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tony hipchest
02-07-2011, 02:22 PM
The Good-

the 2 point conversion was a great play. in what had been a pretty dismal game, it was at that point i thought we were going to win or atleast take it to OT. it brought hope.

i actually enjoyed the halftime show for the 1st time in years. i was really worried goodell would dig up elvis presley's corpse and try to have him do a show before the black eyes peas got the gig.

troy polamalu completely blasting greg jennings at the goaline, which leads us to...

The Bad-

greg jennings still held onto the ball and scored on what was maybe troys best play (atleast biggest hit) of the day.

'tails never fails' finally failed. so did our offense in the 1st quarter.

forcing the ball to wallace. wallace looked BIG and fast on his td reception. unfortunately ben missed him when he was wide open and threw his 2 picks trying to get him the ball. charles woodson broke his collar bone trying to cover him. ward, el, and miller had some pretty significant catches.

the sanders injury and the absence of antonio brown (except on special teams) which leads us to....

The Ugly-

a. brown is a legit returner. too bad our penalties seemed to negate all his returns.

aj hawk and clay matthews. they put the butt in ugly.

the WWE style champions belt draped over a. rodgers shoulder that almost cheapens and tarnishes the beautiful lombardi. packers should be ashamed.

the lyrical and vocal hack job c. aguillera butchered the national anthem with. and she calls herself a pgh native??? embarrassing. people should just sing the song the way it was intended to be sung. plus she is looking like she has been riden hard and put to bed wet. the much older fergie looks alot better.

rashard mendenhall's fumble. he very well coulda been rushing towards the mvp trophy. he coughed it up along with our best shot at overcoming an 18 point deficite and greatest sb comeback ever.

was anyone else able to take any good out of the game?

NoShootouts
02-07-2011, 02:27 PM
seriously ? you enjoyed the halftime ... worst halftime I've ever seen. I think it could have been pretty good but was horribly executed.

quiggle
02-07-2011, 02:27 PM
well you kind of have to give Christina Aguilera a pass because she is right now very depressed about her failed marriage and lousy film acting career, kind of like with Mariah and Spears. she's past her prime in both beauty and recording so she pretty much has nothing left and you're going to probably hear about her soon going into one of those break-down clinics so don't add salt to her already wounds.

Rotorhead
02-07-2011, 02:40 PM
The good
We have a good core in our receivers
Our Oline should be decent next year with all the experience, which frees up our first pick for a corner.
The Bad
William Gay doesn't cut it as a corner, time for him to move on.
The stupid penalties have to stop
The ugly
I am almost thinking we trade Mendy and use Redman, almost

ebsteelers
02-07-2011, 02:44 PM
good,
but expected even though they were down they didnt throw it in the bag and quit


no need to pile on mendy, if hes a that i think he could be he'll come back with an attitude and hold that ball high and tight

SH-Rock
02-07-2011, 02:44 PM
The good
We have a good core in our receivers
Our Oline should be decent next year with all the experience, which frees up our first pick for a corner.
The Bad
William Gay doesn't cut it as a corner, time for him to move on.
The stupid penalties have to stop
The ugly
I am almost thinking we trade Mendy and use Redman, almost

Mendenhall has one fumble in 328 snaps and you want to trade him. Thank god you're not part of the FO.

ebsteelers
02-07-2011, 02:46 PM
Mendenhall has one fumble in 328 snaps and you want to trade him. Thank god you're not part of the FO.

lot of overractions, i've seen a trade ben and trade mendy already. may have seen troy in there also.



did people forget the steelers were in the super bowl, you dont blow up the team when you lost by 6 points

Merchant
02-07-2011, 02:47 PM
Mendenhall has one fumble in 328 snaps and you want to trade him. Thank god you're not part of the FO.

He fumbled in the Baltimore divisional game too.

Curtain_of_Steel
02-07-2011, 02:53 PM
After blabbering here all day and not getting my wrk done Imfeeling better and better.

Last night I wasn't really pissed as Ben has pulled games out of his ass in the past and delivered. He will again. We have caught breaks in the SB's before, and this time as Ben said the ball didn't bounce our way. Sure he tossed 2 int's, and mendy fumbled. Thats aggressive in nature. The penalties that keep occuring are the nail in the coffin.

Browns run back of 40 plus called back. Starting 15 deep on Fox's BS penalty. These are disclplined errors by stupid people.

We have a great core, a great group of guys, some tweaks and add's and we are back in the Sb next year.

Keep in mind this.

Mannings are still the mannings. Big games they still get green
Sanchez will still have the ball taken out of his hand by the coach.
Flacco will still choke than complain it wasn't him.
Rivers will still miss the playoffs or choke his way out.
Rodgers although played well, showed some green when the game was n the line, our def let him back.

I'll take Ben any day of the week. I said it in the summer, I said it in the fall. I'll say it now. I enjoyed the season, I enjoyed the playoffs.

TRH
02-07-2011, 02:55 PM
i think you're the 1st person i've actually heard that enjoyed the halftime show. the B-eyed Peas were goddawful, Slash was horrible (his stupid hat-i'm going to guest solo thing has gotten REALLY REALLY old...) and Aguilera was so bad people were actually laughing. Thats right....laughing out loud.

I do agree with your "forcing the ball to Wallace" thing. I think thats exactly right. We were so hyped up on wallace it did seem as if we kept "forcing' him the ball and not utilizing Heath, Spaeth, Hines or other WR's nearly enough.

tony hipchest
02-07-2011, 02:57 PM
seriously ? you enjoyed the halftime ... worst halftime I've ever seen. I think it could have been pretty good but was horribly executed.i sure did. much more than the interceptions, fumbles, and penalties. i dont think it was horribly executed as much as the poor choreography by arians.

plus, next year i fear r. goodell will dig up The Monkeys, Billy Ocean & James Brown for the halftime show.

"wow.... i feeeel gooooood" *duhnt duhnt duhnt*

as for Christina Haguilera, i.f she is so downtrodden, perhaps she should consider putting her remaining talents to use in a career in porn and a heroin addiction. i bet her and lindsay lohan would make a great couple.

(sorry... im still pissed. posting my frustration is therapeutic,)

TRH
02-07-2011, 02:59 PM
After blabbering here all day and not getting my wrk done Imfeeling better and better.

Last night I wasn't really pissed as Ben has pulled games out of his ass in the past and delivered. He will again. We have caught breaks in the SB's before, and this time as Ben said the ball didn't bounce our way. Sure he tossed 2 int's, and mendy fumbled. Thats aggressive in nature. The penalties that keep occuring are the nail in the coffin.

Browns run back of 40 plus called back. Starting 15 deep on Fox's BS penalty. These are disclplined errors by stupid people.

We have a great core, a great group of guys, some tweaks and add's and we are back in the Sb next year.

Keep in mind this.


Mannings are still the mannings. Big games they still get green
Sanchez will still have the ball taken out of his hand by the coach.
Flacco will still choke than complain it wasn't him.
Rivers will still miss the playoffs or choke his way out.
Rodgers although played well, showed some green when the game was n the line, our def let him back.

I'll take Ben any day of the week. I said it in the summer, I said it in the fall. I'll say it now. I enjoyed the season, I enjoyed the playoffs.


Your'e right. I think alot of people here forget that Brady, Manning, Brees and others were already knocked out themselves...yet they want to hang Ben. Its almost funny.
The D was just as much to blame along with the poor coaching decisions and stupid penalities.

Curtain_of_Steel
02-07-2011, 03:02 PM
TRH, I agree 100% there.

Turnovers are apart of the game, you can't control that. You can minimize the risk of it. Penalaties are 100% lack of discipline, by the coaching staff, the veterans and the players as a whole. !00% controllable. At least the 3 stupid ones we were called for.

ebsteelers
02-07-2011, 03:07 PM
all our pentlies were in the worst spots.. (2 on kickoffs, another on 2 and 1),


just a question about penalties why wouldn't williams of gb thrown out the game for throwing a punch?


speaking of williams, how about not getting on that fumble punt early... also can we get some development in our secondary, yes you need vet leaders, (troy, ike, clark) but like how gb had williams and shield step up, can that happen here please? butler, gay, mcfadden, a draft pick, anybody? im really hoping butler does as good as i hear people are saying about him.. need some guys who can jam

Atlanta Dan
02-07-2011, 03:29 PM
also can we get some development in our secondary, yes you need vet leaders, (troy, ike, clark) but like how gb had williams and shield step up, can that happen here please? butler, gay, mcfadden, a draft pick, anybody? im really hoping butler does as good as i hear people are saying about him.. need some guys who can jam

Tomlin took the hint when AJR II said we need to develop younger players more quickly and worked 3 rookies into the offense this year.

The party line is that it takes time to learn LeBeau's defense but of necessity we are going to see this team get younger on defense, starting with the CB position

Atlanta Dan
02-07-2011, 03:41 PM
After blabbering here all day and not getting my wrk done Imfeeling better and better.

I'll take Ben any day of the week. I said it in the summer, I said it in the fall. I'll say it now. I enjoyed the season, I enjoyed the playoffs.

:iagree:

I made minimal postings last night after the game both to cool off after a disappointing loss and to avoid a citation for PWI (posting while intoxicated) . Posting today has been good therapy.

There is no guarantee of ever getting back to the Super Bowl and it was a very enjoyable season. As Tomlin says, you have to make certain to enjoy the journey

The good
Not collapsing down 21-3 and coming backa again down 28-17
The performance of a patchwork OL
The 2 point conversion

The bad
Getting down 21-3
Not being able to keep Green Bay out of the end zone afer each turnover
Mendenhall's fumble (which switched the momentum back)

The ugly
The pick 6 after Kemo whiffed on his block and Ben threw a wounded duck
Yet another stupid penalty by Kemo and the inexcusable penalty by Fox (which seals his fate in Pittsburgh - he is gone)

steeltheone
02-07-2011, 05:27 PM
The Good
Browns returns
Johnsons key blocks
Hoods Pressure
Harrison should be good 2 more years

The Bad
Farrior, Clark, McF, Gay in coverage
Keisel and esp Hampton get no interior pressure on the QB.
Nobody on the OL could start anywhere else. Except 53
the wideouts as a whole are not as good as we think.

Farrior_roirraW
02-07-2011, 05:32 PM
The Bad
Farrior, Clark, McF, Gay in coverage

I've said this before but Farrior on Jennings is a terrible match up. Other than that Farrior was fine, unless I'm forgetting some big plays.

TRH
02-07-2011, 07:41 PM
the good:
--OL doing a decent job and Legursky being rock solid. May have had the best game of any Steeler
--our kick-off return team was doing an excellent job for us
--Ziggy Hood had a good game, i thought

the bad:
--our LB's were getting MAN-handled by their OL...i was watching them specifically get eaten alive
--Troy's playing 30 yards downfield and guessed wrong on most plays
--predictable play calling. Its bad when you're sittin' home calling the plays from the couch before the snap
--no "no-huddles" or quick snaps. We counted down to zero on almost every snap...allowing them MAXimum looks at our setups and they knew exactly when we were going to snap it. At the 1 or zero mark. Duh.

the ugly:
--us having no answer for the slant and middle of the field passes. Everyone and their brother knew they were going to do it to us, and we STILL didn't stop them. If it weren't for those dropped passes, Rogers might have landed between 450 and 500 yards passing. Ouch.
--the ***damn bubble screen. Too many. ENOUGH!!! so it worked once earlier this year. move on.
--the Suisham 52 yard FG attempt. What the **** was Tomlin thinking. We could've punted and possibly pinned them inside their 10...at worst a touchback.
--too much 'forced' action toward Wallace. Again, predictable. We needed to rely more on Heath, Ward, the youngsters, and even Spaeth. the Packers were on to this for the most part.
--K. Fox. I won't even comment further.

--there's more ugly, but lets leave it at that.

steeltheone
02-07-2011, 08:39 PM
I've said this before but Farrior on Jennings is a terrible match up. Other than that Farrior was fine, unless I'm forgetting some big plays.

Farrior was getting beat all over the place. 1 TACKLE 1 ASSIST NO SACKS......I know he is untouchable on this board, but face it its time to move on.

TRH
02-07-2011, 08:52 PM
Farrior was getting beat all over the place. 1 TACKLE 1 ASSIST NO SACKS......I know he is untouchable on this board, but face it its time to move on.

you're right. We've got to let him go. Wonder how he'd make for a leadership/coach role after his on-field play days are over.......

SteelCityMom
02-07-2011, 09:27 PM
Farrior was getting beat all over the place. 1 TACKLE 1 ASSIST NO SACKS......I know he is untouchable on this board, but face it its time to move on.

Not saying he's untouchable, but you have to admit...there were a lot of guys who were non-existent yesterday. Should they all be cut? And for who?

Farrior was the second leading tackler on the team in the regular season behind Timmons (with 80 solo, 29 assists, 6 sacks and 1 FF).

