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mesaSteeler
04-29-2011, 08:48 PM
Steelers take Florida OT with second round pick
Friday, April 29, 2011
Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

The Steelers have selected offensive tackle Marcus Gilbert of the University of Florida in the second round of the 2011 NFL Draft.

The 6-6, 330-pound Gilbert was a college teammate of the Steelers' 2010 first round draft pick Maurkice Pouncey.
First published on April 29, 2011 at 8:43 pm

Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11119/1143014-100.stm#ixzz1KxlkiXXf

StainlessStill
04-29-2011, 08:49 PM
I love the Steelers way. Pure black&blue. 6'6 OT from Florida, Gilbert reuniting with Pouncey and has played every position on the line but center. Ben has to be protected. Looks like Ike will re-sign so expecting corner and secondary to be addressed atleast 3 out of the next 5 picks.

PhantomJB93
04-29-2011, 08:50 PM
Should Gilbert play guard (if he looks good enough in camp)? He could be an improvement over Kemo. We could play Starks-Gilbert-Pouncey-Colon-Adams for a year and then swing Gilbert (or Colon) back out to tackle when Adams leaves. I like that a lot better than starting Kemo or having Adams ride the bench.

CaliStillersFan
04-29-2011, 08:53 PM
A couple of CB's and another olinemen or two and I'll be a happy man. Great 1st two picks!!!

sexyllama
04-29-2011, 08:54 PM
Problem with the rest of the CB's is that they are ???.

If we pick three maybe one will make the team. Maybe. CB's had zero depth this year past the top 5-6.

Llama

I really think they are going to dip into FA. Maybe get that kid from Cincy and Ike but who knows. I really don't like giving Ike alot of money. A 31 year old CB has bad written all over it.

Fire Arians
04-29-2011, 08:54 PM
best chance of winning a championship is giving ben the protection he needs. he's great, but imagine how much better he'd be if he didn't have defenders in his face every other play

most of the corners on board won't help us, with sub 4.5 speed we're no worse off leaving gay in there. I'd go as far to say maybe we should draft any promising safeties that are left. who do we have to replace troy or clark if they go down? i'm not sold on mundy tbh

robert sands maybe?

55BaileyFan
04-29-2011, 08:56 PM
Should Gilbert play guard (if he looks good enough in camp)? He could be an improvement over Kemo. We could play Starks-Gilbert-Pouncey-Colon-Adams for a year and then swing Gilbert (or Colon) back out to tackle when Adams leaves. I like that a lot better than starting Kemo or having Adams ride the bench.

Why in the hell is everyone trying to say upgrade over Kemo? Seriously people watch the Steelers draft videos, listen to interviews, read a newspaper...THE STEELERS ARE NOT TRYING TO REPLACE KEMO. The Steelers are looking for the RIGHT side, that would be OPPOSITE Kemo's spot.

He will play tackle on the right side and Colon (who is so much worse than Kemo and should be the guy we are talking about getting replaced) is most likely going to slide to right guard. Gilbert will get an opportunity to take the tackle spot from Flozell.

One crappy play in the Super Bowl and everyone is all about replacing Kemo. We are not looking at the left side, the right side was pointed out by BA and Tomlin as the focus point. The line will look like this somewhat...Starks, Kemo, Pouncey, Colon, Gilbert.

CaliStillersFan
04-29-2011, 09:12 PM
Prior to last season, WIllie Colon was our best offensive linemen. People forget about Willie because he sat out injured all last year, but he definitely does not need replaced.

Fire Arians
04-29-2011, 09:16 PM
Prior to last season, WIllie Colon was our best offensive linemen. People forget about Willie because he sat out injured all last year, but he definitely does not need replaced.

achilles injuries can be career enders. need to prepare for that possibility.

cloppbeast
04-29-2011, 09:18 PM
Problem with the rest of the CB's is that they are ???.

If we pick three maybe one will make the team. Maybe. CB's had zero depth this year past the top 5-6.

Llama

I really think they are going to dip into FA. Maybe get that kid from Cincy and Ike but who knows. I really don't like giving Ike alot of money. A 31 year old CB has bad written all over it.

Just when I thought you couldn't get any dumber.....

Honestly though, it seems like each time you talk you say something even more stupid than the last time.

When are you going to realize that the drop-off in this draft between the top CBs and mid-late CBs just isn't that much. Have you ever though that maybe this isn't a good year for CBs in general? When life gives you lemons.......

mesaSteeler
04-29-2011, 09:24 PM
NFL from the sidelines
http://nflfromthesidelines.blogspot.com/
After hobnobbing around the NFL in the press boxes and sidelines, sports reporter Dale Lolley will let you know the insider scoop. Dale can also be heard on Tuesday nights throughout the season from 7 to 9 p.m. on WBGG 970-AM. Follow him on Twitter at fdlolleyor.
Friday, April 29, 2011
Marcus Gilbert info

MARCUS GILBERT
Offensive Tackle/Guard
University of Florida Gators
#76
6:06.1-330
Fort Lauderdale, Florida
St. Thomas Aquinas High School

OVERVIEW
While most of the media attention paid to Florida’s offensive line in recent years centered on the Pouncey Brothers, Mike and Maurkice (Pittsburgh Steelers), there is no shortage of talent among the rest of the Gators’ up front. Many professional scouts feel that Carl Johnson and Maurice Hurt are also capable of playing at the next level.

But those same scouts feel that Gilbert has the potential to be Florida’s best product produced at the offensive tackle position since Kenyatta Walker was the 14th overall pick in the 2001 NFL Draft by Tampa Bay.

The son of a retired secret service agent who protected Presidents Bill Clinton and Barack Obama, Gilbert was so focused during the 2009 preseason that every night before he went to bed, he wrote himself notes of what he must improve upon during the next day’s practices.

“Coach (Steve) Addazio and he developed a father- son type relationship,” said former Florida head coach Urban Meyer.

“He is going to graduate from Florida. He will have an opportunity to play at the next level, and he is one of our most consistent linemen. That’s just one of those great stories, when you have a great mom and dad, which he has, and a position coach who is just non-stop on him and then obviously the God-given tools. He has turned into one of our better linemen. He’s very consistent right now. We moved him from right to left, which is sometimes an issue, but he picked it right up.”

Gilbert had some good football peers during his younger days. He grew up with former Miami safety Anthony Reddick.
According to Gilbert’s sister, Reddick taught Gilbert how to play ball when they were younger. Gilbert’s brother, David Walker, was a defensive lineman at Iowa who completed his eligibility following the 2005 season.

During his three-year career as a starter at football powerhouse St. Thomas Aquinas High School, Gilbert played guard and tackle on the offensive line, as well as doubling on the defensive line. He moved over to offense following his sophomore season and became one of three major recruiting prospects, as Sam Young and Dan Wenger eventually enrolled at Notre Dame.

Gilbert received a four-star prospect rating from both Scout.com and Rivals.com. Scout also regarded him as the 42nd- best offensive lineman in the country. He was selected to participate in the 2006 CaliFlorida Bowl. He was also a member of the varsity basketball team and competed in the shot put and discus throws for the track and field squad.

Gilbert was recruited by renowned offensive line coach, Doc Holliday, signing his national letter of intent to attend the University of Florida on December 31st, 2005. He was also heavily recruited by Auburn, Florida State, Louisiana State and Miami. He played sparingly in 2006 and retained freshman eligibility.

Gilbert returned in 2007, seeing action in all thirteen games. He made his starting debut at right guard in the Florida Atlantic contest. He continued to be in the offensive lineman rotation as a sophomore in 2008, seeing action in all but the Arkansas contest. He started at left guard vs. Miami and Hawaii, in addition to seeing time at tight end vs. Tennessee. He also performed for the team’s field goal unit.

Improved work ethic in the classroom carried over on to the football field in 2009. Gilbert lined up with the first unit in all fourteen games. He earned Southeastern Conference Offensive Lineman of the Week honors vs. Kentucky and turned in the highest blocking consistency grade (99% vs. Georgia) of any Gators blocker during his junior campaign. He would grade over 90% five times during a season that saw UF lead the SEC and rank sixth in the nation in total offense (457.86 ypg).

What impressed the coaching staff the most about Gilbert in 2009 was his renewed dedication. While most players sleep or play video games in their downtime, Gilbert was often seen doing “homework” to prepare himself for the next day. One example: Gilbert made a few mistakes during a practice which allowed defensive ends Carlos Dunlap and Jermaine Cunningham to penetrate the pocket. Gilbert reminded himself that night that he was ``giving a soft edge.''

“So the next day I decided to get deeper in my set and fast off my set and throw my hands out and that was my focus, so I improved,'' Gilbert said. Gilbert's nightly homework also included reviewing his playbook. In addition to the Gators' base offense, Florida coach Urban Meyer used several I-formation sets that season, which allowed QB Tim Tebow to work occasionally as a drop-back passer.

This new aspect of UF's offense made Gilbert's job even more demanding. Not only did he have to protect Tebow, but Gilbert also had to help his quarterback show off his newly learned footwork for NFL scouts. Gilbert now saw his future taking shape. ``I want to play in the NFL,'' Gilbert said. ``That's what I came here for and that's what I want to do. I'm at the right tackle position, a position I always wanted to play since I got here, and now I'm here and I'm going to take full advantage of it.''

Right after his 2009 campaign, Gilbert seriously thought about leaving school to enter the 2010 NFL Draft, but elected to remain in Gainesville. "I think my papers I got back from the NFL weren't what I wanted them to be -- fourth round," Gilbert said. "I think this year (2010) I can improve. I know I've got a lot of work to do in the film room, studying defenses and becoming a better tackle. That was really my first year starting, so I didn't see any need to come out early with just a little bit of experience. I can get another year under my belt and improve myself as a player."

As a senior, Gilbert shifted to the demanding left tackle position, receiving All-SEC recognition in 2010. He received the team’s top blocking grade in six contests, but the young offense struggled, finishing 82nd in the nation with an average of 350.85 yards per game in total offense. One of the few bright spots for that unit was the offensive line, as that quintet improved from allowing 2.14 quarterback sacks per game in 2009 to an average of 1.85 sacks in 2010.

Gilbert would cap his college career by accepting an invitation to play in the 2011 Senior Bowl. Fellow offensive lineman, Carl Johnson offered accorded this praise upon Gilbert during their final season together, “He is a competitor, hard worker, great athlete. Most people don’t know he came here at 270 pounds looking like a tight end. They beefed him up and put weight on him, but he is a phenomenal athlete and that is something you can never coach. Something you can’t motivate is what you are born with, and he is blessed.”

CAREER NOTES
In his two seasons as a full-time starter, Gilbert manned the left offensive tackle position for thirteen games and played on the right side for fourteen contests, recording 142 knockdowns and 22 touchdown-resulting blocks during that span.

2010 SEASON
All-Southeastern Conference second-team selection by The NFL Draft Report, earning third-team honors from Phil Steele...Shifted to the left tackle position as a senior, starting all thirteen games...Registered a career-best 81 knockdowns with thirteen touchdown-resulting blocks, as Florida averaged 350.85 yards in total offense and 166.54 rushing yards per game...Was a key member of an offensive line that surrendered one sack or less in seven contests...Gilbert graded out a Champion (top performance) in six of Florida’s games, including three in a row vs. Miami, South Florida and Tennessee...Graded 93% with eight knockdowns vs. the Tennessee Volunteers...Part of a front wall that allowed 24 quarterback sacks, a reduction from the 28 given up during his junior campaign.

2009 SEASON
Gilbert took over right offensive tackle duties, starting all fourteen games for a unit that led the Southeastern Conference and ranked sixth nationally with an average of 457.86 yards in total offense per game...The ground game benefitted from Gilbert’s drive blocking, finishing tenth nationally and second in the league with an average of 221.79 yards per game...Named SEC Offensive Lineman of the Week for his efforts vs. Kentucky (92%) and turned in one of UF’s highest grades of the 2009 campaign when he earned Champions’ Club honors with a 99% blocking consistency mark in the win over Georgia... Checked in at 95% in UF’s win over Arkansas and tallied a 90% mark both the Troy and Tennessee contests.

2008 SEASON
Gilbert played in thirteen games...Contributed to Florida’s SEC and BCS National Championship Game victories at both offensive guard and tackle, in addition to playing on the field goal unit...The Gators led the SEC in total offense (445.07 ypg) and rushing, as their ground attack placed tenth in the nation with an average of 231.14 yards per game...Started at left guard vs. both Hawaii and Miami and lined up at tight end for a play vs. Tennessee...Graded a season-best 93% for blocking consistency in the 70-19 win over The Citadel.

2007 SEASON
Played in all thirteen games as a guard, earning his first career start vs. Florida Atlantic at right guard, replacing Maurkice Pouncey...Was the last of 22 Gators who made their first career start in 2007...Helped the team lead the SEC with an average of 457.15 yards per game in total offense.

2006 SEASON
Retained freshman eligibility after playing in two games. AGILITY TESTS
5.46 in the 40-yard dash...1.93 10-yard dash...3.14 20-yard dash...4.69 20-yard shuttle...7.66 three-cone drill...29-inch vertical jump...8’5” broad jump...Bench pressed 225 pounds 30 times...33 1⁄2-inch arm length...9 3⁄4-inch hands...80 3⁄4-
inch wingspan.

HIGH SCHOOL
Attended St. Thomas Aquinas (Ft. Lauderdale, Fla.) High School, playing football for head coach George Smith...Played guard and tackle on the offensive line during his prep career, as well as doubling on the defensive line...Moved over to offense following his sophomore season and became one of three major recruiting prospects, as Sam Young and Dan Wenger eventually enrolled at Notre Dame...Received a four-star prospect rating from both Scout.com and Rivals.com.
Scout also regarded him as the 42nd-best offensive lineman in the country...Added Class 5A All-District XVI honors and was selected to participate in the 2006 CaliFlorida Bowl...Also a member of the varsity basketball team and competed in the shot put and discus throws for the track and field squad.

PERSONAL
Family, Youth and Community Science major...Brother, David Walker, was a defensive lineman at Iowa who completed his eligibility following the 2005 season...Active member of the Goodwill Gators who participated in visits to Terwilliger Elementary and the Shands Medical Plaza/AGH...Son of Katrina and Jeffrey Gilbert...Father recently retired from the Secret Service. When the Florida Gators visited the White House to celebrate their second national championship in four years in April of 2009, Gilbert received special recognition by new President Barack Obama during the ceremony because his father, Jeff, was a Secret Service agent who helped shield the past three presidents from harm...Born 2/15/88...Resides in Fort Lauderdale, Florida.

Fire Arians
04-29-2011, 09:26 PM
i want robert sands, a big safety that can cover those big TE's that tend to burn us.

mesaSteeler
04-29-2011, 09:29 PM
i want robert sands, a big safety that can cover those big TE's that tend to burn us.

With Troy's injury history a safety would make sense.

Wallabeast17
04-29-2011, 09:30 PM
i want robert sands, a big safety that can cover those big TE's that tend to burn us.

I really like Sands, I wouldn't mind that at all..

Fire Arians
04-29-2011, 10:14 PM
marcus cannon is still also available. wonder if we jump on it. sands is on my list though because of troy being injury prone and clark isn't getting any younger. love how he's tough in run support and can beat taller wr's and te's for the jump ball

Fire Arians
04-29-2011, 10:15 PM
curtis brown, i can deal with that.

BigRick
04-29-2011, 10:29 PM
i want robert sands, a big safety that can cover those big TE's that tend to burn us.

I agree he would be a nice draft pick. We'll have to wait and see. :tt03:

SouthTexasSteel
05-01-2011, 08:08 AM
Maybe I am looking at this with rose colored glasses, but I see genius in this particular draft. First off, outside of Peterson, there wasn't another corner with that talent, so why waste a late first round pick on a second round CB. Besides, how many rookie CB's would have started under a LeBeau system anyway. And this is the key, and where I see the genius in drafting the players in the order they were drafted in. I'm sure the owners and GM's knew the lockout would ultimately continue. SO, why draft a corner in the 1st who won't even be allowed to learn the LeBeau system until training camp, if he's that lucky. Who has the better chance of seeing time and contributing THIS year?? I believe they drafted DE, OL and CB in order of their possibility of productivity. Gilbert is a former teammate and friend of Pouncey and can learn much from him about the system. Heyward's learning curve, IMHO, is much less than that of any possible corner we could have drafted. So personally, I think when all is said and done, the Steelers managed THIS YEARS DRAFT better than 90% of the teams out there. just sayin'

cloppbeast
05-01-2011, 11:02 AM
Should Gilbert play guard (if he looks good enough in camp)? He could be an improvement over Kemo.

I believe he played guard for a year at Florida, so he should probably be able to play guard or tackle. The Steelers probably drafted him because of his position flexibility. If Starks and Colon both heal from their injuries, I expect them both to be in Steelers uniforms for a while. In that case, Gilbert could play RG - who is playing there anyway? Or if either Starks or Colon is an injury liability going forward, we have sort of an insurance policy and a future starter once Flozell retires.

sexyllama
05-01-2011, 09:19 PM
Just when I thought you couldn't get any dumber.....

Honestly though, it seems like each time you talk you say something even more stupid than the last time.

When are you going to realize that the drop-off in this draft between the top CBs and mid-late CBs just isn't that much. Have you ever though that maybe this isn't a good year for CBs in general? When life gives you lemons.......

Please Clop... you can pull Tomlin and Colbert #()$ out of your mouth any time. I love how if anyone doesn't directly stoke one of you clowns we are dumb.

What did I say. "Problem with the draft is past the 5-6 meaning PAST the lower tier of RAS, A Williams, and Harris (i.e there were only 4-6 decent CB's) there were only ??? questionable CB's and definately NOT starter material. I WILL TYPE SLOW FOR YOU... MEANING THERE WAS NO CB WORTH PICKING IN THE 2ND ROUND.

So YOU BASICALLY AGREE WITH ME YOU ****IN DUMBASS BUT I"M STUPID. Go suck your "agree" with me Steeler buddies because your awesome and everything you say is awesome. The Steelers are awesome. Every play and every Player is awesome. We didn't lose the Superbowl and GB never spread us out or THREW ON US. WE ARE AWESOME!

I said Gilbert was a good pick. Man get off the Steelers can do no wrong ever kick and read.

Llama

sexyllama
05-01-2011, 09:24 PM
Yeah, it would have been nice to get a Safety behind Troy P.

Lake was a pretty great safety though. He was always in the right position so maybe he can get Mundy or the backup safety in a better position. (Is Mundy even signed) I like the running back from TT though, he a pretty shifty little runner.

Llama

finesward
05-02-2011, 12:58 AM
Please Clop... you can pull Tomlin and Colbert #()$ out of your mouth any time. I love how if anyone doesn't directly stoke one of you clowns we are dumb.

What did I say. "Problem with the draft is past the 5-6 meaning PAST the lower tier of RAS, A Williams, and Harris (i.e there were only 4-6 decent CB's) there were only ??? questionable CB's and definately NOT starter material. I WILL TYPE SLOW FOR YOU... MEANING THERE WAS NO CB WORTH PICKING IN THE 2ND ROUND.

So YOU BASICALLY AGREE WITH ME YOU ****IN DUMBASS BUT I"M STUPID. Go suck your "agree" with me Steeler buddies because your awesome and everything you say is awesome. The Steelers are awesome. Every play and every Player is awesome. We didn't lose the Superbowl and GB never spread us out or THREW ON US. WE ARE AWESOME!

I said Gilbert was a good pick. Man get off the Steelers can do no wrong ever kick and read.

Llama

no actually you said this

Problem with the rest of the CB's is that they are ???.

If we pick three maybe one will make the team. Maybe. CB's had zero depth this year past the top 5-6.

Llama

I really think they are going to dip into FA. Maybe get that kid from Cincy and Ike but who knows. I really don't like giving Ike alot of money. A 31 year old CB has bad written all over it.

What you don't understand is that he is not agreeing with you at all. He (and I) have said repeatedly that behind the top 2 (or 3) CB's there is not much difference between the quality of the 4-10 guys and the 20-30 guys. Plus the icing on the cake is that we draft a prototypical CB in the image of Ike...because of the kinds of things we ask them to do. (support run, bump and run coverage, etc.) So just because williams was there and has the kinds of things we look for, he wouldn't be ready next year, or maybe even the year after that. So if we are giving our 1st round pick for a guy like that why not spend it on getting a MUCH better player overall in Heyward? Why not take a 4th rounder (cortez) who has the athleticism and build of a CB and slowly bring him along like we did Ike? If it doesn't work out fine, we only spent a later draft pick and it wouldn't be considered a bust. Notice how there haven't been many 1st round busts in the last decade?

cloppbeast
05-02-2011, 12:12 PM
I said Gilbert was a good pick. Man get off the Steelers can do no wrong ever kick and read.

Llama

Apparently you weren't around when I criticized Ben and his overrated behind all year last year. I don't agree with every decision the Steelers make. I didn't like picking a punter in the fourth round in whatever year it was. Not that Dan wasn't a great punter, but he's just a punter. The difference between a great punter and a bad punter is about 15 yards a game, or a personal foul. So I thought that pick was stupid. I really didn't like the Gilbert pick either, to be honest; but I understand why they picked him. It was an allright pick - a safe pick. Not nearly as stupid has trading up to pick a punter from Bayler.

One thing I won't criticize the Steelers for is evaluating talent. They put a lot more time into looking at tape and such than I do, and they have proven to be much better at it than me. So, if the Steelers say that Heyward will be a great DE - that's why they drafted them - I won't argue. Or if they say none of the CBs in the draft will be as great as Heyward, I will beleive them. This doesn't mean they're always right. One need to look no further than Alonzo and Ricardo to see that. Nevertheless, they know so much more about it than me that I have absolutely no business saying this guy or that guy will be better. My estimation would be based on so comparitivlye limited knowledge that my complaint would be almost comical.

Basically, I'm arguing with many of you idiots on here that are saying the Steelers should have drafted the best CB on their board with their first pick simply because it's their biggest weakness. I'm trying to explain why that reasoning is wrong, but you don't seem to understand. I'm also arguing with you idiots who are saying we're doomed because we have such a bad secondary - the same secondary that got us to the Super Bowl last year even with a hobbled #43. You're being beyond hyperbolic.

Atlanta Dan
05-02-2011, 12:38 PM
I'm also arguing with you idiots who are saying we're doomed because we have such a bad secondary - the same secondary that got us to the Super Bowl last year even with a hobbled #43. You're being beyond hyperbolic.

Agree with you the secondary had issues but it was not exactly the AFC North equivalent of the Houston Texans secondary

The secondary got torched by Rodgers and Brady (as well as Brees in the second half of the Saints game) but I was surprised to come across this stat from SI.com in a draft evaluation that ripped Belichick for not addressing the Patriots pass defense and noted that a pass defense includes both pass coverage and pass rush

The Patriots have been haunted by failures on pass defense every year since their last Super Bowl victory, and especially handicapped by the lack of an elite pass rusher. They simply ignored the problem in the draft. New England will not win a Super Bowl again until its mundane Defensive Passer Rating improves by 10 to 15 points. The top two teams in DPR last year? Green Bay No. 1; Pittsburgh No. 2.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/kerry_byrne/05/01/draft.grades/1.html

FWIW the author of this article gave the Steelers a B+ on their draft

What I liked: The obsession with linemen.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/kerry_byrne/05/01/draft.grades/2.html

sexyllama
05-02-2011, 12:51 PM
And I'll argue without the idiot comments that...

0. People say you (and the Steelers) never draft for NEED. Uh.. Pouncey? We needed offensive line and we drafted him. Uh... Santonio.. uh we need a receiver and we drafted him. The whole bullshit we don't draft for need is utterly stupid.

1. My reasoning it perfectly fine. We didn't do enough to raise the talent level in our secondary. Are you telling me we the DB's have more talent now than before draft? Seriously?

1a. With the labor situation, do you think a 3rd Round CB and a 4th Round Project Athlete CB have a real chance to succeed with no coaching or access to the playbook. (I totally agree with you that past the CB Harris the draft was a roll-of-the-dice at best on CB's)

2. The kid from Citadel will barely make the practice field. Read up on the kid, total gamble. (it's a 4th rounder; nuf said)

3. Curtis Brown *MIGHT* be a nickel back; I say might because WE haven't developed any CB in 3-4 years and #1a. BUT we do have a new coach.

4. Did I say we were doomed? Once again ... NO. Did I say the the draft picks were horrible? Uh, NO. I said we didn't draft well for our biggest weakness. If you look at the facts listed above I'm still correct.

5. Yes, we got to the Super Bowl and then GB did exactly what 2 weeks of analysts and media said. Spread us out and throw quick passes. Unfortunately, it worked.

5a. Totally agree with you that only NE and GB or a hot/lucky QB can do that to us. Unfortunately, we need luck or we'll have to play one of those teams to in the Playoffs. Do we currently have the DB talent and depth to defend vs. NE/GB... I'd still say "NO"

5b. Once again, we match up well with many conventional offenses so our Nickel and Dime don't get exposed but when we do get exposed it's an EPIC blowout.

5c. Yes 43 was hobbled and he has been 3 out of 4 years. I'll take an educated guess that he will be hurt a few games this season. As you said, Look at our backfield when he is out...

5d. I don't think I'm exaggerating the fact that our Defense doesn't handle the NFL variant of the Spread Offense well. It's pretty well known and it's still our biggest weakness.

Llama

PS Obviously Free Agency changes many things in terms of talent and depth.

theplatypus
05-02-2011, 01:08 PM
Gilbert is a much-needed high pick on the offensive line, an Achilles' heel in Pittsburgh the past few seasons, including in the Super Bowl loss to Green Bay. Gilbert has classic OT size with great potential to emerge into a franchise LT. He'll be reunited in Pittsburgh with former Florida linemate, center Maurkice Pouncey.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/draft-2011/tracker/draft_analysis/2.html#ixzz1LDQLKGK7



Fairly high praise for Gilbert here.
I would love to see Gilbert pan out like Pouncey and take over the LT duties. Gilbert,Kemo,Pouncey,Colon,Starks would probably be the best O-line we've seen in several years.

I'm allowed to dream.

sexyllama
05-02-2011, 01:16 PM
Agree with you the secondary had issues but it was not exactly the AFC North equivalent of the Houston Texans secondary

The secondary got torched by Rodgers and Brady (as well as Brees in the second half of the Saints game) but I was surprised to come across this stat from SI.com in a draft evaluation that ripped Belichick for not addressing the Patriots pass defense and noted that a pass defense includes both pass coverage and pass rush

The Patriots have been haunted by failures on pass defense every year since their last Super Bowl victory, and especially handicapped by the lack of an elite pass rusher. They simply ignored the problem in the draft. New England will not win a Super Bowl again until its mundane Defensive Passer Rating improves by 10 to 15 points. The top two teams in DPR last year? Green Bay No. 1; Pittsburgh No. 2.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/kerry_byrne/05/01/draft.grades/1.html

FWIW the author of this article gave the Steelers a B+ on their draft

What I liked: The obsession with linemen.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/kerry_byrne/05/01/draft.grades/2.html

I completely agree with you Atlanta. We aren't horrible and once again the "steelers are the best evar! don't say anything mean" people always reply and exaggerate what was said.

We play a lot of average teams with bad QB's so our DPR is great until you look at NE and GB.

We don't need Revis but WE do need a Nickel and Dime DB that are super solid like Deshea Townsend. Right now, We have:

1. FA-Ike
2. McFadden
3. FA-Gay
4. FA- Anthony Madison
5. 3rd round talent Keenan Lewis (never played a down)
6. 5th round talent C. Butler (never played a down)
7. 3rd round talent C. Brown (Rookie)
8. 4th round talent C. Allen (Rookie)

Llama

thumper
05-02-2011, 01:44 PM
I am hoping this kid's injuries is why he regressed the last season. 2 seasons
ago he was considered an upcoming, 1st-round in the draft star. But he didn't
improve, he actually got worse. But then I heard he was dinged. If he is the player
everyone thought he was 2 seasons ago, then we got a great pick. But if he is
the soft-looking, not-too-aggressive player of last season, he could be a bust.

Steelerindc
05-02-2011, 02:12 PM
Does anyone think with Lake being the DB coach that he can get these guys to play any better. Being as though he played with a HOF'er and replaced one year and did a damn good job at it.

theplatypus
05-02-2011, 02:16 PM
Does anyone think with Lake being the DB coach that he can get these guys to play any better. Being as though he played with a HOF'er and replaced one year and did a damn good job at it.

I'm pretty sure the Steelers had that in mind when he was hired.

thumper
05-02-2011, 02:31 PM
Does anyone think with Lake being the DB coach that he can get these guys to play any better. Being as though he played with a HOF'er and replaced one year and did a damn good job at it.

I don't think that b/c Lake had awesome physical talent and drive
that those traits will bleed over into coaching the new guys. I really
don't think coaches make _that_ much a difference and just b/c a
former-player was great does it mean those he coaches will become
great.

Mean Joe Greene was epic. But as a coach, he was nothing special.

cloppbeast
05-02-2011, 03:01 PM
0. People say you (and the Steelers) never draft for NEED. Uh.. Pouncey? We needed offensive line and we drafted him. Uh... Santonio.. uh we need a receiver and we drafted him. The whole bullshit we don't draft for need is utterly stupid.

We always draft a need, that's why we're not going to draft a QB, Center, TE, or DE in the next 4-5 years even if someone at that position happens to be the BPA becasue we're set there. We don't always our biggest need. We have a few/bunch of position areas we're going to consider and we draft the best player from those positions. There's a very rational reason we do this and it's exactly the reason we're consistently in Super Bowl contention.

Center wasn't necessarilly our biggest need last year, but we still went with Pouncey. A lot of people were upset that we didn't go with a CB with 18 last year because they felt that was our biggest need. We drafted Pouncey because we had a need at Center and because he was the best player available. When we drafted Santonio, we had needs at OLB, O-line, CB. We went with Holmes because he was the BPA.

You can't argue that we didn't need a DE to develope, seeing that both starters will be 33, and 36 next season.

1. My reasoning it perfectly fine. We didn't do enough to raise the talent level in our secondary. Are you telling me we the DB's have more talent now than before draft? Seriously?

Perhaps not. But you seem to be insuating we made poor draft choices because of that. What I'm telling you is, the Steelers aren't going to draft a guy because we have a need at that position. They will only take a guy if they think he's going to be good, that is, better than other guys they need at other positions that are available in the draft. This is the best policy to employ for a team that wants to sustain a winning franchise.

1a. With the labor situation, do you think a 3rd Round CB and a 4th Round Project Athlete CB have a real chance to succeed with no coaching or access to the playbook. (I totally agree with you that past the CB Harris the draft was a roll-of-the-dice at best on CB's)

I would say probably better than any other position we addressed in round 3-4.

4. Did I say we were doomed? Once again ... NO. Did I say the the draft picks were horrible? Uh, NO. I said we didn't draft well for our biggest weakness. If you look at the facts listed above I'm still correct.

I really can't argue with this. CB was our biggest weakness and we didn't do much to improve it. This I admit. But, I don't have a problem with it. You seem to be saying this was a mistake, while I disagree.

5a. Totally agree with you that only NE and GB or a hot/lucky QB can do that to us. Unfortunately, we need luck or we'll have to play one of those teams to in the Playoffs. Do we currently have the DB talent and depth to defend vs. NE/GB... I'd still say "NO"

Every team needs luck. No team matches up with every other team perfectly. In 2007, The Patriots would have beat 31 out of 32 teams in the SB, but they just happened to play the one that could beat them. If they rearanged their whole drafting philosophy just the beat the Giants, they risk giving up their stranglehold on the rest of the league.

Not every team has the fire-power to spread us out. Most notably, nobody in our division can - at least to this poine Joe Flacco hasn't showed the ability to sling it against us. With that in mind, I'm glad the Steelers didn't alter their strategy to beat Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers.

5b. Once again, we match up well with many conventional offenses so our Nickel and Dime don't get exposed but when we do get exposed it's an EPIC blowout.

ok

5d. I don't think I'm exaggerating the fact that our Defense doesn't handle the NFL variant of the Spread Offense well. It's pretty well known and it's still our biggest weakness.

You exagerate by suggesting we should have dropped everything and drafted a CB in the first round because it's our biggest weakness, even if their were better players available at other positions.

sexyllama
05-02-2011, 03:58 PM
2009-10, the OL was a huge need and Pouncey replaced the weakest link in JH. JH was dominated by NT's and his production was in steep decline.
2010-11, the OL was snake-bitten by injuries, I don't think we could possibly have that many injuries again

As far as our Draft, I've never said or insinuated it was even remotely horrible. I actually like Gilbert and Heyward. I just find it a little dubious that the 11th DE taken in the 1st Round is a dominant game-changing gem that 30 other teams missed. Seeing that Ras and Aaron went 33/34, player rating-wise, I don't see a big difference with selecting either one of them but time will tell. (i.e. I've never said drop everything and move up in the draft)

With the unknown status of Aaron Smith, maybe DE it was our biggest need.
With so many UFA DB's, I'm thinking they have some free agent plans to address our depth. I'm not saying a 10m Free agent DB, just some solid Deshea Townsend cover ability.

Llama

sexyllama
05-02-2011, 04:07 PM
Coaching can make a HUGE difference.

Just look at what our Offensive Line Coach did in one year. Even with the injuries, the OL was a substantial upgrade over 2009-10 season, obviously a 1st round draft pick helps but they were at least very competitive. Not incredible but who could be with so many injuries.

Llama

finesward
05-02-2011, 04:39 PM
I don't think a DE will ever be a game changing gem in our system...BUT that doesn't mean they don't hold more value to making our system work than say a CB. That's why you pick heyward over Williams, Ras-I, and Harris. That's what makes it a better pick.

As far as the kid from citadel...a gamble? Yes...they also said the same thing about our current #1 CB Ike Taylor. Small school kid with size and skills but needed time to progress. Why not take a gamble? Like you said (and I said previously) it's a 4th rounder, no big deal if he doesn't pan out. And with the lockout I think NO CB that was available would of been able to contribute right away. We never draft players to fill in right away. Sometimes it works out that way (pouncey, ben roth) but it's not how we operate as a franchise.

What it comes down to is you hold a different drafting philosophy than the steelers.

You would pick the BPA in the area of highest need (CB)
The steelers would (and did) pick the BPA out of all the areas of need. (CB, DL, and OL)

That's it. Mystery solved.

You say you don't understand why we didn't go CB b/c the two guys available went 33/34...It's b/c we value DE more highly than CB's in our system. That's how I see it. And now your considering that DE might of been the highest overall team need, in which case the pick makes even more sense doesn't it?

cloppbeast
05-02-2011, 06:01 PM
As far as our Draft, I've never said or insinuated it was even remotely horrible.

You didn't insuate that it was horrible, you insuated that we should have taken a CB instead of Heyward.

I just find it a little dubious that the 11th DE taken in the 1st Round is a dominant game-changing gem that 30 other teams missed. Seeing that Ras and Aaron went 33/34, player rating-wise, I don't see a big difference with selecting either one of them but time will tell.

Most of the defensive ends taken in the first round were 3-4 DEs that would correlate more closely to a OLB in the Steelers 4-3 scheme. So essentially, you comparing 2 different positions that share the same name. A DE in LeBeau's scheme would need to be around 300 lbs in order to take double teams and fortify the LOS. Defensive ends in a 4-3 rush the passer, essentially.

There were 7 DEs taken before Heyward, and only 3 of them maybe could have played 3-4 DE. These 4 couldn't:

7th Aldon Smith - 260 lbs
14th Robert Quinn - 265 lbs
16th Ryan Kerrigan - 267 lbs
20th Adrian Claybord - 280 lbs

So really, Heyward was the 3rd selected at his position, if you were to assume JJ Watt and Cameron Jordon could play 3-4 DE, but I doubt that.

Anyway, no two drafts are the same. Ben was the 3rd QB taken in his draft but was better than most QBs taken first. You can't assume other teams know what they're doing (of course, on truly can't assume the Steelers know what they're doing, either. But, we're going to have to take somebody's word for it, and the Steelers have a much better track record than most teams, and they are especially more reliable than most of the journalists you guys have quoted)

With so many UFA DB's, I'm thinking they have some free agent plans to address our depth. I'm not saying a 10m Free agent DB, just some solid Deshea Townsend cover ability.

I doubt it. I only believe they plan on resigning Taylor and Gay.

cloppbeast
05-02-2011, 06:07 PM
I don't think a DE will ever be a game changing gem in our system...

You don't miss your water until your well runs dry. Defensive End is one of those positions you don't appreciate until it's gone. Remember when Aaron Smith was injured in 2007? Our run defense was horrible after that. We didn't have to worry about teams passing all over us because they just shoved the rock down our throats.

You say you don't understand why we didn't go CB b/c the two guys available went 33/34...It's b/c we value DE more highly than CB's in our system. That's how I see it. And now your considering that DE might of been the highest overall team need, in which case the pick makes even more sense doesn't it?

Well said.

finesward
05-02-2011, 06:41 PM
Totally agree clopp. They may not be flashy or make splash plays like traditional 4-3 DE's such as Peppers, Mario Williams, Freeney, Tuck, etc... but the guys we have are just as valuable to us. And like ya said when one of them goes down (smith in 07) it's so painful to watch. We seem to have picked a good future starter in ziggy, and hopefully got another good one w/ Heyward. That position has gone from dire need to potentially set for the next 7-10 years.

bubbletownwr88
05-02-2011, 07:10 PM
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thumper
05-02-2011, 07:10 PM
Totally agree clopp. They may not be flashy or make splash plays like traditional 4-3 DE's such as Peppers, Mario Williams, Freeney, Tuck, etc... but the guys we have are just as valuable to us. And like ya said when one of them goes down (smith in 07) it's so painful to watch. We seem to have picked a good future starter in ziggy, and hopefully got another good one w/ Heyward. That position has gone from dire need to potentially set for the next 7-10 years.

That is why I am not having a fit over going DE with our first pick. I believe
they think Heyward is more special than any CB we could have grabbed
there. One reason why we contend almost every year is because they
never miss on our first rounder - not since Jermain Stephens and Huey
Richardson.

:wink02:

bubbletownwr88
05-02-2011, 07:12 PM
this is my draft while being involved with this site but i'm pretty sure i heard you guys were crying because we didn't pick Kyle Wilson and see how that panned out? these guys are getting paid and know what they are doing

PhantomJB93
05-02-2011, 08:08 PM
I think Adams definitely deserves another year at RT. Colon can swing in to guard and we can draft a legitimate LT to replace Adams so Starks can swing back over to RT. I think Gilbert will wind up a guard, I don't see him starting at tackle for us, and when he's ready he will replace either Kemo or Colon, depending on how long Colon factors into our long term plans.

cloppbeast
05-02-2011, 09:15 PM
this is my draft while being involved with this site but i'm pretty sure i heard you guys were crying because we didn't pick Kyle Wilson and see how that panned out? these guys are getting paid and know what they are doing

I thought we should have grabbed Kyle Wilson myself. That's when I learned for good that the Steelers know a hell of a lot more about who to draft than I do.