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SteelCityMom
08-31-2011, 11:01 AM
Five Steelers to Watch Tomorrow Against Carolina
AUTHOR: Dom (http://nicepickcowher.com/author/dpod66/)
Aug 31st 2011

The Steelers head to Carolina tomorrow to take on the Panthers and Cam Newtonís sub 50% completion percentage. Why Carolina decided to draft Newton instead of Dareus or somebody else is beyond me. Anyways, before I go off on a tangent about why spread QBís are ill suited for the N.F.L. game, letís get to the matter at hand: the Steelers are playing their final preseason game and the final cuts will be made on Saturday September 3rd. Since this will be their last game-time opportunity to prove something to the Coaching Staff, look for those with the most to lose to be giving all they got. And as we all know, stepping oneís game up just a notch when the pressure is on can be the difference between a guy either making the team/not making the team, or a guy earning a starting spot/riding the pine pony. So much like last week, I thought Iíd make a list of five guys that I will be keeping my eye on tomorrow that have quite a bit riding on their performances in the Steelersí final preseason game.

5. Weslye Saunders

When I had heard that the Steelers had signed Weslye Saunders as a UDFA, I felt a strange mix of excitement yet uneasiness settle over me. While he had gotten into some trouble in college and been suspended during his final season, I was aware of what a physical specimen he was and that he could be a sleeper in terms of making an impact down the road for the Steelers. Saunders is currently in a battle with John Gilmore for the 3rd TE spot behind Pro Bowler Heath Miller and H-Back/TE Dennis Johnson. Even with a big game against the Panthers, word is that Saunders might still be destined for the Practice Squad. I believe that this aforementioned notion of placing Saunders on the practice squad is justifiable and intelligent. Saunders could spend an entire season honing his blocking skills and developing himself further as an all-around TE and then be ready by 2012 to challenge for the #2 spot. However, Iím personally afraid that Weslye might not make it through waivers if he is indeed cut, because some teams out there might be willing to take the gamble on a tremendous college talent and be willing to steal him if he is indeed released. It will be up to the Coaching Staff to decide what Saundersí fate is, I just hope that if he is let go he doesnít end up biting the Steelers in the future.

4. Doug Legursky

Everybodyís favorite Goal Line Fullback will be getting the starting nod tomorrow. I thought Tony Hills did a decent enough job against the Falcons last week at Right Guard to warrant another start, but I do like the move here by the Coaching Staff. Since this is a meaningless game in terms of the outcome, the Steelers might as well see if their top Interior O-Line backup can prove himself at Right Guard and possibly perform better than Hills. Plus, even if Leggo doesnít end up panning out at RG, the Steelers will have at least seen him in action there and know what he can be capable of if he is needed in the regular season. Therefore, the Steelers have little to lose, and a lot to gain with this move. Unlike some of the others on this list, Leggo will undoubtedly have a roster spot as a top backup due to his versatility at C/G, and thus not have to worry if he performance isnít up to par. However, Leggo my be getting his best shot so far in his 4th season to start full-time on the O-Line tomorrow. So, keep a close eye out for Leggo Steeler Nation, and look for him to try and take advantage of his chance.

3. Crezdon Butler

After sitting out the Philadelphia game two weeks ago with a quad injury, and with Lewis and Warren turning in solid performances, it was looking like Crezdon might be seeking employment elsewhere in 2011. That all changed last Saturday, because Butler had a fantastic game (including a Pick-6) and worked himself right back into the backup-CB mix. He was probably targeted more than any other Steeler CB against Atlanta, and held his own in terms of coverage. What Crezdon impressed me the most with was his ability to tackle the receivers (9 Tackles), and limit their Y.A.C. all night long. Awesome game aside, Crezdon contributed basically nothing on the field in 2010, and still has much to prove to the Coaching Staff and organization in general. Moreover, he is still facing challenges from the four other backup CBís vying for playing time and a roster spot. This week should be enormous for young Crezdon and his play in practice and the game must be impeccable to say the least. Hopefully he can rise to the occasion and force the Steelers to cut the douchebag that I have listed at #1.

2. Manny Sanders

Word around the grapevine is that Manny Sanders may be able to play tomorrow against the Panthers. This opportunity for him to play, coupled with Cotchery sitting out this week, couldnít come a moment too soon for Manny. Due to his bum foot, Sanders has sat and watched all of training camp and the preseason from the bench while ďYoung MoneyĒ Brown and Cotchery have been tearing up the slot position. If Manny is allowed to play, look for him to really try and earn his spot back in the rotation, because precious playing time is on the line between him and the two aforementioned WRís. Hopefully Manny can get himself healthy, and back in the mix so the Steelers will have themselves three fantastic options for the slot position come opening day. Iím looking for Manny to come out like a bat out of hell if he does indeed play this week, because his playing time and possible future with the team depends on his ability to stay healthy.

