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3rdandlong
08-08-2011, 10:31 AM
Every Steelers fan knows how BA is a horrible play caller. Whenever Ben was calling the plays last year (I.e. no huddle) our offense improved greatly. I also think there is something ti be said for Ben being better in the no huddle. But when Ben was calling the plays I never saw those plays where you say "what the hell was that call?".

BIGNASTY91
08-08-2011, 12:15 PM
Every Steelers fan knows how BA is a horrible play caller. Whenever Ben was calling the plays last year (I.e. no huddle) our offense improved greatly. I also think there is something ti be said for Ben being better in the no huddle. But when Ben was calling the plays I never saw those plays where you say "what the hell was that call?".

:thumbsup:

Fire Arians
08-08-2011, 12:34 PM
they should just hand him the keys to the offense like peyton manning lol

cloppbeast
08-08-2011, 12:43 PM
Every Steelers fan knows how BA is a horrible play caller. Whenever Ben was calling the plays last year (I.e. no huddle) our offense improved greatly. I also think there is something ti be said for Ben being better in the no huddle. But when Ben was calling the plays I never saw those plays where you say "what the hell was that call?".

A silver bullet?

Sorry, I doubt it.

thumper
08-08-2011, 12:44 PM
Ben should have been calling his own plays by his 2nd year. I see no
reason why they will put their egos in a box now. BA sucks and what's
worse is he has an ego, thinking he is great. Just look at his attitude
about having a FB. He's just an a hole and is a ball and chain to this team.
We win in spite of him, not in any way because of him.

lnjoelle
08-08-2011, 12:51 PM
No doubt!

cloppbeast
08-08-2011, 01:02 PM
Ben should have been calling his own plays by his 2nd year. I see no reason why they will put their egos in a box now. BA sucks and what's worse is he has an ego, thinking he is great. Just look at his attitude about having a FB. He's just an a hole and is a ball and chain to this team.We win in spite of him, not in any way because of him.

You guys seem to think Ben's plays would differ greatly from Arians, but I don't why you think so.

Ben has stood up for Arians time and time again. They're home-boys. They clearly have very similary, if not the exact same, offensive philosophy. I wouldn't expect the play calls to differ much.

The offense benefits from Ben calling the plays by preventing the defense from subbing out. This, and only this, is why, in my opinion, the no-huddle has worked for Ben in the past.

finesward
08-08-2011, 01:44 PM
The first few series of a game is usually the only time the plays are scripted. You come out with an idea of what you want to do and then you adjust accordingly. I think the no huddle works like clopp said. And I may be mistaken, but I believe Ben does have the power to change a playcall on the fly (not sure but i think that little screen to redman vs. the ravens was all ben) Me personally, I enjoy the 8-10 minute drives much more than the 2 minute offense.

There have been plenty of instances where you kinda scratch your head, but most of the time it comes down to execution. Lots of those head scratching moments are b/c a player missed his assignment, or ran the wrong route. I don't think BA is a great coordinator, but I think Ben is a great QB...and if Ben wants BA to be his guy then quite frankly I don't care if he makes a boneheaded playcall every once and a while. So be it.

You want to talk about shitty offensive coordinators, talk to any dolphins fan and they will chew your ear off about how bad they have had it. Having an explosive offense and being able to put up lots of points is great, but balance and moderation in all things. I'm not ready to put our defense in shootout situations more than we need to just yet.

thumper
08-08-2011, 02:23 PM
If you have ever hung around NFL coaches you would know how they totally
exaggerate - mostly to themselves - about how complex coordination is and
how smart you have to be to carry it off. They all think they are like major poker
players and often carry out feints and bluffs when they make plans - in everything
from drafting, to injury reports to game planning. They totally over-emphasize this
element of their job, hence they do not want to hand the keys of play calling to
such simple doofus as Big Ben. (I am not saying Ben couldn't call plays better
than most OC, but that is how they would view it.) They think they are so smart
in such a complex decision-making matrix that only master poker player
(like them) could handle it. It is crap. Ben has a better feel for what plays
will work, just going off the cuff, then guys like BA who think they are calling
plays to set up future plays, which rarely even F-ing works. They don't think a QB
will have the discipline to call plays such as an end around - that is to set up
future plays in the game - like a reverse. While OCs fart around wasting plays
to set up future plays, Ben just comes in there and calls what will work, without
wasting plays on their gad damn poker plays.

A lot of these asst. coaches will never ever come close to tasting head coaching
gigs. I had a actual employed, NFL asst. coach tell me that you can teach running
back instincts.....and he was dead serious. He must have never ever played
back yard football if he believes that. Running the ball is a natural instinct. If
you don't have a feel for the game, you never will. You can only coach up a RB
so much. But running with the rock is done by a certain feel. You can tell that
some backs seemingly have eyes all around their head, when they obviously
don't. You never teach that.

pancake
08-08-2011, 02:31 PM
I think we should run the no huddle a couple of series a half, unless we have a lead. It seems to get the offense in a rhythm.

stb_steeler
08-08-2011, 03:13 PM
Every Steelers fan knows how BA is a horrible play caller. Whenever Ben was calling the plays last year (I.e. no huddle) our offense improved greatly. I also think there is something ti be said for Ben being better in the no huddle. But when Ben was calling the plays I never saw those plays where you say "what the hell was that call?".

I see a BA bashing thread coming on! :doh:
But i agree with you, Ben should be calling the plays. The no huddle does work!

Steelboy84
08-08-2011, 03:29 PM
The last time Ben did, he threw for 32 TDs (2007).

Ben also has a 100 QB rating OUTSIDE of the pocket.

Arians, are you listening? Think you could design about 40% of Ben's pass plays OUTSIDE of the pocket and play to his strengths?

:noidea:

Third Rail
08-09-2011, 12:27 PM
The last time Ben did, he threw for 32 TDs (2007).
Ben also has a 100 QB rating OUTSIDE of the pocket.

Arians, are you listening? Think you could design about 40% of Ben's pass plays OUTSIDE of the pocket and play to his strengths?

:noidea:

Did he call all the plays that season?

And if so, why the hell haven't we gone back to that? :banging:

thumper
08-09-2011, 12:41 PM
The last time Ben did, he threw for 32 TDs (2007).

Ben also has a 100 QB rating OUTSIDE of the pocket.

Arians, are you listening? Think you could design about 40% of Ben's pass plays OUTSIDE of the pocket and play to his strengths?

:noidea:

BA won't just do what makes the most sense, b.c he needs to
prove how super smart he is with his total BULL SHIT plays
trying to set up future plays, where neither the set up play
more the follow up play will work. Wasted downs. Pathetic.
Remember when Jim Kelly always called his own plays? How
did that offense do again?

Sixburgher
08-09-2011, 12:49 PM
Remember when Jim Kelly always called his own plays? How did that offense do again?

0-4 in Super Bowls representing what was at the time a very weak AFC, while playing progressively worse in each loss.

thumper
08-09-2011, 01:16 PM
0-4 in Super Bowls representing what was at the time a very weak AFC, while playing progressively worse in each loss.

Another logic button just got busted. So, b/c he lost in SB it invalidates,
completely, the quality production that that offense sustained for 1/2
a decade? So, using your logic, our D stunk last year b/c we lost
the SB, so it must have sucked.

I wonder how some of you even make it through your days. The Bills'
offense was potent enough to get them to 4 straight SBs, something
that will never happen again. Oh, and by the way, their O was exceedingly
simple, yet still prolific. Kelly said if the safety came up, he'd audible to
a pass. If they hung back, he run Thurman left or right. They had a total
of 4 running plays: Up the middle, left and right, and toss left and right.
That was it.

Sixburgher
08-09-2011, 01:28 PM
Another logic button just got busted. So, b/c he lost in SB it invalidates,
completely, the quality production that that offense sustained for 1/2
a decade? So, using your logic, our D stunk last year b/c we lost
the SB, so it must have sucked.

I wonder how some of you even make it through your days. The Bills'
offense was potent enough to get them to 4 straight SBs, something
that will never happen again.

As opposed to the same half assed retarded "logic" that suggests the Rooneys are cheap? I thought losing Super Bowls was "unacceptable" to you?

Piss off, troll.

blackandgoldsc
08-09-2011, 02:12 PM
I would like to see Ben run the no huddle much more as well and agree with everyone here that the team does great when we run the no huddle.

I would say though that running the no huddle sometimes has everything to do with trapping the opponent in a package that isn't the best, preventing them from substituting. If we get into that position we can exploit it but running a no huddle to just run a no huddle won't always be great, we have to have the right scenario.

thumper
08-09-2011, 02:16 PM
As opposed to the same half assed retarded "logic" that suggests the Rooneys are cheap? I thought losing Super Bowls was "unacceptable" to you?

Piss off, troll.

You just aren't a clear thinker. You mix up stuff and invalidate any
assertion you are attempting - however sloppily - to make.

You clearly show signs of a one-plane model of thinking and you
just can't get very far with such simplicity. For instance, you mix
in all kinds of non sequiturs and don't even understand you don't have
a path of logical thought. I probably could guess your line of work.

The "Rooneys are cheap'" mention is clearly too simplistic of an
assertion and doesn't represent anything I contended. They _are_
too cheap when it comes to making cap space but that hardly is an
across-the-board description. You have applied an entirely too general
of an application to the concept, creating a straw man argument - the
stuff of FAIL.

Now, the real failure is that you mention my assertion that Steeler
fans don't find losing Super Bowls acceptable with the fact that the
Bills lost 4, as if it invalidates that they had such a potent offense
in those years. Again, you just show no ability to think clearly and
within the context of logic. This probably makes you an angry person
as you simply don't understand the truth of the world surrounding you.
When you get home to do you yell at your kids and kick your dog because
you don't understand the realities of the world?

Please try to stay away from non sequiturs, straw man arguments
and ad hominem attacks. You will eventually feel better.

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Sixburgher
08-09-2011, 02:20 PM
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Another pile of absolute pseudo-intellectual babbling bullshit . Wouldn't expect anything less.

Steelersfan87
08-09-2011, 02:26 PM
I believe that the Steelers will run the no huddle more often this year. The primary reason for this being that their range in the no huddle when they did use it was limited due to the inexperience of the receivers. In addition, I don't believe that they will have to utilize the tight ends in pass protection quite so much as last year, further expanding their range of options.

thumper
08-09-2011, 03:00 PM
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Another pile of absolute pseudo-intellectual babbling bullshit . Wouldn't expect anything less.

I see. Cannot refute anything in the context of logic. You are right to
bail; don't bring a butter knife to a gun fight. Your "blah, blah, blah"
images show real intellect though. Did you learn their use when
attaining your masters or Ph.D degree?

thumper
08-09-2011, 03:01 PM
I believe that the Steelers will run the no huddle more often this year. The primary reason for this being that their range in the no huddle when they did use it was limited due to the inexperience of the receivers. In addition, I don't believe that they will have to utilize the tight ends in pass protection quite so much as last year, further expanding their range of options.

It will also help that we don't have that waste of space Spaeth in the mix.
Maybe that other TE we signed, or that rookie, can actually make some
catches.

Sixburgher
08-09-2011, 03:02 PM
I see. Cannot refute anything in the context of logic. You are right to
bail; don't bring a butter knife to a gun fight. Your "blah, blah, blah"
images show real intellect though. Did you learn their use when
attaining your masters or Ph.D degree?

Dumper in a nutshell.

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