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thumper
06-10-2011, 02:19 PM
I still can't remove myself from the fact that if Holmes was
on the team and on the field that last drive in the SB, Pgh wins
the game. That last drive looked horrible, with the WRs not knowing
where they were supposed to be - very herky jerky. So Rooneys dump
Holmes for a warm six-pack over some weed. Mean while, they suck
down scotches but somehow puffing some weed is worse.

Yea, it's over. Time to move on, but it still burns me that Holmes was
sent packing over some weed. There hasn't been a single instance
where they proved weed was even bad for you, yet they have found
evidence that it can be beneficial. Not a single death has been
attributed to weed, yet how many ppl die from booze every single year
in accidents alone?

Yea, it's illegal. So is having oral sex in some states. Does that make
it right?

I am glad their paranoia and pointing the dirty end of the stick at
Holmes cost us a SB. Great. :hatsoff:

stb_steeler
06-10-2011, 03:17 PM
How do u know that Holmes would of even had the opportunity for a pass to win the game?.....

thumper
06-10-2011, 03:53 PM
How do u know that Holmes would of even had the opportunity for a pass to win the game?.....

Basing it on history. How many times did Holmes come up big
at the end of the biggest games?

steelerchad
06-10-2011, 04:06 PM
We'll never know. Maybe we don't even get to that game with Holmes. Who knows. Maybe Wallace and or Sanders don't get a chance to show what they can do if Holmes stayed on the team. Holmes didn't exactly torch our "weak" secondary in the AFCC game.
I think there was more to it than just a 1 time weed offense. It's not the Steeler way to air our dirty laundry, so the whole truth may never be known. I think it may have had more to do with Holmes not being a "Steeler" type guy. He seemed like more of a me first guy. As happy as I was when he caught that TD to win the Super Bowl, I still cringe a little when I see him afterwards on the sidelines pounding his chest saying "that's how you be great".
His talent is unquestioned and from a personnel standpoint I would love him to still be on the team. We also let him go for a song, but I think the Steelers knew he was gone at the end of the year anyway.

stb_steeler
06-10-2011, 05:36 PM
Basing it on history. How many times did Holmes come up big
at the end of the biggest games?

Yes he has, but cant count the what ifs....

Wallace108
06-10-2011, 06:00 PM
That last drive looked horrible, with the WRs not knowing
where they were supposed to be

All the WRs, except for ARE knew where they were supposed to be. On the one play, ARE lined up on the wrong side, which confused Wallace. Wallace threw his hands up in the air in confusion. But it was ARE who messed up ... he admitted it after the game.

We like to think that only rookies and inexperienced players mess up .. but veterans can mess up as well. Even if Holmes was still on the team, maybe he fumbles the ball and it's returned for a TD. Maybe we lose by 13 instead of 6. You can't play the game of what ifs.

Hell, maybe we would have won the game if Dan Kreider was still on the team. He could have picked up the block and Mendy wouldn't have fumbled. We can play this game all day long.

ggoldman
06-10-2011, 06:52 PM
Im just trying to imagine what it would have been like if Sanders didnt get knocked out of the game

55BaileyFan
06-10-2011, 10:00 PM
Basing it on history. How many times did Holmes come up big
at the end of the biggest games?

Not that often really...He had a game winner against the Bengals in 2006 and the Super Bowl in 2008. I know the WR didn't understand shit but that doesn't mean anything because we found ways to win with Antonio Brown (vs Ravens) and again to secure the win vs the Jets. Hines made some saving catches and so did Sanders.

To hell with Holmes, it just wasn't our year to win. The End. I know we all hated when people said the Seahawks should have beat us in 2005 so lets not do the same to the Pack. They won, get over it we will move on.

zulater
06-10-2011, 11:02 PM
I know we missed the playoffs with Holmes in 2009. , I also know his 4 drop performance against the Bears cost us one game, and his misread on a hottroute cost us a decisive pick 6 in one Bengal game, and his drop of what should have been an easy touchdown pass right before the end of the half cost us the other Bengal game.

So I'm not sure if we even make it to the SB if old Stonio had hung around Thumper.

55BaileyFan
06-11-2011, 06:43 AM
Im just trying to imagine what it would have been like if Sanders didnt get knocked out of the game

Or what would have happened if our defense could have stopped Rodgers on one of the three third and longs on their final drive to go up 27-21, or if we would have ran more in the early stages of the second half when Mendy was averaging 7 yards per carry. It sucks, but its nothing but what wouldas now.

fer522
06-11-2011, 08:52 AM
what if we would have had a different OC :noidea:

55BaileyFan
06-11-2011, 08:56 AM
what if we would have had a different OC :noidea:

YEP, that would have made a huge difference. I don't know why they haven't booted him yet.

thumper
06-11-2011, 01:47 PM
Not that often really...He had a game winner against the Bengals in 2006 and the Super Bowl in 2008. I know the WR didn't understand shit but that doesn't mean anything because we found ways to win with Antonio Brown (vs Ravens) and again to secure the win vs the Jets. Hines made some saving catches and so did Sanders.

To hell with Holmes, it just wasn't our year to win. The End. I know we all hated when people said the Seahawks should have beat us in 2005 so lets not do the same to the Pack. They won, get over it we will move on.

Here comes that ugly straw man argument once again. When did I ever
say GB didn't deserve to win????????????????/ :noidea:

bubbletownwr88
06-11-2011, 08:34 PM
what if weed wasn't outlawed lol

zulater
06-11-2011, 09:25 PM
what if weed wasn't outlawed lol

Holmes would still be an ex Steeler. It wasn't just his love of weed that sealed his fate.

SteelerEmpire
06-12-2011, 12:35 PM
Yep. There was a whole array of punishments the Rooney's could have brought down on Holmes instead of trading him off. Would have been his 2nd chance to make another spectacular SB comeback and another possible MVP.

thumper
06-12-2011, 12:56 PM
Holmes would still be an ex Steeler. It wasn't just his love of weed that sealed his fate.

I agree he'd still be an X-Steeler - NOW. But in the meantime, could have
added another ring. It's not like you can take the opportunities lightly.
We won one in the 1979 season.....and then waited 25 years before
our next one.

Holmes is not the kind of player that Pgh re-ups for the larger contracts;
I get that. He is aloof, kind of stupid. (Obviously, being that he had already
been busted for weed and he risked millions by keep toking. Why not
wait until retirement after making 10s of millions and THEN toke out?)

Hugely idiotic. Of course, having all those babies with all those different
mothers isn't all that bright either. It's called a "Jimmie" Holmes.

I still would have liked our chances on the last drive with SH on the field.
As if the Rooneys' past is so pure white. Gambling and mob action?

vasteeler
06-12-2011, 06:34 PM
3 turnovers is why we lost the game. it had nothing to do with holmes

thumper
06-12-2011, 07:22 PM
3 turnovers is why we lost the game. it had nothing to do with holmes

We simply don't KNOW, but he did have the knack of being a part
of game winning drives/score in big games. We had the ball with a
chance to make the go-head score. And it didn't happen. It's not like
we were not in position to take the lead with 2 minutes left, because
we were.

harrison'samonster
06-12-2011, 07:42 PM
We can't say that not having Holmes lost us the Superbowl. I seem to remember the whole team playing pretty flat, and it would be hard to convince me that just adding one wr would have made a big difference.

With the attitude he had against the Steelers this past year, I'm glad they got rid of him anyway. I don't hold a grudge against him or anything, I just don't think that the Steelers need players who are such bad losers.

zulater
06-12-2011, 09:19 PM
I agree he'd still be an X-Steeler - NOW. But in the meantime, could have
added another ring. It's not like you can take the opportunities lightly.
We won one in the 1979 season.....and then waited 25 years before
our next one.

Holmes is not the kind of player that Pgh re-ups for the larger contracts;
I get that. He is aloof, kind of stupid. (Obviously, being that he had already
been busted for weed and he risked millions by keep toking. Why not
wait until retirement after making 10s of millions and THEN toke out?)

Hugely idiotic. Of course, having all those babies with all those different
mothers isn't all that bright either. It's called a "Jimmie" Holmes.

I still would have liked our chances on the last drive with SH on the field.
As if the Rooneys' past is so pure white. Gambling and mob action?

So you're using Holmes to attack The Chief now? Holy sheet dude. :doh:

thumper
06-13-2011, 01:55 PM
So you're using Holmes to attack The Chief now? Holy sheet dude. :doh:

What? Do you prefer that we hide from the truth and create an
alternate reality? Or is dealing with the truth the right way to roll?
Do you really think the Rooneys have a lily white past? Is that your
assertion?

zulater
06-13-2011, 06:34 PM
What? Do you prefer that we hide from the truth and create an
alternate reality? Or is dealing with the truth the right way to roll?
Do you really think the Rooneys have a lily white past? Is that your
assertion?

Was Art Rooney ever arrested? Did he ever abuse a woman? Did he ever let down his team by doing extremely selfish acts?

My "assertion" is the answer to all those questions is no.

Art Rooney Sr. came from a different era, he violated the blue laws, he gambled with bookies, other than that he was pretty much by the book.

To equate Holmes moral's with Art Rooney Sr's. is completey ridiculous. :doh:

zulater
06-13-2011, 06:42 PM
By the way do you really know why Holmes was traded? It's because he lied to Tomlin. After his ordeal with the weed in his car during the 2008 season he had a face to face with his coach, in this meeting he looked Tomlin in the eye and assured him that this was the last time that sort of thing would happen. He violated that trust when he tested positive for weed in 2009. Simply put if you look a man in the eye, shake his hand, and tell him you wont, then do, you've forever lost that man's trust. Once you've lost a man's trust he doesn't want to go to war with you anymore.

Tomlin was betrayed by Holmes, thus he was traded, period the end.

Now stop making stupid threads crying about his departure folks! He brought it upon himself.

thumper
06-14-2011, 01:29 PM
Was Art Rooney ever arrested? Did he ever abuse a woman? Did he ever let down his team by doing extremely selfish acts?

My "assertion" is the answer to all those questions is no.

Art Rooney Sr. came from a different era, he violated the blue laws, he gambled with bookies, other than that he was pretty much by the book.

To equate Holmes moral's with Art Rooney Sr's. is completey ridiculous. :doh:

The biggest criminals on the planet are never arrested or charged
for any crimes. That's what makes them "the biggest" because they
are so deep in it, they are safe. Just because a family is safe from
scrutiny because they are so high up in the establishment hardly
proves their angle-like profiles. Next you will tell me the Rockefellers
and Rothchilds haven't executed some of the largest crimes against
all of humanity. After all, they were never arrested for anything. Come
to think of it, the largest mass murderers in the history of mankind
were never charged with a crime either. So, hey, that's all the proof
we need. Stalin was a saint.

It's already been prove the Rooney control all the local press. You won't
find any dirt on them, because no media outlets will report on any even
if it existed. I don't believe they are still acting within the mob, but you
won't read anything about that part of their past in the Post Gazzete any
time soon.

thumper
06-14-2011, 01:31 PM
By the way do you really know why Holmes was traded? It's because he lied to Tomlin. After his ordeal with the weed in his car during the 2008 season he had a face to face with his coach, in this meeting he looked Tomlin in the eye and assured him that this was the last time that sort of thing would happen. He violated that trust when he tested positive for weed in 2009. Simply put if you look a man in the eye, shake his hand, and tell him you wont, then do, you've forever lost that man's trust. Once you've lost a man's trust he doesn't want to go to war with you anymore.

Tomlin was betrayed by Holmes, thus he was traded, period the end.

Now stop making stupid threads crying about his departure folks! He brought it upon himself.

This entire assertion is ridiculous. As if you know what happened in any
meetings between the two. And as if a broken promise has to end up
in trading the player for peanuts. Broken promises happen every day;
they don't have to end the total relationship. If they did, the divorce rate
would explode by 100,000%

zulater
06-14-2011, 05:44 PM
The biggest criminals on the planet are never arrested or charged
for any crimes. That's what makes them "the biggest" because they
are so deep in it, they are safe. Just because a family is safe from
scrutiny because they are so high up in the establishment hardly
proves their angle-like profiles. Next you will tell me the Rockefellers
and Rothchilds haven't executed some of the largest crimes against
all of humanity. After all, they were never arrested for anything. Come
to think of it, the largest mass murderers in the history of mankind
were never charged with a crime either. So, hey, that's all the proof
we need. Stalin was a saint.

It's already been prove the Rooney control all the local press. You won't
find any dirt on them, because no media outlets will report on any even
if it existed. I don't believe they are still acting within the mob, but you
won't read anything about that part of their past in the Post Gazzete any
time soon.

You're a flaming idiot, calling Art Rooney a mobster! :toofunny:

Just for the record, I've probably forgot more about the mob than you'll ever know. I'm quite aware of how Rooney often had to associate with people of questionable repute doing business in the world of boxing and horse racing. In order to get things done I'm sure there were times he had to get his hands slightly muddy.

But the fact is he always managed to stay on the right side of the law, no arrests and no suggestion of wrongdoing by people who could have profited by his downfall.

and more to the point Rooney was known for his loyalty to his faith,, his family, his friends, and his team. He didn't betray any of them ever!

You're man Stonio betrayed ever member of that team more than once.

And oh yeah, we also missed the playoffs 2 out of the 4 seasons your Mr. wonderfull was on the team. so I'm having a hard time believing that he was the difference maker you make him out to be.

zulater
06-14-2011, 06:53 PM
This entire assertion is ridiculous. As if you know what happened in any
meetings between the two. And as if a broken promise has to end up
in trading the player for peanuts. Broken promises happen every day;
they don't have to end the total relationship. If they did, the divorce rate
would explode by 100,000%

Guess what, they got rid of him didn't they. Just because it doesn't make sense to you doesn't mean it didn't make sense to the people in power, because they sure as hell flushed him as quick as they could! :flap:

They got rid of him "100,000%" in fact. :chuckle:

thumper
06-15-2011, 01:51 PM
You're a flaming idiot, calling Art Rooney a mobster!

OK, I believe you have just broken rules for this message board.
There are to be no personal attacks. You just broke this rule. Either
apologize or risk risk a temporary ban. Mods please note.

Just for the record, I've probably forgot more about the mob than you'll ever know.

LMAO. First of all, how would you even know? You know nothing about me.
Secondly, I am not sure that is something to be proud of. That is like saying,
"I know more about the business of dealing crack than you will ever know."

I'm quite aware of how Rooney often had to associate with people of questionable repute doing business in the world of boxing and horse racing. In order to get things done I'm sure there were times he had to get his hands slightly muddy.

"Slightly muddy?" Boy, you aren't very up on the world of the Irish Mob and
gambling are you? It wasn't uncommon for people to be murdered. Any
association with that sure isn't just slightly muddy.

But the fact is he always managed to stay on the right side of the law, no arrests and no suggestion of wrongdoing by people who could have profited by his downfall.

LMAO. No arrests mean lily white? Stalin wasn't arrested either. He was all
good then by your definition.

and more to the point Rooney was known for his loyalty to his faith,, his family, his friends, and his team. He didn't betray any of them ever!

Ever see "Road to Perdition?" After you do get back to me. That movie was
accurate in it's portrayal of Irish mob life.

You're man Stonio betrayed ever member of that team more than once.

Then so did Big Ben; got a problem with him being on the team?

And oh yeah, we also missed the playoffs 2 out of the 4 seasons your Mr. wonderfull was on the team. so I'm having a hard time believing that he was the difference maker you make him out to be.

So the value of a WR is based on if his team makes the play offs or not, and
not on being a Super Bowl MVP? So, using your "logic" Andre Johnson is a shit
WR. So is Brandon Lloyd. So is Larry Fitzgerald. So is Calvin Johnson. So are many other awesome WRs. Do you see how laughable your logic is....well, I guess we can't even label it as "logic" because it is so embarrassingly far away from being any where near logic.

thumper
06-15-2011, 01:53 PM
Guess what, they got rid of him didn't they. Just because it doesn't make sense to you doesn't mean it didn't make sense to the people in power, because they sure as hell flushed him as quick as they could! :flap:

They got rid of him "100,000%" in fact. :chuckle:

I am embarrassed for you. Sad thing is, you have no clue how sad
your attempt at debate is. No idea.

Wallace108
06-15-2011, 03:50 PM
OK, I believe you have just broken rules for this message board.
There are to be no personal attacks. You just broke this rule. Either
apologize or risk risk a temporary ban. Mods please note.
:toofunny:

Thumper, I wouldn't be so quick to call people out for making personal attacks. What do they say about people who live in glass houses? Just saying. :coffee:

davidtrout
06-15-2011, 03:58 PM
:toofunny:

Thumper, I wouldn't be so quick to call people out for making personal attacks. What do they say about people who live in glass houses? Just saying. :coffee:

I've had thumpy on my ignore list for quite a while now. It's made this board much more enjoyable to read.

thumper
06-15-2011, 06:40 PM
:toofunny:

Thumper, I wouldn't be so quick to call people out for making personal attacks. What do they say about people who live in glass houses? Just saying. :coffee:

Are you going to resort to personal attacks too? Careful :dizzy::dizzy:

Wallace108
06-15-2011, 06:55 PM
I've had thumpy on my ignore list for quite a while now. It's made this board much more enjoyable to read.
Thumper is OK. He keeps things interesting, especially during a lockout. :popcorn:

Are you going to resort to personal attacks too? Careful :dizzy::dizzy:
When did I resort to a personal attack? I was just pointing out that you make personal attacks all the time. It was comical to see YOU accuse Zu of making a personal attack. And quite honestly, it isn't me who needs to be careful. :drink:

ConvertedSteelersFan
06-15-2011, 09:45 PM
nothing wrong with the occasional toke

bornaSteelersfan
06-16-2011, 03:34 AM
The problem with Santonio was/is that he seems to think :rulez: don't apply to him. He thinks it is OK to smoke weed :sombrero: , beat up girls :chair: , or throw a drink in a woman's face that cuts her. He couldn't even make it to the Jets without an altercation on an airplane :music: .

There is no "I" in team, but there is an M and an E if you can reverse the ME.

Furthermore, you cannot have a TEAM without T & A...BRING ON THE NAKED CHEERLEADERS!

:cheer: :drool: :tt04:

zulater
06-16-2011, 05:29 AM
I am embarrassed for you. Sad thing is, you have no clue how sad
your attempt at debate is. No idea.

And I'm embarrased that you call yourself a Steeler fan. I mean really , first off you cry like a lttle girl trying to get me banned or suspended. :sofunny:

Then you basically assert, while offering no proof, that the Rooney's are murderers and further compare them to Stalin..... :doh:



If a mod feels the need to ban or suspend me for pointing out how moronic it is for anyone to assert the Steelers as a team have no right to dismiss Holmes on character issues due to their supposed "degenerate" owership, then have at me, because I'm taking back nothing. :hatsoff:

thumper
06-16-2011, 01:45 PM
And I'm embarrased that you call yourself a Steeler fan. I mean really , first off you cry like a lttle girl trying to get me banned or suspended.

Cry? I accurately detailed your breaking of forum rules. If one is going
to bother making rules, I am assuming the said rules would be followed.
If not, why bother to make them?

Then you basically assert, while offering no proof, that the Rooney's are murderers and further compare them to Stalin.....

I asserted no such thing. You claimed that since Rooneys were never
arrested for anything it proved their lily white history while I provided
examples of others who have never been arrested for anything yet were
clearly criminal regardless. Big difference. The fact that you can't discern
the difference is a clear indication of low-level, single-plain thinking.


If a mod feels the need to ban or suspend me for pointing out how moronic it is for anyone to assert the Steelers as a team have no right to dismiss Holmes on character issues due to their supposed "degenerate" owership, then have at me, because I'm taking back nothing.

The mods will probably take pity on you because it is clear that you lack
the ability to perceive things accurately. Your above assertion is yet another
straw man argument, where you try to strike at assertions that were never
made. I never indicated that the Steelers had no "right" to dump Holmes,
ever. (Go back and read the whole thread and you should blush in
embarrassment as you will see that assertion was never made.) I merely
indicated that dumping him over some hippie lettuce may have caused us
another ring. Show me where I said they had "no right" to get rid of him. (If
I wait for you to do so, I will die sitting here of old age, as no such assertion
was ever made.)

Please try to react to assertions that were actually made, as opposed to
assuming what they are and reacting to them in an inaccurate manner. Anyone
can strike down a straw man argument. Offering knee-jerk reactions to things
that were never asserted showcases a faulty thought model. You will find
life is far more forgiving if you perceive things accurately and then react
accordingly. Huffing and puffing, gnashing teeth and howling at the moon
just creates lots of unproductive energy leaks. Take a breath and try to
apply this logical approach where one deals with the truth, not just barks
at trucks going down the road, mindlessly. I think you will find a colossal
upgrade in your quality of life.

thumper
06-16-2011, 01:47 PM
The problem with Santonio was/is that he seems to think :rulez: don't apply to him. He thinks it is OK to smoke weed :sombrero: , beat up girls :chair: , or throw a drink in a woman's face that cuts her. He couldn't even make it to the Jets without an altercation on an airplane :music: .

There is no "I" in team, but there is an M and an E if you can reverse the ME.

Furthermore, you cannot have a TEAM without T & A...BRING ON THE NAKED CHEERLEADERS!

:cheer: :drool: :tt04:

:rofl:

Big
06-17-2011, 12:17 PM
I still can't remove myself from the fact that if Holmes was
on the team and on the field that last drive in the SB, Pgh wins
the game. That last drive looked horrible, with the WRs not knowing
where they were supposed to be - very herky jerky. So Rooneys dump
Holmes for a warm six-pack over some weed. Mean while, they suck
down scotches but somehow puffing some weed is worse.

Yea, it's over. Time to move on, but it still burns me that Holmes was
sent packing over some weed. There hasn't been a single instance
where they proved weed was even bad for you, yet they have found
evidence that it can be beneficial. Not a single death has been
attributed to weed, yet how many ppl die from booze every single year
in accidents alone?

Yea, it's illegal. So is having oral sex in some states. Does that make
it right?

I am glad their paranoia and pointing the dirty end of the stick at
Holmes cost us a SB. Great. :hatsoff:

He didnt get cut for smoking weed. He was cut because he was caught smoking weed for the 2nd time by the police, going to be suspended for 4 games and Ben was already bringing enough negative energy our way. If he didnt get caught, he'd still be a Steeler. It's hard getting caught smoking weed, you almost have to be stupid.

thumper
06-17-2011, 02:45 PM
He didnt get cut for smoking weed. He was cut because he was caught smoking weed for the 2nd time by the police, going to be suspended for 4 games and Ben was already bringing enough negative energy our way. If he didnt get caught, he'd still be a Steeler. It's hard getting caught smoking weed, you almost have to be stupid.

Well, the guy ain't no rocket scientist.

Jimmy Shaker
06-17-2011, 04:50 PM
While I think Holmes is one of those special talents that you shouldn't let get away, I sure don't miss him signaling first down and dropping the ball after every 6 yard catch. I also think Wallace, Manny, and Brown will go a long ways to helping me forget about Holmes.

Riddle_Of_Steel
06-17-2011, 10:39 PM
Thread fail.

* Holmes has acknowledged selling drugs on the street corner of his hometown of Belle Glade, Florida as a teenager; he says that his mother's influence and a desire to play professional football made him decide to stop.[13]

* Holmes was arrested in Miami Beach, Florida on May 27, 2006 for disorderly conduct.[14] Charges were subsequently dropped after Holmes paid a fine. Holmes was arrested for a second time on June 18, 2006 for domestic violence and assault in Columbus, Ohio.[15]

* On July 7, 2006, Holmes appeared in Franklin County Court in Columbus, Ohio for both a pre-trial hearing regarding the domestic case and a hearing regarding the traffic ticket. He pled no contest to the traffic ticket and agreed to pay a fine. While Lashae Boone, the mother of Holmes' daughter and the victim in the assault case, requested that the domestic violence and assault charges be dropped, the prosecutor refused. Boone and their daughter accompanied Holmes to court. The charges were later dropped.[16]

* On October 23, 2008, Holmes was arrested in Pittsburgh and cited by officers for possession of marijuana.[17][18] He released an apology after missing a game, stating that he wished to "focus all of [his] efforts on helping our team win on the field and achieve its ultimate goal."[19]

* On March 24, 2010, Anshonae Mills filed a lawsuit against Holmes over a March 7 incident in which she alleges Holmes threw a glass at her in an Orlando nightclub, resulting in a cut above her eye. Initially, Mills did not pursue charges, claiming Holmes and the police intimidated her into it, but the case has been reopened. Subsequently, after a Twitter comment criticizing the nightclub incident, Holmes told the follower to "kill urself." He later Tweeted it was time to "wake n bake," a reference to marijuana.[20] Holmes alleges his account was hacked and it was not him making the comments.[21]

* On April 29, according to a report filed by authorities at Pittsburgh International Airport, a flight attendant told police that Holmes wouldn't turn off his iPod when requested and asked that officers speak to him. Holmes got off the Colgan Air flight and spoke to the officers, who reminded him to comply with regulations, but did not charge the wide receiver with anything. Holmes later talked to Jets head coach Rex Ryan about the incident.


THAT ^^^^ is why the Rooney's released Holmes. He has a LONG crimnal history, and his behavior leading up to his trade clearly showed that he was not improving or leaving all that behind.

Believe me, THUMPER-- you have a sympathizer to your first assertion that people who swill whiskey and alcohol have no room to be bad-mouthing a little bit of herb, but no respectable organization is going to keep an employee around who has a problem with throwing beer glasses at women in clubs, and toes the line of committing a federal offense onboard a commercial airliner.

Holmes was a yokel off the field and needed to go. Whether you or I agree or disagree with current MJ laws, is irrelevant. The law states its position on that clearly, and if you chose to break the law, you also need to choose to be accountable for the consequences. Life is long, all he had to do was stop smoking the chronic for a few years until he retires, but he couldn't do it.

If I could quit for 7 years to be in the military, he has no excuse, considering he made millions of dollars each year to simply do as he was told and play a child's game.

stb_steeler
06-17-2011, 11:31 PM
Never hurt anyone......

http://i1095.photobucket.com/albums/i475/Alien_Hybrid/Weed/LSD1.jpg

thumper
06-18-2011, 01:04 AM
Thread fail.

* Holmes has acknowledged selling drugs on the street corner of his hometown of Belle Glade, Florida as a teenager; he says that his mother's influence and a desire to play professional football made him decide to stop.[13]

* Holmes was arrested in Miami Beach, Florida on May 27, 2006 for disorderly conduct.[14] Charges were subsequently dropped after Holmes paid a fine. Holmes was arrested for a second time on June 18, 2006 for domestic violence and assault in Columbus, Ohio.[15]

* On July 7, 2006, Holmes appeared in Franklin County Court in Columbus, Ohio for both a pre-trial hearing regarding the domestic case and a hearing regarding the traffic ticket. He pled no contest to the traffic ticket and agreed to pay a fine. While Lashae Boone, the mother of Holmes' daughter and the victim in the assault case, requested that the domestic violence and assault charges be dropped, the prosecutor refused. Boone and their daughter accompanied Holmes to court. The charges were later dropped.[16]

* On October 23, 2008, Holmes was arrested in Pittsburgh and cited by officers for possession of marijuana.[17][18] He released an apology after missing a game, stating that he wished to "focus all of [his] efforts on helping our team win on the field and achieve its ultimate goal."[19]

* On March 24, 2010, Anshonae Mills filed a lawsuit against Holmes over a March 7 incident in which she alleges Holmes threw a glass at her in an Orlando nightclub, resulting in a cut above her eye. Initially, Mills did not pursue charges, claiming Holmes and the police intimidated her into it, but the case has been reopened. Subsequently, after a Twitter comment criticizing the nightclub incident, Holmes told the follower to "kill urself." He later Tweeted it was time to "wake n bake," a reference to marijuana.[20] Holmes alleges his account was hacked and it was not him making the comments.[21]

* On April 29, according to a report filed by authorities at Pittsburgh International Airport, a flight attendant told police that Holmes wouldn't turn off his iPod when requested and asked that officers speak to him. Holmes got off the Colgan Air flight and spoke to the officers, who reminded him to comply with regulations, but did not charge the wide receiver with anything. Holmes later talked to Jets head coach Rex Ryan about the incident.


THAT ^^^^ is why the Rooney's released Holmes. He has a LONG crimnal history, and his behavior leading up to his trade clearly showed that he was not improving or leaving all that behind.

Believe me, THUMPER-- you have a sympathizer to your first assertion that people who swill whiskey and alcohol have no room to be bad-mouthing a little bit of herb, but no respectable organization is going to keep an employee around who has a problem with throwing beer glasses at women in clubs, and toes the line of committing a federal offense onboard a commercial airliner.

Holmes was a yokel off the field and needed to go. Whether you or I agree or disagree with current MJ laws, is irrelevant. The law states its position on that clearly, and if you chose to break the law, you also need to choose to be accountable for the consequences. Life is long, all he had to do was stop smoking the chronic for a few years until he retires, but he couldn't do it.

If I could quit for 7 years to be in the military, he has no excuse, considering he made millions of dollars each year to simply do as he was told and play a child's game.

:thumbsup:

zulater
06-18-2011, 08:04 PM
Cry? I accurately detailed your breaking of forum rules. If one is going
to bother making rules, I am assuming the said rules would be followed.
If not, why bother to make them?


I asserted no such thing. You claimed that since Rooneys were never
arrested for anything it proved their lily white history while I provided
examples of others who have never been arrested for anything yet were
clearly criminal regardless. Big difference. The fact that you can't discern
the difference is a clear indication of low-level, single-plain thinking.



The mods will probably take pity on you because it is clear that you lack
the ability to perceive things accurately. Your above assertion is yet another
straw man argument, where you try to strike at assertions that were never
made. I never indicated that the Steelers had no "right" to dump Holmes,
ever. (Go back and read the whole thread and you should blush in
embarrassment as you will see that assertion was never made.) I merely
indicated that dumping him over some hippie lettuce may have caused us
another ring. Show me where I said they had "no right" to get rid of him. (If
I wait for you to do so, I will die sitting here of old age, as no such assertion
was ever made.)

Please try to react to assertions that were actually made, as opposed to
assuming what they are and reacting to them in an inaccurate manner. Anyone
can strike down a straw man argument. Offering knee-jerk reactions to things
that were never asserted showcases a faulty thought model. You will find
life is far more forgiving if you perceive things accurately and then react
accordingly. Huffing and puffing, gnashing teeth and howling at the moon
just creates lots of unproductive energy leaks. Take a breath and try to
apply this logical approach where one deals with the truth, not just barks
at trucks going down the road, mindlessly. I think you will find a colossal
upgrade in your quality of life.

Blah blah blah,, where to start? :blah: How 'bout nowhere, as I don't really give a rats ass about what you have to say about me.

I will say this though, funny how someone so easily offended goes out of his way to be offensive? Basically you call me six kinds of stupid here, but unlike you I wont cry to the moderaters trying to get you punished. :crying01::hatsoff:


Now as to get the conversation back on track

. The Steelers parted ways with Holmes for a multitude of reasons, his last failed drug test and impending 4 game suspension only being the final straw.

As to the assertion that Holmes would have been the difference maker in SB XLIII. I suppose it's possible. :noidea:, But I doubt it. First off if Holmes is a Steeler last season Antoine Brown most certainly isn't. And without Antoine's kick return in week two against the Titans ( a game Holmes was ineligible for) the entire complexion of last season could easily have changed. Also Antoine made a pretty special play against the Ravens in the divisional playoff game as well. So who knows, maybe we don't even end up in the Super bowl last year? Hell we were 9-7 and sat out the playoffs in 2009 with him, so who's to say? Also the message that was sent by parting company with Holmes could have been a key factor in getting what was an underperforming team in 09 to rebound last season for all any of us know?

Bottom line is hypotheticals like this are pointless. The Steelers know the business of the Steelers better than any one of us, and they determined it was time to move on without Holmes. And the end result of rebuilding the receiver core with up and comers like Emanuel Sanders and Antoine Brown seems to bear out their judgement in spades. The Steelers didn't hurt themsleves last year imo, and they certainly have put themselves in a better position going foward in regards to their receiver core by not having Holmes' impending free agency departure looming over this offseason.

jwmann2
06-21-2011, 05:51 PM
There was no one that would have been able to stand in Green Bay's way last year. They were winning that Super Bowl regardless of who was playing.

Lord of Lombardi
06-22-2011, 06:51 PM
A little weed cost us an intelligent post