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08-07-2011, 01:20 PM
Speaking of rioting...at least we're not in London.


More info on the story...http://news.yahoo.com/london-rioters-battle-police-shooting-protest-054921704.html

08-07-2011, 06:30 PM
What the hell? Damn... I focus on my work for a few days and this someone slips past me.

Cheap, but here it is...

08-09-2011, 08:03 AM
Going on day 4 now of rioting in London...and it's only gotten worse. Welcome to the home of the 2012 Olympics everyone. Enjoy your stay!



London Riots: Fires Spread on Third Night of Violence
By William Lee Adams and Nick Assinder / London (http://www.time.com/time/letters/email_letter.html) Tuesday, Aug. 09, 2011

Not since the blitz during World War II have so many fires raged in London so intensely at one time. It started with a riot in the working class, multi-racial borough of Tottenham in North London on Saturday night, sparked by peaceful protests at the police shooting of a man from a notorious local estate. By the early hours of Tuesday morning, Britain's capital was in chaos as gangs of rioters rampaged through high streets across the city, torching businesses and homes, looting stores and attacking lines of police who were struggling — and largely failing — to stop the violence from spreading. Liverpool, Manchester and Birmingham weren't far behind; within three days, the London crisis was a national one.

In a statement released on Tuesday morning, London's Metropolitan Police Service described the violence on the evening of Aug. 8 as the worst in living memory. Six thousand police took to the streets. They made more than 200 arrests overnight, bringing the total to more than 450 since rioting kicked off on Aug. 6. Forty-four police sustained injuries on Monday night; one officer broke several bones after a car drove into him. Fourteen members of the public are also known to have been hurt, including a man in his 60s who sustained "life threatening head injuries." Over the 24-hour period ending at 9.00 a.m. this morning, police had received around 21,000 emergency calls — 400% more than normal. (See photos of the London riots.) (http://www.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,2087234,00.html)

Those calls came from across the capital, as apparently spontaneous eruptions of violence and arson hit areas as far apart as Clapham in the south of the city, Ealing in the west and Hackney in the east. The only common factor seemed to be that each incident involved high streets attractive to gangs of looters. Any notion that the violence would remain a small, localized eruption of anger over an isolated incident, confined to an area with plenty of social problems, poverty and disengagement, was brutally dispelled as the rioters, communicating through BlackBerry messaging and twitter accounts, moved from borough to borough, from inner-city Peckham to suburban Croydon. There, a 26-year old man was found with a gun shot wound and remains in serious condition.

The first escalation started on Monday afternoon in Hackney, a poor, ethnically diverse borough with low home ownership, high welfare dependency and large housing estates — the classic profile for tension, according to previous experience. Hackney's main shopping street became a battleground between police and rioters who smashed into boarded-up shops to escape with whatever they could carry, with clothes and sneakers a particular target. Near the Pembury Estate housing project, four youths beat a photographer who they accused of being with the "feds," while others threw bricks and stones at police. Accounts from witnesses suggest a growing number of women are participating in the violence. (See "London Riots: A Blast from the Past or a Glimpse of the Future?") (http://globalspin.blogs.time.com/2011/08/07/london-riots-a-blast-from-the-past-or-a-glimpse-of-the-future/#ixzz1USSkcYD1)

But, even as politicians and community leaders debated whether the riots were the latest, inevitable result of social exclusion and government spending cuts, news broke later that evening of an eruption in Ealing, a relatively affluent, leafy middle-class area in the west of the city. Then it was Croydon, many miles south of Hackney and not a neighborhood usually seen as a tinderbox. Reports of violence followed from across London — Camden Town, Waltham Abbey, Brixton, Notting Hill — as borough after borough, with little to link them, fell victim to the chaos and arson.

Throughout the evening, local residents voiced concerns over what they perceive as a lackluster response from police. "My neighbor's house is on fire. It's absolutely bedlam on the streets," a frantic onlooker told news crews near a fire in Clapham, a neighborhood increasingly popular with young families. "People have been openly looting this area for the one or two hours since I got here and the police have been ineffectual. They've done nothing." In the absence of a more robust police response, one video shows looters calmly sizing up various stores and deciding what they'd like to steal. In Croydon, a fire at a furniture store grew larger and larger as the nation watched on television. Fire crews were delayed arriving because the police could not guarantee their safety.

Theresa May, the Home Secretary, flew back from her summer holiday in Switzerland yesterday afternoon to deal with the crisis. She ruled out both sending the army onto the streets and deploying water cannons to disperse the crowds, a move advocated by London's former mayor Ken Livingstone. Authorities have used the high-pressure spray to control mobs in Northern Ireland, but they have never utilized them on the mainland. "The way we police in Britain is not through use of water cannon," May told Sky News. "The way we police in Britain is through consent of communities." Fresh in her mind, no doubt, is the lingering criticism of the police force's response to the G20 protests in 2009. Britain's high court ruled in April that Met police broke the law when they surrounded and cordoned off large crowds of protesters — including non-violent ones — for extended periods of time (a police tactic known as "kettling"). A police officer also faces trial this October after Ian Tomlinson, a protestor he allegedly pushed to the ground, collapsed and died shortly afterwards.

As the violence spreads beyond London, and police resources grow even more strained, May will face mounting pressure to call out the cannons. Fellow politicians have already spoken in favor of harsher tactics. "I find it strange that we are willing to use these sort of measures against the Irish, yet when Englishmen step out of line and behave in this atrocious and appalling way, we are happy to mollycoddle them," Patrick Mercer, a Conservative MP and former army officer, told the Daily Telegraph. "If the police want cannons then they should be allowed to use them. I have used water cannons myself and I found them extremely effective." (See videos of the London riots.) (http://newsfeed.time.com/2011/08/08/londons-riots-see-videos-of-the-chaos/?iid=nfmostpopular)

Even without the cannons, though, the police response appears to be toughening. In Clapham, forces deployed armored vehicles known as Jankels in the early hours of Tuesday morning to drive off a crowd of 150 looters who had broken into local shops. And a few hours later, during his first televised comments on the matter, Prime Minister David Cameron had a clear message for the arsonists, looters, and vandals attacking their own country. "You will feel the force of the law," he said. "If you are old enough to commit these crimes, you are old enough to face the punishment."

See more on Britain's student riots. (http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2030831,00.html#ixzz1UST4jHon)
See "Riots and Royals: Protests and Britain's Self-Image." (http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2036777,00.html)

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2087575,00.html#ixzz1UXCFbrWc

08-09-2011, 06:01 PM
London riots spread to Midlands and north-west on fourth night of trouble

Rioting and looting has spread to towns and cities throughout England, 24 hours after police were accused of losing control of the streets of London.

Link to this video (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8692313/Riots-and-looting-spread-to-Manchester.html)

By Martin Beckford (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/journalists/martin-beckford/), Andrew Hough (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/journalists/andrew-hough/) and Mark Hughes (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/journalists/mark-hughes/)
10:00PM BST 09 Aug 2011

Officers were fighting disturbances in Manchester (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8692313/Riots-and-looting-spread-to-Manchester.html) and Birmingham involving hundreds of youths who set fire to shops and smashed store windows.

The fourth night of riots came after David Cameron (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/david-cameron/) returned early from his holiday and called on police to be more robust in their response. The Prime Minister announced that the number of officers on the streets of the capital would rise from 6,000 to 16,000 in a bid to stamp out escalating lawlessness.

The Metropolitan Police also said it would consider firing plastic bullets, never before used on the mainland, against the rampaging gangs, while police leave was cancelled and special constables drafted in.

The Army’s emergency infantry battalion, known as the Spearhead Lead Defence, has been put on standby should the civil unrest worsen, The Daily Telegraph has learned.

London was placed in lockdown after three nights of anarchy with shops being boarded up early in the afternoon and office workers hurrying home before dark as rumours swirled that mobs were forming at locations throughout the city. But as police officers from 30 forces poured into the capital it became increasingly clear that the tactic had left the provinces exposed. By early evening a number of outbreaks of violence were confirmed.

In Birmingham, police clashed with up to 200 looters who attacked shops inside New Street station, closing off much of the city centre. Masked youths roamed the streets smashing windows and setting fire to cars.

In Manchester, hundreds of masked and hooded youths gathered in Piccadilly Gardens and threw bricks at officers. A Miss Selfridge clothes shop was set alight while looters broke into a Foot Locker sports store in the Arndale Centre. Some reports said rioters were being allowed to ransack properties without police intervening. Residents claimed gangs were highly organised, with leaders warning them when to move on to avoid officers.

Nearby in Salford, where the BBC is setting up a vast Media City, there were “pockets” of disorder with reports that buildings, including a youth centre, had been set on fire. A BBC cameraman was assaulted as journalists increasingly came under attack.

In West Bromwich, seven miles north-west of Birmingham, up to 200 hooded youths went on the rampage from late afternoon. Dozens of shops and businesses in the centre were smashed and looters carrying baseball bats and tools fought police. In nearby Wolverhampton, youths broke into shops.

There were also reports of clashes in Canning Town, east London. With no sign of a let-up in the trouble – first sparked on Saturday after a fatal police shooting two days before – senior politicians struggled to convince the public they had a grip on the situation. Boris Johnson, the London mayor, was heckled during a visit to Clapham Junction with some in the crowd calling for his resignation. Nick Clegg, the Deputy Prime Minister, was booed in Birmingham and told to go home.
The Prime Minister will chair a second meeting of the Government’s emergency committee, Cobra, this morning and Parliament will be recalled tomorrow to discuss the developments. George Osborne, the Chancellor, has become the latest Cabinet minister to cut short his overseas break.

The Independent Police Complaints Commission, investigating the fatal police shooting, disclosed that Mark Duggan, the victim, was carrying a real gun when he was killed in Tottenham, north London but had not fired at officers, as first thought.
Insurers and business leaders warned that the costs of the riots would reach “hundreds of millions of pounds” in damage to property, stolen goods and loss of business, putting the fragile economic recovery in further jeopardy.

By last night Scotland Yard said there had been 563 arrests, with 105 people charged with offences ranging from burglary to possessing an offensive weapon.
“Unprecedented” violence against police had left 111 officers injured along with five police dogs. Officers have faced volleys of bricks and bottles. One was injured by a car as he tried to stop looters in Brent, north-west London.

Evidence emerged that the crisis is damaging Britain’s reputation abroad, less than a year before London hosts the 2012 Olympic Games. Several countries, including the United States, updated advice to nationals thinking of visiting.
Many domestic football matches have been called off, including England’s friendly against Holland at Wembley.

Some of the world’s most authoritarian regimes, including those of Iran, Libya and Robert Mugabe’s Zimbabwe, gloated over the “failure” of Britain’s liberal society. If the violence continues, it is likely that police officers will begin using plastic bullets, only previously deployed during the Troubles in Northern Ireland.

Steve Kavanagh, the Met’s Deputy Assistant Commissioner, said: “That is a tactic that will be used if it is deemed necessary. We are not going to throw 180 years of community policing away lightly, but that does not mean that the Met is scared of using any tactics.

“The Met does not want to use baton rounds, but if we get put into the position where it is best for the safety of property and lives in London then we will do so.”
He said that the youth of the rioters was a consideration: “We had people as young as 11 arrested. Do we generally want to see police in London using that type of tactic on 11 year-olds?”

Mr Kavanagh conceded that there were issues with the police operation, but refused to apologise, saying officers did their best amid unprecedented scenes: “Do I claim that [Monday night] was a success? Of course I don’t. But I am not going to turn round to officers who took bricks and bottles and tell them they failed. What I am saying is that the Met got stretched ... by violence and speed of movement which has never been seen before in the UK.”

Mr Kavanagh told of one officer who got off a bus on his way to work to intervene when he saw youths looting a shop. “He got beaten up, but still turned in for duty,” he said.
The Prime Minister, who cut short his holiday in Tuscany to take charge, promised to speed up court procedures and warned rioters: “You will feel the full force of the law.

“And if you are old enough to commit these crimes (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/), you are old enough to face the punishment.”

As the Church of England issued a prayer about the riots, the Most Rev Vincent Nichols, Roman Catholic Archbishop of Westminster, urged Catholics to pray for the victims and for “those who, at this time, are being tempted into the ways of violence and theft”.

He said the “shocking” violence showed “how easily basic principles of respect and honesty are cast aside”.

The Bishop of London, Dr Richard Chartres, suggested that the riots had not been “wholly unexpected”, as he urged churches to continue providing meals and support to those who had lost their homes and businesses in the violence.


08-09-2011, 06:07 PM
The situation over there is getting very scary.

08-09-2011, 10:30 PM
coming soon to a city near you ....
if our elected ass nuggets in DC stay the course , this will be happening here in a few years ... i've already got my looting list ready ..:chuckle:

08-10-2011, 07:17 AM
It took four nights of riots in England for our media to start to pay attention. How long do you think it would have taken if these riots happened in Iran, Saudia Arabia, Iraq, ect?

08-10-2011, 11:00 AM
It took four nights of riots in England for our media to start to pay attention. How long do you think it would have taken if these riots happened in Iran, Saudia Arabia, Iraq, ect?
it certainly wouldn't have taken long for wallstreet to notice , they would have had oil up to $ 150 a barrel at the mention of the word riot.

08-10-2011, 08:36 PM
Hopefully that London will calm down. As the 2012 Summer Olympics is less than a year away from there.

08-14-2011, 01:45 PM
coming soon to a city near you ....
if our elected ass nuggets in DC stay the course , this will be happening here in a few years ... i've already got my looting list ready ..:chuckle:

I wouldnt give it that long.....:coffee: