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ETL
08-19-2011, 11:22 PM
Offense: 25 players
Defense: 25 players
Special Teams: 3 players


QB (3): Roethlisberger, Dixon, Leftwich
RB (3): Mendenhall, Redman, Moore
FB (1): David Johnson
TE (2): Miller, Gilmour
WR(6): Ward, Wallace, Crotchery, Sanders, Brown, Battle
OL (10): J. Scott, Kemoeatu, Pouncey, Foster, Colon, Gilbert, Legursky, Hills, K. Williams, C. Scott

DL(7): Smith, Hampton, Keisel, Hood, Hoke, Heyward, McClendon
LB (8): Harrison, Woodley, Timmons, Farrior, Sylvester, Worilds, C. Carter, Foote
S (4): Polamalu, Clark, Mundy, Allen
CB (6): Taylor, McFadden, Gay, Lewis, Warren, Brown

Three players played well yesterday to make the roster: Keenan Lewis, Donovan Warren and Arnaz Battle. Battle may also be valued in being a leader in special teams. I previously predicted that Cortez Allen will make this team but he seems too raw to spare a roster spot. He will be practice squad .

Wallabeast17
08-19-2011, 11:30 PM
I'd be afraid to put Cortez on the pratice squad IMO :noidea:

Steelersfan87
08-20-2011, 12:09 AM
Yeah, well someone has to be put on the practice squad or cut. By the way, you listed 7 CBs, ETL.

I know that Warren showed himself well against the Eagles, but I still see him, at best, as a long shot. He is a prime candidate for the practice squad. If Crezdon Butler can't get healthy long enough to show that he can contribute, he is also a practice squad candidate. I also do not believe that they keep 10 offensive linemen at the expense of Jonathan Dwyer. I believe Chris Scott is currently the odd man out in the group (who is also eligible for the practice squad). Ed Bouchette also noted that Tyler Grisham is still eligible, though I'm not sure how. Nevertheless, I will take his word for now.

SteeleReign
08-20-2011, 06:50 AM
:noidea:Offense: 25 players
Defense: 25 players
Special Teams: 3 players


QB (3): Roethlisberger, Dixon, Leftwich
RB (3): Mendenhall, Redman, Moore
FB (1): David Johnson
TE (2): Miller, Gilmour
WR(6): Ward, Wallace, Crotchery, Sanders, Brown, Battle
OL (10): J. Scott, Kemoeatu, Pouncey, Foster, Colon, Gilbert, Legursky, Hills, K. Williams, C. Scott

DL(7): Smith, Hampton, Keisel, Hood, Hoke, Heyward, McClendon
LB (8): Harrison, Woodley, Timmons, Farrior, Sylvester, Worilds, C. Carter, Foote
S (4): Polamalu, Clark, Mundy, Allen
CB (6): Taylor, McFadden, Gay, Lewis, Warren, Brown, Butler

Three players played well yesterday to make the roster: Keenan Lewis, Donovan Warren and Arnaz Battle. Battle may also be valued in being a leader in special teams. I previously predicted that Cortez Allen will make this team but he seems too raw to spare a roster spot. He will be practice squad .

I don't see how Chris Scott makes this team right now. He's been awful - maybe as a warm body in case we continue to struggle with injuries along the line.

I like Warren so far, he could get a spot.

Haven't seen much from Carter. Has he really done enough to make the team?

Also, has Moore got a role? Is he the only RB on the team that can catch a pass in our 3rd down offense? If any of the 3 backs can handle that role, then it's time to cut bait with Mewelde....as much as I like the guy....:noidea:

DanRooney
08-20-2011, 09:59 AM
I'd be afraid to put Cortez on the pratice squad IMO :noidea:

A fourth round pick from Citadel? I'm sure teams are just waiting to snatch him up from our practice squad :chuckle: Being injured with practically no camp because of the lockout, he'd be a good candidate for the PS. Donovan Warren in the man.

ETL
08-20-2011, 11:01 AM
Yeah, well someone has to be put on the practice squad or cut. By the way, you listed 7 CBs, ETL.

I know that Warren showed himself well against the Eagles, but I still see him, at best, as a long shot. He is a prime candidate for the practice squad. If Crezdon Butler can't get healthy long enough to show that he can contribute, he is also a practice squad candidate. I also do not believe that they keep 10 offensive linemen at the expense of Jonathan Dwyer. I believe Chris Scott is currently the odd man out in the group (who is also eligible for the practice squad). Ed Bouchette also noted that Tyler Grisham is still eligible, though I'm not sure how. Nevertheless, I will take his word for now.

Thanks for heads up, i corrected my error.

I was not too impressed with Dwyer. You may be right about Chris Scott but with all our OL injury troubles, even someone like Scott may be of value to have on the team if he is familiar with the offense.

SteeleReign
08-20-2011, 12:23 PM
Thanks for heads up, i corrected my error.

I was not too impressed with Dwyer. You may be right about Chris Scott but with all our OL injury troubles, even someone like Scott may be of value to have on the team if he is familiar with the offense.

Yeah, problem is Chris doesn't appear to be too familiar with blocking. :chuckle: Honestly, I'd rather scour the F/A list rather than keep Scott...unless he really shows something next week.

rich4eagle
08-20-2011, 05:38 PM
Dixon needs to be on the roster

Kingmagyar
08-21-2011, 05:45 PM
Look for them to start the season with only 6 Defensive Lineman. They may keep more then 10 DBs at the expense of a 6th Wideout or 10th offensive lineman.

Lots of DBs to choose from, do the Steelers sacrifice a young guy now for McFadden or Gay who won't be with the team much longer? I say carry the extra DBs this year for the future.

Going way out on a limb here, but if Macho Harris can get on the field I think he will impress them.

DanRooney
08-21-2011, 06:28 PM
Dixon needs to be on the roster

Not really. He sucks.

SteelersTilIDie
08-21-2011, 11:08 PM
Here's what its gonna be:
QB (3)-Ben Roethlisberger, Byron Leftwich, Dennis Dixon
RB (4)-Rashard Mendenhall, Isaac Redman, Mewelde Moore, Jonathan Dwyer
WR (6)-Hines Ward, Mike Wallace, Emmanuel Sanders, Jerricho Cotchery, Antonio Brown, Arnaz Battle
TE (3)-Heath Miller, John Gilmore, David Johnson
T (4)-Jonathan Scott, Willie Colon, Tony Hills, Marcus Gilbert
G (4)-Chris Kemoeatu, Ramon Foster, Doug Legursky, Keith Williams
C (1)-Maurkice Pouncey

DE (5)-Aaron Smith, Brett Keisel, Ziggy Hood, Cameron Heyward, Corbin Bryant
NT (2)-Casey Hampton, Chris Hoke
OLB (4)-James Harrison, LaMarr Woodley, Jason Worilds, Chris Carter
ILB (4)-Lawrence Timmons, James Farrior, Larry Foote, Stevenson Sylvester
CB (6)-Ike Taylor, Bryant McFadden, William Gay, Keenan Lewis, Curtis Brown, Donovan Warren
S (4)-Troy Polamalu, Ryan Clark, Will Allen, Ryan Mundy

K (1)-Shaun Suisham
P (1)-Daniel Sepulveda
LS (1)-Greg Warren

PS (8)-Donovan Warren, Cortez Allen, Tyler Grisham, John Clay, Mortty Ivy, Weslye Saunders, Mario Harvey, Da'Mon Cromartie-Smith

DanRooney
08-21-2011, 11:15 PM
Corbin Bryant and Kevin Dockery?

Fire Arians
08-21-2011, 11:34 PM
donovan warren will make the team

MDSteel15
08-22-2011, 08:24 AM
donovan warren will make the team

^^^^^^^^^ :thumbsup: ^^^^^^^^^^

And why the hell would you want to keep Arnaz Battle? He's done absolutely nothing since coming here!

MDSteel15
08-22-2011, 08:28 AM
http://pittsburgh.sbnation.com/pittsburgh-steelers/2011/8/20/2374410/steelers-roster-2011-jerricho-cotchery-arnaz-battle-antonio-brown-mike-wallace

SteelersTilIDie
08-22-2011, 11:40 AM
^^^^^^^^^ :thumbsup: ^^^^^^^^^^

And why the hell would you want to keep Arnaz Battle? He's done absolutely nothing since coming here!

Arnaz Battle is having a pretty good preseason and he is a valuable special teamer.

According to the post gazette Corbin Bryant is having a very strong camp and is pushing hard to be the last defensive lineman to make it.

stiller39
08-22-2011, 11:46 AM
Loved D. Warren in last preseason. He was all over the place. I think we will find another gem in free agency once the rosters are paired down and that will determine who doesn't make our team.

Curtain_of_Steel
08-22-2011, 11:47 AM
They dump Swayze waters yet? I think his tide has rolled out of town.

kirklandrules
08-22-2011, 02:00 PM
They dump Swayze waters yet? I think his tide has rolled out of town.

They won't dump him until Suisham returns from his surgery.

Kingmagyar
08-22-2011, 02:17 PM
No matter how good Battles plays special teams are you really going to have him active over the 5 guys in front of him. This is not the year to keep 6 receivers when there is so much young talent elsewhere on the roster mainly Cornerback and Linebacker. Also wouldn't bet on 7 D-Lineman either. Corbin Bryant on the practice squad would be available if anyone sustains a serious injury.

And because we are seeing Donovan Warren all over the place is that a good thing. Sure he is getting tackles but all that means is the guy he is covering is catching balls in front of him. I have yet to see him break up a pass. Does anyone know if he has a pass defended to his stats? One thing for sure he plays tighter then McFadden does.

theplatypus
08-22-2011, 02:26 PM
The new kickoff rules have essentially made players like Battle obsolete so I would use his roster spot for an extra DB or maybe W. Sanders at TE. Of course this is assuming that Suisham(sp?) can actually kick it deep enough to force touchbacks.

kirklandrules
08-22-2011, 02:40 PM
The new kickoff rules have essentially made players like Battle obsolete so I would use his roster spot for an extra DB or maybe W. Sanders at TE. Of course this is assuming that Suisham(sp?) can actually kick it deep enough to force touchbacks.

In today's NFL, you probably want 6 WRs on the roster. If not Battle, then it will be Grisham. They won't pull a WR spot for a 4th TE or an 8th DB.

Steelersfan87
08-22-2011, 03:11 PM
No matter how good Battles plays special teams are you really going to have him active over the 5 guys in front of him.

This is a good point that I have not considered before. As you say even if they keep Battle, it would be a weekly struggle for him to even get a helmet on game day. Yet we also must consider the possibility that the Steelers elect to dress 2 QBs on gameday and use the 46th man for a special teamer, which would very likely be Battle.

And people keep forgetting that the new kickoff rule does nothing to change punts.

Kingmagyar
08-22-2011, 03:48 PM
I just think you are really weakening your offense by not dressing Brown, Sanders, and Cotchery in favor of Battles.

As far as Grisham, what do people see in this guy, come on he is thrown the ball deep and he is too slow and not tall enough to even make a play on the ball. This guy has done nothing in the preseason to have him make an NFL roster.

We need for our future to hold onto an extra DB, not a 6th receiver. The xtra DB we hold on to (Warren or Allen or Harris) at least has a chance to be a starter some day unlike Battles or Grisham.

ETL
08-22-2011, 10:06 PM
This is a good point that I have not considered before. As you say even if they keep Battle, it would be a weekly struggle for him to even get a helmet on game day. Yet we also must consider the possibility that the Steelers elect to dress 2 QBs on gameday and use the 46th man for a special teamer, which would very likely be Battle.

And people keep forgetting that the new kickoff rule does nothing to change punts.

Battle played QB in college. He could be an emergency QB if needed.

ETL
08-22-2011, 10:10 PM
One thing that we must consider is players that other teams release.

More than likely, someone of experience or more talent will be released by another team. We should consider picking them up instead of having guys like Chris Scott or K. williams take up a roster space.

SteelersTilIDie
08-22-2011, 11:23 PM
No matter how good Battles plays special teams are you really going to have him active over the 5 guys in front of him. This is not the year to keep 6 receivers when there is so much young talent elsewhere on the roster mainly Cornerback and Linebacker. Also wouldn't bet on 7 D-Lineman either. Corbin Bryant on the practice squad would be available if anyone sustains a serious injury.

And because we are seeing Donovan Warren all over the place is that a good thing. Sure he is getting tackles but all that means is the guy he is covering is catching balls in front of him. I have yet to see him break up a pass. Does anyone know if he has a pass defended to his stats? One thing for sure he plays tighter then McFadden does.

Receiver is the position in which the Steelers have the most young talent. Mike Wallace, Emmanuel Sanders, Antonio Brown, and Tyler Grisham on the practice squad is one of the most formidable young receiving groups in the league. The Steelers also always keep 7 defensive linemen. Who outside of the 8 linebackers I included would you even suggest make the team over a specials teams ace like Battle and contribute in a way other than on special teams?

SteelersTilIDie
08-22-2011, 11:25 PM
In today's NFL, you probably want 6 WRs on the roster. If not Battle, then it will be Grisham. They won't pull a WR spot for a 4th TE or an 8th DB.

I 100% agree thank God someone else understands

SteelersTilIDie
08-22-2011, 11:27 PM
I just think you are really weakening your offense by not dressing Brown, Sanders, and Cotchery in favor of Battles.

As far as Grisham, what do people see in this guy, come on he is thrown the ball deep and he is too slow and not tall enough to even make a play on the ball. This guy has done nothing in the preseason to have him make an NFL roster.

We need for our future to hold onto an extra DB, not a 6th receiver. The xtra DB we hold on to (Warren or Allen or Harris) at least has a chance to be a starter some day unlike Battles or Grisham.

Sanders, Brown, and Cotchery are all obviously going to dress for every game and Donovan Warren is going to make the team anyway and it's absurd to think that a team in this modern day passing NFL would forsake a solid receiver and special teamer that will play for an 8th corner who is a project and wouldn't even see the field anyway and belongs on the practice squad. Also his name is Arnaz BATTLE (no s)

Steelersfan87
08-23-2011, 12:16 AM
The Steelers must keep either 6 DL, 5 WR, or 3 RB in order to carry SEVEN CBs, not 8.

The Steelers are guaranteed to carry 3 QBs. Add to that 3 ST. Then 8 LBs. Then 9 OL. Then 4 S. Then 3 TE. These are positional numbers that are pretty stable as locks, meaning that it is highly unlikely that they carry more or less than these numbers. That leaves 23 spots for RB, WR, DL, and CB:

3 QB
3 ST
8 LB
9 OL
4 S
3 TE
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30

53
- 30
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23

One of these positions will have to carry one less player than one would like (3 RB instead of 4, 5 WR instead of 6, 6 DL instead of 7, 6 CB instead of 7). It is difficult to determine the odd man out based on both positional need and who the actual player in question is. In this instance, it is Jonathan Dwyer, Arnaz Battle, McLendon/Bryant/Gray, and Butler/Warren/Allen. In my opinion, it is more crucial to carry 7 DL than to have maximal capacity at the other positions due to the age of the NTs on the roster. So in my scenario, that leaves 16 spots for RB, WR, and CB. CB is a positional weakness in general for the Steelers and they harbor a number of younger players with undeveloped potential, so I feel it's important to carry as much of them as possible, where at least one of Butler, Warren, and Allen will have to be sacrificed just to carry 7. So that leaves 9 spots between RB and WR.

I'm honestly not sure which spot I believe to be more valuable. It would be difficult for either to get a helmet on gameday, so having a special teams ace that makes $1M+ as the 6th receiver is a difficult proposition. On the other hand, Jonathan Dwyer has shown an improvement, significantly, in his game without the ball in his hands, and this includes special teams play. He has shown a willingness and ability to block and a willingness and ability to play special teams, so if a 4th RB can play special teams, I believe that is more valuable than a 6th WR that can play special teams. Dwyer can step in to be the #2 pure runner should Mendenhall or Redman get injured during the season. However, if Ward, Wallace, or Sanders get injured, it would be Brown and Cotchery taking their place. Using this analysis, I conclude that Arnaz Battle no longer needs his roster spot, especially if new young players like Chris Carter and Curtis Brown prove to be the special teamers they have purported to be.