1. William Gay

While I will be watching William Gay closely, it doesnít mean I canít cover my eyes at times to avoid having to sit through replays of him getting tooled either in coverage or him attempting to tackle like a 10 year old on a consistent basis. Gay will have the heat on him tomorrow after the other CBís have decided to step up their games over the last few weeks. Despite the fact that I think Gay will remain on the roster, Iím honestly shocked and appalled that he has lasted this long in Pittsburgh. I guess the Coaching Staff is content enough with his ďinconsistent at bestĒ play. The only thing working in Gayís favor in terms of him sticking around is his experience in Dick ďFather TimeĒ Lebeauís Defense. Yet I must ask, ďWhat good is experience if a guy has played in a system for four seasons, yet has shown time and time again throughout his career that he will be nothing above a below average Dime back?Ē Gay is probably the worst tackler of the CB bunch, but thatís an aspect of his game that I can live with. I mean not many CBís in the league are as solid tacklers as Ike and B-Mac, let alone decent tacklers in general. What makes my bowels void and brain want to explode is that over the last two seasons Gay has been constantly harassed by TEís and solid 3rd and 4th receiving options that continuously hand him his lunch week after week. If Iím an O.C. on a team that has a solid O-Line, Iím abandoning the run immediately, forcing the Steelers into their Nickel and Dime packages, and having my QB target the guys Gay is responsible for covering close to 20 times.

If you canít already tell, I think the Steelers should at least consider cutting ties with William, and think about giving the young guys a shot if the Coaching Staff feels that they are worthy. Honestly, Gay has played four seasons in the league, has likely reached his ceiling in terms of talent, and heís still a liability. Also, just leaving the young guys to rot on the bench will do them and the team as a whole no good if they can do at least a comparable job to Gay. I personally donít feel that they could do any worse of a job. Plus who knows? Maybe throwing them in the fire will make them respond. But as of right now the Nickel role is still Gayís, and he will probably enter the season as the 3rd CB on the depth chart because of his experience that purportedly puts him leaps and bounds ahead of the other guys. So instead of complaining more, Iíll just look at this situation as a positive. If Gay ends up turning it around, great! If he doesnít, maybe the Coaching Staff will be willing to get that new blood into the game and Gay will be gone come 2012 and the Steelers D can combat 4 WR sets better with some of their other CBís.

Final Thoughts

Well that wraps up my list. With Final Cuts being made on Saturday it will be a fight to the finish for many who have poured their blood, sweat, and tears into trying to be a part of the 2011 Pittsburgh Steelers over the last month/month and a half. Hereís hoping the Steelers can finish strong against Carolina and take the positive success of three straight preseason victories into The Charm City and kick some tail. Go Steelers!

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mizzouristeeler
08-31-2011, 11:52 AM
William is gay

Fire Arians
08-31-2011, 11:53 AM
i hope butler makes the team, he's got a lot of potential

steelfury02
08-31-2011, 12:15 PM
Don't worry - Gay will mentor them and show them what NOT to do. "Hey guys - this is how you give up a hook, this is how you give up a slant, this is how you give up a curl and then...just listen to this...if you get lucky your number will come up for a CB blitz and they'll forget about your 10 yard cushions and getting burned by rookie tight ends."

steelfury02
08-31-2011, 12:17 PM
If I had a choice for halloween I'd dress up as Gronkowski with a torch and a William Gay jersey on it instead of a tattered rag - same thing right?

Fire Arians
08-31-2011, 01:11 PM
Don't worry - Gay will mentor them and show them what NOT to do. "Hey guys - this is how you give up a hook, this is how you give up a slant, this is how you give up a curl and then...just listen to this...if you get lucky your number will come up for a CB blitz and they'll forget about your 10 yard cushions and getting burned by rookie tight ends."

"hey crez, this is how you run a 4.6 in the 40"

:chuckle:

SteeleReign
08-31-2011, 01:12 PM
I don't understand why everyone continues to pencil in McFadden. IMO he was a liability last year & should consider a move to safety due to his size & tackling ability.

I'd add Keenan Lewis to this list. If he is able to play Thurday he could make a case to leap over Gay & possibly McFadden..neither of which has demonstrated much ability to cover the field.

But, I imagine it will be the usual for a portion of the season...probably up to week 8 when Marcia Brady makes Gay & McFadden look like Jan & Cindy. Maybe then, we'll see some changes in the secondary.

Rick5895
08-31-2011, 01:33 PM
I don't understand why everyone continues to pencil in McFadden. IMO he was a liability last year & should consider a move to safety due to his size & tackling ability.

I'd add Keenan Lewis to this list. If he is able to play Thurday he could make a case to leap over Gay & possibly McFadden..neither of which has demonstrated much ability to cover the field.

But, I imagine it will be the usual for a portion of the season...probably up to week 8 when Marcia Brady makes Gay & McFadden look like Jan & Cindy. Maybe then, we'll see some changes in the secondary.

McFadden might just make a very good safety.

Rick5895
08-31-2011, 01:36 PM
I would like to see Cortez Allen play, I think he has too much raw ability to take a chance on cutting and trying to get through waivers to the practice squad. In the final cuts i would rather keep him than Warren.

SteeleReign
08-31-2011, 01:39 PM
McFadden might just make a very good safety.

He's got the toughness to play the spot. I just don't think he has the speed to cover the receivers anymore.

Rick5895
08-31-2011, 01:43 PM
He's got the toughness to play the spot. I just don't think he has the speed to cover the receivers anymore.

YOu can do with less speed at Safety.

SteeleReign
08-31-2011, 01:46 PM
YOu can do with less speed at Safety.

Exactly. I meant that he doesn't have the speed to play corner. In any case, the team has quite a few exciting possibilities - I just pray that a couple of them pan out. Soon.

Kingmagyar
08-31-2011, 11:26 PM
5 I'm looking forward to seeing:

#65 Marcus Gilbert -still want to see him develop and become the starter at left tackle
#66 Tony Hills -I think he will be the starter at Right Guard.
#31 Macho Harris - the team kept him around another week so we should see something from him?
#39 Cortez Allen -we at least get to see him on the field. Is he a fish out of water?
#23 Keenan Lewis -just when he was showing something he injured his knee. Plays some tight coverage.

I'll keep my eye on TE Wesyle Saunders, CB Crezdon Butler, and CB Curtis Brown as well.

BKAnthem
09-01-2011, 02:42 AM
this guy is soooo right on with Gay.....i don' get some of the homer love this guy gets on this board

sharkweek
09-01-2011, 03:22 AM
this guy is soooo right on with Gay.....i don' get some of the homer love this guy gets on this board

he does? maybe I'm missing all the posts/threads but for the most part I'm pretty sure he is easily the most unfavored Steeler (at least on defense)

BKAnthem
09-01-2011, 10:14 AM
he does? maybe I'm missing all the posts/threads but for the most part I'm pretty sure he is easily the most unfavored Steeler (at least on defense)

yeah, there are some on this board that think there is no problem with the secondary and Gay isn't that bad....it's mind numbing

SteeleReign
09-01-2011, 12:00 PM
yeah, there are some on this board that think there is no problem with the secondary and Gay isn't that bad....it's mind numbing

Yep. The argument is "they got to the Superbowl with him!" No. They got to the Superbowl in spite of him.

But, there is promise on the horizon with the young bucks. :thumbsup:

Steelersfan87
09-01-2011, 12:11 PM
Gay isn't that bad. The problem is that this forum has no perspective on the quality of the average nickel back in the NFL.

Fire Arians
09-01-2011, 12:31 PM
Gay isn't that bad. The problem is that this forum has no perspective on the quality of the average nickel back in the NFL.

i had no problem until i've seen him get burnt on an out pattern by a TE. seriously that should never happen to a CB. I could understand getting beat by the TE's size and body control but not speed, unless you're a linebacker.

william gay is both undersized and slow. i don't understand why lebeau isn't pushing for at least lewis or butler to take his place. at least they have the physical tools to succeed in the NFL. gay doesn't.

SteeleReign
09-01-2011, 12:32 PM
Gay isn't that bad. The problem is that this forum has no perspective on the quality of the average nickel back in the NFL.

Really? Enlighten us Obi-wan.

Steelersfan87
09-01-2011, 01:19 PM
Just look at other rosters, genius. You probably couldn't even name half a dozen other nickel backs in the league without looking them up.

SteeleReign
09-01-2011, 02:05 PM
I'd have no problem naming more than a dozen, but that's beside the point.

What exactly do other team's nickel backs have to do with the Steelers? Gay was awful last year & if he plays the way he did last season, we will be playing in a lot of shootouts.

55BaileyFan
09-01-2011, 02:13 PM
http://steelerfreakmov.blogspot.com/2011/09/panthers-preview.html

Steelersfan87
09-01-2011, 05:13 PM
I'd have no problem naming more than a dozen, but that's beside the point.

What exactly do other team's nickel backs have to do with the Steelers? Gay was awful last year & if he plays the way he did last season, we will be playing in a lot of shootouts.

The point is that, for the nickel back position, on average he was not awful. He was pretty average. The only really bad game that he had was the Patriots game.

BKAnthem
09-01-2011, 06:06 PM
this guy is soooo right on with Gay.....i don' get some of the homer love this guy gets on this board

he does? maybe I'm missing all the posts/threads but for the most part I'm pretty sure he is easily the most unfavored Steeler (at least on defense)

And as if on cue


Gay isn't that bad. The problem is that this forum has no perspective on the quality of the average nickel back in the NFL.

:noidea:

Steelersfan87
09-02-2011, 11:01 AM
It would help your case if you ever knew what you were talking about.

ricardisimo
09-02-2011, 01:21 PM
this guy is soooo right on with Gay.....i don' get some of the homer love this guy gets on this board
William Gay gets homer love on this board? :doh:

Look, I don't even like Gay. I think he had his shot at a starting job and blew it. And the "Big Play William Gay" moniker unfortunately works in both directions. Still, he's experienced with the system, he's a decent tackler (once you remove the Adrian Peterson highlight from his game film), and he's certainly better than Bryant McFadden. On top of that, he makes just enough positive splash plays here and there that you'd think people would cut him some slack until we find permanent solutions.

To me it seems obvious: Keenan Lewis should be starting at RCB across from Ike until someone else shows something, and Gay should play nickel and provide depth until we see what we've got. I don't get the need to always call for Gay's head, especially after what seemed to me to be two-and-a-half solid preseason games on his part.

It's just bizarre. I joke about it, but I'm really starting to think it's as simple as his last name being Gay. You all hate Gay people. Or maybe it's because he's black. :noidea:

Steelersfan87
09-02-2011, 04:39 PM
William Gay is better than (a healthy) Bryant McFadden? I don't think so. He deflects a few more passes, but at least McFadden gets the pick every so often. I would like McFadden well enough in the nickel role over Gay if Keenan Lewis could finally step up, although the price tag would unfortunately be pretty costly for a nickel back, meaning if he's not starting any more, he'll be off the roster next season. And by next season he would probably be gone anyway (along with Gay) after some of the younger guys garner some trust and learn the system.

ricardisimo
09-03-2011, 03:00 PM
William Gay is better than (a healthy) Bryant McFadden? I don't think so. He deflects a few more passes, but at least McFadden gets the pick every so often. I would like McFadden well enough in the nickel role over Gay if Keenan Lewis could finally step up, although the price tag would unfortunately be pretty costly for a nickel back, meaning if he's not starting any more, he'll be off the roster next season. And by next season he would probably be gone anyway (along with Gay) after some of the younger guys garner some trust and learn the system.
It's not as though McFadden has a couple dozen pick-6s to make up for his other deficiencies, and it's not as though it's a minor thing that Gay "deflects a few more passes". Over the past two years, McFadden has a grand total of two INTs. That's our starting right corner. Meanwhile our nickelback has nearly identical numbers for passes defensed, sacks and forced fumbles. McFadden's tackles are significantly higher for two obvious reasons: everyone catches the ball on him, and he's the starter.

Look, I really don't want to be forced repeatedly into the position of defending William Gay. He's mediocre. He's also staying put until we have a sure thing developed behind Ike and whoever starts opposite him. It's not the end of the world.

pancake
09-03-2011, 03:30 PM
I wonder if Lewis will get the starting job opposite of Ike for week 1?

DanRooney
09-03-2011, 03:43 PM
It's not as though McFadden has a couple dozen pick-6s to make up for his other deficiencies, and it's not as though it's a minor thing that Gay "deflects a few more passes". Over the past two years, McFadden has a grand total of two INTs. That's our starting right corner. Meanwhile our nickelback has nearly identical numbers for passes defensed, sacks and forced fumbles. McFadden's tackles are significantly higher for two obvious reasons: everyone catches the ball on him, and he's the starter.

Look, I really don't want to be forced repeatedly into the position of defending William Gay. He's mediocre. He's also staying put until we have a sure thing developed behind Ike and whoever starts opposite him. It's not the end of the world.

Neither are any good. Gay is targeted so many times a game it's no wonder why he has the number of pass deflections that he has. We easily could have lost the AFC divisional round where he left Hous WIDE open on a 4th and 18.

Give Lewis a shot at lining up wide and put Brown/Butler in the nickel spot. It angers me so much that we're using the same two starting corners since 2005 and the same terrible nickel since 2007. Both of them can be easily upgraded/replaced.

Fire Arians
09-03-2011, 03:57 PM
I'm thinking curtis brown will work himself into the nickel over the course of the year. william gay did during his rookie season so why can't brown? brown has twice the talent that gay does so i think it's likely

ricardisimo
09-03-2011, 04:29 PM
Neither are any good. Gay is targeted so many times a game it's no wonder why he has the number of pass deflections that he has. We easily could have lost the AFC divisional round where he left Hous WIDE open on a 4th and 18.

Give Lewis a shot at lining up wide and put Brown/Butler in the nickel spot. It angers me so much that we're using the same two starting corners since 2005 and the same terrible nickel since 2007. Both of them can be easily upgraded/replaced.
Exactly. Neither should be starters, but one of them is (even though he's hurt) and not only is he a starter, but he gets a pass from everyone on this site. It's inexplicable. :noidea: