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thumper
04-30-2011, 06:29 PM
Surfing the web, that is what I am seeing. Most
have Cle, Balt and Cinci all with better drafts than we had.

Not saying it means a thing. But it is interesting. Consensus is meaningless
right now. I have little problem with the positions they drafted for, but some
problem with the players they chose. They left better talent out there for
many of their picks.

mesaSteeler
04-30-2011, 06:35 PM
AFC North draft analysis
By James Walker
http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/40260/afc-north-draft-analysis-3

The 2011 NFL draft has reached its conclusion, and this is the time of year when every coach and general manager feels great about their selections.

The AFC North is annually one of the toughest divisions in football, with two powerhouse teams in the Baltimore Ravens and Pittsburgh Steelers. The Cleveland Browns and Cincinnati Bengals are trying to close the gap by acquiring good talent in this draft.

With that in mind, here is a look at the draft decisions made within the division:

BEST MOVE

The biggest draft trade this week was made by the Browns, who gained five draft picks from the Atlanta Falcons for the No. 6 overall pick. The trade eliminated the chance the Browns would make a huge splash in the first round but sets the team up well to add talent gradually to a thin roster.

Atlanta took Alabama receiver Julio Jones with the sixth pick, while the Browns added Baylor defensive tackle Phil Taylor in the first round after a trade back up to No. 21 with the Kansas City Chiefs. Cleveland also drafted North Carolina receiver Greg Little with Atlanta's second-round pick and Stanford fullback Owen Marecic with the Falcons' fourth-round pick.

Next year Cleveland will have three additional picks from the Falcons -- including their first-rounder -- and nine draft picks total. That should help the Browns continue to build a solid foundation.

"Because of how the draft fell, we did absolutely the right thing," Browns president Mike Holmgren said of the trade.

Ironically, the Falcons made a similar offer to the Bengals, who passed because they didn't believe equal value was there at No. 4. So the Bengals took Georgia receiver A.J. Green, and Cleveland was more than happy to trade with Atlanta at No. 6.

RISKIEST MOVE

The Ravens decided to take a risk on Colorado cornerback Jimmy Smith in the first round.
The Ravens went all in with a player many teams refused to touch.

Colorado cornerback Jimmy Smith, one of the most talented players in the draft, was taken by Baltimore with the No. 27 overall pick. Smith has a lengthy track record of off-the-field issues, which reportedly include three failed drug tests, two alcohol-related violations and an arrest for third-degree assault.

But the Ravens went through a lengthy research and interview process with Smith to dig into his background and personality. They felt comfortable with the selection.

"Every pick, there is some bit of a gamble in it," Ravens general manager Ozzie Newsome said. "But we trust our process. We trust the people that got the opportunity to spend time with him, and there was a number of people that had that opportunity to spend some time with him."

There is no questioning Smith's ability. Baltimore's pass defense has been inconsistent the past few seasons, and the team believes Smith has the potential to be a shutdown corner.

Some around the league have compared Smith to Nnamdi Asomugha in terms of pure talent. That is very high praise. But the Ravens have to make sure they keep Smith on the field to reach his potential.

"This guy, he's a special player," Ravens head coach John Harbaugh said. "He's exactly the type of corner that we're looking for. He fits our defense just the way we need him to fit our defense."

MOST SURPRISING MOVE

The most surprising move in the AFC North could be considered a non-move early in the draft by the Steelers. The team didn't address its biggest need -- cornerback -- until the middle rounds.

The Steelers are known for drafting developmental players at that position. But because the Steelers were so thin there this year, they were expected to go against that trend and get one of the top prospects in the first two rounds.

Instead, the Steelers stayed true to form by drafting Texas corner Curtis Brown in the third round and Cortez Allen from the Citadel in the fourth round. Perhaps these players can make an immediate impact, but it's rare that third- and fourth-round picks become starting corners for a playoff team as rookies.

No. 1 corner Ike Taylor and top reserve William Gay are both free agents, and there's no guarantee either player will return. The Green Bay Packers' passing game torched the Steelers in Super Bowl XLV. Pittsburgh didn't do enough in the draft to ease those concerns.

FILE IT AWAY

Second-round pick Andy Dalton became the ninth quarterback the Cincinnati Bengals have drafted in the past 20 years. Cincinnati has very high hopes for Dalton, but its track record hasn't been good.

