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thumper
03-02-2011, 12:09 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/tb/b8jxQ

I hate to say it, but once athletes have to go for back
surgery, it's over. And the fact that he had to have a 2nd
cutting is especially worrisome.

Now, add in that his position/style is about as physical
as you can get, I am concerned this could be the
beginning of the end for one of our very best players,
and one of the best defenders in the entire NFL.

I don't know if I have ever seen an athlete get back
surgery and come back. Back surgeries are not always effective
even for non-athletes.

SteelCityMom
03-02-2011, 12:25 PM
Mario Lemieux?

He had back surgery in 1990 to fix a herniated disc, missed 50 games and returned to lead the NHL playoffs in scoring, win the Stanley Cup and the Conn Smythe.

The next year, despite missing 20+ games, he won the scoring title (Art Ross), led the playoffs in scoring again and won another Stanley Cup and Conn Smythe.

The year after that he missed 2 months while going through radiation treatment for Hodgkins, played on the last day of his treatment and went on to win another scoring title for the year.

As if that wasn't enough...he underwent a 2nd back surgery the next year and missed 50+ games. Announced he was going to take a leave of absence the next season (which happened to be a shortened one due to lockout) and returned the next year ('95) to win another Art Ross.

He won his 6th Art Ross the next year. Then he retired for 3 years and came back in 2000.

While injuries certainly shortened his career...they didn't bring it to a halt. I'm not saying James will have the same experience, but it's certainly possible to recover and keep playing for a few more years.

tony hipchest
03-02-2011, 12:29 PM
I don't know if I have ever seen an athlete get back
surgery and come back. Back surgeries are not always effective
even for non-athletes.

dale earnhardt.

not only did he come back, he came back as good as ever (and that was with a broken neck).

thumper
03-02-2011, 01:12 PM
Mario Lemieux?

He had back surgery in 1990 to fix a herniated disc, missed 50 games and returned to lead the NHL playoffs in scoring, win the Stanley Cup and the Conn Smythe.

The next year, despite missing 20+ games, he won the scoring title (Art Ross), led the playoffs in scoring again and won another Stanley Cup and Conn Smythe.

The year after that he missed 2 months while going through radiation treatment for Hodgkins, played on the last day of his treatment and went on to win another scoring title for the year.

As if that wasn't enough...he underwent a 2nd back surgery the next year and missed 50+ games. Announced he was going to take a leave of absence the next season (which happened to be a shortened one due to lockout) and returned the next year ('95) to win another Art Ross.

He won his 6th Art Ross the next year. Then he retired for 3 years and came back in 2000.

While injuries certainly shortened his career...they didn't bring it to a halt. I'm not saying James will have the same experience, but it's certainly possible to recover and keep playing for a few more years.

1.) It's hockey. And ML's style was not one where he is looking for
contact, he looks to avoid it. There is a reason hockey players can
play every night and play into their 40s: it's no where near as tough
on the body as is football. Ice makes the hits much less brutal,
GENERALLY speaking.

2. Even though ML did keep coming back after various back
surgeries, he also DID miss a boatload of games in that same
span.

Find me a LB who came back from back surgery and went on to
play a long, productive span of games.

thumper
03-02-2011, 01:15 PM
dale earnhardt.

not only did he come back, he came back as good as ever (and that was with a broken neck).

OK, sitting behind a wheel in a car vs. playing LB in the NFL.
Should we also include Aunt Bessie's career at sewing
after back surgery in the mix of examples as well?

TRH
03-02-2011, 02:07 PM
dale earnhardt.

not only did he come back, he came back as good as ever (and that was with a broken neck).

Dale Earnhardt wasn't an athlete. A great race car driver?...for sure!
But not an athlete.
Guess we'll see how this plays out. This is Harrison's final contract.

thumper
03-02-2011, 02:40 PM
Dale Earnhardt wasn't an athlete. A great race car driver?...for sure!
But not an athlete.
Guess we'll see how this plays out. This is Harrison's final contract.

Things can unravel very quickly with an older team.
Imagine if Harrison is done. Troy remains not himself.
Smith goes down again. Keisel is about done. Farrior
is 36. Hines is as well.

We could go from a contender to 8-8 in a blink of the eye.

SteelCityMom
03-02-2011, 02:48 PM
1.) It's hockey. And ML's style was not one where he is looking for
contact, he looks to avoid it. There is a reason hockey players can
play every night and play into their 40s: it's no where near as tough
on the body as is football. Ice makes the hits much less brutal,
GENERALLY speaking.

Both sports are extremely physically demanding. Even when Mario missed a lot of games, he was still playing more and practicing more with less time off than an average football player would. I wouldn't ever say the hits are more brutal in football, but they are more regular. As far as physically demanding goes...NHLers play more games, more minutes, in much larger spurts/shift, practice and train more...all with shorter offseasons. You can claim that because they don't get hit as often (which they do get hit often, maybe even near the same amount as an NFLer when you consider they play 82 games and not 16, and typically get hit AT LEAST once or twice/game...not including playoffs), and that's the reason they have longer careers...I think it's because they are tougher. I know many (you included) will not agree with me, but that's my opinion after watching both games for 2 1/2 decades.

Where you get the idea that ice makes a hit less brutal than grass or turf would is beyond me. Especially when you factor in that NHLers wear less padding (both on body and helmets) than NFLers. I'd rather get driven onto the grass than onto a solid sheet of ice...but that's just me lol.

Nevermind that these guys are playing with razor sharp blades on their feet and swinging wooden sticks and slapping pucks (as fast and faster than driving speed limits in any country) at each other.

2. Even though ML did keep coming back after various back
surgeries, he also DID miss a boatload of games in that same
span.

Find me a LB who came back from back surgery and went on to
play a long, productive span of games.

I'm not going to sit here and search through every linebacker in the NFLs history to try and find one who kept playing after back surgery. In the leagues history though, I'm sure there's more than one. Your original statement was "athlete", not "linebacker" though.

thumper
03-02-2011, 03:09 PM
Both sports are extremely physically demanding. Even when Mario missed a lot of games, he was still playing more and practicing more with less time off than an average football player would. I wouldn't ever say the hits are more brutal in football, but they are more regular. As far as physically demanding goes...NHLers play more games, more minutes, in much larger spurts/shift, practice and train more...all with shorter offseasons. You can claim that because they don't get hit as often (which they do get hit often, maybe even near the same amount as an NFLer when you consider they play 82 games and not 16, and typically get hit AT LEAST once or twice/game...not including playoffs), and that's the reason they have longer careers...I think it's because they are tougher. I know many (you included) will not agree with me, but that's my opinion after watching both games for 2 1/2 decades.

Where you get the idea that ice makes a hit less brutal than grass or turf would is beyond me. Especially when you factor in that NHLers wear less padding (both on body and helmets) than NFLers. I'd rather get driven onto the grass than onto a solid sheet of ice...but that's just me lol.

Nevermind that these guys are playing with razor sharp blades on their feet and swinging wooden sticks and slapping pucks (as fast and faster than driving speed limits in any country) at each other.



I'm not going to sit here and search through every linebacker in the NFLs history to try and find one who kept playing after back surgery. In the leagues history though, I'm sure there's more than one. Your original statement was "athlete", not "linebacker" though.

Well, the fact that NHL players __ can __ play every night tells me
that it is less demanding. Can you imagine NFL players playing
many consecutive nights, of at least every other night, for 6 months?
It simply wouldn't be possible, unless you had like enough players
to field 3 teams and rotated players. That alone proves football
is the more brutal sport. If not, NHL players could not play as often
as they do, period. Not saying it's not a sport that is immensely draining,
requiring the highest levels of conditioning and toughness. But it isn't
the NFL, in terms of the how brutal it is on the wear and tear of the body.

Remember when Marvel Smith had back surgery? He was never the same,
and ended up retiring. Remember when Larry Bird's back started to go?
Never the same. Harrison also seems to pack a lot of muscle and size
on a frame that's not that large. That also can contribute to the body busting
up and breaking done.

If you want to find exceptions to the rule, you can. But that is what they are:
EXCEPTIONS to the rule.

And with Mario, he was one of the greatest players to ever put on skates.
Even a dinged Mario, playing with a bad back, is still a great player, since
he was so awesome to begin with.

Harrison is on 100% blast every play, going head to head with men
who have 100lbs on him. He can't do that with a bad back.

MattsMe
03-02-2011, 03:10 PM
Your original statement was "athlete", not "linebacker" though.

But then you went and proved his
argument wrong. So he changed
it. I will tell you one thing though.
Once a thread turns into an
argument over ice vs. grass, it is
almost impossible to bring it back
on topic. Name me one thread in
the history of message boards
that has come back on topic after
not just one, but two posts about
ice. Perhaps I'm wrong about that
and if I am, then name me one
thread that was created on an odd
numbered thursday by someone
whose username starts with a
number between 1 and 4, and
who had more than 11,235 posts
at the time of creating the thread.


If you can do that, I will admit I was wrong.

steeltheone
03-02-2011, 03:22 PM
This is a real concern. A injury riddled year by Harrison would not be good.

thumper
03-02-2011, 03:23 PM
But then you went and proved his
argument wrong. So he changed
it. I will tell you one thing though.
Once a thread turns into an
argument over ice vs. grass, it is
almost impossible to bring it back
on topic. Name me one thread in
the history of message boards
that has come back on topic after
not just one, but two posts about
ice. Perhaps I'm wrong about that
and if I am, then name me one
thread that was created on an odd
numbered thursday by someone
whose username starts with a
number between 1 and 4, and
who had more than 11,235 posts
at the time of creating the thread.


If you can do that, I will admit I was wrong.

Finding an exception to the rule doesn't change that
the rule is the rule. There are always exceptions. Most
women are weaker, physically to most men. That is the
rule. But you can find women who are stronger than most
men. Does that change the accepted, known rule? Nope.
Not at all.

How many NFL players remain a top player a their position
after back surgery? How many still make a roster for more
than 1 year? Oh wait, but Mario played for a while after back
surgery, and Aunt Bessie was still a sewing champ after her
surgery as well.

SteelCityMom
03-02-2011, 03:24 PM
Well, the fact that NHL players __ can __ play every night tells me
that it is less demanding. Can you imagine NFL players playing
many consecutive nights, of at least every other night, for 6 months?
It simply wouldn't be possible, unless you had like enough players
to field 3 teams and rotated players. That alone proves football
is the more brutal sport. If not, NHL players could not play as often
as they do, period. Not saying it's not a sport that is immensely draining,
requiring the highest levels of conditioning and toughness. But it isn't
the NFL, in terms of the how brutal it is on the wear and tear of the body.

That's your opinion, and that's fine...I gave you reasons for mine. I'm not trying to turn this thread into who's tougher, NHLers or NFLers (even though I know I'm the one who kept the argument going with my previous post)...neither of us will change the others mind I'm sure.

Remember when Marvel Smith had back surgery? He was never the same,
and ended up retiring. Remember when Larry Bird's back started to go?
Never the same. Harrison also seems to pack a lot of muscle and size
on a frame that's not that large. That also can contribute to the body busting
up and breaking done.

If you want to find exceptions to the rule, you can. But that is what they are:
EXCEPTIONS to the rule.

And with Mario, he was one of the greatest players to ever put on skates.
Even a dinged Mario, playing with a bad back, is still a great player, since
he was so awesome to begin with.

Harrison is on 100% blast every play, going head to head with men
who have 100lbs on him. He can't do that with a bad back.

First off, I think it's funny that I used Mario as an example...and that wasn't good enough because he's a hockey player, then you use an NBA player as an example??? Ok.

I never claimed that coming back from a back injury was the norm. You stated that you couldn't think of an athlete that had, and I provided an example of one who did (despite still missing games and going through further injuries, he continued to excel at an extremely high level)....that's all. Not my fault you read more into it than there really was.

Is it possible that this surgery will further shorten Harrison's career? Of course. But there's a good chance that it won't either, especially if this year goes into lock out and he has an entire season to continue to heal from it.

thumper
03-02-2011, 03:26 PM
This is a real concern. A injury riddled year by Harrison would not be good.

It would be far worse than not good. I know they all chimed in
about how Aaron Smith was the "heart and soul of the defense."
But let's not kid ourselves: Harrison is more likely deserving of
that title. He is a beast who brings mad intensity and brutal hits
that other teams hate. He is a very rare level of maniac punisher
who can do it all. Losing him would be a big blow. And if Troy is
hampered with an Achilles, that's a very dark picture. This offense,
especially with Arians calling plays, is simply not all that good if
not paired with a top shelf defense. It could look like 2009 very
quickly.

kirklandrules
03-02-2011, 04:32 PM
“They got rid of something, and found a little more,” Parisi said.

"Found a little more" is code for the surgeon dropped his chewing gum and they found it on the x-rays.

fer522
03-02-2011, 04:44 PM
i came back from back surgery
and i still hang gutters like there's no tomorrow
thank you :thumbsup:

thumper
03-02-2011, 04:53 PM
That's your opinion, and that's fine...I gave you reasons for mine. I'm not trying to turn this thread into who's tougher, NHLers or NFLers (even though I know I'm the one who kept the argument going with my previous post)...neither of us will change the others mind I'm sure.



First off, I think it's funny that I used Mario as an example...and that wasn't good enough because he's a hockey player, then you use an NBA player as an example??? Ok.

I never claimed that coming back from a back injury was the norm. You stated that you couldn't think of an athlete that had, and I provided an example of one who did (despite still missing games and going through further injuries, he continued to excel at an extremely high level)....that's all. Not my fault you read more into it than there really was.

Is it possible that this surgery will further shorten Harrison's career? Of course. But there's a good chance that it won't either, especially if this year goes into lock out and he has an entire season to continue to heal from it.

Sigh. If the game of hockey was as hard as football on the body,
they'd only be playing 1 game a week, like football. If football
was as easy on the body as hockey, they'd play more than 1 game
a week for only 16 weeks.

That alone ends the debate.

Hockey players may be "tougher" in terms of being tough
guys, with fighting, losing teeth and all that, but the game
itself is NOT as hard on the body or they couldn't play it
so much and so often. End of discussion

tony hipchest
03-02-2011, 05:08 PM
OK, sitting behind a wheel in a car vs. playing LB in the NFL.
Should we also include Aunt Bessie's career at sewing
after back surgery in the mix of examples as well?

Dale Earnhardt wasn't an athlete. A great race car driver?...for sure!
But not an athlete.
:rofl:

lets not forget that james harrison gets to sit on the bench for about 30 minutes in every 60 minute game.

lets also not forget that earnhardt died with said neck cracking the base of his skull when his head tried to come flying off his skull.

if dale earnhardt could return after surgery on his broken kneck and do what he did, james harrison should be able to come out of the tunnel on opening day doing back flips.

after all, he IS a suprememe athelete above all other atheletes, right?.

thumper
03-02-2011, 05:13 PM
i came back from back surgery
and i still hang gutters like there's no tomorrow
thank you :thumbsup:

Back surgery can be successful for those us of living relatively
normal lives (but not always). But the majority of football players
who go in for back surgery don't go on to long, productive stints
afterwards. Remember Marvel Smith?

tony hipchest
03-02-2011, 05:17 PM
Remember Marvel Smith?now theres a fine physical specimen. :rolleyes:

most linemen are just huge and fat, not atheletes. remember bungles andrae smith?

SteelCityMom
03-02-2011, 06:07 PM
Sigh. If the game of hockey was as hard as football on the body,
they'd only be playing 1 game a week, like football. If football
was as easy on the body as hockey, they'd play more than 1 game
a week for only 16 weeks.

That alone ends the debate.

Hockey players may be "tougher" in terms of being tough
guys, with fighting, losing teeth and all that, but the game
itself is NOT as hard on the body or they couldn't play it
so much and so often. End of discussion

*Sigh* Again, that's your opinion of it. Nothing more, nothing less. Your assumptions and opinions don't make it fact, just like my assumptions and opinions don't make it fact either. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that you've never played either (beyond a high school level), and so you are as much of an authority on the subject as I am. I think the amount of training, practice, length of sustained game shifts and much shorter down time (meaning less time to heal from normal dings and insignificant injuries) means more wear and tear on the body for hockey players...you don't. That's fine. You can call for end of discussion all you want, but opinions are never that. All it means is that's the end of the discussion for you.

I stated the basis of my reasons, you stated yours...and as I said in my previous post, pretty much any discussion on this is just going off topic and it's pretty clear what either of us has to say on it is not going to sway the other.

fer522
03-02-2011, 08:05 PM
i came back from back surgery
and i still hang gutters like there's no tomorrow
thank you :thumbsup:

Back surgery can be successful for those us of living relatively
normal lives (but not always). But the majority of football players
who go in for back surgery don't go on to long, productive stints
afterwards. Remember Marvel Smith?

actually i was just being sarcastic
my back hurts like a mother f***er
i have good day and really bad days
sometimes even when i sneeze it starts to hurt
so i can only imagine what it'll be like for a football players to
have back surgery and have to go up against 300 lb. lineman
i just hope that he'll be ready to go next season
IF there's a next season

theplatypus
03-02-2011, 08:18 PM
Lead study author Dr. Joseph Weistroffer and Dr. Wellington Hsu of the Northwestern University Feinberg School of Medicine and Northwestern Memorial Hospital examined two decades of public records on 52 NFL offensive and defensive linemen who had herniated disc surgery during their careers.

Eighty percent of NFL lineman were able to play an average of 33 games after the surgery, and more than half were starters.

Read more: http://www.upi.com/Health_News/2011/01/21/After-back-surgery-most-NFL-players-return/UPI-41161295645229/#ixzz1FUkiyMtv



Will this do? T

mesaSteeler
03-02-2011, 10:14 PM
Steeler Rapid Reports
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/teams/page/PIT/pittsburgh-steelers

Mar. 2, 2011 11:04 a.m. - LB James Harrison returned Wednesday for a second back surgery -- 10 days after the first. He wrote on his Facebook: “Oh, well, better to have caught it now instead of a month from now.” He had felt well enough to ride in a car one-hour each way Sunday and shop at a hunting-fishing outlet.

Mar. 2, 2011 11:19 a.m. - Despite the two back surgeries coming within a 10-day window, LB James Harrison said this second procedure Wednesday should delay his recovery by one week -- from five weeks to six.


Steelers RapidReports

El-Gonzo Jackson
03-02-2011, 10:59 PM
Will this do? T

Nice find!!


Honestly, do we even know what the 2nd surgery was?? Was it just removal of more herniated disc??

Really, without knowing what part of the back and the actual type of procedure it was, then its hard to speculate. "Back Surgery" is so general. Lots of differences between a discectomy, laminectomy, PLIF(posterior lumbar intervertebral fusion), kyphoplasty, etc.

I think Harrison is gonna be fine if its just another piece of disc being removed.

TRH
03-03-2011, 07:51 AM
[QUOTE=tony hipchest;923826]:rofl:

lets not forget that james harrison gets to sit on the bench for about 30 minutes in every 60 minute game.

lets also not forget that earnhardt died with said neck cracking the base of his skull when his head tried to come flying off his skull.

if dale earnhardt could return after surgery on his broken kneck and do what he did, james harrison should be able to come out of the tunnel on opening day doing back flips.

QUOTE]



backflips have nothing to do with it, nor sitting while the offense is on the field. . Earnhardt still wasn't an athlete. Simple. Drivers are not athletes.

Too bad he died though, i liked the guy a lot.

tony hipchest
03-03-2011, 11:19 AM
backflips have nothing to do with it, nor sitting while the offense is on the field. . Earnhardt still wasn't an athlete. Simple. Drivers are not athletes.

Too bad he died though, i liked the guy a lot.

im gonna make this simple. despite what you believe or what your opinion is the fact remains that these particular drivers who compete in a skilled sport are atheletes by definition. mail truck drivers?
not so much.

ath·lete noun \ˈath-ˌlēt, ÷ˈa-thə-ˌlēt\
Definition of ATHLETE
: a person who is trained or skilled in exercises, sports, or games requiring physical strength, agility, or stamina


and racing is most certainly a sport. it stems from the most ancient sport. the human species has been racing against eachother since the dawn of time.

ever since the 1st 2 people sprouted legs and grew feet there was competition to see who was faster. its in our genetic make-up. its a basic part of "survival of the fittest".

the very first olympics were a simple footrace.

ive hear all the arguments before. track and field is not a game. golf is a game but not a sport. gymnanstic are neither a game or a sport.

however tha participants are atheletes.

stb_steeler
03-03-2011, 11:39 AM
[QUOTE=tony hipchest;923826]:rofl:

lets not forget that james harrison gets to sit on the bench for about 30 minutes in every 60 minute game.

lets also not forget that earnhardt died with said neck cracking the base of his skull when his head tried to come flying off his skull.

if dale earnhardt could return after surgery on his broken kneck and do what he did, james harrison should be able to come out of the tunnel on opening day doing back flips.

QUOTE]



backflips have nothing to do with it, nor sitting while the offense is on the field. . Earnhardt still wasn't an athlete. Simple. Drivers are not athletes.

Too bad he died though, i liked the guy a lot.

So what your sayin is....Racing a car for 300 laps doesnt take any physical ability?....Id almost bet if you'd ask a football player if they would rather drive a race car for 300 laps or play football id bet ya the answer is football. It takes alot of physical and mental ability to race a car for hours on end. I used to drag race my Chevelle in quarter mile drag races and i can tell ya i takes more out of ya than u think.

SteelersinCA
03-03-2011, 11:53 AM
Finding an exception to the rule doesn't change that
the rule is the rule. There are always exceptions. Most
women are weaker, physically to most men. That is the
rule. But you can find women who are stronger than most
men. Does that change the accepted, known rule? Nope.
Not at all.

How many NFL players remain a top player a their position
after back surgery? How many still make a roster for more
than 1 year? Oh wait, but Mario played for a while after back
surgery, and Aunt Bessie was still a sewing champ after her
surgery as well.

I'm wondering if you can give me a list of NFL players that have had back surgery and not come back? Marvel Smith is not a list. If this is a rule, as you say, this should be a fairly easy task. Oh and don't forget to mention the article already referenced above. :thumbsup::popcorn:

SteelersinCA
03-03-2011, 11:57 AM
im gonna make this simple. despite what you believe or what your opinion is the fact remains that these particular drivers who compete in a skilled sport are atheletes by definition. mail truck drivers?
not so much.

ath·lete noun \ˈath-ˌlēt, ÷ˈa-thə-ˌlēt\
Definition of ATHLETE
: a person who is trained or skilled in exercises, sports, or games requiring physical strength, agility, or stamina


and racing is most certainly a sport. it stems from the most ancient sport. the human species has been racing against eachother since the dawn of time.

ever since the 1st 2 people sprouted legs and grew feet there was competition to see who was faster. its in our genetic make-up. its a basic part of "survival of the fittest".

the very first olympics were a simple footrace.

ive hear all the arguments before. track and field is not a game. golf is a game but not a sport. gymnanstic are neither a game or a sport.

however tha participants are atheletes.

Racecar drivers are nothing more than inbred chicken shi*t entertainers. After all they can drive 3 races in one weekend, how is that an athlete? Baseball players, don't even do 3 games in a weekend. Clearly if you can do 3 of something in a weekend you are not an athlete. I mean can you imagine an NFL player playing 3 games in a weekend. That would be ridiculous. All they do is sit on a chair and piss themselves. I do that every time I get drunk, does that mean I'm a racecar driver? P*ssies, all of them. :flap::rolleyes:


:stirthepot:

thumper
03-03-2011, 04:17 PM
actually i was just being sarcastic
my back hurts like a mother f***er
i have good day and really bad days
sometimes even when i sneeze it starts to hurt
so i can only imagine what it'll be like for a football players to
have back surgery and have to go up against 300 lb. lineman
i just hope that he'll be ready to go next season
IF there's a next season

Have you looked into going to a decompression specialist?
I know they are effective for some % of people with back
problems. Even those who have had surgery already. I
occasionally have mine go out, and when it does, it feels
like you will never be right again.

thumper
03-03-2011, 04:21 PM
Will this do? T

That is very interesting, but I do NOT believe it goes deep
enough to tell the whole story. Marvel "came back" from
back surgery, but never was able to stay healthy for any
length of time. Is that also the way the others "came back"
as well? I don't know. The data doesn't reveal that part.
I believe Marvel even got another team to sign him after it
was apparent, at least to me, that he was shot. I believe
SF signed him if I recall correctly.

Sorry. I see it did specify they came back and averaged
another 33 games, which is pretty much 2 seasons worth.
To me, that does as much to indicate they were short timers
after surgery than it does prove you could resume to being
fully back. I could see it argued either way.

thumper
03-03-2011, 04:36 PM
Racecar drivers are nothing more than inbred chicken shi*t entertainers. After all they can drive 3 races in one weekend, how is that an athlete? Baseball players, don't even do 3 games in a weekend. Clearly if you can do 3 of something in a weekend you are not an athlete. I mean can you imagine an NFL player playing 3 games in a weekend. That would be ridiculous. All they do is sit on a chair and piss themselves. I do that every time I get drunk, does that mean I'm a racecar driver? P*ssies, all of them. :flap::rolleyes:


:stirthepot:

I think they are in some kind of decent shape to drive that many laps
that often. But it is hardly comparable to playing in an NFL game. It
would take some physical endurance AND mental endurance to
pull that off, but please, I am pretty sure it's easier on the back
to drive a car than it is to play football. The hockey claim was bad
enough but this is just loco.

theplatypus
03-03-2011, 06:13 PM
That is very interesting, but I do NOT believe it goes deep
enough to tell the whole story. Marvel "came back" from
back surgery, but never was able to stay healthy for any
length of time. Is that also the way the others "came back"
as well? I don't know. The data doesn't reveal that part.
I believe Marvel even got another team to sign him after it
was apparent, at least to me, that he was shot. I believe
SF signed him if I recall correctly.

Sorry. I see it did specify they came back and averaged
another 33 games, which is pretty much 2 seasons worth.
To me, that does as much to indicate they were short timers
after surgery than it does prove you could resume to being
fully back. I could see it argued either way.

Now you're just making assumptions because you don't want to admit that you are wrong. Additionally Steven Jackson had surgery to repair a herniated disk 10 months ago and played this season(can't believe I forgot about that).

shovelnose
03-04-2011, 08:34 PM
I think they are in some kind of decent shape to drive that many laps
that often. But it is hardly comparable to playing in an NFL game. It
would take some physical endurance AND mental endurance to
pull that off, but please, I am pretty sure it's easier on the back
to drive a car than it is to play football. The hockey claim was bad
enough but this is just loco.

I know driving for a few hours in my daily driver starts to hurt my back. Never mind 200mph door to door in a 140deg car that rides stiff as rock! These aren't the old boys anymore. They are on there game! I'm not even a big Nascar fan but I defiantly think they are athletes. Much like I hate baseball but they are athletes in every sense of the word.

As far as impact, football may top them all per plays made over a career. 1000 hits in football may be just the same as 5000 in hockey. But most athletes live with many ailments long after there careers are over. Ask Bobby Orr or Marty Mc Soreley.

As for Jame Harrison. Second surgery could be something they missed and of no consequence of the first. And they "say" the first wasn't a big deal.

Heck the other day a friend of a friend had to get a quadruple bypass then they had to open them back up the next day because they left a spring behind there heart.

My back comes and goes and I'm no athlete. Usually when I throw it out it's doing nothing physically demanding. Go figure.

Only time will tell if James is back to 100%

ggoldman
03-05-2011, 12:57 AM
Nothing can stop James Harrison from playing, he is the toughest player in the NFL

thumper
03-05-2011, 02:20 PM
Nothing can stop James Harrison from playing, he is the toughest player in the NFL

James is the baddest MF there is. But a bad back makes
cowards of us all. Not even bad ass James can play if
his back is jacked up. Not even James.

steelerchad
03-05-2011, 02:32 PM
This probably the beginning of the end for Harrison. I already thought 2011 would be his last year with the Steelers. If he shows the slightest decline this year from his back injury that will solidify that he will be cut.

thumper
03-05-2011, 03:42 PM
This probably the beginning of the end for Harrison. I already thought 2011 would be his last year with the Steelers. If he shows the slightest decline this year from his back injury that will solidify that he will be cut.

I hate the thought of it. He is my favorite since my other,
Greg Lloyd. I really hope they find new-day versions of
some of the great players we are about to lose in the
near future. Crossing my fingers.

ggoldman
03-06-2011, 01:01 AM
Just look at they way he trains, he is a monster. I expect another all-pro season from him. He doesn't complain about injuries, only holding calls, which are never called on him. Yet, he still gets double digit sacks and QB hurries, and 100 tackles. He was the only player with 10 or more sacks and 100 tackles last year.