He had a bad game. A lot of guys had a bad game yesterday lol. He shouldn't be in coverage though...I'll agree with you on that. But apparently he was doing something right this season.

It's funny, cause you listed Clark as part of the bad...he had the most tackles with 6 solo and 2 assists. I'm not saying that's great, just saying.

Fire Arians
02-07-2011, 09:28 PM
i wanna see what sylvester and butler can do next preseason. i expect big things from these kids.

tony hipchest
02-07-2011, 09:31 PM
Farrior was getting beat all over the place. 1 TACKLE 1 ASSIST NO SACKS......I know he is untouchable on this board, but face it its time to move on.its not that he is untouchable on this board, its just that out of hundereds of members, no more than 3 have agreed with you all year when you repeatedly call for his head. that speaks volumes.

he had a damn good season and 99% of the fans here recognize that. :noidea:

back on topic, i finally saw the ugliest of the ugly... heath miller was running wide open for a sure TD on the 2nd int ben tried to force to wallace.

someone dropped the ball not making miller a focal point of the offense. it was havilly regarded that all the opportunities in the world would be there for him to have a HUGE day.

maybe this was too obvious to arians. perhaps he had to outsmart and trick them by NOT using what what obviously shoulda been our most potent weapon.

i guarantee that had jermichael finley been healthy, it woulda been him carving us up instead of jordy nelson (who woulda had an even greater game had he not been hearing footsteps the whole time).

Atlanta Dan
02-07-2011, 09:37 PM
you're right. We've got to let him go. Wonder how he'd make for a leadership/coach role after his on-field play days are over.......

Farrior had a good year after a dismal 2009, but there is a reason Foote gota 3 year deal to come back - IMO there is a quick hook to pull Farrior next year since the book to beat the Steelers will be do not waste time with the run and throw 75-80% of your plays

People talk about these guys coaching - maybe if they love the game (Kevin Greene looks like he still is into it), but Farrior has been banking major $$ for over a decade - he may have the skill set to be a coach but former NFL greats like LeBeau needed a day job when they retired - absent really bad investments or drug/women drains on income these current players do not - lot of long hours in coaching

stb_steeler
02-07-2011, 09:38 PM
I seen the play with Heath wide open to, i was screaming my head off while Ben shrugged him off...OMG! A sure thing all for nothing. I wonder if Ben can see the field that well and what was with the face shield? he didnt wear it last game.:doh:

Fire Arians
02-07-2011, 09:41 PM
someone dropped the ball not making miller a focal point of the offense. it was havilly regarded that all the opportunities in the world would be there for him to have a HUGE day.

*cough* Arians

Atlanta Dan
02-07-2011, 09:57 PM
back on topic, i finally saw the ugliest of the ugly... heath miller was running wide open for a sure TD on the 2nd int ben tried to force to wallace.


You sent me back to NFL Rewind

Yep - Miller was free around the Green Bay 35 on the left hashmark and raised his hand to let Ben know nobody was near him - if Ben makes a decent throw it is 6

Going into the game everyone said you could make yardage against Green Bay by throwing to the tight end - no clue why they did not exploit that (after Arians made Spaeth the focus of the game plan for the first Jets game)

I am coming around to the view Roethisberger was emotionally beaten down and while he had moments in the playoffs based on sheer talent was worn out after all that has gone down since last March

tony hipchest
02-07-2011, 09:59 PM
*cough* Arianswhile im inclined to agree, im not gonna be too quick to let ben off the hook in this regard.

im sure he feels he single handedly turned santonio holmes into a super star last SB and he hinted he was gonna have the same, pregame, nerve calming pep talk with wallace that he had with tone before the game.

ben was forcing shit.

stb_steeler
02-07-2011, 10:02 PM
Thats it......Ive come to the conclusion that the game was fixed......:flap:

4xSBChamps
02-07-2011, 10:48 PM
Random-thoughts ~ good, bad, ugly & indifferent

as I stated in the 'go-back-in-time' thread, I was upset when we semi-abandoned the running-game in the 3rd quarter when Green Bay showed no-stomach or ability to stop us from pounding the Left-side of their line & LB:
as I recall, we threw 4-5 straight passes, the drive-stalled, we missed a FG, and lost momentum...

