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DIESELMAN
05-15-2006, 12:34 AM
PITTSBURGH ? On the second play of the second practice of the 2006 spring season, Santonio Holmes ran past Ike Taylor and had the veteran cornerback beat by a good five yards.

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Holmes began to settle under Ben Roethlisberger?s deep pass, but just before the ball reached Holmes so did the recovering and flailing Taylor, who ripped Holmes to the ground.

No touchdown. No completion.

?Oh, man, he reached out and grabbed me,? Holmes said. ?He said, ?You ain?t getting nothing deep that easy.? But it?s a lot of fun knowing I?m capable of doing some of the things I did in college against some of the NFL guys.?

Was the route anything special?

?It was just a fly pattern,? Holmes said. ?I just ran right past him.?

That?s why the Pittsburgh Steelers made Holmes their No. 1 draft pick in the recent draft. He?s a speedburner, and so is the wide receiver they drafted in the third round -- Willie Reid, who also made a spectacular catch along the sidelines before coming down in bounds with a nifty bit of footwork.

The two rookies are battling Nate Washington for time behind Hines Ward and Cedrick Wilson. Quincy Morgan was on the sidelines recovering from his leg injury. Sean Morey was covering kicks. Walter Young was looking to break free from duty on the practice squad. NFL veterans Lee Mays and Eugene Baker are also lurking.

?That?s going to be a very competitive position,? said Coach Bill Cowher. ?I see some guys there that aren?t going to go down easy.?

That?s one angle for the coaches to consider. The other is the offensive philosophy: Should the Steelers, who have an abundance of pass-catchers, think twice about pounding the ball between the tackles as a basic principal?

?We?re going to diversify, try to diversify, but certainly we?re not going to lose touch with the run,? said offensive coordinator Ken Whisenhunt. ?I mean when you?ve got guys to play the way Ben played, certainly we?re going to try to integrate some of those things.?

Quarterback Ben Roethlisberger enters his third year with the hope of throwing the ball more. He jokes about the topic with the boss, but behind every joke is a layer of seriousness.

?Every day I say something to Coach Cowher jokingly hoping he?ll take me serious,? said Roethlisberger. ?But, no, we?ve obviously had success running the ball. We?ll always do that. I just hope that every year they gain more confidence in me and we go out and can continue to make it a balanced offense and maybe we can be more dangerous.?

With Roethlisberger maturing and Holmes working into the mix, the Steelers could have their most potent passing attack since the late 1970s. Holmes not only flashed deep speed Saturday, he zipped around the middle of the defense as a fearless slot receiver. His diving catch of a Charlie Batch pass was his first highlight.

?Great hands,? marveled Roethlisberger. ?He made a couple good catches today. He?s raw. There are things he has to work on: being able to be ready for the ball in the air before he comes out of his break. I talked to him a little bit about it today, but he?s got one of the greats in Hines Ward to work under, so he?s going to be okay.?

Of course, Holmes was hoping to be drafted by the Steelers, his favorite team, and on draft day said he hoped to pattern himself after Ward.

?Seeing them on TV all this time and then actually being with them is a lot of fun,? Holmes said. ?There?s a lot of learning to do, and it was a very fast tempo, but at the same time I?m learning as I go. I?ll make a lot of mistakes but the vets are on me, telling me to slow down and learn a little bit at a time.?

Holmes must return to school after minicamp ends Monday, and he isn?t worried about falling too far behind. His coaches promised steady contact to keep him abreast of practices, and he?s going back to Ohio State with his playbook.

Holmes is confident about being able to help the team right away. He and Reid could give the Steelers a pair of 4.3 burners in a four-receiver set, to go along with Willie Parker and his 4.28 speed coming out of the backfield. It?s a delicious contemplation for these blue-collar Steelers.

?Yeah, but you know what?? said Whisenhunt. ?It also creates a lot of problems for you, too, from the standpoint of the looks you?re going to see and what you have to protect. We?re going to look to expand the offense a little bit more this year, just like we did last year, and that could lead to some of that.?

At least it?s a consideration in this post-Jerome Bettis era.

clevestinks
05-15-2006, 05:50 AM
Damn, now we have to figure out if Holmes is the real deal, or Ike isn`t. Hopefully they are both really good, and these battles will make each of them better.

Haiku_Dirtt
05-15-2006, 04:35 PM
Damn, now we have to figure out if Holmes is the real deal, or Ike isn`t. Hopefully they are both really good, and these battles will make each of them better.

I've been thinking this since the thought of getting an extra first round pick weighed in. Where there is smoke there is fire. Exactly what is Ike asking the Steelers to pay him? From 30,000 feet it looks like Ike's agent is pointing a gun.

I think he is taking a huge gamble. McFadden may or may not be Ike. But McFadden won't be knocking on Omar Khan's door for a couple more years.

tony hipchest
05-15-2006, 04:50 PM
I've been thinking this since the thought of getting an extra first round pick weighed in. Where there is smoke there is fire. Exactly what is Ike asking the Steelers to pay him? From 30,000 feet it looks like Ike's agent is pointing a gun.

I think he is taking a huge gamble. McFadden may or may not be Ike. But McFadden won't be knocking on Omar Khan's door for a couple more years.this is more like the steelers dragging their feet or putting ikes situation on the back burner. he is under contract and as much as they should extend him they simply dont have to. this is exactly like h. wards situation last year. the steelers will focus on signing their rookies and getting them into camp before they even seriously entertain giving out extensions (which they rarely do). ike should feel lucky they are even willing to talk to his agent; something green bay was unwilling to do with j. walker (we all seen how that turned out). ikes agent isnt pointing a gun or playing hardball. the steelers are simply in the drivers seat.

Hypnotic
05-15-2006, 04:55 PM
I think the fact that Santonio was the most polished route runner in the draft has alot to do with his seperation from Ike. Its one thing when your fast but when you run crisp patterns then you have a special player.

tony hipchest
05-15-2006, 05:00 PM
lets see how holmes does in pads. this is the 1st 2 days of minicamp, not the 1st few games of the playoffs.

i gotta note that while holmes got a 5 yard jump on ike, ike was able to recover and grab his jersey, preventing a td. thats fast.

for all we know the coaches may have told ike to let the rookie go to see what hes got.

Hypnotic
05-15-2006, 05:03 PM
lets see how holmes does in pads. this is the 1st 2 days of minicamp, not the 1st few games of the playoffs.

i gotta note that while holmes got a 5 yard jump on ike, ike was able to recover and grab his jersey, preventing a td. thats fast.

for all we know the coaches may have told ike to let the rookie go to see what hes got.

But did he recover and grab his jersey which would be pass interference even with pads. Or did he shade him from the ball?

tony hipchest
05-15-2006, 05:11 PM
But did he recover and grab his jersey which would be pass interference even with pads. Or did he shade him from the ball?

not to knock holmes. but lets see him do it consistantly against competition during games before we get discouraged about ikes cover skills. so the rookie got over on him once; its gonna happen (especially in practice or mini camps). for all we know, ike had him blanketed every other time they went up against eachother on passing plays. (if the media reported that, fans maybe would jump the gun and conclude that holmes sucks).

Black@Gold Forever32
05-15-2006, 05:12 PM
I think the fact that Santonio was the most polished route runner in the draft has alot to do with his seperation from Ike. Its one thing when your fast but when you run crisp patterns then you have a special player.

I agree with you man. Very good post. Points for you. Also my Mom and Dad were born in Monessen.

MichiSteeler
05-15-2006, 05:28 PM
The two rookies are battling Nate Washington for time behind Hines Ward and Cedrick Wilson.


Behind Cedric? :dang: I was hoping to see him opposite Hines, o well, things could change i suppose.

Midnightwriter07
05-15-2006, 07:21 PM
and the fact that Holmes ran past Ike a good five yards surprises anyone ?

I bet you this ... the Steelers would really love to have Holmes going one on one against Taylor as much as possible before giving taylor a contract. Maybve after Holmes burned him all summer then Taylor's agent would be taking what the Steelers were offering. I am skeptical about giving this guy a long term deal at a stupid price and then have him end up like C. Scott and make the same mistake again.

Suitanim
05-15-2006, 07:26 PM
There is a HUGE difference between Scott and Ike. When the Steelers made Chad Scott the highest paid Steeler in history, they were rewarding him for past service, and not so much paying for what he was going to be worth on the field for the next few years. Taylor is a guy who's best years are ahead of him.

No offense, but when one guy who runs a 4.3 runs past another guy who runs a 4.3 at minicamp, it means just about nothing.

Black@Gold Forever32
05-15-2006, 07:30 PM
and the fact that Holmes ran past Ike a good five yards surprises anyone ?

I bet you this ... the Steelers would really love to have Holmes going one on one against Taylor as much as possible before giving taylor a contract. Maybve after Holmes burned him all summer then Taylor's agent would be taking what the Steelers were offering. I am skeptical about giving this guy a long term deal at a stupid price and then have him end up like C. Scott and make the same mistake again.

Very good points. We did get burned by resigning Chad Scott and DeWayne Washington. But I will say this. Its just mini camp so before we sour on Ike. It is still just mini camp. Ike did very well last year going against the likes of CJ. Maybe Ike heard the talk about how fast Holmes was and didn't believe all the talk until Holmes beat him. I'm sure Ike knows all about Holmes now. I'm with you the Steelers should be smart about the money they give Ike. But Ike Taylor has just tapped into his potential. We started seeing some of that untapped potential last year. The sky is the limit for Ike.

Black@Gold Forever32
05-15-2006, 07:36 PM
There is a HUGE difference between Scott and Ike. When the Steelers made Chad Scott the highest paid Steeler in history, they were rewarding him for past service, and not so much paying for what he was going to be worth on the field for the next few years. Taylor is a guy who's best years are ahead of him.

No offense, but when one guy who runs a 4.3 runs past another guy who runs a 4.3 at minicamp, it means just about nothing.

I agree with on you on both accounts. They did reward Scott for past service. Ike has just started tapping into the untapped potential he has had since the Steelers drafted him. Plus it was just mini camp. Who cares if Holmes beat Ike. I'm sure Ben has his share of ugly passes during mini camp and practice. If you hear Cowher and some of the Steelers talk that Ben looks terrible at times in practice. Its what you do on gameday that counts. So I'm not down on Ike at all. Steelers should look into resigning Ike long term. But I do agree that the Steelers should be smart about it.

Suitanim
05-15-2006, 07:49 PM
At camp last year, at least the day I was there, Batch and Maddox were competing to be the best QB's on the field, and Ben looked lost...and that was at TRAINING camp.

Too early to tell anything.

nwksteeler
05-21-2006, 09:06 PM
Holmes has exceptional speed and the fact that he was able to beat Ike is a great sign that he will be a very tough cover for dbs at this level, speed kills. I wouldn't be to worried about Ike he is also a burner and may have been surprised by the speed of Holmes. Battling each other will only make the both of them better.

SteelCityMan786
05-21-2006, 09:11 PM
and the fact that Holmes ran past Ike a good five yards surprises anyone ?

I bet you this ... the Steelers would really love to have Holmes going one on one against Taylor as much as possible before giving taylor a contract. Maybve after Holmes burned him all summer then Taylor's agent would be taking what the Steelers were offering. I am skeptical about giving this guy a long term deal at a stupid price and then have him end up like C. Scott and make the same mistake again.


Wouldn't hurt. Especially since Ike is one of our best players in the Defensive back field along with Porter and Troy. We also need to get a new contract to Troy to don't forget.