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SteelKnight
01-21-2011, 12:31 AM
As a mental break from the Jets game, consider the Free agents available.

http://www.footballsfuture.com/freeagents.html

Which free agents would you like to see the Steelers make a run at (Besides our own)? Jonathan Joseph would be nice.

Do you want Willie Colon back? Everyone was always picking on him and as soon as he went down, the media was saying we lost out best blocker.

Fire Arians
01-21-2011, 12:39 AM
most of the sacks we gave up were from interior linemen, hartwig leading the league and beating the #2 guy by almost twice as much in sacks allowed. I think our o-line was actually good out of the gates this year, but when starks went down, we had problems. resigning colon would be something I'd do. I always thought we were ok at tackles, but our interior linemen were seriously lacking. colon was called our best blocker, well, cause he did do a decent job at it and is still relatively young

SteelKnight
01-21-2011, 12:46 AM
most of the sacks we gave up were from interior linemen, hartwig leading the league and beating the #2 guy by almost twice as much in sacks allowed. I think our o-line was actually good out of the gates this year, but when starks went down, we had problems. resigning colon would be something I'd do. I always thought we were ok at tackles, but our interior linemen were seriously lacking. colon was called our best blocker, well, cause he did do a decent job at it and is still relatively young

I'm not going to lie. I've never been a Colon fan but I have been a supporter of Starks. I keep wondering whether the improvement in our running game has something to do with Flozelle Adams. I do still see him getting beat with pass blocking though.

Will we still be able to run with Colon?

BTW: Before I didn't care but now I do. Willie Gay will be a free agent. Then again, we have to try to break in Buttler and Lewis sometime. Why not at nickel?

Fire Arians
01-21-2011, 12:53 AM
flozell is definitely better at the run blocking, no doubt. but worse at the pass blocking. colon isn't as much of a liability to get beaten by a speed rusher, i suppose both have ups and downs, but flo isn't the long term solution (though i like him, he's old). colon should be serviceable in the running game.

i hope we can keep gay, in today's nfl you need a lot of db depth, so I say re-sign gay and have him battle against lewis and butler. I think butler will see some playing time next year, maybe even win the nickel db spot, he I predict will be one of the steals of the draft. He was money in college and qb's just eventually never threw at him, reason why his stock dropped. but gay, he's a good nickel guy with a lot of years ahead of him, I'd be disappointed if they didn't sign him.

SteelKnight
01-21-2011, 01:05 AM
flozell is definitely better at the run blocking, no doubt. but worse at the pass blocking. colon isn't as much of a liability to get beaten by a speed rusher, i suppose both have ups and downs, but flo isn't the long term solution (though i like him, he's old). colon should be serviceable in the running game.

i hope we can keep gay, in today's nfl you need a lot of db depth, so I say re-sign gay and have him battle against lewis and butler. I think butler will see some playing time next year, maybe even win the nickel db spot, he I predict will be one of the steals of the draft. He was money in college and qb's just eventually never threw at him, reason why his stock dropped. but gay, he's a good nickel guy with a lot of years ahead of him, I'd be disappointed if they didn't sign him.

If Colon sucks at run blocking, we should let him go. I don't know what serviceable means but if our run...especially short run effectiveness drops to 2009 level, that will be a service which gets no tip. If he can match Flozelle in run blocking and do better in pass, then fine. I still have a lot of memories of him getting beat in pass blocking but some of that may have been miscommunication with Coach Z's scheme. He was often totally fooled rather than being overpowered or beat on the outside.

Good point on Gay. It would be nice to get him back but truth be told, I think the nickel is the best way to develop young CBs and if he were to win it again next year, we would not be able to develop Butler and Lewis. I don't think you can just give Butler or Lewis a starting CB spot. Even though Gay might be a better nickel CB then Butler and Lewis in the beginning of the season, allowing them to play might make them better. I wish there was an arena league or Europe where those 2 could play...get coaching techniques then get the chance to practice them.

SteelKnight
01-21-2011, 01:07 AM
I'm tired of having 4 headaches wrt the O-line. I hope we can get Mike Pouncey so it van be cut down to 3 head aches.

BTW. I hope the Jets resign Holmes so the Ravens don't get him. That would annoy the hell out of me.

chitownpit
01-21-2011, 01:14 AM
I say take care of our own, colon is a way up grade from Flo Zo and like earlier
mentioned, you never have enough DB`s so sign Gay as well. Our defensive
scheme is one not quickly taken in by new personal.

Curtain_of_Steel
01-21-2011, 09:43 AM
The problem with the oline aside from the obvious is, 2 to 3 guys are hurt. they may feel it doesn't need fixing if they are back and Pouncey makes them all better anyway. That could be good or bad, lol

On to the list:

Any position we fill, I hope to some extent we take into consideration players who can play special teams.

QB, safe to say we are secure there.

RB, wouldn't mind a power back where I dont have to hold my breath every time we hand the ball off 4 yards deep in the backfield to go 1 yard forward.

Kuhn, wouldn't be bad if we can use the FB position a little more. ST's he is good addition.

WR: Um, no, feeling good there with 3 horses in the stall and Ward having mayne one more year left in his tank.

TE: Nope. al though Zach miller is intriguing to go with a 2 TE set and one side always pulling back than breaking if the pressure goes opposite. but to costly.

K: All depends who can kick at Heinz field, it sure would be nice to have vinateri if he can boot it there, or even longwell.

OL: Need help, a side from Pouncey any of them could be replaced. As long as its not people like Scott. Gonna cost big though.

DL: Eason and HJoke will be resigned, Smithh to some extent could be back. Draft a mountain in the 4th round. We do not need to sign anyone via FA

LB: Do we really even need to list thie here, lol Sign Woodley!!
I would argue their comments that woodley took a step back this year. I do not feel that is the case.

DB: Torn here, but we definately need some help here, pending of course what they do with Taylor, who imo should be back.

Safety: We go as Troy goes with us. All depends on our depth and shelf life and intentions of what we have now.

Matt91
01-21-2011, 10:31 AM
Resign Woodley. Period.

Then let's search some good CB and a Kicker at the Draft, then the Offseason is over

MDSteel15
01-21-2011, 10:57 AM
Resign Woodley. Period.

Then let's search some good CB and a Kicker at the Draft, then the Offseason is over

HUH? I agree we sign Wood...but we don't need to DRAFT a kicker! A CB either in the first or second would be sweet. :popcorn:

Matt91
01-21-2011, 11:02 AM
HUH? I agree we sign Wood...but we don't need to DRAFT a kicker! A CB either in the first or second would be sweet. :popcorn:

In my opinion Suisham made a decent job, but we can't rely on him for the next season, so I'll spend a 4th round pick on a good kicker or spend some money for an experienced one, and also Spulveda conditions should be tested, but if the man is in good conditions I won't replace him

We should also consider the lockout situation...:banging:

fer522
01-21-2011, 11:15 AM
Trai Essex (PIT)
Jonathan Scott (PIT)
Willie Colon (PIT)
there gonna become free agents
should we sign them and add 1 or 2 more bodies
or should we let them go so we can bring in maybe 4 or 5 guys
and try to re do almost the whole line :tt03:

mcg24
01-21-2011, 11:18 AM
there gonna become free agents
should we sign them and add 1 or 2 more bodies
or should we let them go so we can bring in maybe 4 or 5 guys
and try to re do almost the whole line :tt03:

I think we are probably going to draft a tackle in the first round, so that should seal up another O line spot for a long time to come. Maybe sign another lineman and sign a kicker as well. I'd like to see us draft a corner in the second round so we don't have to go to free agency on that one.

Neil-Still-Rules-14
01-21-2011, 11:37 AM
I've been considering whether we should give Kapinos the nod over Sepulveda. I know Sep is a fan favorite and everything, but he really hasn't worked out and Kapinos seems to be getting the job done.

wutchy
01-21-2011, 11:39 AM
I'd cut Aaron Smith and his 5 million dollar a year contract, then sign Ngata and give the 5 mill a year to him.
NOW, THATS AN UPGRADE!

wutchy
01-21-2011, 11:45 AM
I've been considering whether we should give Kapinos the nod over Sepulveda. I know Sep is a fan favorite and everything, but he really hasn't worked out and Kapinos seems to be getting the job done.

Sepulvedas time in the 40 is among the fastest in the league. He can run with the best of them. That speed helps when you have sub-par special teams.
Sepulveda is faster than some kick and punt returners.
Troy runs a 4.0 , Revis runs a 4.38 , Sepulveda runs a 4.43 [just for comparison].
P.S. Ike ran a 4.18 - Even Mike Wallace is nowhere near that fast. 4.28

steeltheone
01-21-2011, 12:53 PM
Sign Mankins OG from the Patriots.

ricksteelers55
01-21-2011, 01:07 PM
I'd cut Aaron Smith and his 5 million dollar a year contract, then sign Ngata and give the 5 mill a year to him.
NOW, THATS AN UPGRADE!

and you think the Ravens wouldnt match it ? Ngata will sign his new contract in the range of 6 years 80 mil with at least 30 mil guaranteed.

SteelKnight
01-21-2011, 02:23 PM
RB, wouldn't mind a power back where I dont have to hold my breath every time we hand the ball off 4 yards deep in the backfield to go 1 yard forward.



K: All depends who can kick at Heinz field, it sure would be nice to have vinateri if he can boot it there, or even longwell.



I really don't want another RB. I'd like to give the ones we have a chance. I'd actually like to see us use Redman a little more and we still haven't seen Dwyer.

I didn't realize Vinatieri was available. Yes. I'd like him. Kickers can go for a while. Before anyone says we can't afford it, keep in mind we were going to pay Reed as a top kicker. The price difference can't be much. We can go without it but I think he might help win a game or two.

SteelKnight
01-21-2011, 02:31 PM
In my opinion Suisham made a decent job, but we can't rely on him for the next season, so I'll spend a 4th round pick on a good kicker or spend some money for an experienced one, and also Spulveda conditions should be tested, but if the man is in good conditions I won't replace him

We should also consider the lockout situation...:banging:

I'm in for drafting a kicker and I've even been insulted for saying 3rd round but I keep trying to explain to these people that the last pick in the 3rd round is really like an early 4th round pick so the other teams who are planning to start selecting kickers in the 4th can't take the 1 or 2 kickers we want. I would want them to get the very best. The only difference between 32nd pick in the 3rd and early 4th is the supplemental picks. Our 4th is like an early 5th.

If we can't get the top 1 or 2 kickers, I think we should just wait to try out UFAs. There is usually a drop off after the top 2 or so each year.

fer522
01-21-2011, 02:38 PM
and you think the Ravens wouldnt match it ? Ngata will sign his new contract in the range of 6 years 80 mil with at least 30 mil guaranteed.


i can pay half of that :chuckle:

SteelKnight
01-21-2011, 02:43 PM
there gonna become free agents
should we sign them and add 1 or 2 more bodies
or should we let them go so we can bring in maybe 4 or 5 guys
and try to re do almost the whole line :tt03:

I want Essex back for sure. I like his versatility and ability to play RG, RT and LT.

J. Scott and W. Colon, I'm not so sure. If it means our run game suffers with Colon, I'd say pass and try to develop someone who can take over for Adams in 2012.


I think we are probably going to draft a tackle in the first round, so that should seal up another O line spot for a long time to come. Maybe sign another lineman and sign a kicker as well. I'd like to see us draft a corner in the second round so we don't have to go to free agency on that one.

I'm not so sure about that. With the 30-32nd pick, all the good tackles may be gone. We may be able to get a quality guard but tackle, ...I'm not so sure. When people get desperate and they start elevating tackles, it can get messy. Look at Vlad Ducasse. He sucks...yet he was rated high. The best ones always go in the top 20. After that there is a drop off.

I'm glad we didn't take Bulaga. He struggled somewhat.

SteelKnight
01-21-2011, 02:55 PM
Sign Mankins OG from the Patriots.

I like it. Place Mankins at LG then draft Mike Pouncey to play RG. That would be a strong middle.

It would weaken the Pats at the same time. Great call.
Can you believe Kemo made more than Mankins?

steeltheone
01-21-2011, 05:00 PM
I like it. Place Mankins at LG then draft Mike Pouncey to play RG. That would be a strong middle.

It would weaken the Pats at the same time. Great call.
Can you believe Kemo made more than Mankins?

The Steelers should have offered a #2 pick for him when he was holding out. I mentioned that in an earlier post.

We have to many holes to fill via the draft. I know that sounds silly being we are in the AFCC. I think this is about as far as we can ride some of these guys as far as age goes.

SteelKnight
01-21-2011, 05:52 PM
The Steelers should have offered a #2 pick for him when he was holding out. I mentioned that in an earlier post.

We have to many holes to fill via the draft. I know that sounds silly being we are in the AFCC. I think this is about as far as we can ride some of these guys as far as age goes.

This is why I want to fill the holes on the O line and secondary quickly while we have all these guys. I want to make a run this year and for 2 more years whie we still have all the guys and Ike, Keisel, Harrison, etc. are still young enough to make the run.

Some people are talking about developing guys 3-4 years away. Sure. We should always have guys on the back burner, but this team is primed right now to make 3 runs if we can fill some gaps. This is why i wanted nmandi. He's expensive...yes...but we could possibly add 2 more SBs with him to get to 9 (if we can win this year). I'll even take old Champ Bailey if he can give us 2 years of solid play.

SteelKnight
01-22-2011, 01:55 AM
Still a break from Jets talk.

I really would like if we did get Mankins. Can you imagine. I would feel bad for Kemo but who cares.

Starks-Mankins-Pouncey-Pouncey-Adams

Solid line.

SteelKnight
01-22-2011, 01:57 AM
Maybe J Joseph is not a possibility.

Bengals LCB Johnathan Joseph, an impending free agent, made it clear that he have would no problem being slapped with the franchise tag in 2011.

"I'd sign it the first day," he said. "Hopefully we can get a deal done before then." The Bengals are expected to experience a lot of roster turnover in 2011 with so many free agents to address. Joseph, the most valuable of the lot, is the rare player who wants to stay with the inept franchise on the heels of another disastrous season.

SH-Rock
01-22-2011, 01:58 AM
Well I don't know if we'll be able to draft Pouncey. If go to the Super Bowl, and hopefully win, we'll be 32nd pick and by that time I believe he'll be gone. But then again, teams my pass him up because of his comments of Steelers winning the Super Bowl. Or maybe he'll play "bad" in the senior bowl.

SteelKnight
01-22-2011, 02:34 AM
Well I don't know if we'll be able to draft Pouncey. If go to the Super Bowl, and hopefully win, we'll be 32nd pick and by that time I believe he'll be gone. But then again, teams my pass him up because of his comments of Steelers winning the Super Bowl. Or maybe he'll play "bad" in the senior bowl.

Yeah...I think he may be gone too. Some are saying second round because he struggled at center but I don't think so. I think his brothers name (success) and same genes will boost him up. He can play guard. I just hope Baltimore doesn't pick him to piss us off.

It will be interesting to see where Mayock ranks him tomorrow (today). He will release his top 5 at each position.

I'd like him because I think his brother can bring him up to speed quickly and they would inspire each other.

pete74
01-22-2011, 03:23 AM
Mankins and Ngata will both be signed to huge contracts by there teams. there is no way either will hit the market. it would be nice to land Joseph but i dont see Cinni letting him go either. we really need a corner and another guard so we can make a run at the super bowl in 2012

Neil-Still-Rules-14
01-22-2011, 03:29 AM
Sepulvedas time in the 40 is among the fastest in the league. He can run with the best of them. That speed helps when you have sub-par special teams.
Sepulveda is faster than some kick and punt returners.
Troy runs a 4.0 , Revis runs a 4.38 , Sepulveda runs a 4.43 [just for comparison].
P.S. Ike ran a 4.18 - Even Mike Wallace is nowhere near that fast. 4.28

Lol there's no way I'm going to grade punters based on their 40 times...you don't hear anybody talking about Ray Guy's 40 time.

SteelKnight
01-22-2011, 11:20 PM
Yeah...I think he may be gone too. Some are saying second round because he struggled at center but I don't think so. I think his brothers name (success) and same genes will boost him up. He can play guard. I just hope Baltimore doesn't pick him to piss us off.

It will be interesting to see where Mayock ranks him tomorrow (today). He will release his top 5 at each position.

I'd like him because I think his brother can bring him up to speed quickly and they would inspire each other.

See damn it. Mayock ranked Pouncey the #1 guard/center. That's it. He will be gone in the top 20.



Guard/center:

1. Mike Pouncey, Florida
2. Stefen Wisniewski, Penn State
3. Danny Watkins, Baylor
4. John Moffitt, Wisconsin
T-5. Rodney Hudson, Florida State
T-5. William Rackley, Lehigh

To see his other picks, check here:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81dd8ff0/article/underclassmen-prevalent-among-top-five-per-position