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TRH
02-07-2011, 12:03 PM
I'm moving part of a thread i posted somewhere else to a main one here.
Just another aspect of the SB game that had me in fits during game-time.

There were other things that contributed to the offense being non-productive when needed such as Arians' terrible playing-calling last night and ridiculously long snap counts (right down to 0 or 1 on the snap count clock), allowing the defense to have the best look possible at our formation and prepare. That one i didn't understand last night and i still don't today.
We've always done well with hurry-up snaps and 'no-huddles'......yet we refuse to use them. Headscratcher

thoughts?

CargoJon
02-07-2011, 12:07 PM
It was inexcusible how disorganized our offense looked on that last "drive". Just terrible.

harrison'samonster
02-07-2011, 12:12 PM
It did seem like our offense never got into a "now or never" mode. Maybe it's because they were fairly succesful at putting drives together. If we get points off of the field goal drive and the drive with Mendenhall's fumble, there wouldn't have been much of a need for hurry-up offense until the end.

It would have been nice to see them go with no-huddle earlier, just to get something going.

Atlanta Dan
02-07-2011, 12:12 PM
I'm moving part of a thread i posted somewhere else to a main one here.
Just another aspect of the SB game that had me in fits during game-time.

There were other things that contributed to the offense being non-productive when needed such as Arians' terrible playing-calling last night and ridiculously long snap counts (right down to 0 or 1 on the snap count clock), allowing the defense to have the best look possible at our formation and prepare. That one i didn't understand last night and i still don't today.
We've always done well with hurry-up snaps and 'no-huddles'......yet we refuse to use them. Headscratcher

thoughts?

in December the P-G ran a story on Roethlisberger asking for more no huddle and Arians giving his explanation why it was not run as much this season

There are simple reasons Arians has used the no-huddle less often this season despite its past effectiveness and Roethlisberger's pleas. The reasons are Maurkice Pouncey and all their new starting linemen, rookie receivers Emmanuel Sanders and Antonio Brown, and even veteran Antwaan Randle El, who returned to the team after a four-year hiatus.

"You've got a rookie center, rookie receivers, a different line every week, three linemen who have never been here, a receiver who's never been here," Arians said. "Ben plays so fast, those guys can't stay with the pace, so it's extremely hard."

The problem, as Arians noted, is if one of those players misses a call in the no-huddle, the play can blow up into something ugly.

"It only takes one missed code word," Arians said.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10353/1111665-66.stm

Maybe with Legursky having enough to deal with as a new center Arians assumed he could not handle he no huddle as well?:noidea:

TRH
02-07-2011, 12:14 PM
i hear Arians, but there are so many complaints of our offense not getting it done and scoring points, that its hard to agree with him.
We can't be scoring 17 points in a game and expect to win all the time. It just doesn't work in this modern, pass, bigger scoring era.

Steelthe#1dynasty
02-07-2011, 12:15 PM
I'm moving part of a thread i posted somewhere else to a main one here.
Just another aspect of the SB game that had me in fits during game-time.

There were other things that contributed to the offense being non-productive when needed such as Arians' terrible playing-calling last night and ridiculously long snap counts (right down to 0 or 1 on the snap count clock), allowing the defense to have the best look possible at our formation and prepare. That one i didn't understand last night and i still don't today.
We've always done well with hurry-up snaps and 'no-huddles'......yet we refuse to use them. Headscratcher

thoughts?

Nothing about the offense makes any sense. The bottom line is that I want a new OC. I've felt this way for a long time. We've been getting away with it up to this point. Arians most definitely needs to go! No rhythm, no flow, poor game plan, poor execution, etc.

TRH
02-07-2011, 12:17 PM
Nothing about the offense makes any sense. The bottom line is that I want a new OC. I've felt this way for a long time. We've been getting away with it up to this point. Arians most definitely needs to go! No rhythm, no flow, poor game plan, poor execution, etc.

i agree with you. Our play calling is so predicatable on offense that most couch potatoes are calling the plays before the ball is even snapped. I do it myself more often than not (no, i'm not a couch potato..lol).
Problem is...we just had another trip to the SB....if i had to guess, i would guess Arians isn't going anywhere...for at least another year or two, especially in an organization where stability rules.
Can you imagine the headline? SB team fires offensive coordinator. Ain't gonna happen here.

