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lionslicer
01-24-2011, 07:00 PM
Now for anyone who doesn't care, you should. Mannings contract will pretty much be the deal maker or breaker for the negotiations this offseason and if there will be a lock out next season.

Colts said they want more cash flow for the team to build talent. As you can see Mannings contract is so massive its hard to built any talent around him.

The players union is probably the worse thing to ever happen to the NFL, its the reason NFL players get paid way too much. Yeah they deserve a lot of money, but owners are often under presure because if they offer a big time player too low of a contract, it could cause some problems during negotiations with CBA.

I'm sure Colts fans would love if Manning took a huge pay cut, which he'd probably play for very little if he could, but that wont happen.
As NFL fans we should be hoping the Colts offer him some rediculous contract. Goodell has already screwed everything up with the whole 18 game season bit and all the other crap he's pulled this season, but if Manning gets underpaid that would be a major deal breaker.

(note: I don't know if this all is true, but its what I've picked up from NFL network through the years)

TOOLofSTEEL
01-24-2011, 09:13 PM
If he wont sign the biggest contract for a QB in the league. He clearly doesn't want to be in Indy any longer. Or he is planning on taking them to the cleaners.

El Nino
01-24-2011, 09:23 PM
there's always the raiders or redskins who are notorious for overpaying past their prime veterans

steeltheone
01-24-2011, 11:30 PM
Manning is far from past his prime...

lionslicer
01-25-2011, 12:24 AM
there's always the raiders or redskins who are notorious for overpaying past their prime veterans

Raiders do not have the cap for that. Because they over pay players, they have like under 1mil in cap room every year. Manning will require atleast 15-20 mill in cap room. If not more.

But this is all the players unions fault. Cromartie just called them out and said to get their heads out of their asses and stop thinking about the money, players just want to play. If the union didn't exist, I bet you teams would have an average of 30-40 mill in cap room free instead of the average 5-8 mill.

SteelKnight
01-25-2011, 03:18 AM
The players union is probably the worse thing to ever happen to the NFL, its the reason NFL players get paid way too much.

I disagree. The union is what lets the CBA go smoothly once there is an agreement. If there was no CBA players might be pursuing baseball figures. When we hear a player makes 13 million we are stunned but this amount isn't stunning for Baseball or Basketball (albeit more games).

So I don't think players get paid way too much. I do wish there were such a thing as a max cap though (like in Basketball). Maybe we could set it to 9 million and then the negotiations could take place over what percent of the money would be guaranteed. Whoever is willing to guarantee more would get the man.

What Goodell is not telling you is he wants to do the 18 game season but pay the players less (they want to decrease the percentage of the money that goes to the players...the players want to keep it the same). Even if they kept it the same the players would get less per game because each check is divided by the # of regular season games. Players get a small amout for the preseason.

Goodell is trying to say it is the same 20 games but just 2 less preseason games. Nonsense. The Starters don't play fully in those games and they don't start cutting checks from preseason games. The players while against the 18 game season say at least if it will happen they want to be paid extra for those 2 games. In addition, they want more players to a roster (more than 53) to help with injuries. Well you can see, paying them for the extra 2 games costs money and having bigger rosters cost money (more of the money going to players).

I have trouble seeing how they will resolve it exactly. I know they will but who will cave?

ncsteeler
01-25-2011, 04:48 AM
I think he has a better shot in SF, with the talent of that team he could step right in and win.

lionslicer
01-25-2011, 09:06 AM
I disagree. The union is what lets the CBA go smoothly once there is an agreement. If there was no CBA players might be pursuing baseball figures. When we hear a player makes 13 million we are stunned but this amount isn't stunning for Baseball or Basketball (albeit more games).

So I don't think players get paid way too much. I do wish there were such a thing as a max cap though (like in Basketball). Maybe we could set it to 9 million and then the negotiations could take place over what percent of the money would be guaranteed. Whoever is willing to guarantee more would get the man.

What Goodell is not telling you is he wants to do the 18 game season but pay the players less (they want to decrease the percentage of the money that goes to the players...the players want to keep it the same). Even if they kept it the same the players would get less per game because each check is divided by the # of regular season games. Players get a small amout for the preseason.

Goodell is trying to say it is the same 20 games but just 2 less preseason games. Nonsense. The Starters don't play fully in those games and they don't start cutting checks from preseason games. The players while against the 18 game season say at least if it will happen they want to be paid extra for those 2 games. In addition, they want more players to a roster (more than 53) to help with injuries. Well you can see, paying them for the extra 2 games costs money and having bigger rosters cost money (more of the money going to players).

I have trouble seeing how they will resolve it exactly. I know they will but who will cave?

NFL needs a rule on guaranteed money. Players get these rediculous amounts of money just to be on the roster. Thats just a big check handed to them at the begining of the season. Then you have their game checks, which they get regardless whether they play or not.
Obviously injury is unavoidable, but there needs some limitations. I think players base salaries shouldn't be more than a couple million, but the rest of their contracts should be in bonuses. Playing so well, and if they don't meet up to those standards they don't get a full check. At any real job, if you don't work up to the standards you wouldn't get a bonus or raise, why are players so special that they could litterally not dress a single game during the NFL season because of poor play and still make their full salary.

NFL wants a pay cut in players, players union want the minimum wage of players high.

Whats rediculous is players are telling the players union to forget about the pay issues. Players can live with a pay cut. If you raise minimum wage a bit, sure it will help rookies out, but veterans can handle themselves, they are grown men. But the players union wont let it go and if Peyton Manning doesn't get so much money, even if he requests a pay cut, they will shut down the CBA talk.
And its sad because if you know Peyton Manning, you know he loves the Colts and would love nothing more than to have a pay cut.

TRH
01-25-2011, 04:32 PM
Manning is far from past his prime...


plus...lets all face it....he's a "stat-padder". Just because you throw for 5,000 yards or whatever, doesn't, or shouldn't, automatically dictate that you get a salary like what he's asking for (translate....what the greedy agent's looking for)
You can mortage your complete team for one player. I understand he's been there a long time and has padded a lot of stats and so forth, but.........

Sixburgher
01-25-2011, 04:44 PM
Now for anyone who doesn't care, you should. Mannings contract will pretty much be the deal maker or breaker for the negotiations this offseason and if there will be a lock out next season.

How so? The deal maker or breaker is whether the players as a whole will be willing to give back a portion of their almost sixty percent piece of the revenue pie. I doubt they will.

SteelKnight
01-25-2011, 06:02 PM
NFL needs a rule on guaranteed money. Players get these rediculous amounts of money just to be on the roster. Thats just a big check handed to them at the begining of the season. Then you have their game checks, which they get regardless whether they play or not.
Obviously injury is unavoidable, but there needs some limitations. I think players base salaries shouldn't be more than a couple million, but the rest of their contracts should be in bonuses. Playing so well, and if they don't meet up to those standards they don't get a full check. At any real job, if you don't work up to the standards you wouldn't get a bonus or raise, why are players so special that they could litterally not dress a single game during the NFL season because of poor play and still make their full salary.

NFL wants a pay cut in players, players union want the minimum wage of players high.

Whats rediculous is players are telling the players union to forget about the pay issues. Players can live with a pay cut. If you raise minimum wage a bit, sure it will help rookies out, but veterans can handle themselves, they are grown men. But the players union wont let it go and if Peyton Manning doesn't get so much money, even if he requests a pay cut, they will shut down the CBA talk.
And its sad because if you know Peyton Manning, you know he loves the Colts and would love nothing more than to have a pay cut.

In Baseball and Basketball the entire contract is guaranteed. I don't feel sorry for teams. If they want they can just release a player and not pay him yet a player can't decide he want to play for a different team and leave. This is why players have to get a high signing bonus to try to convince the team not to cut them because of the cap hit. It is so silly. If contracts were guaranteed, players might be willing to take a little less and have smaller signing bonuses.

I think there should be a
-Rookie salary structure
-Cap on maximum salary (like the NBA does) and I think it should be around 9 million. The players making that much can make more money from endorsements.

I don't like the pay based on production. That's fine for bonuses but you want players doing what they can for the team, not worried about getting injured and losing bonus money of focusing on bonus money stats.