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SoCalFan
08-04-2011, 12:06 PM
I think we will be better due to players being a bit healthier.Im also questioning if other teams in the:afc:have gotten that much better?What is your predicted outcome for the season?Im predicting 12-4 and another trip to a divisional playoff game and after that???In honor of Cowher "lets go,,,,lets go"!!!:tt03:

BIGNASTY91
08-04-2011, 01:10 PM
I think we are gonna be better than we were last year! If all goes well im looking at 13-3, but looking at the schedule it could be better than that! :tap:

thumper
08-04-2011, 02:33 PM
I don't know what you guys are looking at. How many WRs are even
practicing, I mean, ones who will make the roster? Sanders just
had foot surgery. He is starting to look like a guy who can't stay healthy.
Hines is out with the thumb. OL is in shambles. If we played today, what
would our OL look like?

Scott Legs Pouncy Foster Colon

That is probably the worst starting OL in the NFL.

Nothing has been done to improve a secondary that GB showed the WORLD
how to dissect. Nothing.

But you guys think we are BETTER? We had a perfect storm that allowed
us to make the SB last year, mainly Jets beating a NE team that would have
trashed us,easily.

I am still holding out that a few player will be added, because as things stand,
we are looking at non-contending season.

Fire Arians
08-04-2011, 02:45 PM
OL isn't in shambles, actually I think it's better off than it was late in the season last year when we had literally everyone banged up except kemo. pouncey being back is huge, and i think scott really did a good job toward the end of the season.

the jury is still out on sanders, it's the same injury he's had from the super bowl and is expected to be ready to practice in a few weeks. saying he's injury prone at this point is a little unfair don't you think?

the secondary i would agree with you as of now. lewis has had another year to learn the system (taking him long enough though), and butler has a chance to fight for a starting spot. curtis brown has some potential, im hoping we can get one of our rookies or 2nd year man to bump gay from the nickel spot.

steeltheone
08-04-2011, 02:48 PM
I don't know what you guys are looking at. How many WRs are even
practicing, I mean, ones who will make the roster? Sanders just
had foot surgery. He is starting to look like a guy who can't stay healthy.
Hines is out with the thumb. OL is in shambles. If we played today, what
would our OL look like?

Scott Legs Pouncy Foster Colon

That is probably the worst starting OL in the NFL.

Nothing has been done to improve a secondary that GB showed the WORLD
how to dissect. Nothing.

But you guys think we are BETTER? We had a perfect storm that allowed
us to make the SB last year, mainly Jets beating a NE team that would have
trashed us,easily.

I am still holding out that a few player will be added, because as things stand,
we are looking at non-contending season.
Very good post...I believe we can beat anybody on any certain day...But a team with a franchise QB will be a big hill to climb...I believe too that the Jets beating NE was our ticket to the big game...

Steelersfan87
08-04-2011, 02:48 PM
I see thumper is the resident optimist of the forum. The Steelers didn't change much from last year and they were in the super bowl, so why would that lead you to believe that they will be non-contending? It's still too early to really say what has improved or regressed, but it seems that Keenan Lewis has a reasonable shot at being the new nickel back, which should improve the secondary. There is also a lot of potential in Crezdon Butler and Curtis Brown to provide depth. Maurkice Pouncey should be even better this year than last year, and the better a center is, the better a line is as a whole. Jonathan Scott finished off the season relatively strong. I really don't see his second half performance as much of a dropoff from what Max Starks offered. Willie Colon left 09 as probably a top ten right tackle, and he now has not only a nice, new contract, but a chip on his shoulder. There's no reason to believe he won't man the RT position at least on par with Flozell's performance from last year. There are seemingly multiple options at both guard spots. Competition is always good. Who knows? It could be Keith Williams and Doug Legursky by the time the season starts. Kemo's frequent mental lapses would not be missed. Mike Wallace will be entering his second year as a starter. His trajectory is still very much upward. Emmanuel Sanders should be fine and will be more integral to the offense this year than last year. Same with Brown. Anything from Sweed is simply a plus. Ward's thumb injury should not be an issue at all and will probably be back in practice today or tomorrow.

BIGNASTY91
08-04-2011, 02:49 PM
I don't know what you guys are looking at. How many WRs are even
practicing, I mean, ones who will make the roster? Sanders just
had foot surgery. He is starting to look like a guy who can't stay healthy.
Hines is out with the thumb. OL is in shambles. If we played today, what
would our OL look like?

Scott Legs Pouncy Foster Colon

That is probably the worst starting OL in the NFL.

Nothing has been done to improve a secondary that GB showed the WORLD
how to dissect. Nothing.

But you guys think we are BETTER? We had a perfect storm that allowed
us to make the SB last year, mainly Jets beating a NE team that would have
trashed us,easily.

I am still holding out that a few player will be added, because as things stand,
we are looking at non-contending season.

Every year its the same ole thing. Oline sucks, Secondary sucks and so on. Our Oline was riddled with injury last year and we looked pretty da** good to me. Our young CB's in camp are showing some good things! As far as last year went, i was actually wanting the Patriots last year. We coulda had them, just like we are gonna get em this year at home! As for the SB yea we played like sh*t, and still had a chance to beat them! From a casual look inside it doesnt look good, but if you look a lil deeper into things it really dont look all that bad! :tt03:

Fire Arians
08-04-2011, 02:55 PM
Limas Sweed will have 1000 yards receiving this year!

steeltheone
08-04-2011, 03:27 PM
Limas Sweed will have 1000 yards receiving this year!

That my friend would be huge!

SteelCityMom
08-04-2011, 03:36 PM
I think we are in some areas...others not.

I think we'll be better in OL this year...as long as they stay relatively healthy. Ben had one of his best seasons behind that line, so I feel comfortable with it (as long as they stay healthy!).

I wouldn't say we're worse off in CB, but I don't think they did enough to fix the problems. Hopefully they'll fix it in the gameplanning, but I'm not holding my breath.

All other positions (outside of Kicker, since I'm not 100% sure yet who that's going to be) I expect to be about the same.

solardave
08-04-2011, 04:05 PM
I don't know what you guys are looking at. How many WRs are even
practicing, I mean, ones who will make the roster? Sanders just
had foot surgery. He is starting to look like a guy who can't stay healthy.
Hines is out with the thumb. OL is in shambles. If we played today, what
would our OL look like?

Scott Legs Pouncy Foster Colon

That is probably the worst starting OL in the NFL.

Nothing has been done to improve a secondary that GB showed the WORLD
how to dissect. Nothing.

But you guys think we are BETTER? We had a perfect storm that allowed
us to make the SB last year, mainly Jets beating a NE team that would have
trashed us,easily.



I am still holding out that a few player will be added, because as things stand,
we are looking at non-contending season.

Last year a lot of people said we'd be lucky to go 10-6. LUCKY!!! to go 10-6.

I said 12-4. I predicted we'd be 4-0 when Ben got back. I was close and when you look at the Ravens game they got lucky. Am I smart? Not really. Here's my thinking. We have one of the best head coaches in the league and hands down the best defensive coordinator. 3 of the first 4 games are away but after that our schedule gets a lot easier. I say 13-3 and I'm sticking to it!!

thumper
08-04-2011, 04:11 PM
Last year a lot of people said we'd be lucky to go 10-6. LUCKY!!! to go 10-6.

I said 12-4. I predicted we'd be 4-0 when Ben got back. I was close and when you look at the Ravens game they got lucky. Am I smart? Not really. Here's my thinking. We have one of the best head coaches in the league and hands down the best defensive coordinator. 3 of the first 4 games are away but after that our schedule gets a lot easier. I say 13-3 and I'm sticking to it!!

I think I had us at 12-4 last year if memory serves. But this year we
could start out 1-3 if things stay as they are. Our OL, secondary
and WR units are in shambles. No other way to describe it.

thumper
08-04-2011, 04:31 PM
I see thumper is the resident optimist of the forum.

A pessimist is an optimist with experience. :noidea:

The Steelers didn't change much from last year and they were in the super bowl, so why would that lead you to believe that they will be non-contending?

The majority of SB losers come back and suck the next year, even though
they are mostly returning with the same basic team, especially truth
with older teams, which we are.

SB losers in the modern day.

2009 Colts - were a shell of usual team by play offs. Not a legit contender.
2008 Cards - Made play offs, but weren't contenders
2007 Pats - never made SB since.
2006 Bears - losing record next season
2005 Seahawks - stunk next year
2004 Eagles - haven't made it back since
2003 Panthers - Fell into disrepair
2002 Raiders - Toast since
2001 Rams - Put an end to them every contending since.

As you can see, SB losers rarely do well the next year, and many times
plain suck after losing the SB, even though they return with the same basic team.

It's still too early to really say what has improved or regressed, but it seems that Keenan Lewis has a reasonable shot at being the new nickel back, which should improve the secondary.

Did I really just read this? What has Lewis ever done to indicate he will
be a good player some day? He sucks. Why would he all of a sudden be
an asset? It's not like it's only his 2nd year.

There is also a lot of potential in Crezdon Butler and Curtis Brown to provide depth. Maurkice Pouncey should be even better this year than last year, and the better a center is, the better a line is as a whole. Jonathan Scott finished off the season relatively strong. I really don't see his second half performance as much of a dropoff from what Max Starks offered. Willie Colon left 09 as probably a top ten right tackle, and he now has not only a nice, new contract, but a chip on his shoulder. There's no reason to believe he won't man the RT position at least on par with Flozell's performance from last year. There are seemingly multiple options at both guard spots. Competition is always good. Who knows? It could be Keith Williams and Doug Legursky by the time the season starts. Kemo's frequent mental lapses would not be missed. Mike Wallace will be entering his second year as a starter. His trajectory is still very much upward. Emmanuel Sanders should be fine and will be more integral to the offense this year than last year. Same with Brown. Anything from Sweed is simply a plus. Ward's thumb injury should not be an issue at all and will probably be back in practice today or tomorrow.

