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ETL
08-23-2011, 06:17 PM
Ok, before I get pelted by a bunch of hate comments, please know that I have already punished myself thoroughly by slamming my penis with the car door for starting a Tebow thread. Bad ETL! Bad ETL! Bad ETL!

But given the new rules of having a 46th roster spot - would there be any value in trading a 6th round pick or even picking him up if he is ever cut by Denver to play TE or FB (NOT QB, NOT EVER) .... hmmm?.....




(ok I will go slam it some more...)

OX1947
08-23-2011, 06:23 PM
Not really, Tebow has 2 years left in this league unless he wants to be a 3rd stringer for the next 10 years.

All the "no one thought I could...." commercials he did are all hot air. In the NFL, if you cant read a defense and throw to a spot accurately on a consistent bases, you are ****ed as an NFL qb.

theplatypus
08-23-2011, 06:27 PM
I'm sure we could find a solid fullback that we don't need to teach how to block for far less then it would cost for that media *****.

shit isn't censored but wh0re is ?

3rdandlong
08-23-2011, 06:28 PM
Has Tebow ever played any of those positions? He's a quarterback. No, I wouldn't give Denver a 6th round pick in the off chance that Tebow can play TE or FB. And thank you for slapping yourself, so I don't have to!

Buddha Bus
08-23-2011, 06:35 PM
I'd rather re-sign Mark Malone. :shake01:

ETL
08-23-2011, 06:38 PM
But Tebow is so wholesome and so inspiring .... he will keep on practicing and working hard until we go 16-0.

theplatypus
08-23-2011, 06:42 PM
But Tebow is so wholesome and so inspiring .... he will keep on practicing and working hard until we go 16-0.

I would rather go 0-16 and trade away Luck for a small ransom.

Fire Arians
08-23-2011, 09:28 PM
hes prolly better than dixon

BKAnthem
08-23-2011, 09:31 PM
hes prolly better than dixon

Hell No...

tanda10506
08-23-2011, 09:43 PM
Didn't Denver get him in the 1st round, what makes anybody think they would take a 6th for him. I completely agree he's better then Dixon, Dixon is just flat horrible, and I don't think it would be a bad deal for a 6th rounder. But as a FB or TE, no. I think it would be a small step up at the back up QB position, and if I could get him for a 6th I would, but we can't get him for a 6th and I wouldn't want him if it would cost us more then that.

Atlanta Dan
08-23-2011, 09:53 PM
Ok, before I get pelted by a bunch of hate comments, please know that I have already punished myself thoroughly by slamming my penis with the car door for starting a Tebow thread. Bad ETL! Bad ETL! Bad ETL!

But given the new rules of having a 46th roster spot - would there be any value in trading a 6th round pick or even picking him up if he is ever cut by Denver to play TE or FB (NOT QB, NOT EVER) .... hmmm?.....

Absolutely - the Steelers then can put Tebow at QB and trade Roethlisberger as part of a package with Timmons, Woodley, and Wallace to obtain Burress in a trade with the Jets:thumbsup:

That trade also will free up cap space to permit signing up Plax to a long term deaL

BossAus
08-23-2011, 11:01 PM
You guys must be drinking from the Merril Hoge Koolaid. I realize many people are turned off by Tebow by the attention he attracts, but the dude is a winner. I'm a big Florida fan and I watched every game the kid played at Florida. He's a QB and nothing else. He tore up the SEC, which while I know it isn't the NFL, it's the strongest and fastest conference in college. He has unmatched leadership and is a huge motivator for teammates. You also seem to forget that he threw for over 300 yards in 2 of the 4 games he started last season. He's only been in the league a year. Give him time and he can become a solid QB. You can now flame me that I have that out of my system.

DanRooney
08-23-2011, 11:40 PM
He's absolutely better than Dixon.

At least Tebow knows he can't throw and isn't scared of being stereotyped into using his strengths.

dreegking
08-24-2011, 01:33 AM
He's absolutely better than Dixon.

At least Tebow knows he can't throw and isn't scared of being stereotyped into using his strengths.

Do you like anyone on the Steelers team?

DanRooney
08-24-2011, 01:48 AM
Do you like anyone on the Steelers team?

I actually like probably 75 percent of the Steelers team. I'm the only one who consistently praises guys like Brown and Sylvester, who have the potential to be very special players. Ben, Wallace, Troy, Harrison and Timmons are among the best in the league at their positions and I've always defended them. Never said anything wrong about the guys on our D-Line either other than Ziggy Hood, who I thought was a pretty questionable pick in the fact that he's more of a 4-3 DT. Loved the Heyward pick. Love Pouncey. Indifferent about Woodley. I think he's a good player but a bit overrated especially comparing him to Timmons (or I guess you could say Timmons is underrated).

When it comes to guys like Ward and Farrior, it's not like I don't like them. They are all-time great Steelers...but their time in the 'burgh should be over or at least close to over. I really hate them standing in front of Brown and Sylvester when I think the younger guys at this point would be better options.

When it comes to Dixon and Gay, there's really nothing positive to say about them. I'm bewildered why you like these bums. I also bashed Urbik, Frank Summers, and Shipley every chance I got because I knew they sucked. Same goes for Randle El. Horrible resigning.

tanda10506
08-24-2011, 03:04 AM
When it comes to Dixon and Gay, there's really nothing positive to say about them.

In any future discussions about these two, this should be the ending^^^. Bad results are bad results.

solardave
08-24-2011, 03:22 AM
I'd rather re-sign Mark Malone. :shake01:

Or Cliff Stout.:noidea:

steelfury02
08-24-2011, 09:05 AM
I'll put it this way - if I were running the Broncos I would have taken a 3rd round pick for Orton as a victory. The guy is a game manager at best. A 10-6 season would be monumental for them at this point.

John Elway = Michael Jordan in Front Office decision making or aka absolutely horrible in Front Office decision making

When you hire an uninspired John Fox from CAROLINA you aren't going to get a guy that will be able to coach up a raw talent like Tebow.

Gaffe after gaffe for this organization. You have a sports car you aren't willing to use because of the 2001 Cavalier that has started games basically. Since when did 3-10 instill confidence? They certainly can't do any worse with Tebow. Winning attitude goes a long way. That's all I'm saying. It is too bad Tebow couldn't have ended up with a team like the Steelers or Eagles that will at least give him an ideal situation where he can truly learn from guys that have a vested interest in him. By that I mean they wouldn't be afraid to use the sports car every once in a while. The guys confidence is going to take a nose dive if he doesn't get on the field that much this year.

cloppbeast
08-24-2011, 10:00 AM
I'm sure we could find a solid fullback that we don't need to teach how to block for far less then it would cost for that media *****.

shit isn't censored but wh0re is ?

Tebow would be a damn expensive full back.

theplatypus
08-24-2011, 10:54 AM
You guys must be drinking from the Merril Hoge Koolaid. I realize many people are turned off by Tebow by the attention he attracts, but the dude is a winner. I'm a big Florida fan and I watched every game the kid played at Florida. He's a QB and nothing else. He tore up the SEC, which while I know it isn't the NFL, it's the strongest and fastest conference in college. He has unmatched leadership and is a huge motivator for teammates. You also seem to forget that he threw for over 300 yards in 2 of the 4 games he started last season. He's only been in the league a year. Give him time and he can become a solid QB. You can now flame me that I have that out of my system.


Forget little timmy, we don't need to spend 50 million on potential.

As one highly knowledgeable member of the organization told me Monday, “If everything was totally equal, and this were a competition based only on performance at this camp, Tebow would probably be the fourth-string guy. Kyle [Orton] is far and away the best, and Tebow’s way behind [Brady] Quinn, too. And I’m telling you, Adam Weber is flat-out better right now.”


For all the talk about Tebow’s need to improve his mechanics, Broncos sources say his lack of familiarity with running a pro-style offense is an even more egregious issue. As one executive says, “Forget about how he delivers the ball, or how accurate it is. First he has to know where to go with it.”


http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_yl...erbacks_082311

kirklandrules
08-24-2011, 11:43 AM
Tebow would be a damn expensive full back.

