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thumper
05-17-2011, 11:43 AM
...if you missed Hines last night, you missed some quality TV
and Steeler feel good power.

First of all, his partner was in a pretty bad accident. She landed
straight on her head (Like Don Beebe on the Bills in a play
off game vs. Cleveland - if you remember that) and then Hines
entire body weight fell on her as she was on her head. Her arms
went numb. I am sure she was sore as hell.

But she toughed it out and danced any how. And they were awesome.
They got 10s all night long. But even better was the background
interviews they did with Hines, his mom, Bettis, Troy, Tomlin and
Cowher. I have always loved Hines but now I do all the more. He
is special. He might even be my favorite Steeler of all time by the
time he is done. Oh, yes, and he cried after their first dance. He
just cares that much, like after the AFCC loss when he was bummed
for Bus. He is so crazy loyal.

His mom said (in a thick Korean accent) "What you know about dance?
You will fail. Be out in 1 week." Oh, and every week there are more and
more terrible towels in the audience. I bet ABC didn't expect as many TT
as they are seeing.

Great Steeler stuff, at a time when we have nothing else to see on
the Steelers, other than reruns of games on NFL Network (such as
all the Super Bowl seasons, which they aired a few days ago).

finesward
05-17-2011, 11:53 AM
I don't hate DWTS. I just don't care.

I know Hines is a great guy, but I prefer to watch him play football. :noidea:

thumper
05-17-2011, 12:20 PM
I don't hate DWTS. I just don't care.

I know Hines is a great guy, but I prefer to watch him play football. :noidea:

I don't care about DWTS. And I really didn't care that much when
I heard Hines was doing it. But all that said, it has become awesome,
with Steelers in the stands, tons of terrible towels flowing, and Hines
being Hines - crazy hard worker, passionate, nails. Even if I wasn't
a Steeler fan, I would still have to love Hines. If you don't you don't
love football, or, maybe, don't get it.

austinfrench76
05-17-2011, 12:24 PM
Steeler Nation representing Hines!!!!

Atlanta Dan
05-17-2011, 12:32 PM
...

But even better was the background
interviews they did with Hines, his mom, Bettis, Troy, Tomlin and
Cowher.

Did Cowher bring up this 2006 quote from Hines in his DWTS interview:noidea::chuckle:

Winning the Super Bowl and the game's MVP award should have been the crowning achievements of his career, successes that would allow him to forgive and forget any perceived slights by coaches or the organization. And while it would seem that the hard-nosed Ward would be the ideal Bill Cowher guy--tough, physical, intense--the wideout says he's never had a warm relationship with him. "I don't have anything to say to him," he says. "After what he did to me, after how he treated me, no. The numbers I put up? The seasons I had, for them to keep on bringing in guys...?"

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1111192/4/index.htm

finesward
05-17-2011, 01:27 PM
I don't care about DWTS. And I really didn't care that much when
I heard Hines was doing it. But all that said, it has become awesome,
with Steelers in the stands, tons of terrible towels flowing, and Hines
being Hines - crazy hard worker, passionate, nails. Even if I wasn't
a Steeler fan, I would still have to love Hines. If you don't you don't
love football, or, maybe, don't get it.

You obviously do care now, and hey that's great. I know lots of women who love and care very much about that show. I think it's great hines is doing so well on it and it's completely understandable b/c as we all know he is nothing but a winner inside and out. I think it's great exposure for him as he will certainly have a career on TV as an analyst.

But with all that being said, If you don't you don't
love football is about the least intelligent thing I've ever heard. So my distaste for reality TV dance competitions means I don't love football b/c a football player is a contestant? Yeah, ok... :toofunny:

If troy p starts a cooking show on food network and I don't like his rosemary chicken recipe will I still love football? I'm confused. :noidea:

Fire Arians
05-17-2011, 01:34 PM
hines is the man

thumper
05-17-2011, 02:38 PM
Did Cowher bring up this 2006 quote from Hines in his DWTS interview:noidea::chuckle:

Winning the Super Bowl and the game's MVP award should have been the crowning achievements of his career, successes that would allow him to forgive and forget any perceived slights by coaches or the organization. And while it would seem that the hard-nosed Ward would be the ideal Bill Cowher guy--tough, physical, intense--the wideout says he's never had a warm relationship with him. "I don't have anything to say to him," he says. "After what he did to me, after how he treated me, no. The numbers I put up? The seasons I had, for them to keep on bringing in guys...?"

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1111192/4/index.htm

That's funny he said that. I noticed after they won the SB that Hines
and Cowher didn't seem totally warm with each other. It was more
like "We just won a championship; we have to be cool with each other
but we really don't like each other" when they addressed each other
after the game. I really did notice that but hadn't read the above quote
but it seems to fit with what I observed.

I don't blame Hines. I felt Cowher was a phony in his last 4-5 years. I
read that he walked around the front office, and no one was allowed
to speak to him unless he spoke to them first - like he was better
than everyone or something. I am sure that didn't apply to the Rooneys,
but still. What kind of an ass rolls like that?

As far as Hines being mad because they kept bringing in other WRs -
that is unfounded. Even if they were thrilled with Hine's play, you need
more than 1 good WR to win. But I will agree that the drafting of Troy
Edwards was just a horrid decision. Talk about a reach. You remember
those years when we kept trying to get production out of him? Waste of
time.

thumper
05-17-2011, 02:44 PM
But with all that being said, is about the least intelligent thing I've ever heard. So my distaste for reality TV dance competitions means I don't love football b/c a football player is a contestant? Yeah, ok... :toofunny:

If troy p starts a cooking show on food network and I don't like his rosemary chicken recipe will I still love football? I'm confused. :noidea:

Wow. Please look up the definition of a "straw man argument" and
get back to me. Consider it me giving you a little education material
for the day. We should never stop learning, right.

i never asserted that you have to like Hines on DWTS; I only said
that if you don't like HINES WARD, you don't like or understand
football. I don't know if you are on medication, or lacking sleep or
something, but you clearly didn't get the obvious and reacted
to something I never stated, namely that I said you have to like Hines
on DWTS or you don't like football. I never asserted any such thing.
Now go back, read what I actually wrote and start over. If you now understand
what a Straw Man argument is, then I feel satisfied that I helped someone
learn something new. I love helping out. If you have ADD or something, then
I understand how you missed the actual asserted point as opposed to
making up something in your head.

fart
05-17-2011, 03:55 PM
why is he crying? :crying01:

the whole show is too theatrical to begin with...

thumper
05-17-2011, 04:01 PM
why is he crying? :crying01:

the whole show is too theatrical to begin with...

I see you dodged the entire straw man point. What, you don't
want to address that part? Hines cried after we lost to NE
in the AFCC game. Was that too theatrical for you as well?

bornaSteelersfan
05-17-2011, 04:04 PM
Hines was awesome! Chelsea Kane is his biggest competition. I am sure after all of this DWTS, Hines will be in great shape for football season and will probably be even better at running routes.

thumper
05-17-2011, 04:27 PM
Hines was awesome! Chelsea Kane is his biggest competition. I am sure after all of this DWTS, Hines will be in great shape for football season and will probably be even better at running routes.

There is a reason dancers have the bodies they do. The women are
insanely hot. Unreal. This is, by far, more a tough work out than Hines
usually has this time of year. That being said, by the time there is
actually any football - or real team practice - all this dancing working
out will be many months in the past.

But, holy cow, female dancers are hot.
http://www.zacktaylor.ca/.a/6a00e54edfa92d88330128756869e8970c-800wi

finesward
05-17-2011, 05:11 PM
Wow. Please look up the definition of a "straw man argument" and
get back to me. Consider it me giving you a little education material
for the day. We should never stop learning, right.

i never asserted that you have to like Hines on DWTS; I only said
that if you don't like HINES WARD, you don't like or understand
football. I don't know if you are on medication, or lacking sleep or
something, but you clearly didn't get the obvious and reacted
to something I never stated, namely that I said you have to like Hines
on DWTS or you don't like football. I never asserted any such thing.
Now go back, read what I actually wrote and start over. If you now understand
what a Straw Man argument is, then I feel satisfied that I helped someone
learn something new. I love helping out. If you have ADD or something, then
I understand how you missed the actual asserted point as opposed to
making up something in your head.

