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mesaSteeler
02-02-2011, 06:21 AM
Who are current Steelers HOFers?
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Wednesday, February 02, 2011 12:30 AM
Written by Bob Smizik
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If the Steelers win their third Super Bowl in six years Sunday by beating the Green Bay Packers, there will be legitimate talk of the team being a dynasty.

A dynasty, of course, must have Hall of Famers. The Steelers 1970s dynasty, four championships in six years, has nine Hall of Famers. On defense there was Joe Greene, Jack Ham, Mel Blount and Jack Lambert. On offense there was Terry Bradshaw, Franco Harris, Mike Webster, John Stallworth and Lynn Swann.

What a team! As good as the current Steelers team is, it could never match the Chuck Noll dynasty in terms of Hall of Fame players.

Or could it? You never know!

After the 1970s Steelers won their first two Super Bowls, its hard to imagine anyone was measuring most of those guys for Hall of Fame rings. They were in the early stages of their careers. Greene had established his greatness, but the others, for the most part, had a way to go.

Bradshaw, for example, had thrown 66 touchdowns and 90 interceptions and never passed for more than 2,300 yards by the time the Steelers won their second Super Bowl. Swann had a grand total of 50 career receptions. Lambert had one Pro Bowl on his resume.

Which means its altogether possible that in addition to the near-certain Hall of Famers on the current roster, there also are players who will become HOF great as their careers evolve.

One word of caution before we explore the candidacies of the current Steelers. Theres no accounting for the Hall of Fame process. The fact Dermontti Dawson has been passed over for five years is proof the system has flaws. Cris Carter, third all-time in receptions, is still waiting after three years on the ballot.

Locks

Hines Ward: Hes already eighth all-time in receptions. Hes a Super Bowl MVP, a blocker of legendary skill and toughness and cited by at least one publication as the greatest slot receiver in NFL history. It might take a while, but Ward will get in.

Troy Polamalu: Hes the current Defensive Player of the Year and is regarded as one of the great safeties of the current era. Hes a big-play specialist who has more productive years ahead. A lock.

Ben Roethlisberger: His greatness might take a while to sink in with some, but voters love Super Bowl winners and he already has two and figures to add more. A lock.

Need to bolster their resumes

James Harrison: Hes won a Defensive Player of the Year award and is the man who pulled off what is arguably the greatest play in Super Bowl history. His reputation for fearsome play is growing and hell soon enough live down the fines he took this season. His HOF resume is off to a good start and there's no reason to believe it wont grow considerably. Being a leader on a legendary defense will help. So will his rags-to-riches success story.

Maurkice Pouncey: Dont laugh. Hes just a rookie but already an All-Pro and a Pro Bowl choice. Im guessing people would have laughed if Webster had been mentioned as a future Hall of Famer when he was doing nothing more than sharing the starting center job as a Steelers rookie.

Mike Wallace: As with Pouncey, a long, long way to go. But he has game-breaking ability and a Hall of Fame quarterback throwing to him. He cant be ruled out.

LaMarr Woodley: As far as production at an early age, hes ahead of Harrison. He has to continue to put up big seasons, but hes off to a good start.

Lawrence Timmons: Hes playing in the shadow of Harrison and Woodley, but he is mastering the Steelers defense and with his superlative athleticism could become a regular Pro Bowl player.

Rashard Mendenhall: He has posted consecutive 1,000-yards seasons -- 1,108 and 1,273 -- running behind a suspect line. Hell have to continue this pace for a number of seasons, but whos to say he wont.

This is not to suggest all of these players will make the Hall of Fame. But they could. If some of their candidacies sound far-fetched today, they are less so than those of Bradshaw, Swann Stallworth were after they were two-time Super Bowl champs.

steelerchad
02-02-2011, 08:07 AM
Hines- I wouldn't consider Hines a lock. Although I think a win in this Super Bowl gets him over the top. I think he should get in, but when you consider receivers like Cris Carter aren't in yet and he will be competing against guys like TO, Randy Moss, Marvin Harrison in 5 years to get a spot he may fall short on some votes. Only 5 players get in each year and receiving stats in the last 10 years have sky rocketed as the game has changed. I'd rather have Hines the last 10 years than almost anybody because of all he can do, but voters will really just be looking at stats and Hines doesn't have the stats that some other guys have.

