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pancake
07-29-2011, 02:28 PM
Not sure to call this the offense or Offensive line thread, but it needed its own thread... lol

Ok, now that I'm through with bad puns, what is our starting line for this season?

Scott
Kemo
Pouncey
Bronco
Colon

That is my first guess, but I could see Foster in for Bronco...

I don't think Gilbert will start this year and is he a RT or LT?

Farrior_roirraW
07-29-2011, 02:38 PM
What offensive line? I don't see one. :chuckle::banging:

thumper
07-29-2011, 02:50 PM
Not sure to call this the offense or Offensive line thread, but it needed its own thread... lol

Ok, now that I'm through with bad puns, what is our starting line for this season?

Scott
Kemo
Pouncey
Bronco
Colon

That is my first guess, but I could see Foster in for Bronco...

I don't think Gilbert will start this year and is he a RT or LT?

Gilbert could end up playing either RT or LT. And he can even play G,
although I am sure they were not thinking OG when they drafted him.
He was more highly touted in 2009, as he was hampered in 2010 with
injuries. Looking at that OL line up, I don't feel too good. Why is it the team
keeps telling us how good Colon is but none of us recall him ever
looking very good? Kind of like with Simmons: They kept telling us
how awesome he was and the rest of us scratched our heads like
"Really? He looks like he sucks to me."

55BaileyFan
07-29-2011, 03:07 PM
I agree, I am starting to really question the Steelers front office on the line. Scott wasn't that great when he played last year, Colon...is TERRIBLE, I have no issues with the G but they are still not...really good and then the only real lineman we have is Pouncey.

pete74
07-29-2011, 03:18 PM
after the super bowl i can see legursky starting at rg. colon is average at rt but can probably be great at rg. scott isnt good enough to be a starter and i really dont feel well about him playing the most important position on our line.

pancake
07-29-2011, 03:26 PM
I guess I could add that Starks could be resigned, but that is like putting frosting on a turd...

DanRooney
07-29-2011, 03:48 PM
Colon isn't terrible. He was our best OLmen in 2009. I'm willing to bet the right side will be stellar when he finally gets to play with Pouncey. Pouncey made everyone on last years line better.

I'm hoping Gilbert pans out in this short offseason. I'd like to see him at LT by week 4 or sooner.

austinfrench76
07-29-2011, 04:14 PM
I completely agree that Colon is not terrible. He is very serviceable. My biggest concern is Scott. How they can say he is a starting LT in this league is beyond me! I love Legs getting a start at RG, Colon at RT and Pouncey at C. The left side is a mess with Kemo and Scott. Now that Flo didn't resign, we actually need Starks. If for no other reason than insurance.

Rick5895
07-29-2011, 04:25 PM
Continuity is the most important consideration on the O Line, something we havent had the last few years with all the injuries. Kugler is a very good coach (judging by last seasons magician act he pulled) and if these guys can stay healthy and together for a whole year we will be saying we have a very good line by seasons end. (which will be with our 7th lombardi)

thumper
07-29-2011, 04:51 PM
We have a long road to travel before we know what our OL ends
up being. Starks and/or Hotel could be brought back. Or maybe
neither will. We just don't know. Look at how late we picked up
Hotel last year. Colon is NOT a good player. He would be a back
up on most teams, especially at RT. I would love to see him
at RG and see how he does. I pray to God Gilbert ends up being
able to play solid LT b/c right now, he is our only chance at having
a decent player there. He certainly has the size. Does he have
the feet?

55BaileyFan
07-29-2011, 04:54 PM
Yeah, Colon is not a good player at all...I don't think he is serviceable. He was prone to getting beat and was a false start and holding machine. He is a guard at best and if he was there some of his big issues would be less noticeable. They might resign Starks who is still better than Colon...but I am banking on Gilbert to be amazing because Scott is not good at all either.

DanRooney
07-29-2011, 05:01 PM
Strongly disagree on Colon. He was one of the better right tackles in the league in 2009. Chicago even offered him 3 million more than what we payed him. Check out what Walter from walterfootball.com has to say about the deal:

"Steelers re-sign OT Willie Colon (5 years, $29 million): A+ Grade
The Steelers show us again why they're one of the smartest and most successful franchises in the NFL. This was a terrific move; Willie Colon is one of the top right tackles in the league, yet Pittsburgh was able to get him for only $29 million over five years. The Steelers had to make this deal in the wake of 400-pound Max Starks' departure."


http://walterfootball.com/freeagents2011OT.php
http://walterfootball.com/freeagents2011recap.php

ETL
07-29-2011, 05:06 PM
Not sure to call this the offense or Offensive line thread, but it needed its own thread... lol

Ok, now that I'm through with bad puns, what is our starting line for this season?

Scott
Kemo
Pouncey
Bronco
Colon

That is my first guess, but I could see Foster in for Bronco...

I don't think Gilbert will start this year and is he a RT or LT?

Excuse my ignorance but who is "Bronco"?

ETL
07-29-2011, 05:09 PM
I like Wille Colon a lot and think he's one of our best OLs. I was really confused during the offseason about cutting him and such - I thought it was because of the cap, but I am glad he is still with us.

I like Starks too but if he is too much of an injury risk - I can totally understand letting him go.

pancake
07-29-2011, 05:18 PM
Excuse my ignorance but who is "Bronco"?

Legursky, last year I heard him referred to as Bronco Legursky. I guess a nickname.

pancake
07-29-2011, 05:19 PM
I like Colon, but I don't think he is a top ORT in the league, I do think he could be a pro bowl guard.

Kingmagyar
07-29-2011, 05:37 PM
One good thing is we all know for the most part Sean Kugler made all those guys better. Here's hoping he does wonders with Colon too. As for the left side I expect Jonathan Scott but who knows by mid-season Gilbert or Chris Scott may be up to speed. A leaner Starks would be welcomed back. But he might sign somewhere else.

I thought if Flozell stayed he could move back to LT. but he just may not have it anymore to play over there.
Colon though is the typical Right Tackle. Big, Strong, Clumsy. Left Tackles are more the agile athletic guys.

One more thing about Colon sticks out thinking back, and it is probably why I wasn't crazy about him, is that he is on the ground way too much. If your on the ground you can't be blocking someone. Flozell was rarely down and you can see the same from Pouncey. That is the first step in being a great O-lineman, to simply stay up on your feet.

stb_steeler
07-29-2011, 05:48 PM
I completely agree that Colon is not terrible. He is very serviceable. My biggest concern is Scott. How they can say he is a starting LT in this league is beyond me! I love Legs getting a start at RG, Colon at RT and Pouncey at C. The left side is a mess with Kemo and Scott. Now that Flo didn't resign, we actually need Starks. If for no other reason than insurance.

He'd be alot better if he can control his penalties....

tanda10506
07-29-2011, 10:40 PM
I don't like what I'm seeing. I haven't felt like we have ever had a good offensive line, I would say mediocre at best. In fact, when we beat the Cardinals in the SB most people said it was the worst offensive line to win a SB. Last year when we lost, I heard a lot of people saying it was the worst offensive line to make it to the SB. Pouncey might end up in the hall of fame one day and I like Legursky, but other then that the O line scares me. I think as Steeler fans we give Colon WAY more credit then he deserves. Is he absolutely horrible? No, but again, he is mediocre. Adams I thought was good but he's gone. Kemo has solid play sometimes, but if he is against somebody good he usually looses. Scott is atrocious. If Gilbert the rookie can make a big enough impact in the preseason maybe he will get some playing time and turn out to be a great player, to early to tell, but I don't know if we can keep going to AFC championship games, going to SB's, and winning SB's with guys who nobody has even heard of other then us Steeler fans. I'm not trying to be negative, but Ben needs a LT, it's too early to tell who it is but if it's somebody that's already signed, I don't like it. Almost every year the Steelers surprise me, and I think the team wins usually in spite of the O line (and Arains), but I'd like to see that change.

davidtrout
07-30-2011, 06:34 AM
Legursky, last year I heard him referred to as Bronco Legursky. I guess a nickname.

Yes, it is a nickname, but not his. It's in reference to this Hall of Famer:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bronko_Nagurski

Just a little history for ya. :tt02:

3rdandlong
07-30-2011, 09:28 AM
I wish we could sure up the middle of the offensive line a little more. Pressure from the outside is not as bad as having it come up the middle. I'd be willing to switch Colon to guard if he can hold his own at that position. I wouldn't be surprised if Scott plays so terrible that they end up plugging Gilbert at his position

BigBen2WardPITT
07-30-2011, 11:16 AM
So we released Starks and Flozell. The Steelers almost never have big free agent signing off seasons... so I don't see us getting any better on the o-line. We'll be even worse, and Ben will get sacked 70 times and have a career ending injury.

Good job Steelers.

Kingmagyar
07-30-2011, 11:35 AM
Tyson Clabo the all pro Right Tackle for the Atlanta Falcons signed for 5 years 25 million. Almost double in guaranteed money then Colon though. Still 800,000 less per year and he is a pro bowl Right Tackle.

Ruffneck525
07-30-2011, 11:46 AM
Strongly disagree on Colon. He was one of the better right tackles in the league in 2009. Chicago even offered him 3 million more than what we payed him. Check out what Walter from walterfootball.com has to say about the deal:

"Steelers re-sign OT Willie Colon (5 years, $29 million): A+ Grade
The Steelers show us again why they're one of the smartest and most successful franchises in the NFL. This was a terrific move; Willie Colon is one of the top right tackles in the league, yet Pittsburgh was able to get him for only $29 million over five years. The Steelers had to make this deal in the wake of 400-pound Max Starks' departure."


http://walterfootball.com/freeagents2011OT.php
http://walterfootball.com/freeagents2011recap.php


I totally disagree with you on Colon actually. He is a terrible offensive tackle. people need to go back and watch previous to last season. he was a holding machine and even when not holding he was too slow footed and too short of arms to play in space and would constant get beat and giv eup sacks or pressures to ben's throwing arm side.

The guy likely could be a servicable guard ( correct build for it) but as a tackle he is what defensive coordinators attack ( the weak link) because they know he does not have the feet or length to handle in space well.

I'm not sure what the front office is thinking in this one.. great Qb but get rid of both his huge tackles that protect him? It'll be another season of ben recieving the snap and running for his life just to get rid of the ball.

Our Rookie tackle must be a beast or something because if not.. this is going to blow up in our face.

PhantomJB93
07-30-2011, 01:17 PM
Ugh, really wish we kept Flozell...I know this would be the last year we could have gotten anything out of him, but even with another year added to his body he would have been 10x better than Scott...I really don't want another year of Jonathan Scott at LT, in fact Id rather try out Gilbert from the get-go and hope he pans out...

Ruffneck525
07-30-2011, 07:38 PM
after digging more deeply While I think Colon is a horrible tackle.. i now see why + money they let Flozell walk.

He could not pass the conditioning evaluation.. whch means he was not in good shape at all.

it was only 7 100- yard sprints he and hampton could not finish them along with dwyer and sweed.

NCBlackWolf
07-30-2011, 07:43 PM
after digging more deeply While I think Colon is a horrible tackle.. i now see why + money they let Flozell walk.

He could not pass the conditioning evaluation.. whch means he was not in good shape at all.

it was only 7 100- yard sprints he and hampton could not finish them along with dwyer and sweed.

I understand Hampton. Big Snack loves his Big Snacks. What is up with Dwyer and Sweed not finishing? Injuries?

tanda10506
07-30-2011, 08:52 PM
So we released Starks and Flozell. The Steelers almost never have big free agent signing off seasons... so I don't see us getting any better on the o-line. We'll be even worse, and Ben will get sacked 70 times and have a career ending injury.

Good job Steelers.

That is a point that doesn't get made very often. We are usually concerned about the way sacks will effect the game, but the FO also needs to be thinking about how it potentially could effect the season, maybe even the decade. If Ben get's hurt the Steelers will NOT win playoff games. If it ends his career, the Steelers are out for a good while, years.

I understand Hampton. Big Snack loves his Big Snacks. What is up with Dwyer and Sweed not finishing? Injuries?

Seriously, Sweed?

Wallabeast17
07-30-2011, 09:03 PM
Aappearntly tomlin excused sweed after the 4th so called lap.like someone else said in another form that may be related to his injury.
Oh and a little of topic but sanders apparently is having discomfort in his injured foot and Curtis brown has an illness and there are a few hamstring issues for a couple other players (can't recall who) so all-in-all not too much bad news from camp

OX1947
07-30-2011, 09:21 PM
I thought Sweed was 110% percent ready and health?

tanda10506
07-30-2011, 09:24 PM
I thought Sweed was 110% percent ready and health?

No big lose though, Sweed can go!!

Wallabeast17
07-30-2011, 09:52 PM
I thought Sweed was 110% percent ready and health?

I hope for his sake he isn't because if he is there is no exuse for him not to finish a conditioning test as a wr! Haha

BigBen2WardPITT
07-31-2011, 12:27 PM
guys lets get back on topic here... I can't believe more steelers fans aren't more worried about the o line this year. I mean, have you guys even thought about who will be starting for us on the o line?

"At this point, Colon, who sat out last year with an Achilles' tendon tear; and Scott, who replaced Starks for the second half of last season at left tackle after he was lost to a neck injury; will be the starting tackles.

Because NFL rules don't permit free agents to practice with their respective teams until Aug. 4, the Steelers opened their first official practice with Kyle Jolly and Chris Scott at left and right tackle, respectively. Colon and Jonathan Scott were unrestricted free agents.

Jolly was on the Steelers' practice squad while Chris Scott was a fifth-round draft pick last year. Neither has seen action in an NFL game, but they will continue to be there, at least until Colon and Jonathan Scott return to practice.

With left guard Chris Kemoeatu on the physically unable to perform list, center Maurkice Pouncey and right guard Ramon Foster were the only regulars on the starting offensive line Friday. Rookie Keith Williams, a sixth-round draft pick, lined up at left guard in place of Kemoeatu.

Throw in that restricted free agents Doug Legursky and Tony Hills also are unable to practice until Aug. 4 after signing their tender sheets and the Steelers had an awfully young offensive line practicing Friday.

In fact, Steelers lined up for their first practice with five rookie linemen and just one player - Foster - who has been in the NFL for more than one season."

:banging:

Wallabeast17
08-02-2011, 05:43 PM
Oh I am right there with you...our line scares the shit out of me! But we won't really know how they are going to play until weekone against the ravens

thumper
08-02-2011, 05:50 PM
I just feel there HAS to be more moves coming. If not, shame, shame, shame
on this organization for being so careless.

Party rockers in the house tonight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQ6zr6kCPj8&ob=av2e

tony hipchest
08-03-2011, 12:24 AM
No big lose though, Sweed can go!!

:shout:- MUST WINE. CAN NO LOSE!!!!

I just feel there HAS to be more moves coming. If not, shame, shame, shame
on this organization for being so careless.

Party rockers in the house tonight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQ6zr6kCPj8&ob=av2e

:rofl:

what the hell are you talking about?

tony hipchest
08-03-2011, 12:30 AM
maybe we can lure alan faneca outta retirement for one last run.

oh wait... the team has done fine w/o him. :hunch:

finesward
08-03-2011, 12:54 AM
I just feel there HAS to be more moves coming. If not, shame, shame, shame
on this organization for being so careless.

Party rockers in the house tonight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQ6zr6kCPj8&ob=av2e

what's troy p doing dancing and rapping in a music vid?? :sofunny:

http://multimedia.heraldinteractive.com/images/20100219/3da89c_ltpromn20100220.jpg

thumper
08-03-2011, 12:54 PM
It turns out they are looking to bring pack Hotel, which I thought they might
be thinking. But, according to same reports, they are NOT looking to bring
back Starks, as he is just POWER overweight, without a solution in sight.

Party rockers in the house tonight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQ6zr6kCPj8&ob=av2e

http://thehypefactor.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/LMFAO-Party_Rock_Anthem-music_video-feat-Lauren_Bennett-and-Goon_Rock-square.jpg

Steelersfan87
08-04-2011, 01:03 AM
There is no reason to believe that this year's offensive line will be worse than last year's, which was good enough to get to the super bowl. Jonathan Scott improved significantly in the last few weeks of the regular season and through the playoffs. Maurkice Pouncey will be even better this year than last year. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Kemoeatu loses his job to either Foster or Legursky, with the other playing RG. And Willie Colon is a more than serviceable RT that is at least as good as a 36 year old Flozell Adams.

cloppbeast
08-04-2011, 12:58 PM
Looking at that OL line up, I don't feel too good. Why is it the team keeps telling us how good Colon is but none of us recall him ever looking very good?

Probably because we watch from our couches, and because we don't know what the **** we're talking about. That's certainly a possibility.

Also, not only the Steelers like Colon, I recall many sports journalists echoeing the same sentiment over the past couple of years, especially last year after we lost him.

BIGNASTY91
08-04-2011, 02:16 PM
Every year its the same ole story! All the fans are worried, and then the o-line turns out just fine! Last year when colon got hurt everybody thought it was the end because he was gonna be out, now hes back and were not gonna be good because we have him? :rofl: Let these guys get together and play and we will be just fine! :tt04:

Ruffneck525
08-05-2011, 01:56 AM
the best thing is if what the media is speculating is correct..

They bring back Big Flozell at RT and move Colon to RG ( He has stated he is not against and doesn't mind playing guard)

I'd even like to see then foster take over (late hit specialist but get whipped at the LOS) Keo at LG or atleast push him.

line would be decent then.

Seems Starks was super overweight and out of shape not Flozell actually it was more about money and starting.

Rick5895
08-05-2011, 06:44 AM
I keep hearing about this kid from Nebraska, Williams, has been very good in camp, that he is nasty and a "mauler". If thats the case he could be a diamond in the rough and a good player for us down the road. I said this in the past, if our O L stays healthy and can play together, that continuity will make us a very good unit. Continuity among the players (starting the same 5 for the majority of the season) tends to overshadow any one players shortcomings.

pancake
08-05-2011, 04:50 PM
This unit and the CB are my biggest concern for this team, but before I will label them better or worse, I want to see them in game action. I do hope to see Flo back...

theplatypus
08-05-2011, 06:10 PM
Probably because we watch from our couches, and because we don't know what the **** we're talking about. That's certainly a possibility.

Also, not only the Steelers like Colon, I recall many sports journalists echoeing the same sentiment over the past couple of years, especially last year after we lost him.

Ladies and gentlemen we have a winner:tt02: