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pittguy578
01-23-2011, 11:51 PM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/john_lopez/01/23/jets.steelers.grades/index.html?eref=sihp

I thought this was his worst game of the season. I think Ben had a "Sanchezesque" game and Sanchez had a Rotherlisbergeresque type of game. I am glad the Steelers won, but I don't think Ben deserves high marks for his performance this game..
Every other game he deserves an A..

JCPsteelers
01-23-2011, 11:53 PM
Ben made some clutch plays but I agree, I thought he was pretty average tonight. I'd give him a B- because he made two big throws at the end.

El Nino
01-23-2011, 11:54 PM
"Great players aren't always great, they're just great when they have to be."

but with that said, I don't think his performance was an "A" by any means. He played well though considering how good the jets secondary is.

pittguy578
01-23-2011, 11:58 PM
Yeah..I thought the performances were reversed..Honestly Sanchez looked more like Ben and vice versa.
Part of it probably had to do with Pouncey's absence.

ZoneBlitzer
01-24-2011, 12:00 AM
As far as throwing goes, this was the worst Ben has looked in years. Personally, I think it's the damn gloves. Thankfully, he'll be without them for the SB.

HAWK
01-24-2011, 01:09 AM
Ben's play brought the W when it mattered. Stop trying to overanalyze everything to death.

Sixburgher
01-24-2011, 01:11 AM
Ben's play brought the W when it mattered. Stop trying to overanalyze everything to death.

His fantasy numbers sucked, and that's all that matters to some.

HAWK
01-24-2011, 01:12 AM
Oh. Well my bad then.

Sixburgher
01-24-2011, 01:17 AM
Oh. Well my bad then.

Oh, I agreed with your initial statement. Ben made a shitload of plays that helped us win tonight, many with his legs. Anyone who couldn't see that is blind. But to some people, it's a "subpar" performance if he doesn't go 25-30, 300+ and at least 3 TDs.

USWSteel
01-24-2011, 01:23 AM
His fantasy numbers sucked, and that's all that matters to some.

I'm worried about his reality numbers... 10 completions and least 4 of those were terrible throws. The last few minutes of the 4th he had - 3 yards passing in the second half. He had key runs but no way do we beat green bay with another performance like that.

Sixburgher
01-24-2011, 01:27 AM
I'm worried about his reality numbers... 10 completions and least 4 of those were terrible throws. The last few minutes of the 4th he had - 3 yards passing in the second half. He had key runs but no way do we beat green bay with another performance like that.

I'll bet. 24-19. How's that for reality? Rodgers didn't exactly light it up and threw two picks himself in Chicago.

Third Rail
01-24-2011, 01:38 AM
A couple things...

The first INT is on Mendenhall. I don't care what anyone says. Ben hit him in the hands and he didn't make the grab. Mendy had a great game otherwise, but that doesn't excuse this f*** up.

Pouncey went out on the first drive. Legursky is not a good replacement, and that fumble/safety was his fault. He chucked the ball out to his left.

Also, regarding that safety, the defense is just as much to blame for the offense. Kudos to them for making the goal-line stand, but if they had stopped the Jets earlier, then they could have kept their offense from being in that shitty situation.

Third Rail
01-24-2011, 01:40 AM
I'll bet. 24-19. How's that for reality? Rodgers didn't exactly light it up and threw two picks himself in Chicago.

THIS. Rodgers is an awesome QB, no doubt, but he has put up plenty of so-so performances this season as well. And today was no exception.

USWSteel
01-24-2011, 01:45 AM
A couple things...

The first INT is on Mendenhall. I don't care what anyone says. Ben hit him in the hands and he didn't make the grab. Mendy had a great game otherwise, but that doesn't excuse this f*** up.

Pouncey went out on the first drive. Legursky is not a good replacement, and that fumble/safety was his fault. He chucked the ball out to his left.

Also, regarding that safety, the defense is just as much to blame for the offense. Kudos to them for making the goal-line stand, but if they had stopped the Jets earlier, then they could have kept their offense from being in that shitty situation.

Unreal your blaming bens fumble for a safety on the defense for making a goal line stop....... I've heard it all now! Seriously what are you smoking?

LVSteelersfan
01-24-2011, 02:03 AM
Do any of the complainers stop to think that the Jets defense had the most to do with the second half? They were phenomenal when they had to be. This was not on Ben. He won the game for the Steelers by moving the ball in the first half and engineering that drive at the end of the game when it counted. It was not a GREAT performance but it was a GOOD performance.

Third Rail
01-24-2011, 02:05 AM
Unreal your blaming bens fumble for a safety on the defense for making a goal line stop....... I've heard it all now! Seriously what are you smoking?

Yes, because it's so goddamned easy to throw or run the ball backed into your f***ing end zone. You're an idiot.

USWSteel
01-24-2011, 02:12 AM
Yes, because it's so goddamned easy to throw or run the ball backed into your f***ing end zone. You're an idiot.

No you are for blaming it on the defense. I guess we can just expect a safety from now on if we get. the ball on the one yard line... you must have a big Ben poster on the ceiling above your bed.

Third Rail
01-24-2011, 02:15 AM
No, I'm just saying that the defense didn't do them any favors there. I'm glad they stopped them from getting the TD but if they hadn't blown it the previous time the Jets went for it on 4th down, then the safety never would have happened.

USWSteel
01-24-2011, 02:19 AM
No, I'm just saying that the defense didn't do them any favors there. I'm glad they stopped them from getting the TD but if they hadn't blown it the previous time the Jets went for it on 4th down, then the safety never would have happened.
Tell that to James Harrison:doh:

ETL
01-24-2011, 02:24 AM
I've gotten on Ben a lot this year mostly for holding the ball too long but this was a GREAT performance tonight. Stop looking at just stats and understand that football is not just about yards and TD passes but also about time of possession and first downs.

He must have run for 3 or 4 first downs on his own. In addition, he converted clutch 3rd downs when needed. He threw a strike to mewelde on one play, and got two key third downs on the final drive to put it away. CLUTCH.

Ben made sure that the botched snap was not recovered by the Jets, something Flacco failed to do last week.
His long pass to Heath should have been ruled a catch and if Mendenhall did not slip, he would have gone into the end zone. But again, the moat important thing that Ben did tonight was move the chains, drain the clock and keep the ball out of the Jets hands. Fantasy football is done, stop looking at stats and watch the actual pulse of the game.

I would submit, this was his best game this year.

USWSteel
01-24-2011, 02:25 AM
:tt:A couple things...

The first INT is on Mendenhall. I don't care what anyone says. Ben hit him in the hands and he didn't make the grab. Mendy had a great game otherwise, but that doesn't excuse this f*** up.

Pouncey went out on the first drive. Legursky is not a good replacement, and that fumble/safety was his fault. He chucked the ball out to his left.

Also, regarding that safety, the defense is just as much to blame for the offense. Kudos to them for making the goal-line stand, but if they had stopped the Jets earlier, then they could have kept their offense from being in that shitty situation.


And as far as Pouncey goes if Ben hits a wide open miller in stride instead of the piss poor throw he makes miller waltzs into the end zone and Pouncey never gets hurt. So using your logic I blame Ben for Pouncey getting hurt!

USWSteel
01-24-2011, 02:38 AM
I've gotten on Ben a lot this year mostly for holding the ball too long but this was a GREAT performance tonight. Stop looking at just stats and understand that football is not just about yards and TD passes but also about time of possession and first downs.

He must have run for 3 or 4 first downs on his own. In addition, he converted clutch 3rd downs when needed. He threw a strike to mewelde on one play, and got two key third downs on the final drive to put it away. CLUTCH.

Ben made sure that the botched snap was not recovered by the Jets, something Flacco failed to do last week.
His long pass to Heath should have been ruled a catch and if Mendenhall did not slip, he would have gone into the end zone. But again, the moat important thing that Ben did tonight was move the chains, drain the clock and keep the ball out of the Jets hands. Fantasy football is done, stop looking at stats and watch the actual pulse of the game.

I would submit, this was his best game this year.

Again ben made a terbible pass on that play to mendy.... he had to turn almost completely around to make the catch. Yeah he slipped that's on him. But if the ball is on the money he's in the endzone. Ben made a lot of plays with his legs no doubt... but 10 completions is joke and half of those were great catches. His last two passes easily could have went the other way. He got a win that's all that counts but overall he looked bad. How much less can we get out of the qb and still win?

pitt0wns
01-24-2011, 03:21 AM
Ben's numbers were low because Mendy was running all over them and that shows with 19 attempts.

He played a great game I think. His stats aren't great cause Mendy was running all over them. Those INT's weren't bad either.

The throw to Mendy wasn't the best but if I remember he had to get it over the line and Mendy should've caught it.

The INT down the field on 3rd and long was just like a punt and Ben knew that. Go downfield and try to get the TD or punt it.

yall are clowns saying Ben played a bad game

DanRooney
01-24-2011, 03:55 AM
Ben gets an A for the first half.

Then proceeds to get a D for the second. I think that averages out to a C+/B-.

zsheik22
01-24-2011, 04:03 AM
No, I'm just saying that the defense didn't do them any favors there. I'm glad they stopped them from getting the TD but if they hadn't blown it the previous time the Jets went for it on 4th down, then the safety never would have happened.




James harrison didnt fumble the snap and Troy Polamalu didnt make a bad one.... The defense had an awesome goal line stop and gave the jets 0 points. You're out of your mind right now.

Rick5895
01-24-2011, 04:38 AM
Ben was shaky ....throwing the ball. But he showed why he is a winner. He showed why, unlike Brady and Manning he can win when he is having a "sub par" game. He can make plays when everything breaks down around him. That is what earns him an A.
The real NFL isn't FFL or Madden, it's what we saw from Ben and the rest of the guys.

plenewken
01-24-2011, 06:48 AM
I think Ben played a good game. Not worth an A by any stretch on the imagination but good game nonetheless, worth a B-, IMO.
He was playing the Jets, not Carolina.
His first pick was not on him at all. The second, 100% on him and there could have been a 3rd when he threw in the end zone late in the 3rd quarter. I'm still wondering who the heck he was trying to throw the ball to. He also fumbled 2 snaps which at this level is awful.
I attribute it to the fact that he was wearing gloves ........... maybe I'm generous here.

caseyviator
01-24-2011, 09:17 AM
Ben's play brought the W when it mattered. Stop trying to overanalyze everything to death.


this is a great post..all these guys always wanna tear ben down....dont u guys get it. without ben we dont win this game or most of the past big games..his 2 ints didnt even matter, one was on 4th down for a 2 yd loss, the other one was a good punt.

we dont win this game without bens intangibles
ben A

plenewken
01-24-2011, 09:22 AM
this is a great post..all these guys always wanna tear ben down....dont u guys get it. without ben we dont win this game or most of the past big games..his 2 ints didnt even matter, one was on 4th down for a 2 yd loss, the other one was a good punt.

we dont win this game without bens intangibles
ben A

Stop it with your "punt". It was 2nd and 11. WTF?
Ben's 3rd down passes to Miller and Brown at the end of the game were great and they definitely sealed the W. Very gutsy calls, especially the pass to Miller cause there wasn't much room to throw the ball.

I asked you this question in another post: Are you Ben's fiancee? Just curious. lol

tube517
01-24-2011, 09:24 AM
10-2 in the playoffs. Enough said.

ETL
01-24-2011, 09:36 AM
Just saying that national media like Mike Greenberg called Ben the "best player on the field" yesterday.

I agree as previously stated. If the goal in the game is to rack up passing yards (a la Peyton manning) then Ben did poorly but it is not surprising that Ben is 10-2 in playoffs and Peyton is .500 and sitting at home.

sharkweek
01-24-2011, 10:55 AM
Listening to Mike & Mike and then First Take 1st and 10 both had nothing but praise for Ben and how he had terrible looking stats but an amazingly well played game. Mike Mike Greenberg (the Jets fan) was convinced Ben was the best player in the game despite his stat line. Skip gave him A, the other guy gave him an A+. The talking heads are starting to realize that even though he doesn't put up gaudy numbers, Ben can make plays to help his team win that no other player can.

The media is finally starting to recognize Ben as an elite QB in his own unique way. Heck, I'm starting to see and hear other QBs being compared to Ben. Some article talked about some of the plays Sanchez made in the second half as "Roethlisberger-esque"

This certainly wasn't his best game, but you have to consider several factors on why it was still a very good performance:

A - the vast majority of his 10 completions were very important, and his last two were as clutch as can be in that they were third down conversions rolling out of the pocket ala vintage Roethlisberger on the game clinching drive.

