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thumper
04-30-2011, 02:26 PM
Why? It was going so well and now this wasted pick.

Do they have some deal with the devil that they have to
pick LBs each year regardless of how many they
already have and how many more units need help?

I would have much rather seen a OL, NT or WR or DB taken.

Oh well, hope they make enough good picks to offset their
retarded over-the-top LB picks.

PhantomJB93
04-30-2011, 02:29 PM
Chirs Carter had a 3rd or 4th round grade so they saw him as the BPA. Plus Worilds is our only back up OLB, I dont mind adding depth.

But I agree I wish we went NT here.

SH-Rock
04-30-2011, 02:29 PM
You got to look at the situation.

Woodley could be asking for crazy money.
Timmons contract is up after this season as well.
Farrior is probably done after this year.
Harrison is getting up there in age.
Foote is an expensive back up.

I'm seeing that 1-2 players will be gone from there.

Which leaves

Carter
Sly
Worilids to fill in those shoes.

StainlessStill
04-30-2011, 02:37 PM
I love this whole draft, and being a diehard Steelers fan for awhile now, this is the EXACT format I'd expect them to follow. If a linebacker of value is there in the later rounds you bet your ass that Steel-town is going to welcome a position that rocks Pittsburgh with open arms. You say it's a wasted pick but yet, it's the defense that has driven our foundation since the early days and how we go about things.

1. DE
2. OG
3. CB
4.CB
5. OLB

A pure draft with drafting a beast that was best available at a given position, met our needs within the next couple years and also a special teams/future pass-rusher added to the mix. It's what we do. Deal with it, I love it.

thumper
04-30-2011, 02:37 PM
Too small to play classic 4-3 end position at the next level, and has limited experience playing off the line. Lacks the bulk and power to shed bigger blockers and make plays against the run once he loses arm extension and leverage. Will give up pursuit on run plays that he feels are out of his range. Has limited experience playing in space and seems overwhelmed when dropping into zone coverage as a linebacker. Struggles to keep his eyes in the backfield while maintaining a track on receivers in his zone. Displays sluggish reaction to the run, getting a late start toward the ball carrier. Possesses instincts of a defensive end, but frame and physical makeup of a linebacker.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1621066/chris-carter

He has never player LB or anything with his hand not on
the ground. He is a one trick pony - goes after QB. That
will not work in trying to play OLB in the 3-4. No way. He is
going to be lost out there. Can't play in space at all. Why not
pick up an OG or DB that has a chance to make the team instead
of a tweener who has no shot at making the team?

SH-Rock
04-30-2011, 02:39 PM
Another thread wasn't necessary for the same complaint....

thumper
04-30-2011, 02:46 PM
One major problem: Quan Sturdivant, ILB, was still on the board.
Our ILB situation is even more thin than OLB, where even one
of our ILBs, Timmons, is a more natural OLB to begin with. Farrior
is way old. This Sturdivant kid was there and was considered the
top 3 ILB in the entire draft. And yet, they reach for a kid who, if
they are lucky, might be able to play OLB some day. He certainly
isn't ready now. Why would they not take Sturdivant? We need ILBs
more than OLB. There was a stud for the taking, and they had to
make a pick just to surprise ppl instead of just making the pick
that made sense.

A converted high school quarterback and safety, Sturdivant proved a quick study in 2007, starting five games at outside linebacker and appearing in all 12 while posting 47 tackles, 1.5 tackles for loss, one sack, one interception and a blocked punt.

Sturdivant exploded onto the national scene a year later, registering an NCAA-leading 87 solo tackles (122 total) to go along with 5.5 tackles for loss, two sacks and another two interceptions. As a junior, despite alternating between inside and his customary outside linebacker position, Sturdivant again led the talented UNC defense in tackles, registering 79 stops, including 12 tackles for loss.

theplatypus
04-30-2011, 02:54 PM
One major problem: Quan Sturdivant, ILB, was still on the board.
Our ILB situation is even more thin than OLB, where even one
of our ILBs, Timmons, is a more natural OLB to begin with. Farrior
is way old. This Sturdivant kid was there and was considered the
top 3 ILB in the entire draft. And yet, they reach for a kid who, if
they are lucky, might be able to play OLB some day. He certainly
isn't ready now. Why would they not take Sturdivant? We need ILBs
more than OLB. There was a stud for the taking, and they had to
make a pick just to surprise ppl instead of just making the pick
that made sense.


I read somewhere that he had some character issues and a love for the weed.

SteelManiac55
04-30-2011, 02:57 PM
One major problem: Quan Sturdivant, ILB, was still on the board.
Our ILB situation is even more thin than OLB, where even one
of our ILBs, Timmons, is a more natural OLB to begin with. Farrior
is way old. This Sturdivant kid was there and was considered the
top 3 ILB in the entire draft. And yet, they reach for a kid who, if
they are lucky, might be able to play OLB some day. He certainly
isn't ready now. Why would they not take Sturdivant? We need ILBs
more than OLB. There was a stud for the taking, and they had to
make a pick just to surprise ppl instead of just making the pick
that made sense.

How did they reach for a guy that was projected by some to be a third round pick?

thumper
04-30-2011, 02:58 PM
I read somewhere that he had some character issues and a love for the weed.

Love for the hippie lettuce is enough for this team to pass, we know that.
I don't agree, but it is what it is.

StainlessStill
04-30-2011, 02:59 PM
I heard Tom Brady lacked arm strength and lacked in every credential category to translate into a NFL QB.

Who gives a rats ass what these so-called experts say about these guys when breaking them down. All of these men need work, they are young kids yet to experience what football is all about at being a true professional when it comes to what you do to your body, the vigorus workouts & the systems and technique they will be taught at an expertise level.

SH-Rock
04-30-2011, 02:59 PM
Quan Sturdivant
Strengths:
Sturdivant is a rangy 'backer with good speed. Reads quickly, fills fast and shows the ability to blow up run plays in the backfield. Drops smoothly in coverage and is athletic enough to stick with backs and tight ends in man coverage. Solid tackler that consistently wraps the ball carrier.

Weaknesses:
Does not have the strength to take on blockers, struggles to shed quickly and gets lost in traffic too often. Over-aggressive at times and is vulnerable to play fakes. Struggles to break down ball carriers in space. Inconsistent motor prevents him from getting to the quarterback when blitzing. Has some character concerns.

thumper
04-30-2011, 03:00 PM
How did they reach for a guy that was projected by some to be a third round pick?

Fair enough. I say "reach" because he is so fully used to being a
down DE and odds are he will never be able to learn to play in
space, meaning, he is unlikely to stick. I mean, everything I have
read says he has no clue how to do anything but simply rush the
passer, and no way can you get away with just doing that as a LB
in our 3-4 system.

sexyllama
04-30-2011, 03:02 PM
Yeah, I wouldn't doubt the LB scouts and coaches on the Steelers.

All of these kids past the 2nd are pretty much projects but I like the Steelers in regards to the LB projects.

Llama

StainlessStill
04-30-2011, 03:04 PM
Fair enough. I say "reach" because he is so fully used to being a
down DE and odds are he will never be able to learn to play in
space, meaning, he is unlikely to stick. I mean, everything I have
read says he has no clue how to do anything but simply rush the
passer, and no way can you get away with just doing that as a LB
in our 3-4 system.

You simply won't find out until you put him in a coachable position at the NFL level and let him work out the kinks of what we see in him, which is a potential pass-rusher and special teams contributor. The whole reason for an entire coaching staff, top to bottom, is to develop these guys. These kids are green right now and probably can't do the things right now that they are capable of doing in the NFL when taught.

You read a lot now but just because he "lacks to play in space" now doesn't necc mean he never will eventually when put in the right position by his coach's and learn from the players around him. What better defensive minded team could he go to than Pittsburgh? We know what we are doing.

LVSteelersfan
04-30-2011, 03:21 PM
Once again people pick on the Steelers late draft picks. This team is still LOADED and anyone who is picked up past the 3rd or 4th round will probably be gone or on a practice squad this year. If they don't get this stupid CBA under control, there is not one rookie in this league that will be ready to play when the season starts. If they can get Taylor re-signed, the Steelers are better than most teams out there with the players they already have. the first three picks were solid picks. 4th round is always a tossup. Anyone that is good past that is just gravy in a draft any way.

StainlessStill
04-30-2011, 03:23 PM
Once again people pick on the Steelers late draft picks. This team is still LOADED and anyone who is picked up past the 3rd or 4th round will probably be gone or on a practice squad this year. If they don't get this stupid CBA under control, there is not one rookie in this league that will be ready to play when the season starts. If they can get Taylor re-signed, the Steelers are better than most teams out there with the players they already have. the first three picks were solid picks. 4th round is always a tossup. Anyone that is good past that is just gravy in a draft any way.

Good post. Well said.

Kingmagyar
04-30-2011, 03:28 PM
This vid of Chris Carter on youtube reminds me a lot of James Harrison.... Who Knows. He does have great burst onto the QB and brings him down fast and violently.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMVtxfRt8ok

StainlessStill
04-30-2011, 03:32 PM
This vid of Chris Carter on youtube reminds me a lot of James Harrison.... Who Knows. He does have great burst onto the QB and brings him down fast and violently.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMVtxfRt8ok

I noticed that as well. In every single video I see of him, his motor is constantly running, he explodes off the ball, uses his body with a nice technique and most importantly, tackles with aggression and the manor to hurt his opponents. Looks solid to me. Hopefully his aggression carries on over to the next level.

SwannWorth88
04-30-2011, 04:03 PM
No real complaints here. We are deep at WR. At some point we need to come up with a decent back up to Troy at Safety, because when he's out, we've got issues. And he seems to be becoming an injury risk every year.

And we're not going to find that this late in the draft.

mesaSteeler
04-30-2011, 05:13 PM
Steelers Get C(h)ris Carter…the LB Not the WR
Posted on April 30, 2011 by ryan
http://www.steelerslounge.com/2011/04/steelers-chris-carterthe-lb-wr/

Gretz IM to me, 3:02 p.m.: “we haven’t taken a linebacker yet.”

Fifteen minutes later the Steelers draft defensive end Chris Carter from Fresno State who will move to linebacker in the NFL. Carter is listed at 6-1, 248, hoofed a 4.62 40 at the combine, and threw up 225 27 times. (Other shorts and t-shirt stats that may interest you: 36-inch vertical, 6.88 three-cone drill, 4.34 20-yard shuttle.) As for actual football, Carter had 55 tackles (16.5 for loss) and 11 sacks during the 2010 season.

Reader pghshawn tweeted us this shortly after Steelers selected Carter: “@Steelers_Lounge I don’t get it…unless they plan on bringing him inside”.

I’ll be honest, I don’t know anything about the kid other than what others tell me, which is why I now happily share with you Mike Mayock’s thoughts on Carter:

“Chris Carter to me is a 4-3 hand-in-the-dirt defensive end that was the WAC Defensive of the Year that will either be asked to play SAM linebacker in a 4-3 or a rush linebacker in a 3-4.

“Remember, Pittsburgh’s a team — as far as rush linebackers are concerned — that doesn’t care much about length. New England wants those 6-3, 6-4, 6-5 guys, but when you’re talking about Woodley and Harrison, Pittsburgh cares more about explosion. And Carter’s got some explosion. It’s a little bit of a risk because he’s a conversion guy but I really like Chris Carter.”

As to why the Steelers took him, Jason La Canfora said scouts compared Carter to Von Miller, and that the Ravens, who had two compensatory picks at the end of the fifth round, might have been interested in him. And this: Carter was the best player on the Steelers’ draft board. Plus, there’s a good chance Anthony Madison’s days are numbered given today’s draft haul, and, hell, Keenan Lewis might not be far behind. Which means Carter was taken for his special-teams potential, too. I know Madison doesn’t fill the same role as say, Stevenson Sylvester, but you can never have too many psychopaths on that unit.

For what it’s worth (and at this point in the proceedings, I’d imagine not much … but I’m going with it anyway), NFLDraftScout.com had Carter projected to go in the third round. Now, draft peeps often list 40-50 guys as projected to go in a particular round. Mathematical laws prohibit that from actually happening, which means players inevitably fall. So who the hell knows. I will now show a Chris Carter highlight video to distract you while I sneak out the back.

(Another project LB. This draft blows chunks. Who should we cut so he has a roster spot, Woodley, Timmions, Harrison, etc. - mesa)

fuzzy159
04-30-2011, 05:16 PM
Carter is a steal in the 5th round I don't know why you guys are upset...

