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mesaSteeler
01-23-2011, 12:18 AM
Starkey: Legacy game for Ben
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/print_719443.html#ixzz1BpgKExBB

By Joe Starkey
PITTSBURGH TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Sunday, January 23, 2011

Let's wrap a fairly uneventful week with a juicy quote and assorted other treats heading into what should be a violent AFC Championship Game ...

Before a few Jets defensive backs popped off about Hines Ward, hardly any of the participants showed a verbal pulse. But a certain ex-Steelers cornerback sure did. Rod Woodson's appraisal of Ben Roethlisberger: "For some reason, not just myself, but people in general ex-players when they talk about elite quarterbacks in this game, Ben's not in the top five."

Really? That misguided perception still exists? Surely the unenlightened will convert if Roethlisberger beats a defense that just humiliated Tom Brady and flummoxed Peyton Manning.

Won't they?

"I think if Ben goes to this Super Bowl and plays well again, like he did against Arizona," Woodson said, "that will solidify who he is as a quarterback."

No doubt this game is critical to Roethlisberger's legacy. Not so much by what he can lose his greatness is well established among rational thinkers but what he can gain. You only get so many kicks at the can, and another Super Bowl ring would give Roethlisberger a realistic chance to achieve his goal of becoming the most decorated quarterback in NFL history. Only Terry Bradshaw and Joe Montana own four Super Bowl rings. Roethlisberger is in great position to win a third. If he doesn't, five will seem unreachable.

Happy birthday, Myron Cope!

I kinda like Joe Namath's perspective on Roethlisberger: "I'd take him on my side any day of the week, any time of the game, against anybody. I don't believe anyone in their right mind who knows football has a negative thing to say about his work on the football field."

Not sure if the Steelers worked on any trick plays this week. Maybe ESPN's Bob Holtzman knows.

Santonio Holmes cannot be serious. He still isn't sure why the Steelers dumped him? He really believes it'll be a "slap back in those guys' face" if the Jets win the Super Bowl?

I guess that's better than throwing a drink in their face.

Incredible. This guy was arrested twice in 49 days after the Steelers drafted him believed to be an NFL record and the team stood by him. He was arrested again, for marijuana possession, in 2008 (charges dropped). The team stood by him. Last March, he was accused of throwing a drink at a woman in a night club, and that was before he incurred a league-imposed four-game suspension. Why would you get rid of a guy like that?

Antonio Cromartie cannot cover Mike Wallace.

Not sure if anyone on the Steelers' roster can cover Braylon Edwards, either. He and Holmes are the Jets' greatest advantage.

An ESPN.com article this week claimed Troy Polamalu "wasn't a huge factor in the win over the Baltimore Ravens" and "curiously was used predominantly in deep coverage." Let us digest that for a moment. Then let us remember that the Ravens, who gained a total of 126 yards, did not complete a pass longer than 16 yards. Let us confirm that their starting receivers Derrick Mason and Anquan Boldin had no catches longer than zero yards. Let's reconsider the notion that Polamalu was not a huge factor.

The man can play center field like Willie Mays when he has to.

The radical difference in the teams' personalities is reflected in their attitude toward the HBO series "Hard Knocks." Jets coach Rex Ryan embraced it like a long-lost friend (or maybe a bag of Cheetos). The Steelers weren't so warm when HBO came calling several years ago.

Bill Cowher, then the coach, recently recalled his response, telling the Trib, "I couldn't say no fast enough." If another invite comes along, Mike Tomlin is liable to say no faster than Cowher. "I have no interest in that at all," Tomlin said. "And I hope (team president) Art Rooney feels the same way." That is a safe assumption.

If the Jets win, their mouths will reopen faster than Wallace on a go-route.

They won't win. The better defense and quarterback will, albeit in a struggle that busts open late with a big defensive play.

Steelers 24, Jets 13.

Joe Starkey can be reached at jraystarkey@gmail.com or .

JackHammer
01-23-2011, 12:33 AM
My favorite part:

An ESPN.com article this week claimed Troy Polamalu "wasn't a huge factor in the win over the Baltimore Ravens" and "curiously was used predominantly in deep coverage." Let us digest that for a moment. Then let us remember that the Ravens, who gained a total of 126 yards, did not complete a pass longer than 16 yards. Let us confirm that their starting receivers Derrick Mason and Anquan Boldin had no catches longer than zero yards. Let's reconsider the notion that Polamalu was not a huge factor.

sharkweek
01-23-2011, 12:47 AM
Hmm, I wonder if he got that predicted score by taking the score of the last matchup, subtracting the 9 defense/ST points from the Jets score and adding the dropped TD to ours...

LVSteelersfan
01-23-2011, 01:22 AM
Here is the matchup of the game. The jedi knight matching wits against Rex the Hut. Just don't get close enough for him to eat you and the game belongs to the Steelers.

http://copper-desert-llc.tripod.com/jedimaster.jpg

Steelboy84
01-23-2011, 02:06 AM
Why does Rod Woodson hate on the steelers so much?

MikeHaullace
01-23-2011, 02:07 AM
Why does Rod Woodson hate on the steelers so much?

Because apparently, they told him he sucks as a WR. :noidea:

ZoneBlitzer
01-23-2011, 03:26 AM
I think to any Steeler fan who has actually WATCHED the games that Ben has played in since his fantastic rookie season, it is pretty clear who Ben is. He is an unbelievable gamer and fierce competitor that just wins period.

Unfortunately the media and league has just completely ignored this story. Ben broke the mold and showed that being a rookie QB is so bad. I watched every game that year and Ben was forced to deliver on several occasions and he did so consistently with his flair for improvisation.

That is what sets Ben apart. He makes great things happen. Now with Ben you got to take the good with the bad as we all know. But still, I find it ridiculous that Rod Woodson would make such a statement because he has already solidified his legitimacy as an elite QB in my book...that is if being elite means winning.

Ben has already made some legendary throws that were it any of the other glamor boys ESPN would have done a 30 for 30 special on it. His throw to Holmes in the SB took dissection to a whole new level as he fit that ball into the tiniest window possible. Then, against the Ravens, he converts a 3rd and 19 when it was absolutely needed. In fact, he has converted many ridiculously long 3rd down situations. All of this while playing behind one of the worst offensive lines in all of football for years along with the guidance of one of football's most feeblest offensive minds.

Some day the media will finally figure it out that they were asleep at the wheel when one of the most unique and all time greats came through the league. You can have your beloved stats Peyton, I'll take a guy who doesn't choke and can get it done.

lionslicer
01-23-2011, 03:37 AM
Rod Woodson doesn't hate the Steelers lol, but he's extremely hard on players. He has very high expectations. I think that sets him apart from other analysts... you know those guys who think Sanchez is one of the top quarterbacks in the game because he had a few good games in the playoffs... please. Woodson slaps them.

The arguement with Ben is the defense and his sloppy play at times. As much as everyone hates Brady and Manning and call them chokers (especially brady as of late) they are amazing Quarterbacks. They have perfect form, footwork, accuracy, etc.

Ben doesn't, neither did Elway. In the 80's and 90's no one considered Elway elite until late in his career and after he retired.. Ben and Elway are great football players, but when it comes to being pure quarterbacks, they aren't top 5 in their eras.

MikeHaullace
01-23-2011, 04:06 AM
Ben doesn't, neither did Elway. In the 80's and 90's no one considered Elway elite until late in his career and after he retired.. Ben and Elway are great football players, but when it comes to being pure quarterbacks, they aren't top 5 in their eras.

I think I'd take a football player that's raw and gritty over a specialist such as Brady, Brees, Manning, and Ryan. 7 days out of the week. Twice on Sunday.

I would hope it's more yinz style too. :tt03:

lionslicer
01-23-2011, 04:20 AM
I think I'd take a football player that's raw and gritty over a specialist such as Brady, Brees, Manning, and Ryan. 7 days out of the week. Twice on Sunday.

I would hope it's more yinz style too. :tt03:

Well I didn't say it was bad in any way, and of course I'd take Ben any day, but when you look at it from an analysts point of view, Ben is far from perfect, and he plays games were its like, is this guy really a pro quarterback? But then he pulls through at the end. While Manning or Brees could play almost flawless games and put a lot of points on the board but lose it in the final minutes of the game.

Just so you know Manning has 32 4th quarterback comebacks (including a record 5 in a row)... He has very good composure, people say he chokes in the post season, but I say teams just step it up against him. He's only human, he has weaknesses that coaches will find.

MikeHaullace
01-23-2011, 04:29 AM
Well I didn't say it was bad in any way, and of course I'd take Ben any day, but when you look at it from an analysts point of view, Ben is far from perfect, and he plays games were its like, is this guy really a pro quarterback? But then he pulls through at the end. While Manning or Brees could play almost flawless games and put a lot of points on the board but lose it in the final minutes of the game.

Just so you know Manning has 32 4th quarterback comebacks (including a record 5 in a row)... He has very good composure, people say he chokes in the post season, but I say teams just step it up against him. He's only human, he has weaknesses that coaches will find.

Nothing new there.

Don't worry. We're eye to eye.