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tony hipchest
02-12-2011, 04:15 PM
A ton of fans will refuse to watch a replay of a horrible, heartbreaking loss, and many players do the same.

I am the opposite. I watched the Packers at the podium, and all the post-game interviews, jubilation, and highlight shows full of praise for the champions.

I emersed myself in the misery of the Steelers players who were despondant and who felt they let their city, team, and fans down.

I followed all the coverage through the week, and all the analysts shows that pick apart every single aspect and play of the game.

perhaps I am just sick, or perhaps it is just part of the healing proces, or perhaps it is just because I am an NFL junkit and it is whaat I do after the end of every season whether the Steelers win, lose, or arent even in the playoffs.

Since the loss hurt so bad, it is easiest to understand it, put it behind me, and then appreciate the game and season for what it was.

For me that means simplfying the loss. Many people want to complicate it by saying Ben was off, or Arians had a horrible gameplan that was too predictable, or that it was because of drafting, linemen being out, or the play of cornerbacks, penalties, slippery turf and injuries.

It is very easy and almost overly simplistic to blame the 3 turnovers. People want a scapegoat. But in this instance there is no scapegoat. In a game of 120 or so plays it came down to 2-

Ben's second interception and Clay Matthews forced fumble. I could say each play was a potential 14 point swing and we should have won 38-17. Since Bens misread on his pick only definitively cost us 7 points i will say we wouldve won had these 2 plays not happened.

Im throwing out all the penalties, missed tackles, dropped passes, and supposed bad play by individuals. It happened to both teams and is a wash. Most importantly I am throwing out the Pick 6 on Ben's 1st interception where his arm was hit. Sometimes a team is just "out physicalled" on a play. That happens in football; its the nature of the beast. Its where you have the least opportunity to control the outcome.

I had initially thought this was the backbreaking play of the game, but not no more.

The other 2 are more crucial because they were made between the ears as much as on the field.

Inside The NFL had the best footage, coverage, and analysis of these 2 plays I have seen thus far.

On the interception, the packers were in man-to-man coverage at the line. heath Miller was uncovered. Say what you want, but Manning, Brady, Brees woulda instantly recognized this pre-snap and it wouldve been an easy TD. Miller was wide open because of the Packers mistake.

On the forced fumble, Kevin Greene told Clay Matthews "it is time" whose fault is it that a coach fired up his player to make the play of the game when it was most needed by them? In the pre-snap huddle you hear Matthews predicting the correct run play saying he "has a feeling".

A great play by Matthews, a horrible play by Ben. sometimes it is that simple.

GBpack2010
02-12-2011, 04:35 PM
The only thing Im concerned with as a Packer fan is James Jones and his board hands. He cant catch a pass and he dropped a potential td that may have put the game away early. He did the same in Philly and dropped a key 3rd down conversion in Chicago also.

tony hipchest
02-12-2011, 05:00 PM
we have the same issues with ike taylor.

as for all of the packers dropped passes i wish somebody would finally step up and give credit to the steelers secondary which is probably the hardest hitting secondary in the nfl.

greg jennings was completely body rocked by polamalu on his 1st td.

i noticed packer players taking their eye off the ball, looking for where the hits were coming from on several occasions. most notable was jordy nelson on a crossing route in the middle when lawrence timmons AND ryan clark were bearing down on him.

and finally the rocket balls aaron was throwing. many times he was throwing rockets to either beat the rush or beat the coverage.

either that or he simply has no touch (i am sure it is the former).

yet many fans on both sides (and all talking heads/ media analysts) simply chalk it up the the "great" wr corps of the packers suddenly having butterfingers instead of giving credit to the playoff's #1 defense.

steelerohio
02-12-2011, 05:42 PM
I have to sat the Mendenhall fumble pretty much finished it...

MasterOfPuppets
02-12-2011, 06:26 PM
am i the only one to notice the piss poor blocking effort by david johnson that allowed that free shot by mathews on mendenhall ?
johnson just ran right between the 2 guys and allowed them to sandwich mendenhall.

ulq1xcyaU_w

SH-Rock
02-12-2011, 06:31 PM
It happens. Ben just hit the hump at the wrong time.

Farrior_roirraW
02-12-2011, 06:35 PM
yet many fans on both sides (and all talking heads/ media analysts) simply chalk it up the the "great" wr corps of the packers suddenly having butterfingers instead of giving credit to the playoff's #1 defense.

I said this before the game and everyone (including packer fans) told me no the pack had good hands. :noidea:

tube517
02-12-2011, 08:00 PM
I agree Tony. The fumble was the back breaker. Just a great play by Matthews. Steelers had the momentum before that and looked like they were going to take the lead. Ben didn't play as bad as everyone makes it out to be but he made some bad errors and hopefully he learns from it. It's football and that's part of life. The WR's will have a year under their belt and a playoff run to learn from. They will be back.

stb_steeler
02-12-2011, 08:24 PM
am i the only one to notice the piss poor blocking effort by david johnson that allowed that free shot by mathews on mendenhall ?
johnson just ran right between the 2 guys and allowed them to sandwich mendenhall.

ulq1xcyaU_w

If you watch sound FX on the SB, you will hear Mathews callin the play, he noticed it then took a shot.

steelerohio
02-12-2011, 08:59 PM
You know? After three turnovers that have all resulted in touchdowns, the steelers does not deserve to even have a shot to win it in the final minutes. I say that's the making of a great team.

I didn't notice the missed block, good point out. But it still doesn't take away from the great play of Matthews. I repeat what had been said on here already and say the Steelers will be back, maybe even better and more focused than before. This team tends to get more focused the next season after falling short of their goal the year before.

LegendSteel
02-12-2011, 09:07 PM
am i the only one to notice the piss poor blocking effort by david johnson that allowed that free shot by mathews on mendenhall ?
johnson just ran right between the 2 guys and allowed them to sandwich mendenhall.

Yeah, I noticed that too. Another Arians mystery...why he insists on using the mediocre-at-best Johnson so much is beyond me. It's different if he's mostly on the other side of the play, but it always seemed like he was the one making the key block that was going to make or break the play.

Fire Arians
02-12-2011, 09:12 PM
Yeah, I noticed that too. Another Arians mystery...why he insists on using the mediocre-at-best Johnson so much is beyond me. It's different if he's mostly on the other side of the play, but it always seemed like he was the one making the key block that was going to make or break the play.

yep, you know if we had a REAL fullback this maybe wouldn't have happened. if it was someone like dan kreider leading the charge instead, clay matthews would have been pancaked... ah damn you arians.

tony hipchest
02-13-2011, 12:11 AM
yep, you know if we had a REAL fullback this maybe wouldn't have happened. if it was someone like dan kreider leading the charge instead, clay matthews would have been pancaked... ah damn you arians.

john kuhn is the greatest packer player to ever strap on the cheese.

how many times did you hear his name called in the game? how many pancake blocks did he have?

0

pretty hard for d johnson to make the block when matthews diagnoses the play and the DE gets skinny to make a spectacular play (which allowed clay to make the hit).

Packerstud
02-13-2011, 12:27 AM
The single most crucial play to the game?

After multiple viewings of the game I believe it was your first punt in the 1st quarter. Williams fumbled the punt but recovered. If the Steelers had recovered that fumble I think it would have been a very different game.

stb_steeler
02-13-2011, 12:31 AM
It is what it is......Packers no turn overs....Steelers 3 turn overs. End of story!

steelcity1974
02-13-2011, 09:54 AM
It is what it is......Packers no turn overs....Steelers 3 turn overs. End of story!

I tend to agree with this analysis.

SH-Rock
02-13-2011, 10:00 AM
Well we still had the 2 minutes and could've drove down the field. It felt like Ben and Wallace were not on the same page. On 2nd down Wallace had his hands up showing that he didn't know the play.

stb_steeler
02-13-2011, 10:04 AM
Those are the things u usualy prepare for SH........dont wanna wait till the big dance to find out how it goes. I think we all thought ,ok 2 minutes, been here before Ben can do it, but it didnt for some reason.

SH-Rock
02-13-2011, 10:42 AM
Those are the things u usualy prepare for SH........dont wanna wait till the big dance to find out how it goes. I think we all thought ,ok 2 minutes, been here before Ben can do it, but it didnt for some reason.

Mendy's fumble was early 4th quarter and I wished the defense could've stopped them, but we do ask a lot from our defense.

tony hipchest
02-13-2011, 10:56 AM
The single most crucial play to the game?

After multiple viewings of the game I believe it was your first punt in the 1st quarter. Williams fumbled the punt but recovered. If the Steelers had recovered that fumble I think it would have been a very different game.

i dont think that was too crucial at all. while it woulda been great to recover that muff and go on to score a TD it woulda been nothing more than if we had scored on our opening drive.

the rest of the game was still to be played and the packers got the ball to open the second half.

that mistake there coulda easilly been overcome.

in 10 years, nobody but your die hard steeler and packerfans will even remember that muff.

when i rewatched that game for the 1st time, i said "damn, i totally forgot about that" and then noted how huge that coulda been in possibly changing the outcome.

zulater
02-13-2011, 12:13 PM
My two plays were the two penalties in the kick game that killed us with bad field position at crucial times of the game. And the thing is neither penalty aided the play in any way. I've watched Mundy's block in the back about 50 times, and while there's no doubt it was a legitimate call, there's also no doubt on my part that Antoine Brown would have still advanced the ball to the 43 yard line if Mundy never makes contact there, as the Packer defender took a terrible angle on the play and had already run himself out of any chance of making the tackle.

If we get the ball at the 43 as we should have ( without Mundy's stupidity, I'm not blaming the ref) that pick 6 likely never happens.

And of course I think the lack of field position on our last offensive series factored into how poorly we performed with the ball there.

tony hipchest
02-13-2011, 07:52 PM
My two plays were the two penalties in the kick game that killed us with bad field position at crucial times of the game. And the thing is neither penalty aided the play in any way. I've watched Mundy's block in the back about 50 times, and while there's no doubt it was a legitimate call, there's also no doubt on my part that Antoine Brown would have still advanced the ball to the 43 yard line if Mundy never makes contact there, as the Packer defender took a terrible angle on the play and had already run himself out of any chance of making the tackle.

If we get the ball at the 43 as we should have ( without Mundy's stupidity, I'm not blaming the ref) that pick 6 likely never happens.

And of course I think the lack of field position on our last offensive series factored into how poorly we performed with the ball there.

see, i dont buy into those being as impactful as ben missing the easiest read he had all night and throwing an interception that woulda been a TD for any other great qb that made it to a SB.

can ANYBODY name me the 2 penalties in SB XXX that helped lose it vs. dallas? nobody remembers those. people only remember niels 2 ints in regards to us giving away the game

with mundys penalty im still pretty sure bruce woulda called the same scripted play. ben still probably woulda been hit, and collins still probably woulda returned it for a TD (this time for 90 yds instead of 40). the piss poor effort our offense gave in trying to make a tackle, im convinced an int woulda been returned any distance.

as for fox's penalty. it had no bearing on the outcome of the game. the previous sb, the steelers overcame not only a safety, but a penalty that backed them up to almost the same position on their last ditch effort drive.

the steelers inability to gain 5 yards for a 1st down on 3 consecutive plays is what killed them. it woulda killed them at the 40 yard line just as it did at the 30.

10% of the game is physical. 90% is mental. ben and matthews proved why.

Tulsa
02-13-2011, 09:21 PM
yep, you know if we had a REAL fullback this maybe wouldn't have happened. if it was someone like dan kreider leading the charge instead, clay matthews would have been pancaked... ah damn you arians.


We need a fullback with a number in the 30's. Not the 80's.

ZoneBlitzer
02-14-2011, 02:35 AM
Ben missing a wide open Heath on his 2nd pick was inexcusable. You can get the read at the line on that play. If in doubt, look again because Heath is putting his hand up. How Ben misses that at this stage in his career is beyond me.

TRH
02-14-2011, 07:43 AM
....these were ALL impactful plays. Especially those 2 penalties called. HUGE.

Dino 6 Rings
02-14-2011, 03:26 PM
It is what it is......Packers no turn overs....Steelers 3 turn overs. End of story!

Ditto

Dino 6 Rings
02-14-2011, 03:29 PM
see, i dont buy into those being as impactful as ben missing the easiest read he had all night and throwing an interception that woulda been a TD for any other great qb that made it to a SB.

can ANYBODY name me the 2 penalties in SB XXX that helped lose it vs. dallas? nobody remembers those. people only remember niels 2 ints in regards to us giving away the game

with mundys penalty im still pretty sure bruce woulda called the same scripted play. ben still probably woulda been hit, and collins still probably woulda returned it for a TD (this time for 90 yds instead of 40). the piss poor effort our offense gave in trying to make a tackle, im convinced an int woulda been returned any distance.

as for fox's penalty. it had no bearing on the outcome of the game. the previous sb, the steelers overcame not only a safety, but a penalty that backed them up to almost the same position on their last ditch effort drive.

the steelers inability to gain 5 yards for a 1st down on 3 consecutive plays is what killed them. it woulda killed them at the 40 yard line just as it did at the 30.

10% of the game is physical. 90% is mental. ben and matthews proved why.

Is it bad that I STILL have a bad taste in my mouth about this game?

tony hipchest
02-14-2011, 03:55 PM
Is it bad that I STILL have a bad taste in my mouth about this game?nope. 3rd and 5 woulda been the perfect opportunity to run the ball. we still had a time out when the game ended. i re-watched and looked and clay matthews was left in there to spy ben, its not guaranteed it woulda gone for a huge gain, but im almost certain we woulda atleast got the 1st down, and possibly broke a big one.

in the final series vs the jets, rex ryan admitted he never expected the steelers to throw the ball on that final 3rd and 6 before we iced the game.

the packers woulda never expected a run on that 3rd and 5.

stb_steeler
02-14-2011, 04:20 PM
Ben missing a wide open Heath on his 2nd pick was inexcusable. You can get the read at the line on that play. If in doubt, look again because Heath is putting his hand up. How Ben misses that at this stage in his career is beyond me.

That was hard to watch....Heath wide open and that would of been a huge play for heath.

Dino 6 Rings
02-14-2011, 04:23 PM
That was hard to watch....Heath wide open and that would of been a huge play for heath.

not the only open guy Ben missed last Sunday either...

AAAARRRRRRRGGGGHHH!

I'm still MAD!

Atlanta Dan
02-14-2011, 04:31 PM
nope. 3rd and 5 woulda been the perfect opportunity to run the ball. we still had a time out when the game ended. i re-watched and looked and clay matthews was left in there to spy ben, its not guaranteed it woulda gone for a huge gain, but im almost certain we woulda atleast got the 1st down, and possibly broke a big one.

in the final series vs the jets, rex ryan admitted he never expected the steelers to throw the ball on that final 3rd and 6 before we iced the game.

the packers woulda never expected a run on that 3rd and 5.

After reading this from from the ESPN NFC North blog today I am even more mystified why the Steelers went away from the run mid-way through the 3rd quarter:noidea::banging:

Anyone catch the "Sound FX" segment featuring Super Bowl XLV, currently airing on the NFL Network? Using microphones embedded around the field at Cowboys Stadium, the piece provided -- among other things -- some interesting insight into one of our pregame XLV posts.

As you might recall, we discussed the possible mismatch when the Pittsburgh Steelers ran behind right tackle Flozell Adams. From that post:

According to ESPN Stats & Information, the Steelers averaged 5.9 yards per carry during the regular season when they ran behind right tackle Flozell Adams, the second-highest total in the NFL. And for reasons that will be hard to pinpoint, the Packers' otherwise strong run defense allowed 5.2 yards per carry in that same direction during the season. That number placed them No. 26 overall among NFL teams in that category.

It wasn't entirely clear why the Packers' defense was weak in that direction, but "Sound FX" made clear the Steelers' assessment. At one point, running backs coach Kirby Wilson points to linebacker Clay Matthews' position on a grease board. Wilson tells backup running back Isaac Redman that the Steelers would target Matthews for the entire game.

"He doesn't want to take on the run," Wilson said. "He's a pass-rush specialist. He wants to pass rush Mike Vick. He wants to pass rush Matthew Stafford. ... We're going to keep pounding and make this guy quit."

We then see Matthews manning the right side of the Steelers offense, recognizing a formation that suggests the Steelers were planning to run in his direction.

"Watch the power! Watch the power!" Matthews says.

At the snap, Steelers guard Chris Kemoeatu pulls toward Matthews and flattens him. Running back Rashard Mendenhall scoots by on his way to a 19-yard run.

Next, Matthews is on the bench shaking his head about the play, noting that he recognized what was coming but lamenting that Kemoeatu is " just a big boy."

Kemoeatu is listed at 344 pounds, or 89 pounds more than Matthews.

Mendenhall finished the game with 14 carries. He gained 66 yards on runs that went to the right of center, based on a review of the official play-by-play. Mendenhall ran twice to the left, netting zero yards, and lost three yards on his only run up the middle.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth/post/_/id/24267/how-the-packers-minimized-a-mismatch

tony hipchest
02-14-2011, 04:42 PM
if its so obvious that we should run to the right behind flozell, arians will not do it because if it is so obvious they will figure it out and of course be prepared for it. :banging: "if theyre expecting run we will catch them off guard with the pass".

the problem with arians is he wants to trick every opponent's coaches and try to out think them. its almost like he is afraid of failure to just line up and smash the opponent in the mouth.

he is guilty of what joey porter accused the colts of being.

Velvet Elvis
02-14-2011, 05:25 PM
Ben missing a wide open Heath on his 2nd pick was inexcusable. You can get the read at the line on that play. If in doubt, look again because Heath is putting his hand up. How Ben misses that at this stage in his career is beyond me.

He is "elite", yet regressing.

Kanata-Steeler
02-15-2011, 09:20 AM
A ton of fans will refuse to watch a replay of a horrible, heartbreaking loss, and many players do the same.

I am the opposite. I watched the Packers at the podium, and all the post-game interviews, jubilation, and highlight shows full of praise for the champions.

I emersed myself in the misery of the Steelers players who were despondant and who felt they let their city, team, and fans down.

I followed all the coverage through the week, and all the analysts shows that pick apart every single aspect and play of the game.

perhaps I am just sick, or perhaps it is just part of the healing proces, or perhaps it is just because I am an NFL junkit and it is whaat I do after the end of every season whether the Steelers win, lose, or arent even in the playoffs.

Since the loss hurt so bad, it is easiest to understand it, put it behind me, and then appreciate the game and season for what it was.

For me that means simplfying the loss. Many people want to complicate it by saying Ben was off, or Arians had a horrible gameplan that was too predictable, or that it was because of drafting, linemen being out, or the play of cornerbacks, penalties, slippery turf and injuries.

It is very easy and almost overly simplistic to blame the 3 turnovers. People want a scapegoat. But in this instance there is no scapegoat. In a game of 120 or so plays it came down to 2-

Ben's second interception and Clay Matthews forced fumble. I could say each play was a potential 14 point swing and we should have won 38-17. Since Bens misread on his pick only definitively cost us 7 points i will say we wouldve won had these 2 plays not happened.

Im throwing out all the penalties, missed tackles, dropped passes, and supposed bad play by individuals. It happened to both teams and is a wash. Most importantly I am throwing out the Pick 6 on Ben's 1st interception where his arm was hit. Sometimes a team is just "out physicalled" on a play. That happens in football; its the nature of the beast. Its where you have the least opportunity to control the outcome.

I had initially thought this was the backbreaking play of the game, but not no more.

The other 2 are more crucial because they were made between the ears as much as on the field.

Inside The NFL had the best footage, coverage, and analysis of these 2 plays I have seen thus far.

On the interception, the packers were in man-to-man coverage at the line. heath Miller was uncovered. Say what you want, but Manning, Brady, Brees woulda instantly recognized this pre-snap and it wouldve been an easy TD. Miller was wide open because of the Packers mistake.

On the forced fumble, Kevin Greene told Clay Matthews "it is time" whose fault is it that a coach fired up his player to make the play of the game when it was most needed by them? In the pre-snap huddle you hear Matthews predicting the correct run play saying he "has a feeling".

A great play by Matthews, a horrible play by Ben. sometimes it is that simple.

Yep, I agree here, that pretty well sums it up. Ben(Ariens) and Mendy wanted desperately to get those (2, or 3 Horrible Interceptions) back with that last drive. -it could have swung real fast to us in those last seconds, and we would have won, -but lady luck didn't smile.

plenewken
02-15-2011, 12:32 PM
Yep, I agree here, that pretty well sums it up. Ben(Ariens) and Mendy wanted desperately to get those (2, or 3 Horrible Interceptions) back with that last drive. -it could have swung real fast to us in those last seconds, and we would have won, -but lady luck didn't smile.

Green Bay had more dropped passes than the Steelers. I'd say at least 4 or 5 more and they were all right on the money, unlike ours. Rodgers is much more accurate than Ben, much more. Ben can always say our WRs ran the wrong routes but bottom line is, the ball was not catchable.
Overall, GB deserved the W, no ifs, ands or buts.