Your right ... the first practice of backs on 'backers, James Harrison would explode right through Tebow.

kirklandrules
08-24-2011, 11:52 AM
When it comes to guys like Ward and Farrior, it's not like I don't like them. They are all-time great Steelers...but their time in the 'burgh should be over or at least close to over. I really hate them standing in front of Brown and Sylvester when I think the younger guys at this point would be better options.

I agree their time is getting short with this team, but I don't think (especially in Farrior's case) that the younger talent is better than the vet talent. The TD Ward had last week was something you probably won't get out of Brown this year ... Ward ran a route that comes from a few years of playing with Ben. The good news is Brown will see plenty of action this year. Sylvester couldn't carry Farrior's jock right now. I think he's a very talented player, but Farrior is the field general of that defense (he's making the pre-snap adjustments to the front 7). Do you think Sylvester is going to step right in and take over? Plus, Farrior had a decent year last year. Time will catch up with these guys and it may be a case of just one more year, but veteran leadership has been a key to the success of this team.

sharkweek
08-24-2011, 12:14 PM
I've never been a Tebow fan, certainly not as a QB, but at 6'3" 245lbs, he'd definitely make an interesting converted TE or FB used as a gadget guy or emergency QB, but just like with Pryor there's going to be some other team dumb enough to give more and pay more (of which I would never pay much more than league average if not league minimum for him) to even bother fantasizing about the possibility

and that's before getting into the argument of whether or not he'd even be effective in such a position

ETL
08-24-2011, 02:53 PM
Yes, gadget plays are ok for him. He's thrown somewhat and he knows how to take a snap which is of value if our first two QBs go down with injury. If he can play TE or catch a pass out of the backfield, then he may be of more use than to activate Charlie Batch as the 46th player.

steelfury02
08-24-2011, 03:01 PM
I think more than anything Tebow supporters see it as such a wasted opportunity. I'm sure it will be hard for Tebow to be sitting watching Cam Newton start. Want to talk about not being familiar with a pro-style offense? Lol - its called throwing him into the fire and learning on the go.

The Broncos obviously think waaaaay too highly of Orton. Time for them to stop overestimating themselves as an organization and take some more risks IMHO. One reason and one reason alone Denver suffers - no leader at QB, no leader on offense. Been that way since Elway left.

The ultimate question is - if you were in Denver's position and you had Orton, Quinn and Tebow - what would you do?

Doesn't matter I guess cause at this rate Tebow is already thinking of what team he is going to next. This won't end well at this rate.

Just glad we have the Steelers cause ultimately with the Bronco theory if Tommy Maddox got hurt then Brian St. Pierre would have been the logical choice cause ya know he had played some. We don't need to see what a first rounder can do. Can you imagine not putting Ben into that game? lololololololololol

theplatypus
08-24-2011, 03:05 PM
Yes, gadget plays are ok for him. He's thrown somewhat and he knows how to take a snap which is of value if our first two QBs go down with injury. If he can play TE or catch a pass out of the backfield, then he may be of more use than to activate Charlie Batch as the 46th player.


THere's an article linked early stating that he can't take a snap from under center. He's essentially frozen in place and behind on every play because of it. We don't need a 50 million dollar project.

steelfury02
08-24-2011, 03:11 PM
Well - the Broncos do. They might as well start working on that project . . .

kirklandrules
08-24-2011, 04:49 PM
Well - the Broncos do. They might as well start working on that project . . .

Yeah, they better start working on it. Cause the guy isn't a TE nor a FB. Taking up a roster spot for someone who is a gadget play specialist is a poor decision. Especially since the defense will know it's going to be a trick play when he comes in. And, by the way, don't be fooled by the 1 long run last year ... in the pros, this guy isn't that fast.

#1LambertFan
08-24-2011, 05:39 PM
You guys must be drinking from the Merril Hoge Koolaid. I realize many people are turned off by Tebow by the attention he attracts, but the dude is a winner. I'm a big Florida fan and I watched every game the kid played at Florida. He's a QB and nothing else. He tore up the SEC, which while I know it isn't the NFL, it's the strongest and fastest conference in college. He has unmatched leadership and is a huge motivator for teammates. You also seem to forget that he threw for over 300 yards in 2 of the 4 games he started last season. He's only been in the league a year. Give him time and he can become a solid QB. You can now flame me that I have that out of my system.

If he was a winner he would have showed it in the NFL by now. I said he would never be able to make it in the NFL his junior season and I stand by that statement today. Give it another year and you will be ready to put another notch on the "great in college but couldn't make the transition" belt, along with... pretty much every Heisman winner.

You also seem to forget that in UF he played behind one of the greatest offensive lines in NCAA history, had a slew of weapons to choose from, and the greatest factor of all: He played against COLLEGE DEFENSES!

#1LambertFan
08-24-2011, 05:45 PM
I've never been a Tebow fan, certainly not as a QB, but at 6'3" 245lbs, he'd definitely make an interesting converted TE or FB used as a gadget guy or emergency QB, but just like with Pryor there's going to be some other team dumb enough to give more and pay more (of which I would never pay much more than league average if not league minimum for him) to even bother fantasizing about the possibility

and that's before getting into the argument of whether or not he'd even be effective in such a position

The difference is Pryor has proven himself to be stronger, faster, and more agile than Tebow. I can see a Tight End or Fullback out of Pryor but never Tebow. He does not have the grace of any TE I've seen and certainly doesnt have the tenacity a FB needs.

pancake
08-24-2011, 06:49 PM
I'm not interested in the golden boy.

BossAus
08-24-2011, 06:53 PM
If he was a winner he would have showed it in the NFL by now. I said he would never be able to make it in the NFL his junior season and I stand by that statement today. Give it another year and you will be ready to put another notch on the "great in college but couldn't make the transition" belt, along with... pretty much every Heisman winner.

You also seem to forget that in UF he played behind one of the greatest offensive lines in NCAA history, had a slew of weapons to choose from, and the greatest factor of all: He played against COLLEGE DEFENSES!

He hasn't had an extended opportunity. Remember, in the Broncos vs. Texans game Tebow led them to a 24-23 comeback win. It's also not like he had the greatest weapons around him. The Broncos running game was weak and their offensive line was suspect. If someone who has an established QB is willing to tutor him, he can become a solid QB, even if not great, and will always be a great presence in the huddle.

theplatypus
08-24-2011, 07:16 PM
He hasn't had an extended opportunity. Remember, in the Broncos vs. Texans game Tebow led them to a 24-23 comeback win. It's also not like he had the greatest weapons around him. The Broncos running game was weak and their offensive line was suspect. If someone who has an established QB is willing to tutor him, he can become a solid QB, even if not great, and will always be a great presence in the huddle.


Don't know that I would use a game with absolutely no meaning whatsoever as a gauge. Personally I put about as much stock in an end of season game between two teams with nothing to gain as I do in a preseason game.

He;s had a full season and full offseason to show some improvement, but he hasn't. He's actually regressed, people in the Denver front office are saying that Weber the undrafted qb is playing better. One would think that Mr. Workethic would have spent the entire offseason working with a qb coach trying to improve his game. The way I see it he either lost his work ethic when the checks started rolling in, picked a really crappy QB coach, or he didn't retain anything that they worked on. Maybe he should have spent more timing working on his flaws and less time writing his memoir.

BigRick
08-24-2011, 08:13 PM
Didn't Denver get him in the 1st round, what makes anybody think they would take a 6th for him. I completely agree he's better then Dixon, Dixon is just flat horrible, and I don't think it would be a bad deal for a 6th rounder. But as a FB or TE, no. I think it would be a small step up at the back up QB position, and if I could get him for a 6th I would, but we can't get him for a 6th and I wouldn't want him if it would cost us more then that.

Yeah they did what a waste of a first roud pick. Brings back memories of Ryan Leaf. Just glad it was Denver.:rofl::rofl:

OX1947
08-24-2011, 09:34 PM
Comparing Tebow to Leaf is a little excessive. Ryan Leaf was not only horrible but a pathetic human being.

The thing with Tebow is he can't play QB in the NFL. It isn't we are being mean to him, the guy can't play QB. His arm is horrid, his ability to read NFL defenses is not there but most of all, he just isnt a QB in the NFL. You have to do two things well in the NFL to be a solid NFL QB. Throw to a spot consistently and read defenses. If you cant do those two things you are jacked.

I have no idea what has happened to QB evaluation the last 10 years but you would think with how sophisticated scouting and analyzing has become, how the hell have players like Vince Young, Tebow and Cam newton gone in the first round with two of them being in the top 3 in picks.

ETL
08-24-2011, 10:15 PM
Comparing Tebow to Leaf is a little excessive. Ryan Leaf was not only horrible but a pathetic human being.

Agree. Tebow is a better human being that Leaf.

If anything, Tebow was too determined. He truly believes that he can be a high level QB in this league and he can do it with sheer determination. That is admirable but not realistic.

That's the problem with all this God, Christianity, faith talk that surrounds Tebow. If you ever want to inject realism into the conversation, these religious nut jobs judge you for "not having faith" or how they need to "reject the ways of this world" or how Tebow will be hated because "they hated [Jesus] first." You can never have a real conversation.

The real deal is that he is bereft of physical talent to play QB in the NFL. No matter how smart he is or how much he practices, Tebow will not be good in this league ... EVER! I'm sorry but that's just the way it is. Sinners like Ben Roethlisberger who has probably never fasted or circumcised kids in the Third World have 100 times more talent to play QB.

But I still like his spunk. Sort of in a Forrest Gump way. Maybe we can make him a cheerleader.

theplatypus
08-24-2011, 11:15 PM
But I still like his spunk. Sort of in a Forrest Gump way. Maybe we can make him a cheerleader.

Good lord man have you been sniffing glue? First you want to trade for tebow and now you want crossdressing cheerleaders. WTF?

ETL
08-25-2011, 12:16 AM
Good lord man have you been sniffing glue? First you want to trade for tebow and now you want crossdressing cheerleaders. WTF?

Who said anything about crossdressing. They have male college cheerleaders. I think he would make a great cheerleader. Actually, that may be all that he is good for in this league.

BigRick
08-25-2011, 09:45 PM
[QUOTE=OX1947;938108]Comparing Tebow to Leaf is a little excessive. Ryan Leaf was not only horrible but a pathetic human being.

I wasn't comparing Tebow to Leaf on a personal. Just making a point that Denver wasted a first round pick. Leaf just happened to be the first to come to mind. You did raise an interesting point, with the extensive testing teams do how do they draft the likes of Leaf and Young so high in the first round ? Also I agree with you and said when they drafted himTebow would never be a starting NFL QB.:helmet:

Third Rail
08-28-2011, 12:09 AM
I almost feel bad for Tebow... ALMOST... because I'm sure he's a good guy at heart, but I agree that he'll likely never be successful in the NFL. But that's what happens when you've been trained the wrong way for so long (or rather, trained the right way to win at the college level but the wrong way for football at the NFL level). It's hard to shake your old techniques, and it might literally be too late to develop the correct ones. And when you add to that the psychological aspect - and by that I mean going from a culture in which you are constantly winning and being hero-worshiped to being relegated to third-string duty on a losing team - it must be frustrating.

One thing I do love though is that all those morons who spent money on #15 Broncos jerseys right after he was drafted probably feel pretty stupid right now. And to that I say GOOD, because half of those people know nothing about football and aren't even Broncos fans... they're just tools who have been teabagging Tebow since his college days because he's the perfect model of a God-fearing young man or whatever.

ricardisimo
08-28-2011, 03:45 AM
If he was a winner he would have showed it in the NFL by now. I said he would never be able to make it in the NFL his junior season and I stand by that statement today. Give it another year and you will be ready to put another notch on the "great in college but couldn't make the transition" belt, along with... pretty much every Heisman winner.

You also seem to forget that in UF he played behind one of the greatest offensive lines in NCAA history, had a slew of weapons to choose from, and the greatest factor of all: He played against COLLEGE DEFENSES!
I happen to think Tebow's a bust, but your comments are kind of ridiculous. Peyton Manning's a "winner", and he won all of two or three games his first year. The difference is he got a chance to show his stuff and learn on the job his rookie year, while Tebow did not. Denver thinks it can win now, which it can't of course.

And as far as "He played against COLLEGE DEFENSES!" I hate to break it to you, but they all played against college defenses... unless they were playing against college offenses.

That said, Tebow's a bust, but it has more to do with the team that drafted him. Denver is a black hole right now. No one should be quarterbacking there.