Harrison isn't young and it doesn't hurt to add depth to the most important position for the Steelers defensive scheme.

It was the 5th round and there wasn't much talent left. Carter was the most talented in the Steelers' eyes and he could be a huge sleeper pick.

GMU Steeler
04-30-2011, 05:17 PM
Isn't Worillds the only backup OLB on the roster? Never hurts to have depth at that position since we develop those well plus there's the uncertainity with Woodley's contract and Harrison getting up there in age.

mesaSteeler
04-30-2011, 05:45 PM
Ed: OLB Needs Time; Will NFL Give it to Him?
Saturday, 30 April 2011 15:58
Written by Ed Bouchette
http://plus.sites.post-gazette.com/index.php/pro-sports/steelers/109674-ed-olb-needs-time-will-nfl-give-it-to-him

The Steelers drafted another developmental player on the fifth round, outside linebacker Chris Carter of Fresno State. He played defensive end in college and will convert to outside linebacker in the 3-4 with the Steelers. That’s typical and the way many outside linebackers have made their way here from undersized college defensive ends.

The problem this season, though, is there is no preseason. The owners have locked out the players so there is no opportunity for players such as Carter and their fourth-round pick, small-college cornerback Cortez Allen of The Citadel to develop. The longer this thing drags on, the more these rookies will be left out in the cold and of no use to the team in 2011, if there is a season.

Linebackers coach Keith Butler pointed to the example of Thaddeus Gibson last year. He was in the same boat, trying to learn the outside linebacker position in the pros but he could not join the Steelers until Ohio State’s school term ended in June.

That put him far behind and he never caught up and ultimately was released by the Steelers.

For those OLBs making the transition like Carter, it usually takes two years, Butler noted. The lockout won’t help that process.

steelers33
04-30-2011, 06:34 PM
The guy seems to have some explosion,it never hurts us to have another explosive linebacker. Also Stuardivants character concerns does not match the Steelers organization.

ebsteelers
04-30-2011, 11:24 PM
people love to bitch, james harrison was undrafted remember that

SH-Rock
04-30-2011, 11:32 PM
Like I said before, Woodley or Timmons might get released. Farrior is up there in age and this might be his last season. Harrison might have 2-3 years left as well. Foote is likely gone after this season.So lets look at if Woodley was to be released and Farrior retired at the end of the season.

Sly takes Farrior's place
Worilids takes Woodley's place.
Which would leave Carter as the back up.

Now lets look at this way. Woodley and Timmons are both kept. Farrior retires and Harrison retires in 2-3 years.

Sly takes Farrior's place
and according to the article mesa posted, it would take 2-3 years for Carter to develop. So we have Worilids or Carter competing for the starting job. And competition never hurt anyone right?

Jason La Canfora: OLB Chris Carter, Steelers, Round 5 (162) — I have a feeling the Steelers are going to be able to get legit bang for the buck out of Carter. I love the fit there. A scout told me, “If you love Von Miller, you’re going to at least like this kid.”

DanRooney
05-01-2011, 02:13 AM
Why? It was going so well and now this wasted pick.

Do they have some deal with the devil that they have to
pick LBs each year regardless of how many they
already have and how many more units need help?

I would have much rather seen a OL, NT or WR or DB taken.

Oh well, hope they make enough good picks to offset their
retarded over-the-top LB picks.

THADDEUS GIBSON :banging:

Aussie Steeler
05-01-2011, 04:21 AM
LOL. Carter is a massive steal! that kid is a weapon in a few years time especially in the steelers defense and overload blitzes.

55BaileyFan
05-01-2011, 06:41 AM
Why? It was going so well and now this wasted pick.

Do they have some deal with the devil that they have to
pick LBs each year regardless of how many they
already have and how many more units need help?

I would have much rather seen a OL, NT or WR or DB taken.

Oh well, hope they make enough good picks to offset their
retarded over-the-top LB picks.

How many OL and CB do you guys want? I don' think any of these guys will make immediate impacts, they need some maturing. James Harrison is getting older and the Steelers need to ALWAYS upgrade their pass rush.

This guy had 11 sacks and 4 forced fumbles last year (7th and 5th in the NCAA) I love this pick, you have to always upgrade your talent and I think that the Steelers know what they are doing.