Chadmagic
02-07-2011, 12:24 PM
When you are down 21-3 in the Superbowl, you have to go No Huddle! There is no excuse not to! Any other team in the NFL would do it. There is no next week. You have to do all you can to give your team a chance. Why no gadget play? The 2pt conversion was a HUGE success and if they had run that play at any other time in the game it woulda went for a monster gain if not a TD.

I just don't think Arians is capable of abandoning his game plan on the fly. Which is something you have to be able to do if its not working. In 05 we came out swinging with the no huddle and caught everyone off guard. Had we done that this game, I think the outcome would have been different and we would all be celebrating #7.

Fire Arians. Not because he's not a good OC, but because he is stagnant and not creative.

Atlanta Dan
02-07-2011, 12:25 PM
i hear Arians, but there are so many complaints of our offense not getting it done and scoring points, that its hard to agree with him.
We can't be scoring 17 points in a game and expect to win all the time. It just doesn't work in this modern, pass, bigger scoring era.

It works up to a point - in the current AFC North it will get you to the playoffs with a good defense but at some point in the playoffs you are going to meet up with a Brees, Brady or Rodgers - in retrospect the Steelers were fortunate it took Arizona until the 4th quarter to get Larry Firtzgerald going 2 years ago and that they got Flacco & Sanchez in the playoffs this season

I just do not know if Tomlin has any inclination to fire Arians - he is in no danger of being offered a job anywhere else

Atlanta Dan
02-07-2011, 12:30 PM
Can you imagine the headline? SB team fires offensive coordinator. Ain't gonna happen here.

Cowher fired Ron Erhardt after the loss in XXX because he wanted to keep Chan Gailey, who had opened up the offense in 1995 and had become the defacto coodinator, but Cowher was known to be tough on his assiatnts (Bobby April took a lateral ST coach job to get away from Cowher & LeBeau took a lateral move to the Bengals for the same rason)

Do not know if Tomlin is that cold or whom he might want to bring in, especially since the excuse will be the torn up OL ws the cause of any problems

Curtain_of_Steel
02-07-2011, 12:58 PM
If only the Bears shown us that the Packers couldn't handle the no huddle by a 3rd string. Wait the Bears did show us that the Packers couldn't handle the no huddle.

grward
02-07-2011, 01:18 PM
I agree ... when you are down 21 - 3, I think the no-huddle is better than nothing. Albeit, they did manage to get within 3 points without it. I just don't understand the playcalling in general.

I'm surprised no one is mentioning the TWO bubble screens used to start the game. Back to back bubble screens. And it didn't end there. We continued to use them, unsuccessful for the most part. Then we tried a disguised bubble screen, yeah first time I saw that one. This is a play that we just do NOT execute well. There is hardly ever any good blocking and a good play gets us 4 yards. That's a good bubble screen b/c most of the time it's for 1 or 2 yards or a loss of yardage.

PLEASE someone share with me why we are so sold on this play??!!??

TRH
02-07-2011, 01:32 PM
I agree ... when you are down 21 - 3, I think the no-huddle is better than nothing. Albeit, they did manage to get within 3 points without it. I just don't understand the playcalling in general.

I'm surprised no one is mentioning the TWO bubble screens used to start the game. Back to back bubble screens. And it didn't end there. We continued to use them, unsuccessful for the most part. Then we tried a disguised bubble screen, yeah first time I saw that one. This is a play that we just do NOT execute well. There is hardly ever any good blocking and a good play gets us 4 yards. That's a good bubble screen b/c most of the time it's for 1 or 2 yards or a loss of yardage.

PLEASE someone share with me why we are so sold on this play??!!??


Like i said, it seems like we're so sold on it because Wallace took one earlier this year and it ended up a big-gainer. Since then its been pretty much cold as ice. Especially 2 in a row. Dumb.
As bad as the offense and defense was, i think the coaching dept "out-dumbed" the playing staff yesterday, as hard as that is to believe.