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Suitanim
05-30-2006, 05:37 PM
Disturbing stuff...but, of course no major media outlet will report it.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/5/29/132706.shtml?s=ic

Using Pentagon statistics cross-checked with independent research, King said he came up with an annualized Iraqi civilian death rate of 27.51 per 100,000.

"It's 45 violent deaths per 100,000 in Washington, D.C.," King told Crowley.
Other American cities with higher violent civilian death rates than Iraq include:

Detroit - 41.8 per 100,000
Baltimore - 37.7 per 100,000
Atlanta - 34.9 per 100,000
St. Louis - 31.4 per 100,000

The American city with the highest civilian death rate was New Orleans before Katrina - with a staggering 53.1 deaths per 100,000 - almost twice the death rate in Iraq.

tony hipchest
05-30-2006, 05:40 PM
whats the death rate in baghdad?

maybe the major media dont report it because it is skewed. id like to see the death rate of a country (u.s.a.) compared to iraq rather than individual cities. u.s. has about 300,000,000 people compared to about 28,000,000 in the whole country of iraq.

Suitanim
05-30-2006, 05:52 PM
That's nice and all, but the US didn't recently have a regime change and isn't in complete upheaval whilst adjusting to an entirely new form of government.

It's an exercise in contrast and comparison, as well as a bit of social commentary on the safety on our own cities.

But, to further compare and contrast, here is how another major US news outlet chose to spin the number.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2006-03-02-civilian-deaths_x.htm

Iraqi government figures show civilian death rate highest

tony hipchest
05-30-2006, 06:01 PM
It's an exercise in contrast and comparison, as well as a bit of social commentary on the safety on our own cities.



well if iraq is actually safer than some of the major american cities wouldnt it stand to reason that our recources over there would be better served making our own streets safe?

you know what they say about statistics. especially when comparing apples to oranges.

Suitanim
05-30-2006, 06:10 PM
Yes, that would make sense if you were opposed to us being there...but, I believe we never should have left in the first place.

Or, one could exptrapolate further, and support the ridiculous argument that the US cease "meddling" in ALL World affairs, then slowly watch the entire World economy collapse in upon itself. It's hard to make tough decisons sometimes, but OH so easy to second guess them.

tony hipchest
05-30-2006, 06:23 PM
Disturbing stuff...but, of course no major media outlet will report it.

."Yes, that would make sense if you were opposed to us being there...but, I believe we never should have left in the first place."

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totally agree. but getting back to the initial post while the numbers are disturbing (any cold blooded murder is) they are more consistant than suprising. we pretty much lead the industrialized nations in murders per capita. this is a direct result of capitalism and the difference between the haves and the have nots.

and who would benefit if a major media outlet reported it? what would be the point of reporting old news. i am not shocked by the numbers cause i have studied them. murders occur much more frequently in urban areas than they do in rural areas.

as far as a safety issue goes, i would need to see the % of iraquis that live in urban vs. rural areas compared to the % of americans that live in urban vs. rural and then compare the death/murder rates of those figures.

the right can spin these #'s to say that were making iraq safer than our own cities ( its not as bad as it seems) and the left can spin it and say its proof that the rescources are better spent over here than abroad.

either way its comparing u.s. urban cities to a foreign country as a whole. it just smells of spin and propoganda

Suitanim
05-30-2006, 06:27 PM
Hey, I just threw it out there to make people think.

By the by, if you get a chance, watch "Patriot Act, a Jeffrey Ross Home Movie". He's the relatively unknown guy who always absolutely KILLS in all the Comedy Central Roasts. He went on a USO tour in Iraq with Drew Carey and taped a bunch of his experiences. It's on HBO this month...

tony hipchest
05-30-2006, 06:33 PM
Hey, I just threw it out there to make people think.

By the by, if you get a chance, watch "Patriot Act, a Jeffrey Ross Home Movie". He's the relatively unknown guy who always absolutely KILLS in all the Comedy Central Roasts. He went on a USO tour in Iraq with Drew Carey and taped a bunch of his experiences. It's on HBO this month... will check it out, and having wanted to be a field surgeon for the military, (getting rejected by the air force academy kinda hurt my inspiration and pursuit) still need to see the Baghdad ER (i hope they still show it).

Suitanim
05-30-2006, 06:55 PM
Baghdad ER is an absolute must watch. It is EXTREMELY intense. I haven't felt like that since I watched Band of Brothers.

83-Steelers-43
05-30-2006, 07:43 PM
Baghdad ER is an absolute must watch. It is EXTREMELY intense. I haven't felt like that since I watched Band of Brothers.

I agree. Watching "Baghdad ER" was the exact same feeling I had in the opening twenty minutes of "Saving Private Ryan". Complete aww. The chaplain in "Baghdad ER" was something else. One mentally tough individual to say the least.

Suitanim
05-30-2006, 07:59 PM
I definitely feel the same way about the Chaplain...since I have no military experience, all I know is what I saw on M.A.S.H about the padre, and that was almost nothing. Since Platoon, Three Kings, Apocalypse Now, Jarhead, Saving Private Ryan and even Band of Brothers were filmed by people with an agenda that didn't include religion, I found the REAL role of the Chaplain to be incredibly poignant.