WHY?

in this day of pitch-and-catch, you can't base your passing-game around throwing the bubble-screen twice a period, especially if Wallace, Brown, and Sanders are as quick & fast as everyone says they are

I don't watch the teeny-bopper Anthem or halftime show ~ when the Blonde Bimbi took a deep-breath after every syllable to begin, I took the pooch outside for a quick poop, and still got back to see her finish

last Anthem singer I can recall was Cheryl Ladd in SB14, who surprised everybody with her simple, timeless rendition ~ who knew she could sing at-all:
I'm not a fan of the Rolling Stones or Bruce Springsteen, but w-d-F are the Black Eye'd Peas?

:noidea:

unless I am mistaken, there were no pass-interference calls in yesterday's game, which is unusual with today's passion for the pass:
if I am correct, that no PI were called, when was the last time that happened in an NFL game?

I take great pride in ripping Ms. Goodell a new hind-quarter for his brand of phaggotry-football (Gawd-knows, he give ample opportunity to do-so), but the officiating was as-good-as I can recall in many years:
a few ticky-tack calls (including a few to aid Pittsburgh), but nothing to decide the outcome, so I must give the League credit (and I hate doing that)

the field caused many players to slip & slide frequently - a report in Tampa says the League installed a new surface, with SB45 logos at each end, which was slipperier (is that even a word?) than usual:
in general, holding the game at Jerry Jones Self-Aggrandizement Field was a joke, which-means...
... Goodell will give them the game in another few years

:doh:

Roethlisberger showed his toughness this year, both mental & physical, playing under a shroud of his-own doing, and dealing with broken bones, yet he kept coming-back for more, and I (grudgingly) give him credit:
I hope he has dummied-up, turned the corner, and truly changed his life, as he still has 6-8, maybe 10 more productive years, if he keeps his nose-clean

this team and core group of players still has a chance to do great things in the next 3-5 years, labor strife not-withstanding, as the franchise's approach is a proven winner, and the coach is still young, and more-importantly, hungry:
when Noll was Tomlin's age, he hadn't made the playoffs yet, while Tomlin's already been to a pair of Super Bowls

:helmet:

Farrior_roirraW
02-07-2011, 10:56 PM
Farrior was getting beat all over the place. 1 TACKLE 1 ASSIST NO SACKS......I know he is untouchable on this board, but face it its time to move on.

When a team only runs 14 times tackles are really a garbage stat for LBs especially when GB spread the field int he passing game. So happens Farriors only tackle was a 1st down saving one. :noidea:

i wanna see what sylvester and butler can do next preseason. i expect big things from these kids.

Can't wait (heh) to see what Sylvester does.

But with this said I think Potsie has one good year left and then I'll be ready to see some new blood starting inside.

tony hipchest
02-07-2011, 11:28 PM
[B][SIZE="2"][FONT="Arial Black"]Random-thoughts ~ good, bad, ugly & indifferent

as I stated in the 'go-back-in-time' thread, I was upset when we semi-abandoned the running-game in the 3rd quarter when Green Bay showed no-stomach or ability to stop us from pounding the Left-side of their line & LB:
as I recall, we threw 4-5 straight passes, the drive-stalled, we missed a FG, and lost momentum...

great post. you raise alot of interesting points i dont think i have read yet.

one that i have seen is that after mendenahall fumbled he didnt have another carry for the rest of the game. infact, the steelers didnt rush the ball again. 12 straight passes to end the game.

didnt the steelers end the game leaving their final time out on the table? the final drive on 3rd and 5 woulda been the perfect opportunity for a suprize rush (it probably woulda gone the distance and if it didnt we still had a great chance to gain 5 yards and a new set of downs). throwing it to wallace like we did holmes on the final drive in the last SB was way too predictable. we went to the well 2 too many times.

i didnt even think about no PI flags. i was almost sure goodell gave directives to the refs to influence the outcome of the game. im glad to say that didnt seem to be the case. well called game and they pretty much let the players decide the outcome. i really didnt even see a play where i thought PI shoulda been called.

excellent call on the slippery field. when kemo allowed the rush to break through on big bens pick 6, he slipped. rashard mendenhall slipped as if he were on ice when he tried to make the tackle.

troy polamalu slipped badly on the throw that jordy nelson missed in the endzone (madison in coverage- GB settled for the fg).

and i swear, the only thing i noticed when ben hurt his knee in the 1st quarter before his longest run, was a slight slip and tweak when he planted to throw. all in all, there seemed to be far to many random injuries.