Oh calm down there College Joe, I took logic 101 just like you did. My sarcastic (look it up) comment about troy P was mainly a jab at your contradiction (i.e straw man) "I don't care about DWTS" "With that said it has become awesome"

And what if I was a baltimore fan (which thank god I'm not) and I despised Hines Ward and didn't like him on DWTS or as a person. Would that mean I don't love football? (btw you read what you wrote, you said love not like :chuckle: )

No I don't think it was my logic that got your panties all twisted, I think it was because you are now having feelings watching people dance that you never thought you would feel. And maybe your getting all kinds of emotions running through your body, maybe surges of estrogen, who knows? :noidea: Point is...I don't care about DWTS, or about what you learned in college. Your argument still holds no water. Not liking hines ward as a person does not equate to how much you "love" football. Claiming those who dislike Hines as "not getting it" is about as presumptuous as it gets. I guess you know everything, and if someone doesn't agree they just don't "get it"

I've met a few of you in my day...and I know this is not going anywhere, soooooo have fun typing up that reply buttercup :hatsoff:

MattsMe
05-17-2011, 05:13 PM
Oh calm down there College Joe, I took logic 101 just like you did. My sarcastic (look it up) comment about troy P was mainly a jab at your contradiction (i.e straw man) "I don't care about DWTS" "With that said it has become awesome"

And what if I was a baltimore fan (which thank god I'm not) and I despised Hines Ward and didn't like him on DWTS or as a person. Would that mean I don't love football? (btw you read what you wrote, you said love not like :chuckle: )

No I don't think it was my logic that got your panties all twisted, I think it was because you are now having feelings watching people dance that you never thought you would feel. And maybe your getting all kinds of emotions running through your body, maybe surges of estrogen, who knows? :noidea: Point is...I don't care about DWTS, or about what you learned in college. Your argument still holds no water. Not liking hines ward as a person does not equate to how much you "love" football. Claiming those who dislike Hines as "not getting it" is about as presumptuous as it gets. I guess you know everything, and if someone doesn't agree they just don't "get it"

I've met a few of you in my day...and I know this is not going anywhere, soooooo have fun typing up that reply buttercup :hatsoff:

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

:hatsoff:

Nailed it.

thumper
05-17-2011, 05:42 PM
Oh calm down there College Joe, I took logic 101 just like you did. My sarcastic (look it up) comment about troy P was mainly a jab at your contradiction (i.e straw man) "I don't care about DWTS" "With that said it has become awesome"

And what if I was a baltimore fan (which thank god I'm not) and I despised Hines Ward and didn't like him on DWTS or as a person. Would that mean I don't love football? (btw you read what you wrote, you said love not like :chuckle: )

No I don't think it was my logic that got your panties all twisted, I think it was because you are now having feelings watching people dance that you never thought you would feel. And maybe your getting all kinds of emotions running through your body, maybe surges of estrogen, who knows? :noidea: Point is...I don't care about DWTS, or about what you learned in college. Your argument still holds no water. Not liking hines ward as a person does not equate to how much you "love" football. Claiming those who dislike Hines as "not getting it" is about as presumptuous as it gets. I guess you know everything, and if someone doesn't agree they just don't "get it"

I've met a few of you in my day...and I know this is not going anywhere, soooooo have fun typing up that reply buttercup :hatsoff:

You obviously do NOT know what a straw man argument is. It has nothing
to do with logic or sarcasm. I figured as much.

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/straw-man.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man



You attacked an assertion that I never made, namely that if you
don't watch Ward on DWTS then you don't know/like football.

Never was asserted. What _was_ asserted was that if you don't like
HINES WARD you must not like or understand football. Even if I were
a Ravens fan, I may hate playing against, but I would still like Ward.
I never said anything about one having to watch him on DWTS, which
you made an error in assuming that was the point, because you didn't
bother to grasp what was actually asserted.

Of course you are going to bail on this thread, because you were proven
to be operating with a straw man argument. You attacked something that
I never asserted in the first place.

Lame.

Low watt.

FAIL.

Don't try to debate a clear thinker; you'll be up way past your bedtime.

Let me guess: You drink chlorinated water or have for most of your life?
On meds?

thumper
05-17-2011, 05:44 PM
:rofl::rofl::rofl:

:hatsoff:

Nailed it.

Yea, salute someone who doesn't even know what a straw man
argument even is, or when he is busted in dealing with one. My guess
is you don't understand the parameters either.

stb_steeler
05-17-2011, 05:45 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=US&feature=related&hl=iw&v=02f809wc8Oc
I think Hines came along way from this....lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02f809wc8Oc

SteelCityMom
05-17-2011, 06:04 PM
I see you dodged the entire straw man point. What, you don't
want to address that part? Hines cried after we lost to NE
in the AFCC game. Was that too theatrical for you as well?

I see you made this reply to the wrong person.

Fart is not the same as Finesward...just so you know.

I don't know if you have ADD and are off your meds, thus making it hard to tell who you are replying to, but next time you should check before going off on a little tirade about someone else making a reading error. Just sayin', ya know. :hatsoff:

Your shit smells as bad as everyone elses, and the high and mighty act doesn't suit anyone well.

MattsMe
05-17-2011, 06:18 PM
I see you made this reply to the wrong person.

Fart is not the same as Finesward...just so you know.

I don't know if you have ADD and are off your meds, thus making it hard to tell who you are replying to, but next time you should check before going off on a little tirade about someone else making a reading error. Just sayin', ya know. :hatsoff:

Your shit smells as bad as everyone elses, and the high and mighty act doesn't suit anyone well.

*sigh*

Let me break this down for you Mom.

Logic dictates that Finesward does fart, therefore Fart must be Finesward.

I'm sure thumper will elaborate more on this as soon as he gets out of class.

thumper
05-17-2011, 07:28 PM
I see you made this reply to the wrong person.

Fart is not the same as Finesward...just so you know.

I don't know if you have ADD and are off your meds, thus making it hard to tell who you are replying to, but next time you should check before going off on a little tirade about someone else making a reading error. Just sayin', ya know. :hatsoff:

Your shit smells as bad as everyone elses, and the high and mighty act doesn't suit anyone well.

Move the goal posts much?

Follow the thread.

And don't be threatened by those who can think.
It's all good. :hug:

finesward
05-17-2011, 07:41 PM
Don't try to debate a clear thinker; you'll be up way past your bedtime.




Right thumper, so contradictions have nothing to do with straw man arguments, straw man arguments have nothing to do with logic, and if you don't like hines ward you don't love or get football.

Thanks for the lesson in clear thinking

btw, lol@ scmom

I would say it was ironic that he berated me for not reading clearly, then in the next breath misquoted someone else thinking it was me...but I don't want another lesson in irony from wikipedia via thumper so I'll just refrain from doing so :wink02:

P.S Lookup socratic irony and maybe you will see how using a straw man argument with someone who believes himself to be a "clear thinker" would be useful

a means by which the pretended ignorance of a skilful questioner leads the person answering to expose his own ignorance


So my distaste for reality TV dance competitions means I don't love football b/c a football player is a contestant? Yeah, ok... :toofunny:

If troy p starts a cooking show on food network and I don't like his rosemary chicken recipe will I still love football? I'm confused. :noidea:

What _was_ asserted was that if you don't like
HINES WARD you must not like or understand football. Even if I were
a Ravens fan, I may hate playing against, but I would still like Ward.




Seriously, your claiming to be a "clear thinker" who believes to love and understand football you have to love hines ward??? lol And stop trying to backtrack and say "like" you said LOVE. Much different connotation using the word love.

Even if I wasn't
a Steeler fan, I would still have to love Hines. If you don't you don't
love football, or, maybe, don't get it.

Want to have some fun?

Try replacing "football" with the word "God", "Hines" with "Jesus", and "Steeler fan" with "Christian"

:rofl:

thumper
05-17-2011, 08:00 PM
Right thumper, so contradictions have nothing to do with straw man arguments,

Correct.

straw man arguments have nothing to do with logic,

Not really. I mean, they are a breach in logic, but not really
known for being all that tied into the notion of logic. A straw
man argument is when you try to know down and assertion
that the other person never made to begin with. It's like if you
assert that "water is wet" and my response is that "Fire is not
cold." I didn't even comment on your assertion. I made up an
assertion that you never made just to knock it down. It is the
tools of the lower watt thinkers. So when I asserted that those
who don't like Hines don't like or understand football, and it
was followed up with the claim that "just because you don't watch
Hines on DWTS doesn't mean you don't like football," a straw
man argument was attempted. I never asserted that anyone
not watching Hines on DWTS didn't get football but yet that
is what was argued. It's really not the complicated.


and if you don't like hines ward you don't love or get football.

Yes, that is my contention.

Thanks for the lesson in clear thinking


P.S Lookup socratic irony and maybe you will see how using a straw man argument with someone who believes himself to be a "clear thinker" would be useful

Your assertion is cloudy and confusing.

Socratic irony is a technique used in the Socratic method of teaching. Irony is employed when someone says something that conveys a message that contradicts the literal words. In the case of Socratic irony, Socrates might pretend to think his students wise or he might denigrate his own intelligence, as by pretending he doesn't know the answer.

According to the article "Socratic irony" in The Oxford Dictionary of Philosophy (Simon Blackburn. Oxford University Press, 2008), Socratic irony is "Socrates's irritating tendency to praise his hearers while undermining them, or to disparage his own superior abilities while manifesting them."

Someone attempting to use Socratic irony might sound like the old television detective Columbo who always disparaged his own talents to make the suspect think he was an idiot. http://ancienthistory.about.com/od/socratesphil/g/080709SocraticIrony.htm

Please specify on your specific assertion here and how it relates
to "Socratic irony." Are you trying to assert that you were looking
dim on purpose? I guess if you are found lacking, that's one way
to go.


So my distaste for reality TV dance competitions means I don't love football b/c a football player is a contestant? Yeah, ok.

Clearly another straw man argument.


If troy p starts a cooking show on food network and I don't like his rosemary chicken recipe will I still love football? I'm confused.

I have no doubt that you are confused, basing it on your cluttered
thinking and "Ready, fire aim" pattern of processing the data.

Seriously, your claiming to be a "clear thinker" who believes to love and understand football you have to love hines ward??? lol And stop trying to backtrack and say "like" you said LOVE. Much different connotation using the word love.

Hmm, well, being that "love" can mean a plethora of different levels of
emotion and carries a wide variety of possible meanings, I don't see
where getting hung up on "like" or "love" is meaningful. When I say I
"love" steaks on the grill, it doesn't mean I want to marry them or
have sex with them. It basically, in that context, means I like them.
Your lack of being able to keep the various possible
definitions straight is a little disturbing.


Want to have some fun?

I always am up for fun.

Try replacing "football" with the word "God", "Hines" with "Jesus", and "Steeler fan" with "Christian"

I thought you said we were going to have some fun? The above
provides no entertainment value.

finesward
05-17-2011, 08:34 PM
Quote:
Right thumper, so contradictions have nothing to do with straw man arguments,
Correct.
Quote:
straw man arguments have nothing to do with logic,
Not really. I mean, they are
The study of fallacies is an especially important branch of informal logic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logic

a breach in logic, but not really
known for being all that tied into the notion of logic. A straw
man argument is when you try to know down and assertion
that the other person never made to begin with. It's like if you
assert that "water is wet" and my response is that "Fire is not
cold." I didn't even comment on your assertion. I made up an
assertion that you never made just to knock it down. It is the
tools of the lower watt thinkers. So when I asserted that those
who don't like Hines don't like or understand football, and it
was followed up with the claim that "just because you don't watch
Hines on DWTS doesn't mean you don't like football," a straw
man argument was attempted. I never asserted that anyone
not watching Hines on DWTS didn't get football but yet that
is what was argued. It's really not the complicated.


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and if you don't like hines ward you don't love or get football.
Yes, that is my contention.
And this is the ignorant statement I was procuring from you. It's presumptuous, arrogant, and downright IGNORANT to make a statement like that.
Thanks for the lesson in clear thinking

Quote:
P.S Lookup socratic irony and maybe you will see how using a straw man argument with someone who believes himself to be a "clear thinker" would be useful
Your assertion is cloudy and confusing.
Your understanding is the only thing cloudy. If I wanted to point out your ignorant statement "To understand and love football you have to love hines ward" I could of done so a number of ways, I chose to toy with you a bit first and it worked perfectly. Someone who thinks very highly of themselves and think they are never wrong are very easy to bait into these discussions. It's much more enjoyable to watch someone like yourself pound his chest in superiority only to expose his own ignorance in the process.

It is used in teaching, as a way to show know-it-all students like yourself that they are ignorant. The teacher will pick a topic that the students believe they are knowledgeable and asks questions to expose the inaccurate beliefs held by the class.

Quote:
Socratic irony is a technique used in the Socratic method of teaching. Irony is employed when someone says something that conveys a message that contradicts the literal words. In the case of Socratic irony, Socrates might pretend to think his students wise or he might denigrate his own intelligence, as by pretending he doesn't know the answer.

According to the article "Socratic irony" in The Oxford Dictionary of Philosophy (Simon Blackburn. Oxford University Press, 2008), Socratic irony is "Socrates's irritating tendency to praise his hearers while undermining them, or to disparage his own superior abilities while manifesting them."

Someone attempting to use Socratic irony might sound like the old television detective Columbo who always disparaged his own talents to make the suspect think he was an idiot.
http://ancienthistory.about.com/od/s...raticIrony.htm

Please specify on your specific assertion here and how it relates
to "Socratic irony." Are you trying to assert that you were looking
dim on purpose? I guess if you are found lacking, that's one way
to go.

Socratic irony: When a person asks questions, pretending not to understand, to lure the interlocutor into a logical trap.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony

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So my distaste for reality TV dance competitions means I don't love football b/c a football player is a contestant? Yeah, ok.
Clearly another straw man argument. That I used to draw you into a logical trap hence the socratic irony

Quote:
If troy p starts a cooking show on food network and I don't like his rosemary chicken recipe will I still love football? I'm confused.
I have no doubt that you are confused, basing it on your cluttered
thinking and "Ready, fire aim" pattern of processing the data.

Confused? Nope. Only giving the illusion of being confused which you bit hook line and sinker.

Quote:
Seriously, your claiming to be a "clear thinker" who believes to love and understand football you have to love hines ward??? lol And stop trying to backtrack and say "like" you said LOVE. Much different connotation using the word love.
Hmm, well, being that "love" can mean a plethora of different levels of
emotion and carries a wide variety of possible meanings, I don't see
where getting hung up on "like" or "love" is meaningful. When I say I
"love" steaks on the grill, it doesn't mean I want to marry them or
have sex with them. It basically, in that context, means I like them.
Your lack of being able to keep the various possible
definitions straight is a little disturbing.

Your misuse of a word is not my concern, whether you meant to say like or not, you said love. Your allowed to say I love steaks on the grill i.e steaks on the grill bring me pleasure; so you are saying if you find hines ward pleasurable you find football pleasurable and understand it and all of those who don't find pleasure in hines ward do not find pleasure in football and do not understand it? Again...mission accomplished in using my straw man to bring out your ignorance HENCE the socratic irony.

A sports fan shows pleasure by cheering for their team right? So by your logic all those people cheering who don't cheer for hines ward are not really fans and don't "get" football. You sir, are an idiot if that's your contention

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Want to have some fun?
I always am up for fun.

Quote:
Try replacing "football" with the word "God", "Hines" with "Jesus", and "Steeler fan" with "Christian"
I thought you said we were going to have some fun? The above
provides no entertainment value.

Really? Cause I sure got a giggle out of it. The same mentality you hold about football is the same belief held by hardcore Christians, extreme Islamists, etc..etc..etc... On second thought I guess you wouldn't find that funny :flap:

SteelCityMom
05-17-2011, 09:07 PM
Move the goal posts much?

Follow the thread.

And don't be threatened by those who can think.
It's all good. :hug:

Trust me, I'm not threatened by you at all. And I wouldn't call what you do thinking either.

I've followed the thread, and all I've seen you do in it is act like a complete jackass (which is something you excel at), and make mountains out of molehills.

I was just poking some fun at you since you like to act like your better than everyone else, that's all. Not my fault you let your own narcissism get in the way of your "thinking". That's your problem, not mine.

Anyhow, since there are already a couple threads on DWTS and you seem hell bent on keeping this one derailed with dumbass bullshit...it's getting closed down. Nobody really cares about this stupid argument anyhow.