B - he had several absolute key rushes/scrambles for first downs and of course a TD, including a 3rd and 12.

C - several of his throws and scrambles were classic Ben extending and improvising the play and making something positive happen such as his lateral to Mendenhall where the refs picked up flag thrown for illegal man down field because it was a lateral after a broken pass play - seriously, you can't get much more improvisationally clutch than that.

D - his first interception should have been caught by Mendy but instead Mendy tips it into the waiting hands of a defender (I still contend a there should be an asterisked INT stat category for tipped balls like that)

ETL
01-24-2011, 11:09 AM
The importance of first downs that Ben got cannot be understated. That is why I think Ben played so well yesterday. These first downs are equivalent to avoiding turnovers. They give our defense more rest and keeps the ball out of the Jets offense.

Y'all know how good Aaron smith is but national media can't understand it because he doesn't have the sack numbers. But he blows up running plays like no other lineman. His team mates universally call him the best 3-4 DL.

I know that in that locker room, those Steeler players would not trade Ben for Brady or Mannings stats. They know that Ben handed off when needed and made the clutch plays when needed.

Again, i believe this was his best game this year.

cubanstogie
01-24-2011, 11:34 AM
Yesterday was vintage Ben. The guy can have a bad day throwing then all of a sudden when we need to move the chains he comes through. He has a short memory. You take the good with the bad. Jets D played much better than the Ravens did. They are tough to throw on, thank god we ran successfully yesterday. The second interception was horrible especially considering it was only second down on their 35, if it were 3rd I could care less. Remember the Jets were 13-5, and beat some good teams including us 5 weeks ago. A win is a win. One more is all we ask.

cubanstogie
01-24-2011, 11:38 AM
The importance of first downs that Ben got cannot be understated. That is why I think Ben played so well yesterday. These first downs are equivalent to avoiding turnovers. They give our defense more rest and keeps the ball out of the Jets offense.

Y'all know how good Aaron smith is but national media can't understand it because he doesn't have the sack numbers. But he blows up running plays like no other lineman. His team mates universally call him the best 3-4 DL.

I know that in that locker room, those Steeler players would not trade Ben for Brady or Mannings stats. They know that Ben handed off when needed and made the clutch plays when needed.

Again, i believe this was his best game this year.

Hard to argue your point. He did have some bad throws and decisions but also had some excellent runs and clutch tough throws at the end. Those were not wide open receivers and Ben had to scramble in order for them to get open. Really the second pic and the miss throw to a wide open Miller were his biggest errors IMO. Ben is a tough winner, perfect for the Steelers. Side note, Sanchez may be for real I was impressed with the way they came back. Not happy but impressed

HAWK
01-24-2011, 11:45 AM
I predicted a Steelers-Packers SB. And for the last few weeks I wasn't sure if we could beat them. After seeing the Pack struggle against the Bears mediocre defense (by playoff standards) I now think we can take them. Not to mention that we have the SB experience and not one of their players has ever been close to a SB.

I think it will be close but we'll pull it out in the end. And much of it will have to do with this worthless QB we have under center.

(That was sarcasm in case anyone missed it.)

plenewken
01-24-2011, 11:57 AM
I predicted a Steelers-Packers SB. And for the last few weeks I wasn't sure if we could beat them. After seeing the Pack struggle against the Bears mediocre defense (by playoff standards) I now think we can take them. Not to mention that we have the SB experience and not one of their players has ever been close to a SB.

I think it will be close but we'll pull it out in the end. And much of it will have to do with this worthless QB we have under center.

(That was sarcasm in case anyone missed it.)

The Packers are a dangerous team. We barely beat them last year in Heinz Field. What worries me is Rodgers' mobility. We'll play indoor on carpet which should favor him over Ben. The unknown is his nerves in key games and Ben's mental toughness and experience at this level is definitely a big plus for us.

Advantage Ben & Steelers but it'll be a close game.

LambertIsGod58
01-24-2011, 12:07 PM
Trust me when I say I've been there.....feeling that way about Ben. Putting his off the field issues aside, he finds a way to win games. Bottom line. He's 28 and on his way to his 3rd Super Bowl. He's doing something right.