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thumper
02-21-2011, 02:11 PM
Here is what I would try, on offense


Let's pretend, for our purposes here, that there won't
be a lock out (which we know there probably will be). The
reason it doesn't really matter is because it is not the Steeler
way to sign many FAs to begin with - and certainly they don't
sign any top $ guys, period. That being said, there are a few
considerations I make as GM.

QB - no FA QB makes sense. Actually, I would like to upgrade
our #2 from Leftwich, who is he beyond limited. And Batch has
got to retire - become our QB coach. Dixon, once promising,
clearly displayed he isn't anywhere close to being a legit NFL
QB - at least not in 2010. All that said, they will stick with Ben,
BL and Dixon. No reason to draft QB either.

RB - With Frank the Tank gone, Moore as a FA, it actually leaves
us a little thin at RB. PLUS, I would add a FB as well and end
the moronic H-back BS of Arians. We basically have Mendenhall,
Redman and Dwyer. I am still high on Dwyer, as long as they
keep the coaching on him and keep him in shape. I believe he
has a huge upside and if RM gets hurt, we will find out what
a good back he is. Redman is limited but good at short yardage -
no way an every down back. I'd look at Snelling or Evans for FA
FB or a few of the draft picks mentioned. We can probably get a
late pick RB or an undrafted free agent for another camp body
and depth, and in case on of our 3 HBs go down. I would, between
FA and the draft, add 1 FB and 1 HB. I would like an upgrade over
Moore, who seemed better in 2009 compared to 2010, where he
stopped getting those first downs for whatever reason.

WR - We got Ward, who has 1 more year left, Wallace, Sanders,
Brown, El. We could use some size here. (I am NOT going to assume
Sweed is a likely possibility here.) I don't see any FAs that jump out
at me. But I do like Courtney Smith who could be grabbed in the 5th
or 6th round. He is big, strong, fast, from a small school.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1797154

He could really be a nice addition and give us the size we are lacking
while allowing us to address our bigger needs (CB, OL, DL) with
earlier picks.

TE - Can we please end the Spaeth experiment. He has had his chances
and mostly blows the opportunities he gets. He had the game-winning catch
in his hand and just blew it. Yea, he is super tall, and he also can't catch.
We need to draft an upgrade here. Someone like Kyle Adams could be had
for a 7th or undrafted FA and give us an upgrade. At least let him see if
he can beat out Spaeth in camp. I am sick of seeing Spaeth offer nothing.

OT - They won't pursue any FA OTs. Not unless we lose even more
bodies than we gain back in camp. (That can't happen, can it?) But
I do see going fairly early in the draft for an OT - or at least I pray to
God they do. We might have to move up to get him, but Nate Solder would
be a nice pick up. Might not be ready to start year 1 but we might not need
him to. He has off the chart athletic ability and a frame to easily add
muscle to, while he is already pretty strong in the weight room.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1114291

OG/C - No FA will be added. Some think it might make sense to take
Pouncy's brother. Maybe not the worst idea, but generally using a first
rounder on an OG not the best idea, although there are exceptions. Personally
I feel we can move Colon to RG and he will do fine. Get 1 more year
from Hotel, Kemo good enough at LG. I would prefer they invest in a legit
OT more than anything. Half the guys we play there are playing out of
position. Give me a legit OT for once!

bornaSteelersfan
02-21-2011, 04:03 PM
Spaeth proved himself not to be the go to guy. None of us really think Sweed is the answer. However, we do have a guy that could become the red-zone guy: Wes Lyons. At 6'8" and 230lbs, this guy could become quickly irreplaceable. We really need to focus the draft on OL, CB, and DL.

pete74
02-21-2011, 04:34 PM
Spaeth proved himself not to be the go to guy. None of us really think Sweed is the answer. However, we do have a guy that could become the red-zone guy: Wes Lyons. At 6'8" and 230lbs, this guy could become quickly irreplaceable. We really need to focus the draft on OL, CB, and DL.

Wes Lyons will never make the team. he did nothing in college and will do nothing in the NFL.

thumper
02-21-2011, 04:37 PM
Spaeth proved himself not to be the go to guy. None of us really think Sweed is the answer. However, we do have a guy that could become the red-zone guy: Wes Lyons. At 6'8" and 230lbs, this guy could become quickly irreplaceable. We really need to focus the draft on OL, CB, and DL.

I agree with everything except Lyons being anyone we can remotely
count on to fill in the WR role. He was grossly unproductive at WVU.
Even with every possible excuse (team was run-oriented, then
switched to new offense, etc.) it still cannot excuse the near
zero productivity, especially in TD catches.

This guy won't even make the roster. If he does, I will be pleasantly
surprised. If it does, it would probably indicate he had some major
problems (substance abuse, et al) that he has now over come.

SoCalFan
02-21-2011, 04:41 PM
All the Lyons bashing here!Remember,the Steelers are great at developing raw talent.Give him a shot!

thumper
02-21-2011, 05:44 PM
All the Lyons bashing here!Remember,the Steelers are great at developing raw talent.Give him a shot!

I have nothing against "giving him a shot." I'm just not going to hold
my breath counting on him at all. There is a reason he was so
unproductive on the previous level. There are many, many players
who have the physical skills to be a football player, but just aren't
a "football player." You can be tall, big, fast and strong, but just not
have the knack for being a football player. If not, there would be
tons of track stars filling every football roster in the league.

fer522
02-21-2011, 05:57 PM
i'd give myself a pretty big raise :chuckle:

steelerchad
02-21-2011, 07:05 PM
Spaeth proved himself not to be the go to guy. None of us really think Sweed is the answer. However, we do have a guy that could become the red-zone guy: Wes Lyons. At 6'8" and 230lbs, this guy could become quickly irreplaceable. We really need to focus the draft on OL, CB, and DL.


This guy caught 42 passes his entire career at WVU. He then was though so highly by all 32 NFL teams that he didn't get drafted at all or even offered a FA rookie contract. He didn't play football last year at all in the NFL.
I think he's replaceable. Could we strike gold, I hope so. But these type projects are probably 5-10% chance of paying off.

thumper
02-22-2011, 01:45 PM
This guy caught 42 passes his entire career at WVU. He then was though so highly by all 32 NFL teams that he didn't get drafted at all or even offered a FA rookie contract. He didn't play football last year at all in the NFL.
I think he's replaceable. Could we strike gold, I hope so. But these type projects are probably 5-10% chance of paying off.

Exactly. I not against turning over every stone they can, but the odds
are this kid won't even make it through a single cut. Hope he is the
exception.

MattsMe
02-22-2011, 01:54 PM
The first thing I would do is join this board to figure out my next move. :coffee:

vasteeler
02-22-2011, 02:19 PM
The first thing I would do is join this board to figure out my next move. :coffee:

:drink:

MACH1
02-22-2011, 02:25 PM
The first thing I would do is join this board to figure out my next move. :coffee:

Then fire arians.

Atlanta Dan
02-22-2011, 02:56 PM
OT - They won't pursue any FA OTs. Not unless we lose even more
bodies than we gain back in camp. (That can't happen, can it?) But
I do see going fairly early in the draft for an OT - or at least I pray to
God they do. We might have to move up to get him, but Nate Solder would
be a nice pick up. Might not be ready to start year 1 but we might not need
him to. He has off the chart athletic ability and a frame to easily add
muscle to, while he is already pretty strong in the weight room.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1114291

OG/C - No FA will be added. Some think it might make sense to take
Pouncy's brother. Maybe not the worst idea, but generally using a first
rounder on an OG not the best idea, although there are exceptions. Personally
I feel we can move Colon to RG and he will do fine. Get 1 more year
from Hotel, Kemo good enough at LG. I would prefer they invest in a legit
OT more than anything. Half the guys we play there are playing out of
position. Give me a legit OT for once!

In his P-G chat today Ed.B. states several times he thinks it is unlikely that Colon will be signed (maybe that is why he believes there are sufficient $$ to sign Taylor:noidea:)


Do not assume, though, that Colon will be returning. His agent tells me there is little chance of that. ...

If MT is asking for Adams to come back does that mean the Steelers won't try to resign Colon? -

I believe they will make a half-hearted attempt. ...

What is the rational Colon will go? Too much money? Is his market that high even with a significant injury? That O-line needs as many bodies as possible.

I'm trusting what his agent is telling me. His name is Joe Linta and he usually has a pretty good handle on what's going on with his clients. I also think if the Steelers really valued him, they would have tried to sign him to a long-term deal last year.

http://plus.sites.post-gazette.com/index.php/chats/ed-bouchettes-chat

If Colon is gone Steelers definitely will be needing another OL high in the draft (of course if there is a lockout that runs through April they will not know for sure if Colon is gone when the draft is held)

MDSteel15
02-22-2011, 07:28 PM
First things first... Bruce You're Fired!!! :hatsoff:

QB - I would leave this alone as CBatch moves into a coaching role :thumbsup:

RB - With Mendy, Redman and Dwyer we are looking ok and since BA got canned I draft Hynoski in the 6th round of the upcoming draft!!! But yes, I definately take a look at Jason Snelling if he comes at the right price... :popcorn:

WR - This is Sweed's last shot! As much as I want him to succeed, this is it! We can take a flyer on a late rounder in the draft but I believe we are set here for a while... :coffee:

TE - Good Bye Spaeth. Jeremy Shockey just became available for back-up role... :chuckle:

OT - Sign Jared Gaither and re-sign Colon. Draft OT in the 2nd... Ben Ijalana, Villanova or Demarcus Love, Arkansas. :drink:

OG - Keep who we have and draft OG in mid rounds. James Carpenter, Alabama, Zach Hurd, Connecticut or Steve Schilling, Michigan.

Now the Bread and Butter....

LB - We just franchised Woodley so we may need to draft some backups in mid- to late rounds... Casey Matthews, Oregon , Greg Lloyd, UConn , or Mark Herzlich, Boston College.

DL - Ziggy is here to stay and I think I would let Aaron Smith know it... And I would definately try and get Iowa’s Christian Ballard, Hampton’s Kenrick Ellis or Jerrell Powe of Ole Miss in the earlier rounds of the draft.

CB - Definately re-sign Ike here. He is our #1 and can't be replaced, yet.... I go make the offer to Champ Bailey on a 2 year deal to come win a championship and draft Jimmy Smith, Colorado or Aaron Williams, Texas in the 1st! Sorry Madison, but you got to go!

S - Try and draft somebody in the middle to late rounds like Tyler Sash, Iowa or TCU's Tejay Johnson...

K - DRAFT Nebraska's Henery....

MDSteel15
02-22-2011, 07:42 PM
Forget about Bailey, he just signed a 4 year extension :banging:

pete74
02-22-2011, 07:42 PM
First things first... Bruce You're Fired!!! :hatsoff:

QB - I would leave this alone as CBatch moves into a coaching role :thumbsup:

RB - With Mendy, Redman and Dwyer we are looking ok and since BA got canned I draft Hynoski in the 6th round of the upcoming draft!!! But yes, I definately take a look at Jason Snelling if he comes at the right price... :popcorn:

WR - This is Sweed's last shot! As much as I want him to succeed, this is it! We can take a flyer on a late rounder in the draft but I believe we are set here for a while... :coffee:

TE - Good Bye Spaeth. Jeremy Shockey just became available for back-up role... :chuckle:

OT - Sign Jared Gaither and re-sign Colon. Draft OT in the 2nd... Ben Ijalana, Villanova or Demarcus Love, Arkansas. :drink:

OG - Keep who we have and draft OG in mid rounds. James Carpenter, Alabama, Zach Hurd, Connecticut or Steve Schilling, Michigan.

Now the Bread and Butter....

LB - We just franchised Woodley so we may need to draft some backups in mid- to late rounds... Casey Matthews, Oregon , Greg Lloyd, UConn , or Mark Herzlich, Boston College.

DL - Ziggy is here to stay and I think I would let Aaron Smith know it... And I would definately try and get Iowa’s Christian Ballard, Hampton’s Kenrick Ellis or Jerrell Powe of Ole Miss in the earlier rounds of the draft.

CB - Definately re-sign Ike here. He is our #1 and can't be replaced, yet.... I go make the offer to Champ Bailey on a 2 year deal to come win a championship and draft Jimmy Smith, Colorado or Aaron Williams, Texas in the 1st! Sorry Madison, but you got to go!

S - Try and draft somebody in the middle to late rounds like Tyler Sash, Iowa or TCU's Tejay Johnson...

K - DRAFT Nebraska's Henery....

Bailey is signed in Denver so thats out of the question

MDSteel15
02-22-2011, 07:43 PM
Forget about Bailey, he just signed a 4 year extension.... so make it Johnathan Joseph of CIN!!!

LW56
02-22-2011, 07:45 PM
What I would do is study Mike Brown and learn what NOT to do.

Atlanta Dan
02-22-2011, 07:51 PM
Forget about Bailey, he just signed a 4 year extension :banging:

I never saw Bailey coming to Pittsburgh - what it does is take a CB off the market, which both sets a price for Taylor's services and may force a team to bid higher for Ike since the Champ Bailey alternative is not there

steeltheone
02-22-2011, 08:49 PM
Dwyer is nothing but a camp runner at this point. We should want nothing to do with F. Adams unless its bottom dollar. 1 mill is even to much.

PhantomJB93
02-22-2011, 08:59 PM
First step: Fire Arians, let Ben run offense. Don't even hire a real OC.

QB: Don't do anything revolutionary, maybe let Byron go simply for monetary concerns (IDK how much he makes but it may be better spent elsewhere) but I keep both Batch and Dixon at least.

RB: Get rid of Moore, promote Dwyer to 3rd string RB

FB: Draft a FB in 6th or 7th round and use relatively often

WR: Ditch Battle and Randle El, keep Sweed as 5th WR, sign Lyons to practice squad to try and hone his skills

TE: Let both Spaeth and Johnson go and sign somebody...maybe Kevin Boss if he doesn't resign in New York?

OL: Keep Flozell, let Colon walk, draft either Mike Pouncey or Stefen Wisniewski in the first if the right CB isn't there, if the right CB is there trade up very far in second round to secure at least Wisniewski. Draft an OT in later rounds if there is a particular steal OR draft one next year. Keep Legursky as a servicable backup, let Trai Essex go, Ramon Foster can be a backup tackle, start lineup of Starks-Kemo-Pouncey-Rookie-Adams.

DL: Draft a NT in round 3 or 4, cut Aaron Smith (not that I dont appreciate his talents but Hood has stepped into his role and I dont know if the 6 games we can have Smith for are worth the money we are paying him)

OLB: Draft OLB in rounds 4 or 5, we could use another backup besides Worilds

ILB: Cut Keyaron Fox...that's about it. Let Sylvester get some playing time this year

CB: Resign Ike, cap space gained from cutting Aaron Smith should help. Sign a free agent, obviously Nnamdi would be great and would be my top priority but if he will not come at the right price a guy like Jonathan Joseph or Richard Marshall will do just fine, need not be "elite" as long as they can hold their own and not be a scrub. Draft Aaron Williams or Jimmy Smith if they are available at pick 31, otherwise draft OG and trade up to draft a CB in the second. Let Crezdon Butler and Rookie compete for nickel corner spot. Cut Bryant Mcfadden and Keenan Lewis. Keep William Gay, but only let him see playing time in dime packages and mostly use him for blitzing purposes.

S: Cut Will Allen, shift newly acquired Donovan Warren to safety from CB and let him compete with Ryan Mundy for playing time.

P: Resign Sepulveda, let Kapinos go

K: Resign Suisham for another year, he seemed okay. If he disappointes next year, draft a kicker next offseason, but for now I'm willing to see if he can keep up his success.

steeltheone
02-23-2011, 10:32 AM
Having to use these tags because we have nobody even close to jump in and play is new territory for the Steelers.

thumper
02-23-2011, 12:33 PM
First step: Fire Arians, let Ben run offense. Don't even hire a real OC.

I would love this but too bad it's just a pipe dream.

QB: Don't do anything revolutionary, maybe let Byron go simply for monetary concerns (IDK how much he makes but it may be better spent elsewhere) but I keep both Batch and Dixon at least.

I don't mind ditching BL, but I am not sure we can count on
Batch as a legit back up - just too old. He did "ok" last year
but I think this could be it for him. I would keep Dixon 1 more
year to see if he can develop a little more. Have no idea if
he will but he's worth the effort for 2011. IF they agree Batch
is too old, pick up a low-level QB of FA. Someone like Tyler
Thigpen - has to be bargain price.

RB: Get rid of Moore, promote Dwyer to 3rd string RB

I liked Moore when they picked him up and he has served us
well. But last year, he seemed lacking and I'd like to see Dwyer
get some touches - although I don't know if he has the skill set
for a 3rd down back, but I think he does. He has a huge upside
compared to MM. Mendy, Redman and Dwyer would be a decent
group as long as they add in a FB who can also carry a few times
if we need him too.

