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Fire Arians
05-26-2011, 11:18 PM
The offensive line didn't change much from 2 years ago to last year, but since coach Kugler took over the o-line, there was a noticeable improvement with our o-line unit, even despite being ravaged by injuries.

We now have a new db coach, Carnell Lake. Anyone else think maybe the woes in our secondary could be changed with someone like Lake running the show? I know he doesn't have a huge coaching pedigree, but this guy knows how to play both safety and corner with the best of em. Not to mention he knows what steeler football is all about. Thoughts?

steeltown36
05-26-2011, 11:38 PM
I sure hope so. Lake was about the last good corner we have had. Hopefully Lake and some of the new draftees can step up big for us. Im tired of being picked apart in games against spread offense teams like the pats and pack. Sure our offense has the talent to keep up, but our defense wasnt meant to break like that.

harts
05-27-2011, 01:42 AM
I sure hope so. Lake was about the last good corner we have had. Hopefully Lake and some of the new draftees can step up big for us. Im tired of being picked apart in games against spread offense teams like the pats and pack. Sure our offense has the talent to keep up, but our defense wasnt meant to break like that.

Coaches need players
Ballers

What we Need is to take some of this C level talent and make it an A
Good Coaches can make C level players into B level players
Very few if any can take a C and make them an A

Some things you just have to have
#21 Namdi (cant spell his name) of the Raiders would look good in the Black and Gold

Pay up
or Shut up

DanRooney
05-27-2011, 01:49 AM
Did we draft a stud like Pouncey at the cornerback position? I think not. :hatsoff:

stb_steeler
05-27-2011, 09:43 AM
The offensive line didn't change much from 2 years ago to last year, but since coach Kugler took over the o-line, there was a noticeable improvement with our o-line unit, even despite being ravaged by injuries.

We now have a new db coach, Carnell Lake. Anyone else think maybe the woes in our secondary could be changed with someone like Lake running the show? I know he doesn't have a huge coaching pedigree, but this guy knows how to play both safety and corner with the best of em. Not to mention he knows what steeler football is all about. Thoughts?

I think he will do fine....

steeltown36
05-27-2011, 12:38 PM
Ughhhh get over it, Asomga isnt coming to Pittsburgh. How long have you watched the Steelers? Our biggest free agent signing in recent years was Duce Staley! The Steelers develop and take care of their own. Woodley is about to get some $

Curtain_of_Steel
05-27-2011, 02:07 PM
I think the bigger question is:

Can Carnell Lake still play corner, LOL Cause it appears we may be lacking a cornerback on the team that can actually play cornerback.

55BaileyFan
05-27-2011, 07:10 PM
Carnell had a way as a player and I think that it is easy for great players to teach other players to play better. Look at Deltha O'Neil when he was with the Broncos, he was a player and a coach. He joked he wore his helmet half the time and a hat the other half the time. Lake will motivate players and teach them how to be better.

realdeal
05-27-2011, 10:24 PM
Carnell was a safety people!! He only played corner when Rod Woodson went down with a knee injury!! Hello?

thumper
05-28-2011, 11:54 AM
Carnell had a way as a player and I think that it is easy for great players to teach other players to play better.

Patently untrue. Zero evidence that the above is true; as a matter of
fact, evidence points to great players NOT being good coaches. How
was Joe Greene as a player? Awesome. As a coach? Not so good.

finesward
05-28-2011, 12:14 PM
Wasn't Kugler the O-Line coach of Buffalo before he came here?? They consistently sucked ass. I think it may have more to do with drafting a pro bowl center, not to take away credit from Kugler, but the guy isn't the O- Lineman Whisperer or anything.

I think it was worth giving lake a shot. Being a great player doesn't automatically equate to being a great coach, but it helps I suppose. Look at Greene over at GB coaching up clay matthews.

55BaileyFan
05-28-2011, 01:09 PM
Patently untrue. Zero evidence that the above is true; as a matter of
fact, evidence points to great players NOT being good coaches. How
was Joe Greene as a player? Awesome. As a coach? Not so good.

You realize that Greene was a strength coach for us right? For both Super Bowls in the 2000's. I think he has done alright as a coach.

ricardisimo
05-28-2011, 02:04 PM
No. Despite lots of criticism, the truth is we've have some decent players along the line, coached poorly by Zierlein. Right guard is a perpetual question mark (and yet we ran behind RG more often than anywhere else... typical Arians; they'll never expect it!) but every other position is stocked by Pro Bowlers (Pouncey, and even Kemo) or solid workmen (Starks, Adams, Colon) so long as they're not injured.

The same cannot be said of our DBs. Ike is good, but he gets thrown at a LOT, because opposing QBs absolutely do not fear him, and why should they? Whoever plays opposite him tends to make him look better, which is less a statement on Ike than it is on McFadden, Gay, Lewis, etc. The depth behind Troy and Clark is also worrying.

Long story short: Lake has much less with which to work than Kugler.

thumper
05-30-2011, 02:09 PM
You realize that Greene was a strength coach for us right? For both Super Bowls in the 2000's. I think he has done alright as a coach.

I wasn't talking about the coaching he did in Pgh but his entire
coaching career. Not really lighting it up, is he? I think he had
some DL coaching gigs if I'm not mistaken.

austinfrench76
05-30-2011, 05:02 PM
Let's pray!

Vincent
05-30-2011, 06:56 PM
Patently untrue. Zero evidence that the above is true; as a matter of
fact, evidence points to great players NOT being good coaches. How
was Joe Greene as a player? Awesome. As a coach? Not so good.

Yes, Heaven forbid that anybody give that LeBeau fellow a chance to coach. Or Dungy. Or Ditka. Or Landry... 3 of those 4 were DBs.

Lake will have a positive effect on this bunch for several reasons. He was great at both positions. He was a standout LB at UCLA. He knows the roles of the back 7 as well as anybody in the game because he's played most of the positions at a high level. Mentally he's a Steeler.

He's perfect for our system because he will develop the DBs to be hybrids like he was. Just as we draft multidimensional players for the OL, Kugler is developing them to fit at different spots. Lake will develop his to fit a variety of roles depending on the play called. With the 2 new corners, we now have 6 corners at 6 foot or better on the roster. They're all about the same size, speed (except Ike), and skill set. Any of them can line up anywhere on the field. Thats why I like Lake for this job and think we have some upside here. Not so with Horton.

'Sides, I like to argue with Ric.

ricardisimo
05-30-2011, 07:48 PM
Jane, you ignorant ****...

DanRooney
05-30-2011, 10:45 PM
No. Despite lots of criticism, the truth is we've have some decent players along the line, coached poorly by Zierlein. Right guard is a perpetual question mark (and yet we ran behind RG more often than anywhere else... typical Arians; they'll never expect it!) but every other position is stocked by Pro Bowlers (Pouncey, and even Kemo) or solid workmen (Starks, Adams, Colon) so long as they're not injured.

The same cannot be said of our DBs. Ike is good, but he gets thrown at a LOT, because opposing QBs absolutely do not fear him, and why should they? Whoever plays opposite him tends to make him look better, which is less a statement on Ike than it is on McFadden, Gay, Lewis, etc. The depth behind Troy and Clark is also worrying.

Long story short: Lake has much less with which to work than Kugler.

Kemoeatu a pro bowler? lmao.

I really hope Crezdon Butler gets an opportunity to play. I really would like him lining up in the slot or at least dime (I can't believe we saw Anthony Madison on the field during the playoffs) with Curtis Brown opposite Ike.

ricardisimo
05-30-2011, 11:15 PM
It's a bit of an exaggeration, but I think when he's been healthy he's been solid. Colon as well. I'm not sure any of our guys are pass blockers first and foremost, which is part of the Arians genius, tailoring the offense to the line's weakness. But still, I think most of these guys are solid. Starks definitely regressed, I think. Maybe he was hurt before he was hurt. Who knows?

DanRooney
05-30-2011, 11:27 PM
I thought Kemoeatu, the big stubborn buffoon, played like a complete asshole in the playoffs. Not only was he responsible for Ben's pick 6 in the Super Bowl, he also found it cool to lunge his fatass body into Ravens defenders well after the play was over in the divisional round. We could have easily lost that game because of him as well.

Wallace108
05-31-2011, 12:07 AM
I really hope Crezdon Butler gets an opportunity to play.
You and me both. Some of the coaches were impressed with him as a rookie. I remember him looking really good in preseason. But I thought the same thing about William Gay as well his rookie year. :doh:

Fire Arians
06-01-2011, 02:53 AM
You and me both. Some of the coaches were impressed with him as a rookie. I remember him looking really good in preseason. But I thought the same thing about William Gay as well his rookie year. :doh:

true but gay doesn't have 4.4 speed