View Full Version : The beginning of the End of the NFL and Steelers

03-12-2011, 10:56 AM
The labor negotiations broke down and the anti-trust suits have been filed. Seeing how quickly those suits were filed, it appears that labor was not an honest broker in these negotiations. They wanted the negotiations to fail. The players union is banking on "the people" sympathizes. This is a battle of the Billionaire Goliaths vs. the helpless players, many of which are millionaires, and all paid upper class salaries. This is not the coal faced worker against the brooks brother suits. And there is plenty of money to go around, $9.3 billion plus the government subsidies. How do you think Jerry Jones built his Cow Palace?

As for human nature, each side wants more and taking any less would mean defeat and a loss of egos. That is what this fight has really become about. As an owner, you don't make a lot of money owning a team. There are a hundred other industries that would provide a better return for your money. The only way an owner can make real money is by selling his team.

Why would a smart business person buy a team in the first place? Ego. Who would not want to own the Steelers?

The players have deeper reasons to get as much money as they can while they can. The avg. NFL season is 3.5 years. Even the top players can't expect more than 10 years of top pay, Brett Farve exceptions excluded. Imagine if your career lasted only 10 years. You'd want to make enough to retire.

The NFL has achieved such success that even the 3 year and out players are so well compensated that in most cases, if the player carefully invests, he'll have enough capital at the end of his career to start a new career or business. If the player can extend his career to five years or more, then he can retire on the money he made in the NFL.
This was not the case 20 or 30 years ago. The players union has achieved alot. Even if the NFL players union gave a few percentage points back to the owners, the players would still be making more money than there predecessors. The fight on the players side is pure ego as well.

It is the abscence of numerous and lengthly labor disputes that has skyrocketed football's revenues, basically through television contracts. Year in and year out, tv conglomerates could always count on a football season. These conglomerates could make the investments to bring you the NFL networks, the NFL Ticket, the red zone and various internet sites.

But now, the 2011 season is in peril. A lengthly strike during a bad economy will certainly tarnish the image of the NFL with fans and mark the beginning of the decline. TV networks will need to find alternative programming. They will never again allow the NFL to hold them hostage. It will be in the Networks interest to promote other forms of entertainment to mitigate their risk.

The fans will also react negatively. Emotionally we will miss the season. How can any of us really feel sorry for the mercedes chauffered players and the rolls royce owners? We can't. When we've cut back on everything during the recession, can the NFL expect us to pay more for their product? Please don't insult us.

If the NFL can't resolve their differences by the end of July, then I'm sorry to day, but the NFL is on its way out. It still may take a generation. It will never be what it was.

Atlanta Dan
03-12-2011, 11:09 AM
This will get worked out - just not on terms as favorable to the owners as those they envisioned before their legal strategy crashed with: the 9-0 wipeout before the Supreme Court in the American Needle case in which they were hoping to take away the players weapon of filing suit for antitrust violations; and losing their war chest of TV $$ that was taken away by Judge Doty last week.

IMO we will still see a salary cap and free agency after a number of seasons as well as the franchise tag.. But the owners are going to need to share a greater % of revenue than they were willing to give up prior to their setbacks in court and I could see some percentage of multi-year contracts above the signing bonus being guaranteed.

Players have the momentum at the moment but they also have short careers and high $$ lifestyles - not getting paid in 2011 is something they can afford even less than owners who need cash flow for debt service on their stadiums

03-12-2011, 11:15 AM
I think it's a little too soon to start thinking it's the beginning of the end of the NFL...or even the next season.

Yeah, this whole ordeal sucks, and I don't agree with or feel sorry for either side...but keep in mind in the previous lockout, it took SIX YEARS to reach a new agreement and the league only lost one week with regular players and had 3 weeks with replacement players before everyone came back to work.

All that has to happen now really is Doty lifting the owners lockout, and then the players can come back. And since the union is disbanded, they can't strike.

There really could be no reason to stop the games. The courts could decide to lift the owners lockout and permit the players to return to work. Then the proceedings would move through the courts at a pace that might not solve matters for quite some time. The players struck after two games of the regular season in 1987. It wiped out one game, three games were played with “replacement” players and then everyone came back to work and worked and worked and played games right up until the new labor agreement – six years later!

It may not take six years to get this one done, but a similar 1987-like strike won’t happen. The owners learned their lesson 24 years ago, even if new owners have hopped on board since then and some former owners are no longer with us. The lockout was designed so, after reaching a negotiation impasses, the players could not walk out during or just before the season. And if the union decertifies, there can be no union strike.


- If the injunction is granted by U.S. District Court Judge David Doty in Minneapolis, the league will appeal. During the period the injunction is in effect, the league year is expected to start, and free agency is expected to begin with the 2010 rules in place: no salary cap and unrestricted free agency after six years, instead of four.

Doty could ask the union to withdraw its decertification papers until he hears arguments from both sides on the lockout issue. The sides could bargain again during the time it takes to prepare for the hearing. The expired CBA would be in effect during that time. Of course, if Judge Doty rules that the lockout is legal and the sides haven't reached an agreement in the interim, then no football until it's resolved.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/2011/03/12/2011-03-12_nfl_lockout_where_do_the_owners_and_players_go_ from_here.html#ixzz1GPHkkvTU

So far, in all that I've read about, Doty has ruled in favor of the players.

03-12-2011, 11:50 AM
This will not be the end of the NFL. This is a simple matter of posturing (maybe too simply stated) and there will be football this season. There is no urgency to get a deal done at this point and both sides are not willing to give in. As the season approaches the TV networks will start putting the pressure on as NFL is BIG dollars to them, the players will pressure the "union" or whatever they are calling it now with the decertification to get a deal done and the owners will not ant to lose out on the revenue>
I cannot honestly see the NFL allowing a season to go into hibernation as the NHL did.
I am sure this will get done, maybe not until late August but we will have NFL football.

03-13-2011, 08:56 AM
It's not over yet, but if they give the players everything they want.......then yes it will be the begining of the end, and if you don't think so, you better set aside your love of football and get your head out of the sand

03-13-2011, 10:03 AM
As I said in another thread this could easily be the end of the NFL as we know it. There are only two issues that Steeler fans should care about and those are the salary cap and revenue sharing. Nothing else matters.

I believe that there are some players and some owners who want both to go away. If the happens then the NFL will become like MLB and Steelers will become like the Pirates.

03-13-2011, 11:20 PM
Rugby is a very entertaining sport to watch and get into and it's very similiar to football.

03-15-2011, 05:30 PM
As I said in another thread this could easily be the end of the NFL as we know it. There are only two issues that Steeler fans should care about and those are the salary cap and revenue sharing. Nothing else matters.

I believe that there are some players and some owners who want both to go away. If the happens then the NFL will become like MLB and Steelers will become like the Pirates.

you got it! If those 2 things don't go our way, we're headed straight for the failure of MLB, and it will be the end of the Steelers, Colts, Ravens, Saints, and others as we know it today.
Someone needs to load Roger Goodell and his buddies, Bud Selig and his buddies, on a boat, take them out to sea, and throw them all overboard.