Since 1991, the Bengals have had a series of misses that include David Klingler, Akili Smith and Donald Hollas. The one hit was Carson Palmer, which wasn't difficult to scout because he was the No. 1 overall pick in 2003. Some would even argue that Palmer was a bust -- at least relative to the expectations that came with his lofty draft status.

Because Palmer is expected to be traded or retire, the Bengals hope Dalton can buck their trend of quarterback misses and develop into a quality starter.

steelers33
04-30-2011, 06:39 PM
Bro, are you really taking the opinion of random internet people over one of the best GMs in the NFL who consistently fields one of the most competitive teams in football with the players he has drafted?

fuzzy159
04-30-2011, 06:39 PM
I remember last year when everyone was praising the Ravens for the amazing draft they had and the Steelers just got an average grade.

At the end of the season it was the other way around.

Atlanta Dan
04-30-2011, 06:43 PM
Surfing the web, that is what I am seeing. Most
have Cle, Balt and Cinci all with better drafts than we had. .

Because we know the best way to judge a draft is to have sportswriters and (now) bloggers who are so talented they do not have jobs with NFL teams assess who "won" the draft on the same day it is completed

If a player's ranking going into the draft meant squat first round busts would be in the Hall of Fame

Given that the Steelers had the lowest draft position of any AFC North team I suppose they should be regarded as having drafted the least talent if the system works as it is supposed to

StainlessStill
04-30-2011, 06:51 PM
Surfing the web, that is what I am seeing. Most
have Cle, Balt and Cinci all with better drafts than we had.

Not saying it means a thing. But it is interesting. Consensus is meaningless
right now. I have little problem with the positions they drafted for, but some
problem with the players they chose. They left better talent out there for
many of their picks.

Stop surfing the web and reading too much into what Joe Schmo says about our draft. Like any other draft before us, we are always on the "average" side of things. Okay with me. Point is, we will not know the value of this 2011 draft until the 3 year range where all the players could be evaluated accordingly.

An hour after? Not so much. Givin the last couple drafts and where we drafted with best available at where we've been picking consistently and always drafting needs in mid-late round picks, I'm confident in our own philosophy to think we did our job and we did it well.

vindrow
04-30-2011, 06:57 PM
From what I have experienced you can't really grade a draft at least for a couple of years...to see who from this draft class are solid starters and who are gone.

Sixburgher
04-30-2011, 07:24 PM
Seems like the consensus around here is that the Steelers had the worst draft in the league, never mind the division.

SH-Rock
04-30-2011, 07:41 PM
You can't make everyone happy. This draft grade today doesn't mean anything. Great players will have natural abilities, but they are made through great coaching, work ethic and motivation.

fer522
04-30-2011, 07:41 PM
i guess its better to have an "averege"( or even below average) drafts and be a contender each year
than to have a "great" draft and suck ass each year :noidea:

CaliStillersFan
04-30-2011, 07:51 PM
When did Steeler Nation turn into a bunch of whiny sniveling crybabies? I guess this is what happens when your team is successful; it attracts people that don't have a clue about what makes our team successful.

MasterOfPuppets
04-30-2011, 08:10 PM
Because we know the best way to judge a draft is to have sportswriters and (now) bloggers who are so talented they do not have jobs with NFL teams assess who "won" the draft on the same day it is completed

If a player's ranking going into the draft meant squat first round busts would be in the Hall of Fame

Given that the Steelers had the lowest draft position of any AFC North team I suppose they should be regarded as having drafted the least talent if the system works as it is supposed to
hold on Dan..let me see if i'm pickin up what your puttin down...
:scratchchin:
so you're saying... the teams that pick in the top 5 , or top 10 , should have better drafts than the team picking 31 st just because they have a bunch more options to choose from ???
:huh: that's very profound...
obviously there's a flaw in your logic... otherwise those top ten pickers would have better players which would translate to better records, which would translate to lower draft selections....right ? :noidea:

SH-Rock
04-30-2011, 08:17 PM
hold on Dan..let me see if i'm pickin up what your puttin down...
:scratchchin:
so you're saying... the teams that pick in the top 5 , or top 10 , should have better drafts than the team picking 31 st just because they have a bunch more options to choose from ???
:huh: that's very profound...
obviously there's a flaw in your logic... otherwise those top ten pickers would have better players which would translate to better records, which would translate to lower draft selections....right ? :noidea:

Yup it should work like that. So after years of picking in the upper echelon of the first round, we should be picking top 5 next year I think? Amidoinrite?

theplatypus
04-30-2011, 08:29 PM
i guess its better to have an "averege"( or even below average) drafts and be a contender each year
than to have a "great" draft and suck ass each year :noidea:


DING DING DING

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN WE HAVE A WINNER!!!

MasterOfPuppets
04-30-2011, 08:38 PM
do they get a trophy and rings for "winning" the draft ??? :huh:

or is their prize another top 10 pick next year ??? :noidea:

Raw Steel
04-30-2011, 08:40 PM
The Browns are showing their genius. They draft a 3-4 nose tackle to play in the 4-3.

55BaileyFan
04-30-2011, 09:54 PM
We always get an average grade. We don't draft flashy picks we draft solid guys and people who build depth for us.

Navy86
04-30-2011, 09:57 PM
Every year, the first week after the draft, the Steelers receive grades like B-, C+. Then 3 or 4 years later when they re-evaluate the drafts, the Steelers usually end up having one of the top drafts for that year overall. I can only hope that this year is the same. We take guys that fit our system and character rather than draft the "spash" name that year. And just like you said Raw Steel, the Browns selected a 3-4 NT to play in 4-3 system, and they traded up for him when he likely still would've been there at 27. And good luck Andy Dalton throwing in November and December outside in Cinci, Cleveland, Baltimore and Pittsburgh with less than optimal arm strength. When Jimmy Smith gets suspended within the next 2 years for any number of off-field incidents, then tell me who had the best draft in the AFC North. Yep, I'm perfectly fine with our draft strategy year after year.

finesward
04-30-2011, 10:02 PM
AFC North draft analysis
By James Walker
http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/40260/afc-north-draft-analysis-3

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MOST SURPRISING MOVE

The most surprising move in the AFC North could be considered a non-move early in the draft by the Steelers. The team didn't address its biggest need -- cornerback -- until the middle rounds.

The Steelers are known for drafting developmental players at that position. But because the Steelers were so thin there this year, they were expected to go against that trend and get one of the top prospects in the first two rounds.

Instead, the Steelers stayed true to form by drafting Texas corner Curtis Brown in the third round and Cortez Allen from the Citadel in the fourth round. Perhaps these players can make an immediate impact, but it's rare that third- and fourth-round picks become starting corners for a playoff team as rookies.

No. 1 corner Ike Taylor and top reserve William Gay are both free agents, and there's no guarantee either player will return. The Green Bay Packers' passing game torched the Steelers in Super Bowl XLV. Pittsburgh didn't do enough in the draft to ease those concerns.



Wow, that sounds word for word like what someone around here has been clamoring on and on about.... walker? is that you llama? :wave:

finesward
04-30-2011, 10:03 PM
Yeah Jimmy Smith staying out of trouble in Baltimore, MD....yeah when pigs fly

IT'S FRIGGIN' BALTIMORE!!

finesward
04-30-2011, 10:07 PM
hold on Dan..let me see if i'm pickin up what your puttin down...
:scratchchin:
so you're saying... the teams that pick in the top 5 , or top 10 , should have better drafts than the team picking 31 st just because they have a bunch more options to choose from ???
:huh: that's very profound...
obviously there's a flaw in your logic... otherwise those top ten pickers would have better players which would translate to better records, which would translate to lower draft selections....right ? :noidea:

That's where consistency and infrastructure come into play. Those teams that have coaching changes, or move cities, or changes ownership, or piss poor GM's, etc will always remain at the top of the draft board while the better run organizations will always be near the bottom. Teams that draft purely to win now (us drafting a CB early) don't typically fare well in the long run.

bornaSteelersfan
04-30-2011, 10:13 PM
I actually am very optimistic about the picks. For a quick break-down:

1) Cameron Heyward - great value pick. There were no "shut-down" CB's left nor very good OL's at 31st neither. Excellent player and will be a factor in his first season

2) Marcus Gilbert - We got a quality OT ready to play and will only get better. He will probably see some playing time when another OL gets injured.

3) Curtis Brown - by far the best CB available at this point in the draft and as good as any CB we could have gotten in round 2. Carnell Lake likes that he is quick. Will probably see some play on Special Teams and Nickel in first season.

4) Cortez Allen - Excellent value with raw talent that hasn't yet been trained. His history says football hasn't been the top focus as far as time in his life (Due to his college). With Steelers coaching and a good work ethic, he could become THE shut down corner in a few years. He also has much softer hands than Ike.

5) Chris Carter - Very fast LB potential, but will take a few years to develop into a starter. Very much the way Worilds is. May be a big asset on Special Teams. I can see both of these guys as the main OLB starters in the 2014 season and beyond.

6) Keith Williams - Excellent starter potential at guard where our depth is the most needed. Plays angry and can pull (great on rushingdowns). Will probably play some in first season if there are injuries like last season.

7) Baron Batch - RB with excellent 3rd down potential and an asset on Special Teams. May compete for a job in future as we have some depth at this position right now. If nothing else, he will definitely cause our other backs to become more competitive in keeping their jobs.

I agree that it wasn't a stellar draft, but who can expect that at 31st pick? They didn't trade and waste draft picks. The Falcons are going to be sorry at the next draft with hardly any picks.

SH-Rock
04-30-2011, 11:35 PM
i think Williams was a bad pick, but who knows? Williams reminds of Kemo and it's said that Williams has a problems of getting many flags. Sounds like Kemo alright.

thumper
05-01-2011, 12:44 AM
The Browns are showing their genius. They draft a 3-4 nose tackle to play in the 4-3.

:thumbsup:

The Lakelander
05-01-2011, 10:14 AM
Look ... to get 1 or 2 eventual starters out of a draft is about all any team can expect.

Check out the 2009 draft ...Hood, Urbik, Wallace, Lewis, Burnett, Summers, Harris, Shipley, Johnson ...

Only Hood and Wallace have made any semblance of an NFL impact!

But we all felt great about that draft ... especially when many of those players made the 53-man roster.

It seems to me like we will have 2 or 3 of these 2011 draft picks stick for a long time ... Heyward, Gilbert, Brown ... these are solid need picks ...

Williams ... ??? ... we suddenly have a young talented O-Line ... Pouncey, Gilbert, Legursky, Foster, Hills, Chris Scott, and now Williams too! ... this pick is about depth and big bodies! ... all those guys on top of Flozell, Starks, Kemo and Colon. ... team weakness? ... hardly !!!!!!!!!!!

Our CB's are looking solid now ... Taylor, McFadden, Butler, Lewis, Brown, Allen ... we will have depth there now ... assuming Ike Taylor will remain a Steeler. Crez Butler has the look of a solid player and will take a huge leap this season! These kids we just drafted have the requisite tools ... time will tell.

O-line and CB are not our weakest positions right now on this team ... Special Teams kickers (K and P) and Safety are our biggest weaknesses in my opinion ... we are always one Troy Polamalu injury away from mediocrity on defense.

Stlrs4Life
05-01-2011, 10:57 AM
What Atlanta Dan said.

jjpro11
05-01-2011, 12:43 PM
our drafts always seem weak because we always pick late.. the players that fall to us are supposedly weak too since they fell that far. our drafts hardly ever look any good until the drafted guys get playing time.

NBC seems to agree with my thoughts as well on the Steelers drafting. they gave the Steelers a B+

http://drafthq.nbcsports.com/team_picks.aspx

The Steelers usually stay in their draft slot, and somehow find contributors players that fit their style. Cameron Heyward could be a unheralded five-technique starter for years. He’ll continue the team’s tradition of late first-round finds. Marcus Gilbert and cornerback Curtis Brown were solid picks where they were taken and fill needs. The Steelers didn’t reach for secondary picks. Pittsburgh’s drafts tend to look better after a few years, which is the whole idea.

SH-Rock
05-01-2011, 02:07 PM
You draft for the future. That's the Steeler way.

sharkweek
05-01-2011, 02:57 PM
lol what a joke, its all about perspective

Browns - I'm not going to argue our draft was better than theirs. Atlanta was dumb enough to trade 5 picks to move up, that alone is enough to guarantee a good draft year, but what is most telling is looking outside the box - the Browns drafted talent for their reimplementation of the 4-3 defense. The Browns are one of the most unstable organizations in the NFL, good luck getting value out of these players when they inexplicably decide to go back to the 3-4 yet again in a few years

Bengals - I'm not going to argue our draft was sexier / more exciting than the Bengals', heck, they drafted the best WR and arguably one of the best overall players coming into the draft with the #4 overall pick and also stole a good QB with their 2nd pick. But why does this draft make their better than ours? Why do they need a QB and WR so high anyways? Oh that's right, their franchise is in shambles and can't even hold on to their former #1 pick and franchise QB. I guess the lesson here is to win the draft you have to have glaring draft needs to fix a sinking ship rather than reload a tip-top battle cruiser.

Ravens - I'm not sure how this conclusion is met, I suppose its because they drafted a corner with their first round pick and we did not? Sure, it fills a glaring need but its also a much bigger risk. But even if they did have a better draft than we did so what, they are the only other annually legitimate team in our division, no true shame in losing to them.

ETL
05-02-2011, 12:37 AM
We were given an A- and an A+ from the two guys at FoxSports.

It seems the word is out - never criticize a Steelers draft. Its not by dumb luck that a team makes 3 SBs in 6 years and is in the hunt year in and year out.


http://msn.foxsports.com/video?vid=66a84b1f-c622-42d8-bfdd-d81f80f4ae9f&from=gallery_en-us_foxsports__featuredvideo

saint0917
05-02-2011, 08:53 AM
Mel Kiper Grades

Cincinnati Bengals, Needs B, Value A-, Overall A-
Cleveland Browns, Needs B, Value A-, Overall B+
Pittsburgh Steelers, Needs A-, Value B+, Overall B+
Baltimoe Raves, Needs B, Value A-, Overall B+

rangerman
05-02-2011, 09:27 AM
i guess its better to have an "averege"( or even below average) drafts and be a contender each year
than to have a "great" draft and suck ass each year :noidea:

:tt03: yes sir we will be fine my prediction is brown starts for us in the nickel and dime packages and we will see some suprises in who plays and who doesnt. dont worry guys we did great drafted for need not talent and built some depth while addressing the need areas.

SteeleReign
05-02-2011, 12:21 PM
Nutshell, courtesy of John Czarnecki, Fox Sports...

"Hey, it’s utterly amazing that men like Kevin Colbert in Pittsburgh and Ted Thompson in Green Bay can have quality drafts picking low in the rounds. Colbert has been one of the best in the business for years and never gets the superlative national attention like Belichick, Bill Polian and Ozzie Newsome. Granted, neither Colbert nor Thompson seeks the limelight, either. But both of these Super Bowl teams helped themselves for the future."

LVSteelersfan
05-02-2011, 12:44 PM
We still have a couple of CBs who were drafted in the last couple years that have not panned out yet but it doesn't mean they are not capable. Butler is especially intriguing (I think I remember that he is a CB, correct me if I am wrong) They had to bolster the OL and DL positions just as much as they needed a CB. I think they did an excellent job there. Only time will tell if either of the CBs will turn out, but drafting anyone in any round is a crapshoot. I think Colbert and company do a great job. They got talent to supplant either Keisel or Smith and the Oline was a shambles last year lest anyone forget. So the second pick is not that surprising to me.

meelanova
05-03-2011, 01:56 PM
The Steelers draft bad? Dont make me laugh.

stiller39
05-03-2011, 06:51 PM
The Crows got a better grade than the Stillers....Jimmy Smith has red flags flying due to well documented legal issues. The Stillers don't draft problems waiting to happen... especially with a number one pick. Smith, of course, will be mentored by that upright citizen Ray ( the felon) Lewis. This is why the Crows had a better draft than the stillers..... Lets wait and see how that works out for the Crows. Cleveland did a good job due to the Falcons giving away the farm for one playes( We'll see how that works out also.

ricardisimo
05-04-2011, 01:53 AM
I distinctly remember people gushing over the Mendenhall draft immediately afterwards. That turns out to have been (I think) one of our worst drafts in decades. I guess the lesson is that you can pretty much turn everyone's immediate reaction around 180 and get to something like the truth.

Also, for whatever reason people love the Bengals drafts year in and year out, starting with that moron Crisco over at CBS. It's perverse, and probably some kind of sexual fetish. Whatever, it's to be ignored by people of reason.

bornaSteelersfan
05-04-2011, 02:12 AM
I don't care what they think about how well the "Crows", "Bungles", or "Brownstains" drafted. What it comes down to is great coaching and Steelers have them all beat.

ebsteelers
05-04-2011, 09:13 AM
everyones saying that it takes a few years for the dbs to develop in dick's system so, by that estimation, it would be butler, and lewis, and gay step up this year

Steelerfreak58
05-04-2011, 10:45 AM
Come talk about this in two years then you can have a vailid discussion on this draft.