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Atlanta Dan
01-20-2011, 04:38 PM
The New York Times sends more love Ben's way, discussing in depth how Ben's pump fakes set up the deep throws - excerpts and link below

The Art of the Pump Fake

There are times when Hines Ward, the Pittsburgh Steelers receiver, finds himself unexpectedly uncovered while running his route. He looks around and sees nothing unusual amid the traffic of a football game, except a safety heading the other way. After 13 seasons in the N.F.L., Ward is still bewildered when it happens.

I’m like, ‘Why is the safety going that way?’ ” Ward said. “Whatever he did, I’m open. Then I look on tape. ‘Oh, Ben pump-faked.’ ” ...

In his seven seasons, Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger has elevated it to an art form, winding up, pretending to throw, pulling his arm back and reloading so often that it looks as if someone is hitting the fast forward and rewind buttons while watching game tape. Roethlisberger uses the pump fake more than any other current quarterback except perhaps Peyton Manning.

There is a soft fake in which Roethlisberger barely raises his arm, a hard fake in which he goes so far into his throwing motion that it is hard to imagine how the ball does not fall out of his hand, and even a fake spike, in which, during a regular-season game against the Jets, he pretended to spike the ball so hard it looked as if it nearly touched the ground, before unleashing a pass.

All of them frustrate defenses, which struggle to figure out which way to run and how fast to get there. And all of them aid Roethlisberger’s propensity for the deep pass, buying a few extra moments for receivers to sprint downfield, and a few extra inches of space in which to catch the ball....

Roethlisberger throws the deep pass more than any of the other quarterbacks the Jets have faced this postseason, with 25 percent of his attempts going for 20 or more yards, according to figures compiled by Football Outsiders. That compares with 19 percent of passes for 20 or more yards for Manning, 15 percent for Drew Brees and 13 percent for Brady. A whopping 38 percent of Roethlisberger’s pass attempts are for at least 10 yards, with the next closest among the four, Brees, at 28 percent.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/21/sports/football/21fake.html?pagewanted=1&ref=sports

Steelboy84
01-20-2011, 04:43 PM
"Roethlisberger throws the deep pass more than any of the other quarterbacks the Jets have faced this postseason, with 25 percent of his attempts going for 20 or more yards"


He over a 120 QB rating doing this......................

fer522
01-20-2011, 04:49 PM
is it sunday yet?
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4xSBChamps
01-20-2011, 05:13 PM
two of the best-ever QB that I recall who regularly used pump-fakes were both Lefthanders, Ken Stabler & Boomer Esiason

wutchy
01-20-2011, 08:00 PM
Rod Woodson knows a little somethin about those pump fakes.
He used to bite on them often.

Pump fakes don't work too well against the Steelers because the Steeler DB's play off and keep it all in front of them. Pump fakes only work then if you try to jump the route, which the steeler CB's don't usually do too much of.

Pump fakes should work against bump and run cover corners like Revis and Cromartie. Cromartie has good make up speed though. Revis keeps a hand on his guy so he doesn't slow until his guy slows. To beat Revis, you just have to run by him, he ain't all that fast. He runs a 4.4 40 with good hamstrings, probably 4.6 right about now with a bad hammy.

FanSince72
01-20-2011, 09:28 PM
I've always said that Ben has the best pump fake in the game.

The reason is big hands.

Most QB's, when they pump fake, have to either bring up their non-throwing hand to act as a backstop to keep from losing the ball or curl their throwing hand under to cradle the ball (like Brady). In either case, they all make subtle body adjustments to allow for this and these become "tells". Good DB's and Safeties can read these tells and know that there's a pump fake coming .

But because of Ben's huge hands, he can fake with his natural throwing motion as if he were really throwing the ball and there's no way to tell he's faking until it's obvious that the ball isn't in the air.

That makes his fakes very effective because they're so "real" that a DB has to pause for a moment to make sure he didn't really throw the ball because from his angle, it looks like he really did and that slight pause is all a receiver needs to gain some separation.

Manning is about the only other QB I can think of who has hands big enough to pull of a good fake but even he doesn't "sell it" like Ben does.

This is just another reason why even though Ben may never have the glitzy numbers that seem to be a prerequisite for "elite" status, he's light years ahead of those who do because he has all of "the little things" figured out and he uses dozens of them in a game and to defenses it's like trying to solve a Rubic's Cube.

Fire Arians
01-20-2011, 10:14 PM
"Roethlisberger throws the deep pass more than any of the other quarterbacks the Jets have faced this postseason, with 25 percent of his attempts going for 20 or more yards"


He over a 120 QB rating doing this......................

AND completes over 60%