Ben- 3rd ring will make him a lock. Ability to just win games and come from behind in big spots is almost legendary. stats aren't there, but he is much better than most give him credit for. His passer rating has been top 5 for in the league 5 of his first 7 years. With a SB win he's a lock.

Troy- 3 more years of consistent ball and he's a lock as well. If he retires earlier than this he may have trouble.

Pouncey and Wallace are way to early to tell. Once Ben's gone these guys will only be at the mid point in their careers. If we don't find another franchise QB, they may be on bad to mediocre teams and get lost in the shuffle. Way to early to tell, but the potential is ther for both of these guys.

Timmons and Woodley- They both have a chance. But to me both are behind pace and would need to become dominant at their positions soon. I would equate these guys to Kirkland, Lloyd, and Greene. All great Steeler linebackers, but short of the HOF.

Harrison- Virtually no shot. He was just too old when he finally got his chance. His 4 year stats over the course of a 10 year career would have been enough. But the dropoff for his is coming soon as he's already 32 and can't possibly play at this level for 5 or 6 more years. He's probably not even a Steeler in 2 years.

Mendy- Doubtful.

4xSBChamps
02-02-2011, 08:49 AM
I think only 4 current Steelers - Ward, Polamalu, Roethlisberger, and Harrison - are worthy of serious discussion for the HoF:
the other players mentioned simply haven't played long-enough, at a high level of play, to be included yet

WARD - hard to determine, in this day of over-inflated numbers of receptions, yards, TD, etc., but it is obvious that his physical style & selfless play would work in any era of the League, from 1940 through today:
will the sportswriters over-look his numbers, and at his body-of-work (ESPN-lingo)

POLAMALU - with every passing game, his assurance of enshrinement at Canton becomes more obvious, and the 2010 DPoY award only enhances his stature as an all-time play-maker:
his humble style of the field, and rare combination of speed, strength, and smarts between the lines makes it easy to vote for him

ROETHILSBERGER - like Ward, his numbers will never lead the League, and his style is 180* diametrically-opposed to the proto-typical classic drop-back QB (Brady, Manning, etc.), but he is getting results (wins & Championships) despite his lack of grace:
those who vote will have-to look beyond his lack of records, and his off-field problems

HARRISON - I think he has a slim chance at being voted into the HoF, simply because he didn't become a starter until he was almost 30 years old, and his style probably won't allow him to continue at this torrid pace for another 5 years (I believe he is currently 32?):
his relatively 'short' career, combined with Ms. Goodell making him the poster-child for the pu$$ification of the game, will work against him in the eyes of voters, yet he is one of the most prolific game-changers of his era

Buddha Bus
02-02-2011, 08:57 AM
In addition to Ward, Roetlisberger and Polamalu, I think Casey Hampton could have a shot at the HOF. He's been a Pro-Bowler 5 times in his career and been the anchor for our D-line for several years. He's got at least a shot at it.

MDSteel15
02-02-2011, 10:18 AM
Harrison would have to play at least 5 more years and be just as productive as he is now to even get a sniff!

MaineSteelerFan
02-02-2011, 11:16 AM
I disagree with you on the number thing. 7 years with over 22k passing yards, 144 TD's, QB rating of 92.5 and comp. % of 63.1 is not bad for 7 years in the NFL. He's not going to be breaking any records but 4-5 more seasons he will have the stats he needs for the Hall.

OX1947
02-02-2011, 11:32 AM
To me, numbers should never tell the whole story. It should have some but not all. Hines Ward has all the Steeler receiving records with half his career in a predominantly run oriented offense. He is also a unique player. A revolutionary player. I think if Hines Ward wins Sunday, he will be a Hall of Famer. First ballet, maybe, but he would have to win another Super Bowl MVP for that.

Troy is a first ballot if they win Sunday. He may be now either way but the 3rd Super Bowl seals it. I have never seen a player like him and he is by far the best Strong Safety I have ever seen.

Big Ben, no doubt, 3rd super bowl and a starting Qb, one of those super bowl's having a game winning drive. He will be in.

James Harrison would have to get 100 sacks and get 3 or 4 more pro bowls. He is a long shot, but if he plays at a high level for another 5 years, he may get close.

4xSBChamps
02-02-2011, 11:44 AM
ROETHILSBERGER - like Ward, his numbers will never lead the League, and his style is 180* diametrically-opposed to the proto-typical classic drop-back QB (Brady, Manning, etc.), but he is getting results (wins & Championships) despite his lack of grace:
those who vote will have-to look beyond his lack of records, and his off-field problems
I disagree with you on the number thing. 7 years with over 22k passing yards, 144 TD's, QB rating of 92.5 and comp. % of 63.1 is not bad for 7 years in the NFL. He's not going to be breaking any records but 4-5 more seasons he will have the stats he needs for the Hall.

my concern about Roethlisberger getting into the HoF isn't based-on his numbers nor his accomplishments, but based upon those who vote on joining that elite group:
his statistics are good-enough, and his ability to continually produce in the clutch makes it a no-brainer, but human-beings VOTE on it

The people who will be voting in 10-15 years are those who speak, write, and blog about the NFL today, many of whom don't think he should be mentioned when discussing today's Top 5 QB in the League:
these people are fantasy-football / stat-geeks

yesterday on this very site, we discussed a punktoid Philthadelphian blogger, who says that 'McNabb, Rivers, and Romo would've won Super Bowls with the current Steeler teams':
2 weeks ago, we were deluged with the national media telling us how Sanchez was a better QB than Pittsburgh's, and this week we hear the same about Rodgers, despite the fact that Roethlisberger has won as-many League Championships as Rodgers has won playoff games

when these 'read-it-in-a-magazine', 'saw-it-on youtube' know-it-somes are in position to determine who does, and doesn't, enter Canton, Roethlisberger may-be at a disadvantage
:drink:

Need4spd
02-02-2011, 12:35 PM
Ben will be a virtual lock, and in time Hines will be too. Unfortunately, and I think this is very unfortunate from a historical perspective relative to football, Harrison's career will wind up being too short. I don't think there is any question that in a short time span he could be considered an all time great. He has been extremely productive since becoming a starter. Longevity is part of the total equation though, and as someone above mentioned, the cold hard fact is that he will probably not even be a Steeler in a couple years.

Casey Hampton is the player we are overlooking here. He has been the cog of this great defense for years. Players at the nose tackle position are sometimes overlooked because they don't put up gawdy stats, but they are crucial to the success of any 3-4 defense. He has been consistently great for quite a few years now. Let's not underestimate the importance of Super Bowl rings play in Hall of Fame voting as well.

DrunkFlea
02-02-2011, 12:54 PM
Someone I'd love to see get a shot at the hall who never gets enough credit for his part in the Steelers D over the last decade - James Farrior.

Its likely Farrior will be this groups Andy Russell though. His stats are solid for the roll he plays and he's been a core leader for this group since beginning. IMO guys like Farrior deserve a shot too. He may not have a list of flashy sacks, but there's no denying his part in one of the best defenses in NFL history.

jjpro11
02-02-2011, 01:54 PM
Hampton has anchored the best run defense of the past decade.. and has a chance to win 3 rings.. add in all the Pro Bowls and this guy has as good a resume as any Steeler on this team.

quiggle
02-06-2011, 07:02 PM
if the Steelers lose the game by less than two touchdowns does this hurt Big Ben's chances of the Hall since he threw two interceptions tonight?

SteelCityMom
02-06-2011, 07:12 PM
if the Steelers lose the game by less than two touchdowns does this hurt Big Ben's chances of the Hall since he threw two interceptions tonight?

Who knows...his career isn't over after this game you know lol.

quiggle
02-06-2011, 07:18 PM
Who knows...his career isn't over after this game you know lol.

that's true but you never know when is the last Super Bowl players go to, or win.

SteelCityMom
02-06-2011, 07:19 PM
that's true but you never know when is the last Super Bowl players go to, or win.

Exactly. You never know.

steeltheone
02-06-2011, 09:34 PM
Hampton has anchored the best run defense of the past decade.. and has a chance to win 3 rings.. add in all the Pro Bowls and this guy has as good a resume as any Steeler on this team.

Hampton plays half the snaps and Hoke comes in and we lose nothing....Hampton is way overpaid!

steeltheone
02-06-2011, 09:37 PM
Someone I'd love to see get a shot at the hall who never gets enough credit for his part in the Steelers D over the last decade - James Farrior.

Its likely Farrior will be this groups Andy Russell though. His stats are solid for the roll he plays and he's been a core leader for this group since beginning. IMO guys like Farrior deserve a shot too. He may not have a list of flashy sacks, but there's no denying his part in one of the best defenses in NFL history.

Farrior is a solid player...Not even close HOF