FB: Draft a FB in 6th or 7th round and use relatively often

Yes.

WR: Ditch Battle and Randle El, keep Sweed as 5th WR, sign Lyons to practice squad to try and hone his skills

I'd only say to do this if Sweed WINS the position. No way do I
just PLAN on this and assume he is going to all of a sudden be
decent. He hasn't shown ANYTHING yet and is coming off an
injury that can end careers. Even without the injury his chances
of producing are slim. I would keep El around 1 more year if
Sweed still sucks. El isn't all that, but he is a good team guy and
did show he had a few plays left in him last year. Plus, with Sanders
and Brown no longer being rookies, and Wallace one more year
in, the #4 WR won't be needed very often.

TE: Let both Spaeth and Johnson go and sign somebody...maybe Kevin Boss if he doesn't resign in New York?

Agree to let them go; don't agree Boss would be a good signing
as he would be too expensive. TEs can be found late in the draft
or as undrafted FAs. Or maybe pick a guy from this lower tier group.

Ben Patrick (ARZ)
Dante Rosario (CAR)
Jeff King (CAR)
Desmond Clark (CHI)
Reggie Kelly (CIN)
Alex Smith (CLE)
Leonard Pope (KC)
Joey Haynos (MIA)
David Thomas (NO)
Matt Spaeth (PIT)
Kris Wilson (SD)
Randy McMichael (SD)
Daniel Fells (STL)
John Gilmore (TB)
Bo Scaife (TEN)

OL: Keep Flozell, let Colon walk, draft either Mike Pouncey or Stefen Wisniewski in the first if the right CB isn't there, if the right CB is there trade up very far in second round to secure at least Wisniewski. Draft an OT in later rounds if there is a particular steal OR draft one next year. Keep Legursky as a servicable backup, let Trai Essex go, Ramon Foster can be a backup tackle, start lineup of Starks-Kemo-Pouncey-Rookie-Adams.

I might be hesitant to let Essex go only b/c he is so versatile. Agree
with everything else. Although I might keep Colon to play RG, which
would probably be better than having to use a 1st round on a rookie.
We know Colon could fill that role.

DL: Draft a NT in round 3 or 4, cut Aaron Smith (not that I dont appreciate his talents but Hood has stepped into his role and I dont know if the 6 games we can have Smith for are worth the money we are paying him)

I doubt they will do this. They won't dump Smith unless it's clear
he can't play. If he is healthy by final cuts, he will be here. But it does
seem silly to keep a guy who is that old when we have Hood right there
ready to hit his prime.

OLB: Draft OLB in rounds 4 or 5, we could use another backup besides Worilds

Another draft pick on a LB?

ILB: Cut Keyaron Fox...that's about it. Let Sylvester get some playing time this year

CB: Resign Ike, cap space gained from cutting Aaron Smith should help. Sign a free agent, obviously Nnamdi would be great and would be my top priority but if he will not come at the right price a guy like Jonathan Joseph or Richard Marshall will do just fine, need not be "elite" as long as they can hold their own and not be a scrub. Draft Aaron Williams or Jimmy Smith if they are available at pick 31, otherwise draft OG and trade up to draft a CB in the second. Let Crezdon Butler and Rookie compete for nickel corner spot. Cut Bryant Mcfadden and Keenan Lewis. Keep William Gay, but only let him see playing time in dime packages and mostly use him for blitzing purposes.

Gay is a good slot CB. He only has problems when force to play
outside CB. McFadden had hip and ab injuries. Don't assume
he sucks - no one can play CB well with those injuries. We might
as well stop talking about Nnamdi - that is just NOT a signing
Pgh makes, period.

S: Cut Will Allen, shift newly acquired Donovan Warren to safety from CB and let him compete with Ryan Mundy for playing time.

Mundy BLOWS

P: Resign Sepulveda, let Kapinos go

K: Resign Suisham for another year, he seemed okay. If he disappointes next year, draft a kicker next offseason, but for now I'm willing to see if he can keep up his success.

Not sold on re-signing Sepulveda - too many blown out knees. Maybe
its time to move on. He was on major juice in college. Now he is no
longer Super man.