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DanRooney
08-31-2011, 11:03 PM
Looks like Lebeau is starting to give Sylvester some reps at outside linebacker; likely because of James Harrison's lingering back issues. Odd. I mean don't we have Jason 'the destroyer of' Worilds as his primary backup? A linebacker that can "rush like no other."

So let me get this straight. We've attempted to bring back Thaddeus Gibson and giving Farrior's stud successor reps on the outside when we know Timmons is well capable of being an emergency OLB himself; especially since Foote is still on the roster. Yet Tony Stark and Ricardo still think bringing Gibson was just a move for (hold your laughter) veteran depth and nothing to do with Worilds failing to impress Keith Butler? Certainly he couldn't be stinking it up as shown in a video I posted in another thread. Apparently you guys have trouble connecting the dots when it's right in front of you. I'll wait for the hilarity to ensue.

:applaudit:

BKAnthem
08-31-2011, 11:48 PM
I thought criticizing any thing this team and FO does was off limits on this board?

dreegking
08-31-2011, 11:50 PM
Your hate on is going strong.

Why don't you also start a thread to say how Ward is holding the offense back from superstardom?

sbbound
09-01-2011, 12:01 AM
I just addressed this in another thread but here goes..

The Steelers never wanted to release Gibson. They had to because they needed to make room for an extra D-Lineman for a game. The hope was that Gibson cleared waivers and could be brought back in because they liked him so much. Them trying to bring him in again isn't a surprise when you think about how the front office felt about this guy. The Steelers have no "experienced" depth beyond Foote at linebacker. Worilds is a second year linebacker still learning the ropes, just like Gibson would be doing if he were still here. Sylvester showed great promise last year, why wouldn't you let him show what he can do? You're making this about Worilds being bad, but you have no idea if he is or not because he hasn't had time to develop. Not everyone makes an instant impact like Woodley. It took James Harrison how long to reach his potential?

Steelersfan87
09-01-2011, 12:37 AM
Of course this move has nothing to do with Chris Carter getting injured or the fact that he played outside already last year.

DanRooney
09-01-2011, 01:03 AM
I just addressed this in another thread but here goes..

The Steelers never wanted to release Gibson. They had to because they needed to make room for an extra D-Lineman for a game. The hope was that Gibson cleared waivers and could be brought back in because they liked him so much. Them trying to bring him in again isn't a surprise when you think about how the front office felt about this guy. The Steelers have no "experienced" depth beyond Foote at linebacker. Worilds is a second year linebacker still learning the ropes, just like Gibson would be doing if he were still here. Sylvester showed great promise last year, why wouldn't you let him show what he can do? You're making this about Worilds being bad, but you have no idea if he is or not because he hasn't had time to develop. Not everyone makes an instant impact like Woodley. It took James Harrison how long to reach his potential?

:thumbsup:

:drink:

DanRooney
09-01-2011, 01:04 AM
Your hate on is going strong.

Why don't you also start a thread to say how Ward is holding the offense back from superstardom?

Don't tempt me :chuckle:

effyou515
09-01-2011, 01:21 AM
Its preseason I would try anything once.

tony hipchest
09-01-2011, 01:33 AM
:point:

:thumbsup:

:drink:hey smiley guy, i'll tempt you.

i thought i politely warned you yesterday.

you failed so miserably and got owned in your very own thread (classic case of solo-ownage), you had to start another thread on the exact same topic, for the sole purpose of flaming a moderator and another member? :headshake:

ultimate fail. perhaps a vacation for the last pre-season game and opening game will cool your ass off.

i think i'll let you linger for just a bit to see if you can top your stupidity and earn a permanent ban. im sure you wont let us down.

hows that?

:thumbsup:

(now everybody point and laugh while the hilarity ensues) :applaudit:

DanRooney
09-01-2011, 01:43 AM
:point:

hey smiley guy, i'll tempt you.

i thought i politely warned you yesterday.

you failed so miserably and got owned in your very own thread (classic case of solo-ownage), you had to start another thread on the exact same topic, for the sole purpose of flaming a moderator and another member? :headshake:

ultimate fail. perhaps a vacation for the last pre-season game and opening game will cool your ass off.

i think i'll let you linger for just a bit to see if you can top your stupidity and earn a permanent ban. im sure you wont let us down.

hows that?

:thumbsup:

(now everybody point and laugh while the hilarity ensues) :applaudit:

Haha is this your argument to why Sylvester is being tried at OLB ? :chuckle: Did you completely ignore everything because you have no argument and you were pretty much proven wrong in your last attempt to belittle someone (or whatever you were trying to do)? Is your pride a little hurt?

So pretty much I said Gibson should have been kept because Worilds has been playing poorly and you call me an idiot for that. I throw something back at you and your threatening to ban. Anyone else catching on to this? I have no problem with you disagreeing with anything I say. But you starting the namecalling is pretty low, especially for a mod on a forum. Maybe you should try disagreeing using football facts. I don't see pete around here parading around in your jackass demeanor.

:hatsoff:

tony hipchest
09-01-2011, 02:01 AM
Haha is this your argument to why Sylvester is being tried at OLB ? :chuckle: Did you completely ignore everything because you have no argument and you were pretty much proven wrong in your last attempt to belittle someone (or whatever you were trying to do)? Is your pride a little hurt?

So pretty much I said Gibson should have been kept because Worilds has been playing poorly and you call me an idiot for that. I throw something back at you and your threatening to ban. Anyone else catching on to this? I have no problem with you disagreeing with anything I say. But you starting the namecalling is pretty low, especially for a mod on a forum. Maybe you should try disagreeing using football facts. I don't see pete around here parading around in your jackass demeanor.

:hatsoff:i was sure you wouldnt fail us as badly as you have failed yourself. :applaudit::tt04:

whats the difference between sly stevenson, jason worilds, and your boy?

(drum roll please)

your boy, gibson, has been cut by two teams. :toofunny:

if you knew anything about the steelers current regime, you would know that they are very high on position flexibility, and will certainly continue to explore what they have in stevenson, just like they did with timmons (who was initially more of an outside guy and is now a $50 million dollar man in the middle).

if your boy were so highly regarded by the steelers it woulda been one of the other lb's cut such as the supposed bus worilds, old man foote, or 5th round stevenson.

as it stands, your boy was the last on the 53 man totem pole deemed the most dispensable and easilly replaecable.

youre not too in tune to how the front office and coaching staffs work, now are you.

DanRooney
09-01-2011, 02:14 AM
i was sure you wouldnt fail us as badly as you have failed yourself. :applaudit::tt04:

whats the difference between sly stevenson, jason worilds, and your boy?

(drum roll please)

your boy, gibson, has been cut by two teams. :toofunny:

if you knew anything about the steelers current regime, you would know that they are very high on position flexibility, and will certainly continue to explore what they have in stevenson, just like they did with timmons (who was initially more of an outside guy and is now a $50 million dollar man in the middle).

if your boy were so highly regarded by the steelers it woulda been one of the other lb's cut such as the supposed bus worilds, old man foote, or 5th round stevenson.

as it stands, your boy was the last on the 53 man totem pole deemed the most dispensable and easilly replaecable.

youre not too in tune to how the front office and coaching staffs work, now are you.

First of all, Sylvester had a year under his belt and continues to show flashes of brilliance. He wasn't in the equation of getting cut.

Gibson wasn't cut due to poor play. You make it seem like he played horrible in the preseason (like Worilds is doing now), so Tomlin said "peace bro." He made the 53 man roster but because of the questionable decision to keep Smith on the roster after tearing his tricep midseason, we had to get add a D-Lineman. You under no circumstance get rid of your 2nd round pick in their first year of playing. Hell, Sweed was held onto for 5 years and was as bad as you can be. That's why Gibson was the odd man out, but they had every intention of sneaking him back onto the practice squad.

tony hipchest
09-01-2011, 02:29 AM
im sure they woulda liked to sneak him in onto the practice squad.

that is no excuse for you to be crying over spilt milk so loudly.

"we're talkin about practice [squad], man....

practice [squad]"

as it stands, thad was free to the world and only 3 of the 32 teams showed any interest. 2 of the teams were in the championship games last year and faced the longest odds of even landing him if there were even marginal interest in him.

he was cut twice and 29 teams said "no thanks". he's only getting a shot with washington because he knows the position coach.

dont feel bad. even the patriots gave bruce davis a shot before they realized why the steelers let him loose. if your boy thad is good enough to land on the redskins 53 man roster i will gladly give you a :thumbsup: and a :cookie: when you return from your temp ban. :hatsoff:

BKAnthem
09-01-2011, 03:28 AM
im sure they woulda liked to sneak him in onto the practice squad.

that is no excuse for you to be crying over spilt milk so loudly.

"we're talkin about practice [squad], man....

practice [squad]"

as it stands, thad was free to the world and only 3 of the 32 teams showed any interest. 2 of the teams were in the championship games last year and faced the longest odds of even landing him if there were even marginal interest in him.

he was cut twice and 29 teams said "no thanks". he's only getting a shot with washington because he knows the position coach.

dont feel bad. even the patriots gave bruce davis a shot before they realized why the steelers let him loose. if your boy thad is good enough to land on the redskins 53 man roster i will gladly give you a :thumbsup: and a :cookie: when you return from your temp ban. :hatsoff:

your gonna have dude banned for continuing to disagree with a FO/Coaching staff decision?? really?

Steelersfan87
09-01-2011, 04:22 AM
First of all, Sylvester had a year under his belt and continues to show flashes of brilliance. He wasn't in the equation of getting cut.

Gibson wasn't cut due to poor play. You make it seem like he played horrible in the preseason (like Worilds is doing now), so Tomlin said "peace bro." He made the 53 man roster but because of the questionable decision to keep Smith on the roster after tearing his tricep midseason, we had to get add a D-Lineman. You under no circumstance get rid of your 2nd round pick in their first year of playing. Hell, Sweed was held onto for 5 years and was as bad as you can be. That's why Gibson was the odd man out, but they had every intention of sneaking him back onto the practice squad.

Sylvester was in the same draft class as Worilds and Sylvester...he didn't have a year under his belt. In fact, Sylvester was the low man on the totem pole in the preseason and beat out Bailey for a roster spot, as Tomlin said yesterday.

Worilds played well against the Falcons. Maybe you should watch that game again the next time you get an opportunity. He played much better than he did in the first two preseason games. He also played well last year. I also don't care whether or not you liked the pick. The facts, as they stand right now, are that he played well in his rookie season, and the most recent film of him, namely the Falcons game, is good. Worilds "merely" being a 2nd round pick is not why Gibson was cut to make room for McClendon instead of Worilds. He was cut because he was the 9th LB on the depth chart, and he was the 9th LB on the depth chart because he was behind in terms of practice because he wasn't academically eligible to practice until later on, and therefore never even saw the active list. If that were not the case, it is most likely that Sylvester would have been cut, not Worilds. Sylvester was the 5th ILB and was also the latest round draft pick. But they figured that they could play Sylvester on the outside and he had already proved that he could play special teams, while Gibson hadn't even gotten a chance to be on the active roster (and most likely wouldn't have at all for the entire season barring injuries).

Also, Sweed was only entering his 4th season.

Fortunately, I completely agree with you about Gibson and everything else. Those who claim that Gibson was cut for any reason other than the fact that he was a casualty of the loyalty the team had for Aaron Smith and the fact that he was a luxury roster spot (a 9th LB that would never be active) is simply ignorant, and citing the fact that he was cut by two teams (one of those teams being the Steelers, the very same team that put in a waiver for him because they never wanted to get rid of him in the first place) as a justification for criticizing his playing abilities is foolish. The 49ers cut Gibson because they are under a new regime and they drafted an outside linebacker in the first round, in addition to bringing in other OLBs in free agency. They had no loyalty to him, nor any experience of his abilities. Saying that 29 teams didn't put in a waiver on him means anything is also ridiculous. The fact that 3 teams put in a waiver for him means more than that 29 teams did not.

The reason that Gibson was behind the other LBs in his draft class was due to his academic standing due to coming out of the Ohio State program. It was probably understood that he would not play barring injuries in his first season due to the fact that he would have a minimal offseason as a result of his academic obligations. The reason that they put him on the 53 man roster, however, is because they feared losing him to waivers, so they elected not to try to sneak him on to the practice squad. Obviously this turned out to be a good idea, since he was later snatched up off of waivers. However, once the season started and the reality of carrying a luxury roster spot showed its head once it was necessary to fulfill a need at another position, the Steelers had to bite the bullet and cut the player that they knew would not contribute to the team in 2010. And this is, again, why he was cut, because he wasn't going to contribute in that year. Not because he was the worst linebacker on the team.

Of course, the ramifications of cutting Gibson instead of putting Smith on IR after Keisel suffered his injury are still felt. Obviously the Steelers lost a player that they were high on, otherwise they would not have attempted to get him back. More importantly, however, with the absence of Gibson, the team was forced to use a 5th round pick in the 2011 draft to draft Gibson's de facto replacement in the form of Chris Carter, after the team decided to allow Keyaron Fox to walk and that Sylvester would assume ILB responsibilities again.

The fact that they are using Sylvester on the outside, however, does not necessarily insinuate that the team is unhappy with Worilds. More likely, the team is more comfortable with Sylvester on the outside than Chris Carter because Sylvester has already been in the system for a year (without a shortened offseason) and has already shown potential to play outside. And in addition, of course, Carter is currently down with a hamstring injury. This is an intelligent move on the team's part to work Slyvester on the outside as well as the inside because 1) Larry Foote is the first ILB to come into the game anyway, 2) the team does not intend to carry 9 LBs this year, and 3) player versatility adds yet another level of insurance for the team should injuries become a factor (like it already has with Carter).

theplatypus
09-01-2011, 06:48 AM
your gonna have dude banned for continuing to disagree with a FO/Coaching staff decision?? really?

He wasn't banned, it's just a little vacation and it was for being a tool not disagreeing with the FO.

SteeleReign
09-01-2011, 07:58 AM
Looks like Lebeau is starting to give Sylvester some reps at outside linebacker; likely because of James Harrison's lingering back issues. Odd. I mean don't we have Jason 'the destroyer of' Worilds as his primary backup? A linebacker that can "rush like no other."

So let me get this straight. We've attempted to bring back Thaddeus Gibson and giving Farrior's stud successor reps on the outside when we know Timmons is well capable of being an emergency OLB himself; especially since Foote is still on the roster. Yet Tony Stark and Ricardo still think bringing Gibson was just a move for (hold your laughter) veteran depth and nothing to do with Worilds failing to impress Keith Butler? Certainly he couldn't be stinking it up as shown in a video I posted in another thread. Apparently you guys have trouble connecting the dots when it's right in front of you. I'll wait for the hilarity to ensue.

:applaudit:

Maybe it's because Worilds is Harrison's primary backup & they don't want him hurt. Or maybe it's because Worilds & Sylvester are seen as equals right now & they are giving the latter a chance to earn the spot. Or maybe they know what Worilds can do & want to see what Sylvester can do against #1 o-linemen.

Point is...you are taking a big leap in your assumption. It's a possibility that you're right, but it's just as likely you are wrong.

Steelers>NFL
09-01-2011, 08:28 AM
Nice problem having too many good LBers on the team. Brings up lots of posts and arguments.
Love it...

steelfury02
09-01-2011, 08:49 AM
IMHO some are drinking too much ESPN kool-aid. We can still win at Bmore with a 75% James Harrison

steelfury02
09-01-2011, 08:50 AM
Why aren't we more excited about getting a rusty P.Manning and Arian Foster in back to back weeks?!? Not like the running game ever scares me lol

tunes4life
09-01-2011, 08:51 AM
The hate is strong in this one.......................:helmet:

PhantomJB93
09-01-2011, 11:04 AM
So you acknowledge that it's ludicrous to toss out a second round pick in their first season even if they're not playing well, yet think it's perfectly okay to rule them a bust before their second season has technically even started and they had a ludicrously short training camp to hone their skills?

Jason Worilds will be fine, and will be a better OLB (in time) than Thaddeus Gibson will ever dream to be.

BKAnthem
09-01-2011, 11:10 AM
He wasn't banned, it's just a little vacation and it was for being a tool not disagreeing with the FO.

isn't that his right as an American though? it's not like he was posting porn or spamming from another site....being annoying is candidate for banning, or a temp vacation as you put it??...that dude is some bullshit....no one has a problem with this? i guess you can do what you want but if dude isn't happy about something he should have the right to air it out...you don't like it don't click on his thread...i don't know if i can be part of a board that just puts people on "vacation" because they don't like the person....that is soo wack....we should be able to express differing points of view or else this is just a homer board and no one truly has a "forum" to air out their feelings....This is a dangerous slope

BKAnthem
09-01-2011, 11:12 AM
So you acknowledge that it's ludicrous to toss out a second round pick in their first season even if they're not playing well, yet think it's perfectly okay to rule them a bust before their second season has technically even started and they had a ludicrously short training camp to hone their skills?

Jason Worilds will be fine, and will be a better OLB (in time) than Thaddeus Gibson will ever dream to be.

That's way to soon to determine...Thaddeus is caught up in a numbers game that doesn't work out in his favor ...not that he lacks ability..Worilds is ok, but he's not "lighting it up"

Wallabeast17
09-01-2011, 12:21 PM
isn't that his right as an American though? it's not like he was posting porn or spamming from another site....being annoying is candidate for banning, or a temp vacation as you put it??...that dude is some bullshit....no one has a problem with this? i guess you can do what you want but if dude isn't happy about something he should have the right to air it out...you don't like it don't click on his thread...i don't know if i can be part of a board that just puts people on "vacation" because they don't like the person....that is soo wack....we should be able to express differing points of view or else this is just a homer board and no one truly has a "forum" to air out their feelings....This is a dangerous slope

Yea it seems like an abuse of power to me but then again danrooney does start it. :noidea: However we have rights as Americans and just because we are on the internet doesn't mean we can't say what we want. After all thats what it was created for as well as this forums..To talk to other fans and share their opions and all he was doing was stating (mind you over and over) that ward and other veterans are stunting or young players growth so to speak and that he believes that Worlids isn't showing much. Well i do agree with him at some points I disagree at others. Either way he was not doing anything wrong and this was the result of abuseing of power! Just my opion. :noidea:

DanRooney
09-01-2011, 12:29 PM
Yea it seems like an abuse of power to me but then again danrooney does start it. :noidea: However we have rights as Americans and just because we are on the internet doesn't mean we can't say what we want. After all thats what it was created for as well as this forums..To talk to other fans and share their opions and all he was doing was stating (mind you over and over) that ward and other veterans are stunting or young players growth so to speak and that he believes that Worlids isn't showing much. Well i do agree with him at some points I disagree at others. Either way he was not doing anything wrong and this was the result of abuseing of power! Just my opion. :noidea:

I really started it? I stated my opinion about Worilds underperforming and he comes out calling me an idiot.
http://forums.steelersfever.com/showthread.php?t=75850

I then tried to be civil about it multiple times as you can see and then I just got fed up with immature posts like"even the dumbest donkey can grasp at straw if they are hungry enough" and "you're losing. I'm winning." What does that have to with anything? I'm trying to talk about football. Not get caught up in a 5th grade argument and namecalling.

I digress. I'll take the higher road and quit taking his bait.

Wallabeast17
09-01-2011, 12:32 PM
Did I really start it? I stated my opinion about Worilds underperforming and he comes out calling me an idiot.
http://forums.steelersfever.com/showthread.php?t=75850

I then tried to be civil about it multiple times as you can see and then I just got fed up with immature posts like "you're losing. I'm winning." What does that have to with anything? I'm trying to talk about football. Not get caught up in a 5th grade argument and namecalling.

I will give you that..
Bu whatever we think I still believe its abuse of power if you or anyone would get temp or perma banned for stating your opion, even if people don't agree. That's why we are all here, to see what each other has to say and voice or opions.

tony hipchest
09-01-2011, 03:47 PM
your gonna have dude banned for continuing to disagree with a FO/Coaching staff decision?? really?

do you got rocks inside your skull? do you only read the individual posts you respond to? being thats the case you might actually wanna read post #9 before you go spouting off.

i dont owe you an explanation, but i will gladly point you to one. of course members can disagree, but when one starts starting repeat duplicate threads (for the sole purpose of flaming) of arguments already going on. they are in violation of the COC.

plus when a member talks to a moderater in this fashion, they are lucky if they only get a temporary internet ban, when in real life they woulda likely got knocked the **** out-

Answer this Tony (or your buttbuddy Ricardo), why would the Steelers put a claim to a guy that was kicked to the curb? .

Yeah obviously Thaddeus Gibson is a James Harrison clone. Are you ****ing retarded?.

Yeah great post that has nothing to do with anything. Shitty moderator who brings no substance to the site.?



. Maybe you should try disagreeing using football facts. I don't see pete around here parading around in your jackass demeanor.

:hatsoff:

tony hipchest
09-01-2011, 03:57 PM
I will give you that..
Bu whatever we think I still believe its abuse of power if you or anyone would get temp or perma banned for stating your opion, even if people don't agree. That's why we are all here, to see what each other has to say and voice or opions.maybe you wanna re-familiarize yourself with the COC and not misrepresent the situation going on and then you will be more equipped when you chime in.

-no repeated personal attacks
-no starting repeat or duplicate threads with the same content
-no flaming

they are very simple rules (that a mod must use their "power" to enforce) and for the most part everybody abides by them.

especially when given multiple opportunities to correct their behavior and being politely asked/warned/told to do so.

if someone were calling you (or any of our members) a retard, shitty, jackass, or buttbuddy, they woulda been dealt with immediately with a ban.

he's just lucky i have thick skin and could care less what he thinks of me.

my patience as mod is long. his leash is short. infact its like a noose he's about to hang himself with.

theplatypus
09-01-2011, 04:43 PM
isn't that his right as an American though? it's not like he was posting porn or spamming from another site....being annoying is candidate for banning, or a temp vacation as you put it??...that dude is some bullshit....no one has a problem with this? i guess you can do what you want but if dude isn't happy about something he should have the right to air it out...you don't like it don't click on his thread...i don't know if i can be part of a board that just puts people on "vacation" because they don't like the person....that is soo wack....we should be able to express differing points of view or else this is just a homer board and no one truly has a "forum" to air out their feelings....This is a dangerous slope

Yea it seems like an abuse of power to me but then again danrooney does start it. :noidea: However we have rights as Americans and just because we are on the internet doesn't mean we can't say what we want. After all thats what it was created for as well as this forums..To talk to other fans and share their opions and all he was doing was stating (mind you over and over) that ward and other veterans are stunting or young players growth so to speak and that he believes that Worlids isn't showing much. Well i do agree with him at some points I disagree at others. Either way he was not doing anything wrong and this was the result of abuseing of power! Just my opion. :noidea:

You two win a a great big giant face palm.

MasterOfPuppets
09-01-2011, 05:41 PM
You two win a a great big giant face palm.
http://sluggisher.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/godzilla-facepalm-godzilla-facepalm-face-palm-epic-fail-demotivational-poster-1245384435.jpg