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Wallabeast17
09-08-2011, 10:45 AM
Keenan Lewis comes in...so they like him more then Gay?..Will we see more Lewis in the Nickel? Or do they want to keep Gay there full time..?

http://twitter.com/#!/SteelersDigest/statuses/111109581043802112

PhantomJB93
09-08-2011, 11:01 AM
Is it wrong for me to actually hope Bmac gets hurt now?

Rick5895
09-08-2011, 11:34 AM
Keenan Lewis comes in...so they like him more then Gay?..Will we see more Lewis in the Nickel? Or do they want to keep Gay there full time..?

http://twitter.com/#!/SteelersDigest/statuses/111109581043802112

I think they like Gay in the nickel package, and I don't think that changes if BMAC goes down. Lewis would likely be brought in but if he's not %100, I could see Brown there.

Fire Arians
09-08-2011, 11:59 AM
lewis' skillset is more geared toward an outside corner more so than a nickel

OX1947
09-08-2011, 01:06 PM
The weak spot for the Steelers secondary is not who replaces an injured corner. It's when accurate QB's spread them out, neutralizing our linebackers.

Fire Arians
09-08-2011, 01:49 PM
The weak spot for the Steelers secondary is not who replaces an injured corner. It's when accurate QB's spread them out, neutralizing our linebackers.

hopefully won't be as much of a weakness this year, having more corners who are ready to play. Lewis has proved he can at least be a capable backup or #2

ricardisimo
09-08-2011, 02:09 PM
Both starting corners would need to go down for Gay to move outside for anything more than a breather here or there.

Tomlin made clear just yesterday that he liked Gay's intelligence specifically in slot coverage, and likened him more to a safety than a corner. It's basically a different position he's playing that what Lewis would be doing.

theplatypus
09-08-2011, 03:12 PM
hopefully won't be as much of a weakness this year, having more corners who are ready to play. Lewis has proved he can at least be a capable backup or #2

I wouldn't go appointing Lewis as the savior of defensive backfield any time soon. Apparently he barely made the team this year. It came down to Butler or Lewis and for whatever reason they went with Lewis. I can't remember if that little tidbit came from a Kaboly or Bouchette piece, but it shouldn't be that hard to find.

Fire Arians
09-08-2011, 03:53 PM
I wouldn't go appointing Lewis as the savior of defensive backfield any time soon. Apparently he barely made the team this year. It came down to Butler or Lewis and for whatever reason they went with Lewis. I can't remember if that little tidbit came from a Kaboly or Bouchette piece, but it shouldn't be that hard to find.

I'm not, I'm just saying he's a lot more ready than last year. If he can just be decent enough, having him as the #4 or #5 db and knowing where he needs to be against a spread attack, then that will make our defense better than they were last year, if that's saying much. Last year we didn't have anyone after gay, and would have to put in a special teamer in there (madison) to cover extra wr's. that lack of depth probably hurt us the most.

it seems like now we have capable corners waiting in the wings, and at the very least if he can give us better defenders against the #3/4 receievers then it'll be a definite upgrade.

theplatypus
09-08-2011, 04:24 PM
I'm not, I'm just saying he's a lot more ready than last year. If he can just be decent enough, having him as the #4 or #5 db and knowing where he needs to be against a spread attack, then that will make our defense better than they were last year, if that's saying much. Last year we didn't have anyone after gay, and would have to put in a special teamer in there (madison) to cover extra wr's. that lack of depth probably hurt us the most.

it seems like now we have capable corners waiting in the wings, and at the very least if he can give us better defenders against the #3/4 receievers then it'll be a definite upgrade.


I'm sure another year under Lewis' belt will help too some extent. However, what I believe will help more than anything is if Mcfadden can stay healthy. People love to rag on him, but forget or refuse too acknowledge that he was among the walking wounded for the whole season. Heck he had to go to the LR in the 1st quarter of the SB.

ricardisimo
09-08-2011, 04:58 PM
I'm sure another year under Lewis' belt will help too some extent. However, what I believe will help more than anything is if Mcfadden can stay healthy. People love to rag on him, but forget or refuse too acknowledge that he was among the walking wounded for the whole season. Heck he had to go to the LR in the 1st quarter of the SB.
He's always been a soft cushion kind of corner that QBs love to target, healthy or not. That's why people rag on him.

tanda10506
09-08-2011, 05:22 PM
I think any of the corners: Lewis, Allen, Brown, would at least do as "good" as Mcfadden. The only one that wouldnt would be Gay. I am hoping Brown plays really well and maybe get the #2 spot. As for teams like the patriots that spread the field on us, I think we need to change our formation. We are a 3-4 team, but for the few teams that try to spread us out, we need to go 3-3-5, 1-5-5, or a more unorthodox coverage type defense.

Fire Arians
09-08-2011, 05:58 PM
I think any of the corners: Lewis, Allen, Brown, would at least do as "good" as Mcfadden. The only one that wouldnt would be Gay. I am hoping Brown plays really well and maybe get the #2 spot. As for teams like the patriots that spread the field on us, I think we need to change our formation. We are a 3-4 team, but for the few teams that try to spread us out, we need to go 3-3-5, 1-5-5, or a more unorthodox coverage type defense.

cortez allen would be the only one i'd worry about if he were playing. he is talented but at this point in time, way too green to not be a liability. curtis brown seems to have the quickness and skillset to already be a good pure cover corner and i can see him being able to step in as an extra db.

agree with the defensive formations, we need to get better at defending a spread offense. remember when belichick used 7 db's to counter the rams' offense? I wish we would try more things like that, I for one am tired watching us get beat every single time we're up against a team led by an elite quarterback

Steeldude
09-09-2011, 03:16 AM
well this is lewis' chance. he better go all out. i don't want to see mcfadden any longer.

DanRooney
09-09-2011, 03:30 AM
well this is lewis' chance. he better go all out. i don't want to see mcfadden any longer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rim2cT1NHyQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSwoQtw_RQ8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBMqk1F2iiE

Just found these on youtube. Just brings back memories of me breaking my dining room glass table lol

Fire Arians
09-09-2011, 04:19 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rim2cT1NHyQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSwoQtw_RQ8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBMqk1F2iiE

Just found these on youtube. Just brings back memories of me breaking my dining room glass table lol

i swear gay looks slower than james farrior in those clips

Steeldude
09-09-2011, 04:51 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rim2cT1NHyQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSwoQtw_RQ8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBMqk1F2iiE

Just found these on youtube. Just brings back memories of me breaking my dining room glass table lol

or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCFoT2gBuUU at the 1:11 mark

i'm not worried about gay as much as mcfadden. gay doesn't start.

Wallabeast17
09-09-2011, 10:07 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rim2cT1NHyQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSwoQtw_RQ8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBMqk1F2iiE

Just found these on youtube. Just brings back memories of me breaking my dining room glass table lol

I'm afraid the Ravens are trying to do what the Pats did to us that game, and that is use there young athletic tight ends, and with Gay most likely being on the coverage it could work for them.. :noidea:

Steeldude
09-09-2011, 10:27 AM
I think any of the corners: Lewis, Allen, Brown, would at least do as "good" as Mcfadden. The only one that wouldnt would be Gay. I am hoping Brown plays really well and maybe get the #2 spot. As for teams like the patriots that spread the field on us, I think we need to change our formation. We are a 3-4 team, but for the few teams that try to spread us out, we need to go 3-3-5, 1-5-5, or a more unorthodox coverage type defense.

if i recall the stats correctly gay is either on par or better than mcfadden in coverage and he is 2 million dollars cheaper.

i like how people bash gay when he is no worse than mcfadden. they both suck. when mcfadden is in there the steelers get burned. when gay is in there the steelers get burned.

Steelersfan87
09-09-2011, 12:52 PM
Maybe it has something to do with the fact that you fail to realize that outside corner and nickel corner are essentially different positions and it's difficult to compare the two. Gay fares very poorly on the outside, much worse than McFadden.

Steeldude
09-09-2011, 04:14 PM
Maybe it has something to do with the fact that you fail to realize that outside corner and nickel corner are essentially different positions and it's difficult to compare the two. Gay fares very poorly on the outside, much worse than McFadden.

the fact is gay played outside CB in 2008 and 2009. so it's not difficult to compare the two.

mcfadden is just as bad as gay, if not worse.

ricardisimo
09-09-2011, 05:05 PM
the fact is gay played outside CB in 2008 and 2009. so it's not difficult to compare the two.

mcfadden is just as bad as gay, if not worse.
But his name is "Gay", and he's got an unusual gait to his stride and narrow hips, and the combination of all of those things makes some of the macho men on these boards uncomfortable, an odd sensation in their loins, confused about their own feelings. Hence the bashing, a desperate attempt at pushing it all away.

That's one theory, anyways. :noidea:

But you're absolutely right. He's no worse than BMac in coverage - might be a smidge better, in fact - is much more economical, and in some of the other facets of his game (blitzing, run-stuffing) he might be our best corner. I still hope that he and McFadden are replaced on the depth chart by next year.

DanRooney
09-09-2011, 05:46 PM
William Gay is not better than McFadden in coverage. That's why he lost his job to him in the first place. He's one of the worst in the league in that regard. McFadden is better than Gay, but not by much.

Steelersfan87
09-09-2011, 06:43 PM
the fact is gay played outside CB in 2008 and 2009. so it's not difficult to compare the two.

mcfadden is just as bad as gay, if not worse.

You do realize that Gay was horrible in 2009, right? Which is why the Steelers brought McFadden back in the first place? Which is why Gay is always the nickel back when there are 3 CBs on the field regardless of who else is there?

Steeldude
09-10-2011, 02:27 AM
You do realize that Gay was horrible in 2009, right? Which is why the Steelers brought McFadden back in the first place? Which is why Gay is always the nickel back when there are 3 CBs on the field regardless of who else is there?

you do realize mcfadden has been average to horrible since he has been here, right? just last year he stunk it up. he sucked really bad in 2009.

in 2009 lebeau admitted he play a very passive defense because polamalu was out. that being said, gay is still not good.

you make it sound like the steelers' coaching staff always put the right people on the field. you do know in 2008 they had mcfadden playing nickel and gay played the #2 slot. gay took the starting job away because he outperformed mcfadden. yes, mcfadden was injured, but he couldn't re-claim his starting spot when he returned.

gay as the #2 and mcfadden as the nickel would be the same as vice versa. two CBs who suck.

Steelersfan87
09-10-2011, 03:06 AM
The only reason that Gay ever played a snap at #2 in 2008 is because McFadden (and Townsend) got injured. He was playing special teams before that. He didn't "take" anything. He was thrust into a starting position while McFadden and Townsend were out, and when McFadden got back, they alternated playing time. We JUST discussed this recently. Why would you even try to rewrite these facts? Gay would not have started a single game in 2008 if McFadden AND Townsend didn't get injured. It had nothing to do with the way McFadden was playing. Yes, Gay managed to play well that year, obviously well enough to make the team think that he could start, making re-signing McFadden something that they could pass over. But they were quite obviously wrong and rectified the situation. Gay even lost HIS job in 2009 to Townsend. McFadden got injured in week 7 against the Bengals and Townsend started the next 3 games until he too got injured. Gay then started the next 4 games (weeks 11-14). Then McFadden got back and started the last 3 games of the regular season and the 3 playoff games.

McFadden is better than Gay. Anybody that thinks otherwise is insane. Where do you even come up with these fabricated 'facts' of yours? Gay "took the starting job away because he outperformed McFadden"? That is complete bullshit. The only reason they alternated time when McFadden got back was because they wanted to work him in slowly and Gay was playing well. And McFadden STILL started anyway when he got back for the rest of the regular season and the entire postseason.

Steeldude
09-10-2011, 03:48 AM
Anybody that thinks otherwise is insane

based on what? mcfadden's inability to consistently cover WRs? sorry, but they are both poor to average CBs. what's even more pathetic is the steelers neglecting the position over the years.

Steelersfan87
09-11-2011, 03:12 AM
You conveniently ignored the fact that you were completely wrong about everything else. :sofunny:

ricardisimo
09-11-2011, 04:31 AM
The Atlanta game from last year was the eyeopener for me. McFadden's entire game plan was letting the guy he was covering make the catch, so long as he didn't advance it. And he basically said as much in interviews afterwards. It was, and continues to be, exasperating.

The worst part was hearing people complain about William Gay after the game. Huh? He allowed reception, with three or four passes defensed in that game. And yet people were screaming for his head. Like I've said before: it's just weird.