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Hayeksheroes
09-12-2011, 10:26 AM
The Steelers played like an AFC bottom dweller. I won't name names. But all I heard off season was about how the Steelers were chomping at the bit to avenge their Superbowl loss. Looks like other teams wanted revenge on the Steelers. I have no doubt that John Harbaugh, the jack ass coach, has been scheming all summer to get back at the Steelers, like some maniac in an insane asylum. Well, his season's made. May the ravens will go 6-9 down the stretch.

The most worrisome aspect of the loss is that the Ravens and back then, the Packers, have shown the rest of teams the blue print on how to beat the Steelers. The frightening thing is that Tomlin and Arians have not really taken notice. They thought they could trot out their AFC Championship team and everyone would just wilt. Sorry this is the NFL. As good as the Steelers looked in preseason, it was only preseason.

I do have hope that Tomlin and LeBeau can make the adjustments to win. Arians is a lost cause. If this offensive coordinator refused to take advantage of a depleted Packer's secondary, what hope do we have that he is going to change? I would hope that Arians might take a page out of Harbaugh's game plan and make the aging Ray Lewis run around chasing Mendenhall's shadow. But I'm sure that will never happen. We'll have more horizontal passes out to the flat for 3 yard gains.

LeBeau is a brilliant strategist. His strategy is only as good as his players’ athleticism. What I mean by that is that if LeBeau thinks Timmons or Woodley can cover Rice in flat or short zone, he expects them too. They could not even cover his shadow. As a result, if the players can execute, LeBeau's strategy will fail no matter how good it is.

Secondly, the Steelers need help in the secondary. It's not just the mediocre performance of Gay. It's McFadden as well. There appears no once else willing or allowed to step up and replace these guys. LeBeau is reluctant to play a rookie because his schemes are so complicated that it takes a year or more to learn. But the Steelers need help. I don’t mind a rookie cb giving up a big play or two to inexperience if he can reduce third down conversion to 30% or less. Perhaps LeBeau should start to rely more on athleticism than knowledge or else the Steelers will be chasing many shadows into the endzone.

Where is Polamalu? This is the second game in a row where he has been a non factor. Polamalu was hurt in the Superbowl, so I will give him a pass. But he is healthy now and was taken out of the game plan. Apparently, Arians wasn't sharp enough to take Ed Reed out. It costs the Steelers two interceptions.


The Steelers have gone far with a clapboard offensive line. The end may be near. Left tackle is the most obvious spot. Scott was totally dominated and looked the part. The Steelers need to get Marcus Gilbert in there quick or sign a vet to replace this bum. It's not enough just to show up but you got to play or else we will be seeing Batch and probably Dixon.

Where was the pass rush? Where were the turnovers? The linebackers were ineffective and slow. I expected more from Woodley, less so from Harrison due to his back surgeries. Something needs to be done. Flacco had too much time and every stunt was picked up. Were the Raven's reading something?

Harbaugh's fatal flaw. Harbaugh revealed all his cards. Just to show you how big of an Ass Harbaugh was, he went for it on 4th and 1 instead of going for the field goal that would have put the Ravens up by 4 scores. Harbaugh was trying to run up the score. He wanted it 50 to 7. So what? To stroke his oversized ego. Would such a shellacking have made a difference to last year’s AFC divisional playoff? No. This is why Harbaugh won’t win the big games. A wise coach would have backed off the gas after going up 29-7 and gone vanilla. I've shown you my tricks, but I've got plenty more for our next meeting. Harbaugh never backed off. I'm hoping that comes back to haunt him in the next meeting and perhaps in the playoffs. The Steelers will not get burned again.

What now for the Steelers? They really have to decide what team they want to be. Something has to shake them out of their stupor. Max Starks, and Dwyer are two players that showed up fat and out of shape and it really characterizes this team. They are going through the motions, picking up fat checks and hoping their dog and pony show will get them through each Sunday. Sorry, it won't. They are going to have to decide if they want to be champions or chumps. We will see how they respond next week against Seattle.

steelfury02
09-12-2011, 01:21 PM
thank you - I'm glad I'm not the only one feeling like they are getting a little full of themselves - this is two years in a row where we have had a game where they flat out just didn't show up - Last year at Patriots and now this game (oh yea, and I won't mention the game at Cleveland that ruined our playoff chances a few seasons ago)

I'm starting to think there is a pattern going on here - so yea they are big and bad because they go 12-4 and beat up on the pathetic teams? When was the last time this team really showed up and instilled fear into and dominated a powerhouse team? We no longer have an effect on teams the way we used to and some of our core guys are losing their edge. I don't want to hear about age or any of that crap - that Patriots team that almost went undefeated was pretty darn old so I don't want to hear it. It is starting to look like they don't want it as badly any more when the truth of the matter is they have a lot to prove to themselves and each other as teammates.

Hate to say it - but this game concerns me and should concern a lot of people. Yea, they beat us last year the 1st time, but we almost beat them with Charlie Batch - yesterday was an official beat down of epic proportions. 2 losses in a row, 2 where this group has stunk it up in all phases - hope the big paycheck isn't softening up their determination. Someone show me something, prove to me where they are still hungry (and that doesn't include coming back against Baltimore in the playoffs and beating the hell out of the overrated Jets in the AFC championship game) pick an instance recently where we absolutely made a statement about who we are as a team . . .up for interpretation but come on - we aren't dominating anymore plain and simple

We lose to the Seahawks and I better start seein some veteran butts on the bench behind guys that want it more

Steel_Bus_24
09-12-2011, 02:08 PM
We lose to the Seahawks and I better start seein some veteran butts on the bench behind guys that want it more


Hell, if we don't pound the seahawks and beat them comfortably then we're in for a long season.....

They play a brand of football thats tailored made for us


I hate to say this but, these next few weeks will already be a massive gut check time with this team in this

How much is left in that Tank???And will you spill the blood, sweat, and tears to recapture contender form??

Fire Arians
09-12-2011, 02:13 PM
Hell, if we don't pound the seahawks and beat them comfortably then we're in for a long season.....

They play a brand of football thats tailored made for us


I hate to say this but, these next few weeks will already be a massive gut check time with this team in this

How much is left in that Tank???And will you spill the blood, sweat, and tears to recapture contender form??

IF we lose to seattle, we might as well go into rebuilding mode. Losing to baltimore is one thing, we can say 'we had a bad game/weren't prepared'. losing to seattle means you have more problems than just being unprepared, it means you suck

Kanata-Steeler
09-12-2011, 02:22 PM
The Steelers played like an AFC bottom dweller. I won't name names. But all I heard off season was about how the Steelers were chomping at the bit to avenge their Superbowl loss. Looks like other teams wanted revenge on the Steelers. I have no doubt that John Harbaugh, the jack ass coach, has been scheming all summer to get back at the Steelers, like some maniac in an insane asylum. Well, his season's made. May the ravens will go 6-9 down the stretch.

The most worrisome aspect of the loss is that the Ravens and back then, the Packers, have shown the rest of teams the blue print on how to beat the Steelers. The frightening thing is that Tomlin and Arians have not really taken notice. They thought they could trot out their AFC Championship team and everyone would just wilt. Sorry this is the NFL. As good as the Steelers looked in preseason, it was only preseason.

I do have hope that Tomlin and LeBeau can make the adjustments to win. Arians is a lost cause. If this offensive coordinator refused to take advantage of a depleted Packer's secondary, what hope do we have that he is going to change? I would hope that Arians might take a page out of Harbaugh's game plan and make the aging Ray Lewis run around chasing Mendenhall's shadow. But I'm sure that will never happen. We'll have more horizontal passes out to the flat for 3 yard gains.

LeBeau is a brilliant strategist. His strategy is only as good as his players’ athleticism. What I mean by that is that if LeBeau thinks Timmons or Woodley can cover Rice in flat or short zone, he expects them too. They could not even cover his shadow. As a result, if the players can execute, LeBeau's strategy will fail no matter how good it is.

Secondly, the Steelers need help in the secondary. It's not just the mediocre performance of Gay. It's McFadden as well. There appears no once else willing or allowed to step up and replace these guys. LeBeau is reluctant to play a rookie because his schemes are so complicated that it takes a year or more to learn. But the Steelers need help. I don’t mind a rookie cb giving up a big play or two to inexperience if he can reduce third down conversion to 30% or less. Perhaps LeBeau should start to rely more on athleticism than knowledge or else the Steelers will be chasing many shadows into the endzone.

Where is Polamalu? This is the second game in a row where he has been a non factor. Polamalu was hurt in the Superbowl, so I will give him a pass. But he is healthy now and was taken out of the game plan. Apparently, Arians wasn't sharp enough to take Ed Reed out. It costs the Steelers two interceptions.


The Steelers have gone far with a clapboard offensive line. The end may be near. Left tackle is the most obvious spot. Scott was totally dominated and looked the part. The Steelers need to get Marcus Gilbert in there quick or sign a vet to replace this bum. It's not enough just to show up but you got to play or else we will be seeing Batch and probably Dixon.

Where was the pass rush? Where were the turnovers? The linebackers were ineffective and slow. I expected more from Woodley, less so from Harrison due to his back surgeries. Something needs to be done. Flacco had too much time and every stunt was picked up. Were the Raven's reading something?

Harbaugh's fatal flaw. Harbaugh revealed all his cards. Just to show you how big of an Ass Harbaugh was, he went for it on 4th and 1 instead of going for the field goal that would have put the Ravens up by 4 scores. Harbaugh was trying to run up the score. He wanted it 50 to 7. So what? To stroke his oversized ego. Would such a shellacking have made a difference to last year’s AFC divisional playoff? No. This is why Harbaugh won’t win the big games. A wise coach would have backed off the gas after going up 29-7 and gone vanilla. I've shown you my tricks, but I've got plenty more for our next meeting. Harbaugh never backed off. I'm hoping that comes back to haunt him in the next meeting and perhaps in the playoffs. The Steelers will not get burned again.

What now for the Steelers? They really have to decide what team they want to be. Something has to shake them out of their stupor. Max Starks, and Dwyer are two players that showed up fat and out of shape and it really characterizes this team. They are going through the motions, picking up fat checks and hoping their dog and pony show will get them through each Sunday. Sorry, it won't. They are going to have to decide if they want to be champions or chumps. We will see how they respond next week against Seattle.

I really didn't get that at all.
We lost the SB to GB becuae of 3 Turnovers -thats it -nuthin more to see here.
The Steelers knew it, GB knew it,...., ok Harrison got alittle pissed off with Ben and Mendenhall for the loss, off-season, but HEY, you gotta be cruel to be kind, especially with Harrison.
so are the Steelers' "...not really upset about Superbowl loss?" yes and know, but thats been covered already. Harrison was obviously more upset than anybody else, fer whatever his reasons.
So anyway, on to today, where 7 Turnovers was the reason we LOST to the Ravens.
That's what I am more worried about than an SB that's over now.

Steeldude
09-12-2011, 02:33 PM
Harrison was obviously more upset than anybody else, fer whatever his reasons.

and again harrison was trying his best with an ailing back. we need more harrison's on the team

PhantomJB93
09-12-2011, 02:33 PM
I just think Tomlin needs to realize that there's a point where young talent outweighs what a declining veteran brings to the table (Aaron Smith, Larry Foote, James Farrior, Bryant Mcfadden, William Gay, Ryan Clark)...I know the young DBs may not be completely ready yet but after 3 years I'd rather break out Keenan Lewis than see one more drive with Mcfadden, and personally I'd take the growing pains that come with giving someone inexperienced like Curtis Brown or Stevenson Sylvester significant time over what we're getting out of Gay/Mcfadden and Foote/Farrior. At least there's a chance they'll get better and learn from their mistakes whereas the aging guys are only going to get worse...

tanda10506
09-12-2011, 02:50 PM
Although I disagree that the players are thinking too highly of themselves, you can't help but wonder after yesterday's game. There was absolutely no hustle, for the most part, these are the same 11 guys on defense that have been playing Baltimore for a while, they new what type of game it would be. Doesn't matter what Harbaugh schemes up, that's no excuse for how they were ridiculously slow and always in the wrong spot as if they weren't paying attention. I think you should try not to have a previous loss from a previous season on your mind much, SB loss or not, but you would think that they would have at least been fired up enough between the SB loss and opening up against the Ravens. Hard to say, I just don't see our players thinking to highly of themselves and I definetly don't now. BUT, Tomlin and LeBeau clearly do. I rarely throw criticism at LeBeau but come on, you can only blame the lack of coverage on the players to a point. Sure McFadden and Gay suck, but the fact that almost any team lately can come out, use 2 TE formations and spread the field and either beat us or nearly beat us is ridiculous. Brady has been doing it for a while, now other teams are doing it. Even though he has seen this going on, for a while against Brady, and quite a few games now against other teams, he refuses to do anything different. Just keeps us in the same 3-4 running similar plays. It's almost as if he is in denial about it. No matter what he comes up with, it won't make up for the fact that Gay and McFadden can't cover anybody, but at least find a way to eliminate being burnt by TE's when you have the LB corp like we do and Troy P. Tomlin won't change anything either, and it's even worse with him. I garuantee you that Hood and Heyward were dying to get in and make a difference yesterday, but he didn't even rotate them in, think I saw Heyward on 2 or 3 plays. He refuses to do anything about the corners, Ike played really well, put in Brown or Lewis for McFadden, it can't get any worse. Don't just stand there for a whole season and then the beginning of another and let a player do so much damage to your team. With all the corners we have we still put Gay in at nickel, even though common fans without coaching/playing experience are calling for him to be benched. On top of it all, he does nothing with his coaching staff, he just sits there and lets Arians ruin the offense, even though every Steeler fan in the world is saying Arians has to go, he clearly doesn't say anything to LeBeau about changing up the 3-4 sometimes. It's ridiculous. All that said I like Tomlin as a coach overall, but he's not stupid, he see's these things, he's just to stubborn to take even slight action to fix them. I don't get it!

steeltheone
09-12-2011, 03:01 PM
As you get older you lose that killer mentality....Just human nature!

DanRooney
09-12-2011, 03:33 PM
Don't change this into we lost because of turnovers. We lost because we got dominated in every single aspect of the game. The turnovers were a mere result of getting pounded in the trenches.

mikegrimey
09-12-2011, 07:17 PM
I find it incredulous that some on here are blaming this loss on "failure to adapt" to the "blueprint" unveiled by the Patriots and Packers.

The Ravens certainly did not follow that blueprint, they ran it down our throat and Flacco made pin point passes when he needed to. This wasn't a spread-lead offense. Hell, several of Flacco's big plays were check down and TE leaks.

Yea the defense was putrid, but worse than the typical soft secondary.

Riddle_Of_Steel
09-12-2011, 07:51 PM
I find it incredulous that some on here are blaming this loss on "failure to adapt" to the "blueprint" unveiled by the Patriots and Packers.

The Ravens certainly did not follow that blueprint, they ran it down our throat and Flacco made pin point passes when he needed to. This wasn't a spread-lead offense. Hell, several of Flacco's big plays were check down and TE leaks.

Yea the defense was putrid, but worse than the typical soft secondary.

I think you need to look at the game more closely-- Flacco did not make "pinpoint passes when he needed to"-- they took a page out of the Patriots playbook and spread our defense out and starting picking on the weaknesses in our coverage-- i.e. McFadden, Farrior, and Gay.

They used Lee Evans' speed to deepen the field and only threw the ball 3 times in his direction. His sole purpose in their scheme yesterday was to keep Ike Taylor and Polamalu occupied in deep coverage while they work to exploit the weaknesses in our short to moderate passing defense.

The reason Rice had the whole middle of the field to work with is because they succedded in spreading our defense too thin to make stops in the middle (helps when Foote/Farrior try to tackle with one arm).

And you can bet your money that we will be seeing teams try to run that very same offense against us each week until the Steelers demonstrate to the rest of the league that they can stop it.

Steeler4life1972
09-12-2011, 09:44 PM
I agree 100% Riddle. Especially the teams with the right personnel will definitely spread us out. I said this in another post but I think the lack of creative scheme on both sides of the ball are gonna kill us this season. The coaches mindsets are that we were just in the SuperBowl so no creative change is necessary but you better believe that teams are looking at the Pats, Packers and more recent ravens game film against us!! When you have guys that cant cover then we are gonna be picked apart. Its obvious polamalu's role has changed. No more of him roaming the field but more to help in coverage...If teams do this to us then we will slowly see his stats decline.

tanda10506
09-12-2011, 10:37 PM
I agree 100% Riddle. Especially the teams with the right personnel will definitely spread us out. I said this in another post but I think the lack of creative scheme on both sides of the ball are gonna kill us this season. The coaches mindsets are that we were just in the SuperBowl so no creative change is necessary but you better believe that teams are looking at the Pats, Packers and more recent ravens game film against us!! When you have guys that cant cover then we are gonna be picked apart. Its obvious polamalu's role has changed. No more of him roaming the field but more to help in coverage...If teams do this to us then we will slowly see his stats decline.

I agree, they played a lot like the Pats and Packers played us. We have to give these younger corners a shot instead of McFadden and Gay. Ike was a complete shut down corner against Lee Evans, we just have to address the #2 and #3 corner's. These rookie corners and 2nd year corners couldn't do any worse. If they can come in and actually cover some receivers, and we can get a pass rush, then we will do pretty decent against the pass. But until we change our defensive game plan vs really good passing teams like the Packers and especially the Pats, we won't beat them.

mikegrimey
09-12-2011, 10:48 PM
I think you need to look at the game more closely-- Flacco did not make "pinpoint passes when he needed to"-- they took a page out of the Patriots playbook and spread our defense out and starting picking on the weaknesses in our coverage-- i.e. McFadden, Farrior, and Gay.

They used Lee Evans' speed to deepen the field and only threw the ball 3 times in his direction. His sole purpose in their scheme yesterday was to keep Ike Taylor and Polamalu occupied in deep coverage while they work to exploit the weaknesses in our short to moderate passing defense.

The reason Rice had the whole middle of the field to work with is because they succedded in spreading our defense too thin to make stops in the middle (helps when Foote/Farrior try to tackle with one arm).

And you can bet your money that we will be seeing teams try to run that very same offense against us each week until the Steelers demonstrate to the rest of the league that they can stop it.

Flacco did indeed make pinpoint passes when he needed to. The opening drive he threw a great ball to Boldin who was well covered. The next drive a big play was called back due to holding that he threw to the TE, also in tight coverage. The other 2 touchdowns weren't covered well, but perhaps I misrepresent my point, which is Flacco didn't play a Bradyesque or Rodgersesque game---not even a Cutleresque one against us, dare I say.

Yes, this was not a repeat of the patriots game, where the Pats used the pass to set up the run, or a repeat of the Saints or Packers games last year, where they didn't bother running at all. The Steelers got gouged on the line of scrimmage, gave up a couple big runs and a lot more unsatisfactory ones. Even on "good" plays we were giving up 3-3.5 a run in the first half. The run D didn't seem as bad in the second half but by then the damage was done.

OX1947
09-12-2011, 11:51 PM
If the Steelers do not solve this spead offense problem, they will not make the playoffs this year.

CTFan
09-13-2011, 09:29 AM
...Harbaugh's fatal flaw. Harbaugh revealed all his cards. Just to show you how big of an Ass Harbaugh was, he went for it on 4th and 1 instead of going for the field goal that would have put the Ravens up by 4 scores. Harbaugh was trying to run up the score. He wanted it 50 to 7. So what? To stroke his oversized ego. Would such a shellacking have made a difference to last year’s AFC divisional playoff? No. This is why Harbaugh won’t win the big games. A wise coach would have backed off the gas after going up 29-7 and gone vanilla. I've shown you my tricks, but I've got plenty more for our next meeting. Harbaugh never backed off. I'm hoping that comes back to haunt him in the next meeting and perhaps in the playoffs. The Steelers will not get burned again.

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Pretty good rant overall, but if you think Harbaugh showed all his cards, or tried to run up the score, you're being foolish.

I will say that playing the Steelers in game one was an advantage for the Ravens. They had the entire pre-season to prepare and had a singular focus. In defense of the Steelers, they were playing a team that they've pretty much owned. Psychological advantage was definately ours. We don't expect the same advantage next time, but we did gain in knowing we can beat you guys at almost every position.

The Ravens made big changes this year, while your team stood pat while doling out huge contracts to reward key players for past perrromance. It was the right thing to do, but you're going to pay for it for a year or two.

Your offense wasn't bad if you take away the TO's, several of which occured in the red zone. The next game could be tight, but the Ravens have now let the genie out of the bottle, so tight may not be to your advantage anymore.

CTFan
09-13-2011, 11:49 AM
...Harbaugh's fatal flaw. Harbaugh revealed all his cards. Just to show you how big of an Ass Harbaugh was, he went for it on 4th and 1 instead of going for the field goal that would have put the Ravens up by 4 scores. Harbaugh was trying to run up the score. He wanted it 50 to 7. So what? To stroke his oversized ego. Would such a shellacking have made a difference to last year’s AFC divisional playoff? No. This is why Harbaugh won’t win the big games. A wise coach would have backed off the gas after going up 29-7 and gone vanilla. I've shown you my tricks, but I've got plenty more for our next meeting. Harbaugh never backed off. I'm hoping that comes back to haunt him in the next meeting and perhaps in the playoffs. The Steelers will not get burned again.

...

Pretty good rant overall, but if you think Harbaugh showed all his cards, or tried to run up the score, you're being foolish.

I will say that playing the Steelers in game one was an advantage for the Ravens. They had the entire pre-season to prepare and had a singular focus. In defense of the Steelers, they were playing a team that they've pretty much owned. Psychological advantage was definately ours. We don't expect the same advantage next time, but we did gain in knowing we can beat you guys at almost every position.

The Ravens made big changes this year, while your team stood pat while doling out huge contracts to reward key players for past perrromance. It was the right thing to do, but you're going to pay for it for a year or two.

Your offense wasn't bad if you take away the TO's, several of which occured in the red zone. The next game could be tight, but the Ravens have now let the genie out of the bottle, so tight may not be to your advantage anymore.

lasvegasguy
09-13-2011, 05:21 PM
I really didn't get that at all.
We lost the SB to GB becuae of 3 Turnovers -thats it -nuthin more to see here.



Plus, the 7 in the last game and we have 10 turnovers in 2 games. Sounds like Tomlin either needs to get back to basics with this group or step aside for a more qualified coach.

mikegrimey
09-13-2011, 06:15 PM
I'd also like to add that teh Ravens did not move teh ball by simply spreading it out and picking on our poor coverage guys.

Their first TD was preceded by a 36 and then 4 yard run. The 2nd TD was a rushing TD. 3rd TD Polamaluy was in coverage and the 4th and final one Timmons was in coverage on Rice. They did it against our weak coverage guy and better ones. The big difference here was they could run it on us.