1 thing that could make Colon, who was never that good to begin with,
is a torn Achilles. Some never make it back from that injury. I am not saying
we are doomed; it's too early. But I am saying there is lots to be worried about.

Farrior_roirraW
08-04-2011, 04:33 PM
WR units are in shambles.

:doh: Riiight.

I cannot believe anyone would believe such a thing.

:banging:

Steelersfan87
08-04-2011, 05:08 PM
The majority of SB losers come back and suck the next year, even though
they are mostly returning with the same basic team, especially truth
with older teams, which we are.

SB losers in the modern day.

2009 Colts - were a shell of usual team by play offs. Not a legit contender.
2008 Cards - Made play offs, but weren't contenders
2007 Pats - never made SB since.
2006 Bears - losing record next season
2005 Seahawks - stunk next year
2004 Eagles - haven't made it back since
2003 Panthers - Fell into disrepair
2002 Raiders - Toast since
2001 Rams - Put an end to them every contending since.

As you can see, SB losers rarely do well the next year, and many times
plain suck after losing the SB, even though they return with the same basic team.

I would say that you put far too much stock in irrelevant trends. The Steelers were no less likely to win the super bowl last year or the year before that entering the season than they are this year.

Did I really just read this? What has Lewis ever done to indicate he will
be a good player some day? He sucks. Why would he all of a sudden be
an asset? It's not like it's only his 2nd year.

Keenan Lewis showed a lot of potential in the preseason last year up until he faltered when given the start against the Broncos, and everything that I have read so far for this camp is that he has done very well so far. Steelers Digest said that he is the only corner so far (with Ike and Gay not able to practice at the time) that can cover Mike Wallace deep. I think there is a reasonable chance that Keenan Lewis becomes a significant contributor in his 3rd season, if not as a nickel back, then as a dime back, which I suspect the Steelers would be more comfortable using this year as opposed to last. They were using Joe Burnett 2 years ago and he's certainly better than Burnett.

1 thing that could make Colon, who was never that good to begin with,
is a torn Achilles. Some never make it back from that injury. I am not saying
we are doomed; it's too early. But I am saying there is lots to be worried about.

There are only a few elites at every position across the league. Willie Colon is not and will never be an elite right tackle. But he is a good right tackle that merits the contract that he got. Rumors have said that Colon had been just about fully healed even before the last season was over. Speed and mobility were never a dominant part of Colon's game, so I don't see his play being significantly affected in 2011 by his injury.

You're right, there is a lot to be worried about, or concerned, but the way that you express your worries is excessive. There is no position on the Steelers that can be described as "in shambles". They have positions that are weaker than others, but it's impossible to have a fully balanced team. The Packers have weaknesses too.

Wallabeast17
08-04-2011, 06:47 PM
I have to say in some ways we are better, although it is way to early to tell. We have depth at wr. Yes we are unsure about some of them and sanders is out a few weeks but that still leaves ward Wallace brown miller(yes I know he's a te) Lyons and the other udfa so I think we will be fine.

Ol, well it's been bad for a while but I say it's no worse then last year!

Ben is still Ben

Dl is old but we have two great youngsters wanting for playing time and ziggy has proven himself

Lb farrior is old and James has had surgery twice but with worlids and sylvestor we are fine

Db a lot of young unproven players, but with the addition of brown and Allen, we aren't worst then last year.... Just my 0.2cents. So all you debby downers out there it's not the end of the world I say 11-5 easily probably 12-4 but who knows we could go 4-12 so who knows rofl:noidea:

Rick5895
08-04-2011, 08:48 PM
:tt04:I'm jacked about the upcoming season. I think we will be very good and our youngsters will turn some heads. Some people on this forum are way too negative, if we ignore the negativity, maybe they will go away. LOL.

OX1947
08-04-2011, 08:55 PM
I'll be honest with you guys, my stomach hurts from the loss. I can not get it out of my mind. I do not know what to think about this season. The only thing I can think of is them winning it all to make up for it.

tanda10506
08-04-2011, 09:17 PM
I think it's to early to tell. First off, even though I always have confidence in the Steelers, I do worry about the post SB blues. Hopefully we won't see any of that. Most of the team is the same. The "talent" spots on the offense are the same. The WR's and starting tight end are the same and have an extra year of experience (Brown, Sanders), so overall that looks good. Mendenhall played real well at the end of last year. Ben is always great. On the other side of the ball, the D line starters are the same and they all perform well, although I'm not sure how Smith will play this year. No problem though cause Hood and Heyward are ready to step up. The LB group is bulletproof as always, I'm not worried about Farrior's age at all, Harrison will still be a beast as will Woodley. Timmons has been playing well and we have young talent behind them. Clark and Polamalu are back. Other then the post SB stuff, my main worries are the CB's and the O line. The O line has been bad for years, but we still win. I don't think we can do that every year. With Colon and Legursky starting this year I expect them to be a bit better, but still not good. I wouldn't say we are better in that area. Last year McFadden was always getting burnt and he's back. Also teams saw how we are seemingly defenseless against quick passes and spread formations. Unless Brown steps up big we will be "mediocre at best" as far as coverage goes. Not necessarily worse then last year, but I don't think we can go to the SB like that again. Ultimately, I think it's to early to tell. Brown at corner and Gilbert on the O line have a lot to do with if we are better or not, even though they are rookies, because of the position they play. Overall, I'm optimistic and think we can win it all still, but it will be tough. My .02

Steelboy84
08-04-2011, 09:50 PM
Still concerned about our secondary. People are gonna expose us if we don't address it. We never do.

DanRooney
08-04-2011, 10:06 PM
I like how for NE you put "never been to the Super Bowl since." Its been 3 years since they've been to the Super bowl. I mean the Colts lost the Super Bowl last year and they haven't been in 1 year either. Must be a trend forming here!

Sixburgher
08-04-2011, 10:50 PM
I like how for NE you put "never been to the Super Bowl since."

If we lose Ben for the year in the first quarter of the season opener against Baltimore the way the Patriots lost Brady in 2008, it's probably a really safe bet we won't sniff the playoffs, never mind the Super Bowl.

steeltheone
08-05-2011, 12:00 AM
I think it's to early to tell. First off, even though I always have confidence in the Steelers, I do worry about the post SB blues. Hopefully we won't see any of that. Most of the team is the same. The "talent" spots on the offense are the same. The WR's and starting tight end are the same and have an extra year of experience (Brown, Sanders), so overall that looks good. Mendenhall played real well at the end of last year. Ben is always great. On the other side of the ball, the D line starters are the same and they all perform well, although I'm not sure how Smith will play this year. No problem though cause Hood and Heyward are ready to step up. The LB group is bulletproof as always, I'm not worried about Farrior's age at all, Harrison will still be a beast as will Woodley. Timmons has been playing well and we have young talent behind them. Clark and Polamalu are back. Other then the post SB stuff, my main worries are the CB's and the O line. The O line has been bad for years, but we still win. I don't think we can do that every year. With Colon and Legursky starting this year I expect them to be a bit better, but still not good. I wouldn't say we are better in that area. Last year McFadden was always getting burnt and he's back. Also teams saw how we are seemingly defenseless against quick passes and spread formations. Unless Brown steps up big we will be "mediocre at best" as far as coverage goes. Not necessarily worse then last year, but I don't think we can go to the SB like that again. Ultimately, I think it's to early to tell. Brown at corner and Gilbert on the O line have a lot to do with if we are better or not, even though they are rookies, because of the position they play. Overall, I'm optimistic and think we can win it all still, but it will be tough. My .02
Not worried about our LB'S? Brady or Rodgers will play Farrior like a puppet and Harrison is 33 coming off back surgery...I hope you are right!

tanda10506
08-05-2011, 01:17 AM
Not worried about our LB'S? Brady or Rodgers will play Farrior like a puppet and Harrison is 33 coming off back surgery...I hope you are right!

I think we are worrying about age to much on this forum lately. Don't misunderstand me, I know it's a factor and important, I just think we are making to big of a deal out of it. As far as Rodgers playing Farrior "like a puppet", I wouldn't give Rodgers that kind of credit. I didn't say Farrior was young and a great coverage guy, but he can read plays and routes well. As for when we play Brady, that's a team problem, and although your probably right, I can't help but think LeBeau has something this time around for the Patriots. We only play them once, and I don't see Farrior being the weak link in our losses against them. I know for football 33 is far from young, but Harrison is in great shape, he's a beast, and he will be this year. We have Worilds and Sylvester also.I know the Pats and Packers picked us apart and that the linebackers could have done more, but with Timmons, Woodley, Harrison, Farrior and some young talent behind them, LB is just not a spot I'm worried about, rarely is it in Pittsburgh. I do see your point, I just disagree, this year at least.

DanRooney
08-05-2011, 02:24 AM
If we lose Ben for the year in the first quarter of the season opener against Baltimore the way the Patriots lost Brady in 2008, it's probably a really safe bet we won't sniff the playoffs, never mind the Super Bowl.

Nah man we got Dennis Dixon :chuckle:

solardave
08-05-2011, 02:52 AM
I think I had us at 12-4 last year if memory serves. But this year we
could start out 1-3 if things stay as they are. Our OL, secondary
and WR units are in shambles. No other way to describe it.

How about flux? The preseason just started . I don't have the luxury of seeing them practice. They might look terrible. I also have seen them stink it up in preseason and come together when the season starts. I see some youth stepping up. Butler in the nickel, Brown as a receiver. Carter on STs. Pouncey will only get better which will filter out into the o-line. It did last year. What about this Greenwood kid. Is he really 6'7"? Can he catch? The best thing for a suspect secondary is a great pass rush. Heyward,Ziggy taking up blockers,big snack plugging up the middle and Harrison + Woodley coming off the edges. What's not to like there? I'm getting fired up just thinking about all this.

3rdandlong
08-05-2011, 07:33 AM
I'm really only worried about our kicker this year. Many games come down to a field goal kick, and I don't think Suisham is as reliable as Reed was in his best years

3rdandlong
08-05-2011, 07:41 AM
Limas Sweed will have 1000 yards receiving this year!

Been hearing that Sweed is dropping balls in practice. If he does the same thing during the preseason, we're going to have to part with him

lnjoelle
08-05-2011, 09:19 AM
We all need to calm down and at least wait for the pre season. Games are never won on paper, let's just trust that the coaches know what they are doing. My only concern is Arians. We have enough fire power on offense that we could field an offense like the Rams' greatest show on turf. But i don't think Arians has the smarts to put it to good use, esp. without being predictable.

Steelersfan87
08-05-2011, 11:21 AM
Been hearing that Sweed is dropping balls in practice. If he does the same thing during the preseason, we're going to have to part with him

Mike Wallace and Antonio Brown were dropping balls too. It does happen.

SoCalFan
08-05-2011, 03:25 PM
Im not worried about the super bowl loss hangover...Most teams would be affected,not a veteran team like the Steelers who are up in the hunt every year,those hangovers are for teams that happen to sneak in once in a blue moon! WOW,not much mention of one of my biggest concerns,BA.....

DanRooney
08-05-2011, 03:30 PM
Losing Randle El didn't hurt us at all. You could argue it made us better actually with more reps being given to our younger/better receivers. Sylvester will take the backup ILB role from Fox which is an upgrade. The loss of Starks will hurt a little unless Gilbert is a quick learner. Our draftees like Cameron Heyward and Brown make us younger on defense, which is something we needed to do. Other than that, we're pretty much status quo. I'd say no better, no worse.

pancake
08-05-2011, 03:33 PM
I don't think the dust has settled yet. I think it could go either way, but I am optimistic that we will be better...

theplatypus
08-05-2011, 05:04 PM
They're just finishing up the 1st week of practice and the sky is already falling? wtf !! Way too early to tell where this team stands, but here are my thoughts anyway.


QB- Hopefully Ben hasn't lost the focus he found last offseason.
WR-should be improved with experience
TE- Lost Spaeth, but signed a decent vet. That UDFA TE could be huge for us.
RB- Mendy and Redman are very good 1-2.
OL- If we can bring back Hotel and move Colon to guard we should be set. Our main problem for years has been the interior line, guard is Colon's natural position and would provide an instant upgrade.
DL- An aging but outstanding D-line.
LB- Harrison and Farrior are aging, but Woodley and Timmons are monsters. Also have Worilds and Sylvester showing promise as 2nd year players.
CB- Ike is top 10, a healthy bmack and Gay are at least avg. Butler has had a year too learn the system after showing promise in limited opportunity. Hopefully Lewis has matured a bit after spending last year in Tomlin's doghouse.
S- Need Troy healthy

DanRooney
08-05-2011, 05:17 PM
TE- Lost Spaeth, but signed a decent vet. That UDFA TE could be huge for us.


I don't know what about John Gilmore makes you think he's decent. His age? His 1 career touchdown? Career journeyman who hopefully doesn't make the team.


RB- Mendy and Redman are very good 1-2.


Mendenhall is a good every down back. Redman should exclusively be used if we have big leads to run the clock or when we're in need of a tough yard or two. We still need a decent #2 back imo. Glad Baron Batch is doing well and might win a job over Moore.


OL- If we can bring back Hotel and move Colon to guard we should be set. Our main problem for years has been the interior line, guard is Colon's natural position and would provide an instant upgrade.


I agree. Colon has alligator arms.


DL- An aging but outstanding D-line.


I don't even consider them old anymore with the addition to Heyward, who was a steal at 31. If we find a NT we're set for the next 10 years.


LB- Harrison and Farrior are aging, but Woodley and Timmons are monsters. Also have Worilds and Sylvester showing promise as 2nd year players.


Harrison and Timmons are monsters. Harrison is a young 31 because he has only started for 4 years. He shows no signs of slowing down. Woodley is decent. Farrior is on his last leg.


CB- Ike is top 10, a healthy bmack and Gay are at least avg. Butler has had a year too learn the system after showing promise in limited opportunity. Hopefully Lewis has matured a bit after spending last year in Tomlin's doghouse.
S- Need Troy healthy


Ike isn't a top 10 corner. Maybe top 30. Mcfadden is below average and Gay is bordering horrible.

Steelersfan87
08-05-2011, 05:44 PM
I don't know what about John Gilmore makes you think he's decent. His age? His 1 career touchdown? Career journeyman who hopefully doesn't make the team.

He's a blocking tight end. And he has a solid reputation of being such. That said, he's not a lock to make the roster.

Mendenhall is a good every down back. Redman should exclusively be used if we have big leads to run the clock or when we're in need of a tough yard or two. We still need a decent #2 back imo. Glad Baron Batch is doing well and might win a job over Moore.

What makes you think that Redman is not the #2 back we're looking for? He's answered the bell just about every time Tomlin has rung it.

I agree. Colon has alligator arms.

Regardless, he hasn't played guard in a long time, if ever. He is set mentally at tackle.

Harrison and Timmons are monsters. Harrison is a young 31 because he has only started for 4 years. He shows no signs of slowing down. Woodley is decent. Farrior is on his last leg.

Harrison is 33 and coming off of two back operations. He's not a young anything. Don't forget that he also played in Europe. Woodley is much better than decent. He's 10 top at his position unquestionably. And Farrior has at least one more season at a high level in him. The Steelers used him very intelligently last year and it resulted in him having a career high in sacks while allowing Timmons to take on the role of the dominant tackler.

Ike isn't a top 10 corner. Maybe top 30. Mcfadden is below average and Gay is bordering horrible.[/QUOTE]

I think that you overestimate the quality of the average cornerback in the NFL. McFadden and Gay are probably right about average in their respective roles. And don't forget that they play within a specific zone blitz system and do not play cover corners. Their primary objective is to keep the ball in front of them and make sure tackles, not to jump every route. The Steelers were second in the league last year in passing yards per attempt and were first in scoring defense, so they can't be all that bad as a unit.

DanRooney
08-05-2011, 11:28 PM
Nobody has ever heard of John Gilmore. Ever. A decent reputation for blocking would be guys like Vickers and McClain. Not John Gilmore.

Do you see any signs of Harrison slowing down with stats 100 tackles, 10.5 sacks, 6 FFs, 2 INTs? I don't think age is an issue with him. If his stats are down or he played scurried like Farrior, then we'd have a big issue. Farrior hasn't played at a high level since 2008.

Top 10+average+average+all-pro+2010 pro bowler sounds like a pretty damn good secondary to me. Especially when you consider our pass rush. Do you think this is true about our secondary? :chuckle:

WickedSteel
08-05-2011, 11:29 PM
Here is my take.

QB-Ben is getting older, slower and more banged up. He has been sacked something like 82 times in his last 27 games. Add to the fact that all of our young receivers are deep threat speed guys and Ben is going to need more time to let those guys get open and deliver a good throw.

RB-Mendy is pretty good considering the OL that he has to work with. He is getting better with the fumbling issue but it reared its ugly head at the worst possible time in the SB. Redman is decent too and deserves a few more touches per game.

WR-We now have a receiving corps made up of young, small, speedsters that are primarily deep threats. Hines can still do his work in the slot but he is fading fast and it will be up to the young guys to step up this year. As I said, Ben needs the time to let these guys get open and deliver a good throw. I believe that Wallace can out run nearly everyone if he has the time to do it. We are going to need a good slot receiver to be affective especially in the red zone. I think Ward still has some in the tank but we need more,

TE-Miller is solid as they come with very good hands but I fear that his effectiveness will go way down this year if the O line is shaky. They will need to keep him in in max protect mode to give Ben time to throw and protect him from being wiped out. They have a decent veteran now too that will perform his job well.

O line-This is one of the two glaring problems with the Steelers. It had been for years now and they never seem to do anything about it. This unit must perform solidly this year if the Steeler offense is to have any chance. They need to be able to run block well to get the running game going and they need to be able to pick up blitzes effectively to protect Ben and give him the time to deliver accurate passes.

DL-Still strong on the line but we have to hope that Hood is ready to be a playmaker. Big snack is still a force and Hoke is good too. Keisel is a monster at times as well.

LB-Harrison is probably going to show a decline in his play from his age and back surgeries. Woodley has been a force and I predict another good year from him. Farrior still has some left but he is fading fast. Need to see how Worlids and Sylvester stack up.

DBs-Here is the other glaring problem with this team as evidenced in the SB. Ike is a good CB but he is not world class and has stone hands. McFadden is not good IMO and he got burned badly last year numerous times. Gay looks pretty good sometimes and then looks horrible other times. No consistency. We'll see how Lewis progresses. Troy can look unstoppable at times but he gets more and more injury prone every year. he also tends to guess wrong a lot lately and overpursues the ball carrier. Clark is good at lighting up people across the middle but Chairman Goodell says no no to that anymore. He isn't a very good cover guy.

All in all, the same problems that the Steelers have had for 5-6 years now are still there. The Rooneys refuse to pick up free agents and instead want to build through the draft thus guys like Ashmouga slip through the cracks. We will see how it progresses this year but I predict that teams will still expose the glaring weaknesses.

DanRooney
08-06-2011, 12:39 AM
Here is my take.

QB-Ben is getting older, slower and more banged up. He has been sacked something like 82 times in his last 27 games. Add to the fact that all of our young receivers are deep threat speed guys and Ben is going to need more time to let those guys get open and deliver a good throw.



While I agree with most of what you said I absolutely disagree here. Emmanuel Sanders and Brown have the ability to get open quicker because they are faster. Every time Hines makes a play, it's usually only after Ben runs around in the pocket. He is way too damn slow to be an every down receiver.

Steelersfan87
08-06-2011, 01:37 AM
Sanders is likely to replace Ward as the slot receiver once Ward is gone. He has the skill set to do it I believe, but he also has the added advantage of his speed, making defenders question if he'll go deep, catching them on their heels for an open seem in the middle of the field. If he stays healthy, I really like him as the future slot guy.

tony hipchest
08-06-2011, 02:19 AM
Here is my take.

QB-Ben is getting older, slower and more banged up. He has been sacked something like 82 times in his last 27 games. Add to the fact that all of our young receivers are deep threat speed guys and Ben is going to need more time to let those guys get open and deliver a good throw.

RB-Mendy is pretty good considering the OL that he has to work with. He is getting better with the fumbling issue but it reared its ugly head at the worst possible time in the SB. Redman is decent too and deserves a few more touches per game.

WR-We now have a receiving corps made up of young, small, speedsters that are primarily deep threats. Hines can still do his work in the slot but he is fading fast and it will be up to the young guys to step up this year. As I said, Ben needs the time to let these guys get open and deliver a good throw. I believe that Wallace can out run nearly everyone if he has the time to do it. We are going to need a good slot receiver to be affective especially in the red zone. I think Ward still has some in the tank but we need more,

TE-Miller is solid as they come with very good hands but I fear that his effectiveness will go way down this year if the O line is shaky. They will need to keep him in in max protect mode to give Ben time to throw and protect him from being wiped out. They have a decent veteran now too that will perform his job well.

O line-This is one of the two glaring problems with the Steelers. It had been for years now and they never seem to do anything about it. This unit must perform solidly this year if the Steeler offense is to have any chance. They need to be able to run block well to get the running game going and they need to be able to pick up blitzes effectively to protect Ben and give him the time to deliver accurate passes.

DL-Still strong on the line but we have to hope that Hood is ready to be a playmaker. Big snack is still a force and Hoke is good too. Keisel is a monster at times as well.

LB-Harrison is probably going to show a decline in his play from his age and back surgeries. Woodley has been a force and I predict another good year from him. Farrior still has some left but he is fading fast. Need to see how Worlids and Sylvester stack up.

DBs-Here is the other glaring problem with this team as evidenced in the SB. Ike is a good CB but he is not world class and has stone hands. McFadden is not good IMO and he got burned badly last year numerous times. Gay looks pretty good sometimes and then looks horrible other times. No consistency. We'll see how Lewis progresses. Troy can look unstoppable at times but he gets more and more injury prone every year. he also tends to guess wrong a lot lately and overpursues the ball carrier. Clark is good at lighting up people across the middle but Chairman Goodell says no no to that anymore. He isn't a very good cover guy.

All in all, the same problems that the Steelers have had for 5-6 years now are still there. The Rooneys refuse to pick up free agents and instead want to build through the draft thus guys like Ashmouga slip through the cracks. We will see how it progresses this year but I predict that teams will still expose the glaring weaknesses.

i could disect this entire post and debunk it all point by point, but why even bother? its full of hyperbole, cliche and ancient misconceptions; nevertheless, it must be addressed.

i'll glady take "all the same problems" in the last 6 years that led to a 15-1 season, 4 AFC ChaMP GAMES, 3 superbowl appearances, and 2 lombardis.

farrior AND ward are fading fast? do you have any stats to back this up? have you seen any games this year? any practices? both are grizzled old vets who have been in the league well beyond 10 years and if anything, we've bearly begun to see them fade if at all.

how is troy any more prone to injury since the day he stepped out of US?. dude is a flying missle who goes balls out 100% of the time. he's been a concussion waiting to happen since he was like 16. thats what makes him great.

if the steelers never do anything about their line, how do you explain coach kugler, pouncey, colon, both scotts, our 2nd round pick this year and urbick a few years back? not to mention flozell? this misconception is about as real as the rooneys are cheap.

how can ben be getting more banged up than the knee/foot injuries and motorcycle accidents he suffered at the beginning of his career? other than suspension, he is actually missing fewer games than he ever has.

how is he "slower"? do you have his 40 time as a rookie vs the 40 time he would run today? he is so atheletic, i would place money on him being faster than 75% of the starting qb's in the league.

all indications from experts who have watched practice this camp are that he looks lean, accurate, and as good as ever. please forgive me if i trust the take of a former nfl head coach, player, and gm's insight and analysis on todays practice, more than yours.

here is my take- we are essentially returning 22 starters from the team that nearly won the superbowl last year (exception being colon over flozell) and looking even better. every defender taking the field in week 1 is deeply entrenched in lebeaus defensive scheme. all the back ups are experienced as well.

we will hit the ground running and be well ahead of the curve.

miller will be free'd up in the passing game. our young receivers should grow and develop by leaps and bounds. mendenhall should be better, along with redman and batch.

i guess our defense will still suck like they always do because they dont pitch a shut out every week, but what are you gonna do? :hunch: i guess we take the good with the bad.

special teams should be rock solid, if not improved.

questioning whether hood is ready to be a "playmaker" doesnt even compute with me.

ben will be hitting the age when manning and brees were sniffing their first superbowl.

our record may be the same, but i contend that we will be better.

then again, i thought we would be better last year than we were in '09. alot of negative nellies and debbie downers on this board thought otherwise.

:hunch:

solardave
08-06-2011, 05:36 AM
i could disect this entire post and debunk it all point by point, but why even bother? its full of hyperbole, cliche and ancient misconceptions; nevertheless, it must be addressed.

i'll glady take "all the same problems" in the last 6 years that led to a 15-1 season, 4 AFC ChaMP GAMES, 3 superbowl appearances, and 2 lombardis.

farrior AND ward are fading fast? do you have any stats to back this up? have you seen any games this year? any practices? both are grizzled old vets who have been in the league well beyond 10 years and if anything, we've bearly begun to see them fade if at all.

how is troy any more prone to injury since the day he stepped out of US?. dude is a flying missle who goes balls out 100% of the time. he's been a concussion waiting to happen since he was like 16. thats what makes him great.

if the steelers never do anything about their line, how do you explain coach kugler, pouncey, colon, both scotts, our 2nd round pick this year and urbick a few years back? not to mention flozell? this misconception is about as real as the rooneys are cheap.

how can ben be getting more banged up than the knee/foot injuries and motorcycle accidents he suffered at the beginning of his career? other than suspension, he is actually missing fewer games than he ever has.

how is he "slower"? do you have his 40 time as a rookie vs the 40 time he would run today? he is so atheletic, i would place money on him being faster than 75% of the starting qb's in the league.

all indications from experts who have watched practice this camp are that he looks lean, accurate, and as good as ever. please forgive me if i trust the take of a former nfl head coach, player, and gm's insight and analysis on todays practice, more than yours.

here is my take- we are essentially returning 22 starters from the team that nearly won the superbowl last year (exception being colon over flozell) and looking even better. every defender taking the field in week 1 is deeply entrenched in lebeaus defensive scheme. all the back ups are experienced as well.

we will hit the ground running and be well ahead of the curve.

miller will be free'd up in the passing game. our young receivers should grow and develop by leaps and bounds. mendenhall should be better, along with redman and batch.

i guess our defense will still suck like they always do because they dont pitch a shut out every week, but what are you gonna do? :hunch: i guess we take the good with the bad.

special teams should be rock solid, if not improved.

questioning whether hood is ready to be a "playmaker" doesnt even compute with me.

ben will be hitting the age when manning and brees were sniffing their first superbowl.

our record may be the same, but i contend that we will be better.

then again, i thought we would be better last year than we were in '09. alot of negative nellies and debbie downers on this board thought otherwise.

:hunch:

I couldn't agree more Tony. I do think this might very well be the last year for Hines and Farrior. All the more reason to leave it all on the field. I don't think for one minute that either one of them can't still play at the level we need and even if their play falls way off we've got young talent in the wings. Sanders, Brown are rising stars IMHO. Stevenson looks like he's hungry and what about Chris Carter? Can he play inside?

WickedSteel
08-06-2011, 11:05 PM
Look, I realize that the Steelers have done remarkably well over the past decade in spite of some glaring weaknesses. Ben's sandlot, run around and throw it up style has certainly covered up the O line problems for the most part. I can say with certainty that Brady or Manning would have been destroyed behind those lines if they had played here. Ben is special, but you don't throw you 100 million dollar QB out there behind a swiss cheese O line and expect him to be able to escape every time. I am willing to bet that Ben has taken some of the most vicious hits in the NFL over the past few years thanks in part to him holding onto the ball too long and having a suspect O line.

We certainly don't know what this season will bring but the Steelers have certainly done little or nothing to fix their weaknesses that resulted in a SB loss. The secondary is still weak and will continued to be exposed IMO. They got picked apart by Brady, Brees and then Rodgers in the SB last year.

IMO the Steelers are weak in the exact two areas that you need to be the strongest at in today's NFL. You need to protect your QB and allow him the time to make plays so that you can score enough points to overcome the opponent. You also need a strong secondary to be able to stop the opposing team's aerial attack. The Steeler's failed miserable at that in the SB and lost because of it. They still might be able to stop teams like the Ravens and Jets who lack the aerial firepower but they will struggle mightily against the Pats, Colts, Saints, Packers, Eagles, etc. The Packers were/are strong in both of those areas and that is why they won last year. Add to the fact that they have a beastly D line and linebackers and they beat up the Steelers in every facet.

Look, I don't read too much into what someone does in PRACTICE. Anybody can stand there under no pressure and deliver a frozen rope to an uncovered receiver. Just like all the people who are giddy about the Crosby and Malkin training vids with them stack handling around inanimate objects and roofing puck after puck, stories from Steelers training camp don't exactly light a fire for me.

I hope that the Steelers can get it done again but I will wait to crown them AFC champs again until I see what they put on the field.

tony hipchest
08-07-2011, 02:04 AM
and i dont read too much into what we do in free agency. the players still gotta put it on tape.

last tape i reviewed was the superbowl.

win or lose, i'll take that every year and thats what the rooneys offer us as fans.

the standard is the standard and thats what i've come to expect.

steeltheone
08-07-2011, 03:49 AM
I'm not sure how we did what we did last year....Mike Tomlin deserved more credit than he got!....I hope i am amazed again!