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mesaSteeler
01-24-2011, 07:11 PM
n huge games, think big ... Big Ben

By Clark Judge
CBSSports.com Senior Writer
Jan. 24, 2011Tell Clark your opinion!

PITTSBURGH -- Aaron Rodgers is the quarterback people love, but when it comes to big games Ben Roethlisberger is the quarterback they should trust.

You heard me. Love Rodgers; trust Roethlisberger. With Roethlisberger and the Pittsburgh Steelers headed to the mother of all big games -- their third Super Bowl in six seasons -- I want a seat on the Big Ben Bandwagon.

The reason: He doesn't lose. Yep, simple as that. He's 2-0 in Super Bowls, and I don't give a rip that his defense carried him the first time. It doesn't matter. He won. Everyone else lost. End of story.

Roethlisberger is one of the most reliable playoff quarterbacks out there, and Sunday's 24-19 defeat of the New York Jets was more evidence. He didn't produce big numbers; he just produced big plays, and isn't that how it usually works? He converted that third-and-19 pass last weekend against Baltimore. He made the last-minute TD pass to Santonio Holmes in Super Bowl XLII. Now this.

I take you back to Pittsburgh's last series, with the Steelers desperate to close out a suddenly revitalized Jets club in the midst of a 19-point run. Nearly three minutes remained, and the Jets had three timeouts -- which, naturally, meant Pittsburgh had to gain at least one first down, maybe two.

So now the question: How? I mean, if you throw the ball you risk an in-completion, killing the clock and cutting your opponent a break. But if you play it safe, you force the Jets to use timeouts -- and with New York stacked against the run you may not gain the necessary yards.

So the Steelers did what they always do: They put their faith in Roethlisberger. On a critical second-and-9, he rolled right and threw a strike to tight end Heath Miller. Then, three plays later, on third-and-6 he rolled right again, scrambled toward the sidelines and launched a hurried pass in what appeared to be an attempt to get rid of the ball to avoid a sack.

Only he completed the pass. And he completed it to rookie Antonio Brown, the same guy who burned Baltimore for that 58-yard bomb last weekend. Afterward, Jets coach Rex Ryan said he was "shocked" the Steelers didn't run -- calling them "gutsy plays" -- but that's not how the Steelers and their quarterback operate.

"We weren't going to play not to lose," winning coach Mike Tomlin said.

OK, I get that. But I get it more when I see who's quarterbacking the Steelers. It's Big Play Ben, and this is his time of the year. He's not always sharp, and, yeah, he can make mistakes, but not when it's crunch time -- which is why the Pittsburgh Steelers are the toughest of all outs. Once it was New England, but the Patriots lost their last three playoff appearances. Now it's Pittsburgh. The Steelers are on a five-game playoff roll, and I suggest it's not just because of that suffocating defense; it's because they have a quarterback who knows what to do and how to do it when he gets this far.

Let the record show that Roethlisberger is 10-2 in playoff games and 5-1 in conference championships and Super Bowls, and that tells me one thing: I want him on my side. Look, I don't want to get into a debate of what happened to Roethlisberger last offseason or why anyone should wear his jersey or anything like that. I'm just saying that when a game begins, and that game involves a ring, I'll choose Roethlisberger.

Because I know I probably won't lose.

"Ben matters," wide receiver Hines Ward said. "He does things unorthodox, and a lot of people call it backyard football. But he's a great quarterback. You have to tip your hat to our defense, too. They're the reason we're here. Ben's going to get the credit because he's a quarterback, but he's a helluva quarterback because he's a winner.

"What do you judge quarterbacks on? Wins and losses. I don't know why he's not compared to others [like Tom Brady and Peyton Manning]. A passer rating is just a stat. The main stat in our business is wins and losses and Super Bowls.

"He's a winner, and that's what I love about him. I wouldn't trade him for anyone. I know I have a chance to win almost every game I'm in because of him being in there. And we know we have a great chance to win ballgames because of the plays he makes.

"For all the people out there who say he's not this or he's not that, you can't knock his record. You can't knock what he's done or his win percentage. We love him here in Pittsburgh. He's a winner, and I'm glad we have him."

Roethlisberger wasn't accurate with some of his passes, had two interceptions and fumbled a snap in the end zone. But look what happens when a game's outcome is in doubt and time is an issue. Look what happens when the Steelers absolutely, positively must make a play.

He makes it.

He made it last week on the Steelers' game-winning drive. In fact, he made it twice, with two third-down conversions. And he made it again Sunday, with two passes that won't win style points but won an AFC championship instead.

"I expect for [the coaching staff to let me throw] and hope for them to do that," he said. "I want the football in my hands to try and make a play late. Really, my job is only a small part of what we have to do. The line has to block. I just have to throw the ball. Those guys catch it."

Sounds simple. And with Roethlisberger it is.

"He's a special player," Miller said. "He does it time and time again for us. He has to be mentioned with the top quarterbacks in the league."

Only he's usually not. It's Brady and Manning at the top, followed by Drew Brees and Philip Rivers and, now, Aaron Rodgers. But Manning and Brees have two Super Bowls between them. Roethlisberger is looking for his third, which -- if he makes it -- ties him with Brady. That should tell you something, and what it tells me is that when I need someone I can trust I turn to Roethlisberger.

Yeah, I know, the Steelers buried the Jets with a first-half rushing attack that featured Rashard Mendenhall, but look who was right there with him. Uh-huh, that man Roethlisberger. On the Steelers' opening drive he led his team on a 16-play march that consumed over nine minutes -- with the Steelers converting three third downs. None was more difficult than a third-and-12 at the Jets' 25, with Roethlisberger flushing the pocket, scrambling up the middle and not stopping until he covered 13 yards.

He ran for two other first downs and produced a touchdown on a third scramble -- and he did it behind a backup center the last 3 quarters. In short, he made the plays that needed to be made, which is why Roethlisberger is the quarterback you should trust two weeks from now. He's not as popular as Rodgers, nor does he have the passer rating or the yards passing the Green Bay quarterback does.

But he has the rings.

The Jets beat Manning in Indianapolis. They beat Brady in New England. But they couldn't beat Roethlisberger in Pittsburgh. Draw your own conclusions. I already have.

"People can say what they want," Ward said. "The guy won two Super Bowls, has a chance to win three and played in four AFC Championship Games. What more do you want out of your quarterback? You look at his win percentage, and he's right up there with Brady. I don't see why he shouldn't be mentioned right up there.

"I don't think Ben needs to have that recognition. He knows what he means to our team. We know. And I think our organization knows what he means which is why it gave him the big contract. He had some off-the-field issues, but he did some time, came back and he's a changed man. And he's still playing some good football."

No, he's still playing some great football, which is why I trust Ben Roethlisberger now more than ever.

SH-Rock
01-24-2011, 07:15 PM
"You keeping looking at stats, we'll keep trying to get wins"- Raheem Morris
I think this perfectly exemplifies Big Ben and today's Steelers.

El Nino
01-24-2011, 07:28 PM
Ben is the best qb in the league, and he will prove it once his career is over. Can he be the first to win 5? who the hell knows, I'd like to see that though lol.

wutchy
01-24-2011, 07:29 PM
Key words. - Ben Rolled right. Rolled being the exact key word.

Ben sucks or gets lucky as a pocket passer. On a waggle or roll, he is Elwayesque.

The fact of the matter is that Ben "needs time" - and lots of it, to throw the ball. Rolls and waggles give him time.

Rodgers is more of a "timing pocket passer" who throws darts. His recievers treat every route like a hot route. Rodgers takes the snap, drops back, sets up, and throws.

Ben drops back and pumps and pumps and pumps. Or scrambles to buy time.

Do that shi* by design!!!

El Nino
01-24-2011, 07:31 PM
ben > elway by a long shot

wutchy
01-24-2011, 07:33 PM
Ben is the best qb in the league, and he will prove it once his career is over. Can he be the first to win 5? who the hell knows, I'd like to see that though lol.

Brady, Manning, Brees, and Rivers are better QB's. Ben has the leagues best defense to help him win because he can't get points on the board. Ben numbers and stats are comparable to Eli Manning and Joe Flacco. But Eli doesn't have the defense Ben has. Flacco does, thus you have two evenly matched teams in Baltimore and Pittsburgh, with most games decided by a few points. And i think Ben has yet to beat Eli.

The defense makes Ben look good, and LeBeau makes Tomlin look good.

Bradshaw won 4 super bowls, but nobody ever said Bradshaw was the best. Bradshaw was better than Ben for my money. At least he was a pocket passer - and he could scramble too.

El Nino
01-24-2011, 07:38 PM
Brady, Manning, Brees, and Rivers are better QB's. Ben has the leagues best defense to help him win because he can't get points on the board. Ben numbers and stats are comparable to Eli Manning. But Eli doesn't have the defense Ben has.

The defense makes Ben look good, and LeBeau makes Tomlin look good.

Bradshaw won 4 super bowls, but nobody ever said Bradshaw was the best. Bradshaw was better than Ben for my money. At least he was a pocket passer - and he could scramble too.

statistically brady, manning, brees, and rivers are better, yes. But can any of those players play behind our offensive line? manning doesn't like to get hit, and we all saw how inaccurate brady was when he had defenders in his face. Ben is the best fit for our team, he's capable of playing with subpar protection.

wutchy
01-24-2011, 07:40 PM
ben > elway by a long shot

Yeah, and my wife is the most beautiful girl in the world. Better than Pam Anderson by a long shot.

El Nino
01-24-2011, 07:40 PM
Yeah, and my wife is the most beautiful girl in the world. Better than Pam Anderson by a long shot.

look at elway's stats, he was garbage until terrell davis was drafted

wutchy
01-24-2011, 07:42 PM
statistically brady, manning, brees, and rivers are better, yes. But can any of those players play behind our offensive line? manning doesn't like to get hit, and we all saw how inaccurate brady was when he had defenders in his face. Ben is the best fit for our team, he's capable of playing with subpar protection.

You try to credit Ben with wins, and don't factor in defense. Ben couldn't get us to the playoffs with a lesser defense.

wutchy
01-24-2011, 07:44 PM
look at elway's stats, he was garbage until terrell davis was drafted

True. I was NOT an Elway fan. He was over rated. But he never had a great defense, and still got to 5 super bowls. Why, he could roll out abd beat you with his feet, or buy time. He had Shannon Sharpe though, and that was just as important as Ben having Hines Ward.
He didn't win until Terrell Davis showed up and put them ovewr the hump. But Elway got the love.

El Nino
01-24-2011, 07:49 PM
You try to credit Ben with wins, and don't factor in defense. Ben couldn't get us to the playoffs with a lesser defense.

Ben deserves some credit, a lot of it. With Neil O'Donnell we couldn't win the sb. With Kordell Stewart and Maddox couldn't get us there. All their teams had great defenses and running games behind them. It's true Ben has a great defense behind him, but so did those other 3 QB's, and Ben was the only one who won us championships. 2 to boot with a chance to win a 3rd.

A lot of it is because of Ben. I'm not saying he deserves ALL the credit, he does have a team of 53 men who are all responsible, but he's done a hell of a job. If he wins his #3 he will get the respect of the greats who played this game.

Aussie Steeler
01-24-2011, 07:54 PM
Brady, Manning, Brees, and Rivers are better QB's. Ben has the leagues best defense to help him win because he can't get points on the board. Ben numbers and stats are comparable to Eli Manning and Joe Flacco. But Eli doesn't have the defense Ben has. Flacco does, thus you have two evenly matched teams in Baltimore and Pittsburgh, with most games decided by a few points. And i think Ben has yet to beat Eli.

The defense makes Ben look good, and LeBeau makes Tomlin look good.

Bradshaw won 4 super bowls, but nobody ever said Bradshaw was the best. Bradshaw was better than Ben for my money. At least he was a pocket passer - and he could scramble too.

Have a look at the Steelers' O-line. Now compare that to Brady, Manning, Brees, Rivers, Eli and Flacco. Stats don't show the whole picture, evident in the last game against Jets.

And how can you say Ben can't put points on the board? When Ben gets free reign to pass first, he absolutely tears up secondaries - time and time again.

SteelCityMom
01-24-2011, 07:59 PM
. Ben numbers and stats are comparable to Eli Manning and Joe Flacco. But Eli doesn't have the defense Ben has. Flacco does, thus you have two evenly matched teams in Baltimore and Pittsburgh, with most games decided by a few points. And i think Ben has yet to beat Eli.

Did you just compare Ben's stats to Eli and Flacco stats? Do you even know their stats? Flacco is getting better, but Eli has never become more than average. And their passing stats have little to nothing to do with their defenses.

LukesDad88
01-24-2011, 10:07 PM
Ben has a higher career passer rating than Montana, Marino, Favre, and Brees. He is within spitting distance of Brady and Manning. There is nobody above him that has more rings than Brady. He made plays necessary to beat the team that stymied both Brady and Manning. He has been in the league 7 years, and has led them to the AFCCG 4 times. He's played in the AFCCG more years than he hasn't since entering the league.

caseyviator
01-25-2011, 10:11 AM
Ben has a higher career passer rating than Montana, Marino, Favre, and Brees. He is within spitting distance of Brady and Manning. There is nobody above him that has more rings than Brady. He made plays necessary to beat the team that stymied both Brady and Manning. He has been in the league 7 years, and has led them to the AFCCG 4 times. He's played in the AFCCG more years than he hasn't since entering the league.

BEN IS FIRST alltime in yards/pass attempt
ben is first alltime in yards/pass completion

all time!!!!!!! what this shows is ben is no dink n dunk westcoast offense 5 yard crossing routs...
ben my friends,, he throws the ball down the field !!!!!!! he throws better than any qb in history down the field according to stats of all things!! that is better than montana, bradshaw, marino, unitas, elway,manning,brady,fouts,stalbach, farve, or anyoneelse!! if you go by the stats...see ben is great by stats or being a winner ,,either or, hes still sumthin that comes around once a generation or 2 or 3.....as well as other stats mentioned above, i have to wonder what are sum of these people watching if they dont think ben is one of the alltime great qbs already and is the current best qb playing rite now!!! yes yes better than the god like brady and manning as well as the qbs that have no business in the same discusiion as ben such as rivers and rodgers.

just check bens stats vs eli manning and flacco r u kidding me did u even look at them, not even the same league as ben.

FanSince72
01-25-2011, 11:36 AM
The way I feel about Ben is like this:

In the AFCC game, after the last TD by the Jets, they lined up to kick off with 3:06 left in the game and all three timeouts.

Phil Simms mentioned that the Steelers were lined up anticipating an onside kick, but dismissed the idea saying that the Jets should just kick it off normally and use their timeouts and the two-minute-warning to get the ball back.

At that point I thought to myself: "Big mistake!"

You simply do not give Ben the ball with 3:06 left and expect to get the ball back because Ben will find a way to keep getting first downs and force you to run the clock out because Ben gets it done when he has to!

Period!

Guys like Simms think in terms of running and then punting and then playing defense and he even suggested as much when it was 3rd and 6 with 2:00 left.
But Ben isn't Phil Simms (thank God) and he's not afraid to throw the ball in critical situations if necessary and more importantly, Tomlin isn't afraid to let him because he knows that Ben gets it done when he has to!

End result?

Ben got it done...


AGAIN.

When I talk about the great Terry Bradshaw teams of the 70's, I always say that Terry was the kind of QB that if the Steelers were trailing 31-10 at the end of the 3rd Quarter and you turned the game off, you'd pick up the paper the next day and read that they won 35-31.

That's the way it was with Bradshaw and that's the way I feel about Ben; he's the "Terry Bradshaw" of our time.

El Nino
01-25-2011, 11:53 AM
The way I feel about Ben is like this:

In the AFCC game, after the last TD by the Jets, they lined up to kick off with 3:06 left in the game and all three timeouts.

Phil Simms mentioned that the Steelers were lined up anticipating an onside kick, but dismissed the idea saying that the Jets should just kick it off normally and use their timeouts and the two-minute-warning to get the ball back.

At that point I thought to myself: "Big mistake!"

You simply do not give Ben the ball with 3:06 left and expect to get the ball back because Ben will find a way to keep getting first downs and force you to run the clock out because Ben gets it done when he has to!

Period!

Guys like Simms think in terms of running and then punting and then playing defense and he even suggested as much when it was 3rd and 6 with 2:00 left.
But Ben isn't Phil Simms (thank God) and he's not afraid to throw the ball in critical situations if necessary and more importantly, Tomlin isn't afraid to let him because he knows that Ben gets it done when he has to!

End result?

Ben got it done...


AGAIN.

When I talk about the great Terry Bradshaw teams of the 70's, I always say that Terry was the kind of QB that if the Steelers were trailing 31-10 at the end of the 3rd Quarter and you turned the game off, you'd pick up the paper the next day and read that they won 35-31.

That's the way it was with Bradshaw and that's the way I feel about Ben; he's the "Terry Bradshaw" of our time.

but.. but.. but.. REVIS!!!!!

lol sorry i had to say that.

OX1947
01-25-2011, 12:42 PM
Some of you need to wait 13 more days before you write this stuff. He needs to win the 3rd one. 2-1 to me doesnt look good in Super Bowls. 3-0 does.

Third Rail
01-25-2011, 01:03 PM
Hold your horses, everyone. Ben hasn't proven himself to be a big time quarterback yet because Gary Coleman Douchebag Guy on the Fever Forums says he sucks.

El Nino
01-25-2011, 01:10 PM
Hold your horses, everyone. Ben hasn't proven himself to be a big time quarterback yet because Gary Coleman Douchebag Guy on the Fever Forums says he sucks.


ben does suck. :chuckle:

http://www.steelersfever.com/forums/showthread.php?p=886165

tanda10506
01-25-2011, 01:13 PM
Brady, Manning, Brees, and Rivers are better QB's. Ben has the leagues best defense to help him win because he can't get points on the board. Ben numbers and stats are comparable to Eli Manning and Joe Flacco. But Eli doesn't have the defense Ben has. Flacco does, thus you have two evenly matched teams in Baltimore and Pittsburgh, with most games decided by a few points. And i think Ben has yet to beat Eli.

The defense makes Ben look good, and LeBeau makes Tomlin look good.

Bradshaw won 4 super bowls, but nobody ever said Bradshaw was the best. Bradshaw was better than Ben for my money. At least he was a pocket passer - and he could scramble too.

I usually don't call people out, but you should go join a Patriots forum or something!! Everytime I see one of your posts it's negative and/or anti-Steelers, anti-Big Ben, anti-Steeler dominance. It's ridiculous. Ben has yet to beat Eli??? What a stooge you are?? What games are you watching?? I know everybody else is going to hate on the Steelers and going to hate on Ben, but for us to do it is stupid. I'm not saying he's #1 but that's borderline disrespectful to say he hasn't past Eli. Don't misunderstand me, I'm not angry over this specific incident, I'm absolutely tired of the BS you flood this forum with and your anti-Steeler attitude.

Third Rail
01-25-2011, 01:31 PM
ben does suck. :chuckle:

http://www.steelersfever.com/forums/showthread.php?p=886165

LOL :chuckle:

SteelCityMom
01-25-2011, 01:53 PM
Some of you need to wait 13 more days before you write this stuff. He needs to win the 3rd one. 2-1 to me doesnt look good in Super Bowls. 3-0 does.

Yeah...being in 3 Superbowls and only getting 2 rings totally sucks. Just ask Kurt Warner. :chuckle: