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55BaileyFan
09-20-2011, 04:36 PM
http://steelerfreakmov.blogspot.com/2011/09/diesel-in-shop.html

Expected to miss this week.

steeltheone
09-20-2011, 05:03 PM
Surprise surprise...

Atlanta Dan
09-20-2011, 05:25 PM
Could mean big problems in keeping Kerry Collins from turning the corner on the option play around left end

ricardisimo
09-20-2011, 05:26 PM
Could mean big problems in keeping Kerry Collins from turning the corner on the option play around left end
:sofunny::rofl:

Fire Arians
09-20-2011, 06:00 PM
Could mean big problems in keeping Kerry Collins from turning the corner on the option play around left end

:chuckle:

tony hipchest
09-20-2011, 07:05 PM
:toofunny:

in todays presser, tomlin said ziggy would get the nod if brett couldnt go.

Steeldude
09-20-2011, 07:22 PM
hood will finally get to play most of a game. i guess injuries are the only way young people will get a chance :chuckle:

BengalDestroyer
09-20-2011, 07:28 PM
I can't remember where, but I read earlier today that if Keisel was out to look for a rotation of Hood, Heyward, and McClendon...interesting.

with that said, I'm confident in Ziggy, and Steeldude's comment is sadly too true...

Atlanta Dan
09-20-2011, 07:32 PM
hood will finally get to play most of a game. i guess injuries are the only way young people will get a chance :chuckle:

Maybe not:noidea:

Based on this statement by Ed.B. of the P-G today I am not the only one wondering why Smith is starting

Ed, how much longer until we see the real James Harrison and Aaron Smith in games?

Ed Bouchette: Maybe for Aaron, it was 2008:chuckle:

http://plus.sites.post-gazette.com/index.php/chats/ed-bouchettes-chat

If Bouchette sees the decline presumably the coaches do as well

Too bad the Steelers decided to pay Smith $5 million this year rather than just give him a gold watch for his previous accomplishments that pretty much ended three seasons ago

harrison'samonster
09-20-2011, 07:36 PM
Do you guys think that if Hood plays well, he'll take over Smith's spot? I could see that as a possibility

Steel4ever95
09-20-2011, 09:37 PM
Do you guys think that if Hood plays well, he'll take over Smith's spot? I could see that as a possibility

Not to sure if he will take Smith's starting spot, but it would be nice to see him rotated in more often.

Curtain_of_Steel
09-20-2011, 10:30 PM
Ziggy should be playing and should be starter. Unfortunateoy its Smith who shouldn't be here as opposed to Keisel.

Hood played WELL/GREAT last year and didn't get Smiths spot. Complete BS that we kept Smith with his salary. Next year the line will get revamped some and Smith should and better be gone.

MasterOfPuppets
09-20-2011, 10:53 PM
Do you guys think that if Hood plays well, he'll take over Smith's spot? I could see that as a possibility
according to my source...no :noidea:

http://i676.photobucket.com/albums/vv123/Gardnerius/magic8ball1.jpg

Riddle_Of_Steel
09-20-2011, 11:56 PM
Do you guys think that if Hood plays well, he'll take over Smith's spot? I could see that as a possibility


Both are listed as Left Ends. At this point, I have seen enough of Aaron Smith this season to know Ziggy should be starting.

I mean, we allowed a record 62 yards rushing per game last year with Ziggy in the lineup. Why change anything?

Ziggy struggled at first-- I recall in 2009 when Smith went down for the count, our run defense went completely in the weeds with Ziggy in there. It takes a year or two for even the brightest football players to learn Dick Lebeau's schemes.

But now that he has caught on, Ziggy should be in there. he has the longest reach of any of our Dlinemen, the fastest jump off the snap, and according to other Steelers, is strong as a bull.

We don'ty normally expect our 3-4 ends to contribute much in the pass rush, but Ziggy even helps there. Last year, as the season drew on, he started racking up some sacks, if you recall. He collapses the pocket so opposing QBs cannot step up to avoid Woodley and Harrison.

Time for the Ziggy Hood era to start, and the Aaron Smith twilight to begin. Sad to say it, because Aaron has been one of the most die-hard guys on the team.

I mean, the guy even showed up to play the same week his son was diagnosed with Leukemia-- maybe that is why the coaches are reluctant to put him out to pasture. They may feel a sense of responsibility to support him as well.

ricardisimo
09-20-2011, 11:56 PM
according to my source...no :noidea:
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tony hipchest
09-20-2011, 11:59 PM
for those who dont know, the steelers intentionally try to artificially deflate their successful high draft pick's values before their 2nd contract.

it is the steelers way to bring the rooks along slowly and then cash in once they prove they are deserving of a second contract. its been that way for years.

steeltheone
09-21-2011, 05:11 AM
Do you guys think that if Hood plays well, he'll take over Smith's spot? I could see that as a possibility

Did you watch any games last year?:noidea:

STEELMANIAK
09-21-2011, 12:21 PM
It's hard for me to understand why the front office would invest two 1st round picks in the last 3 years at defensive end just to sit and watch Kiesel and Smith struggle at their position and at the same time neglect our DB's and Oline to the point in which we are at now.

Seems like we passed up quite a few players that would have made an immediate impact.

Steel4ever95
09-21-2011, 12:39 PM
We don'ty normally expect our 3-4 ends to contribute much in the pass rush, but Ziggy even helps there. Last year, as the season drew on, he started racking up some sacks, if you recall. He collapses the pocket so opposing QBs cannot step up to avoid Woodley and Harrison.

Time for the Ziggy Hood era to start, and the Aaron Smith twilight to begin. Sad to say it, because Aaron has been one of the most die-hard guys on the team.

Very good point on Hood getting after the QB last year. Who knows if the d struggles up front there could be some changes along the line...maybe.

cloppbeast
09-21-2011, 12:44 PM
Could mean big problems in keeping Kerry Collins from turning the corner on the option play around left end

:chuckle:

Steelersfan87
09-21-2011, 02:06 PM
It's hard for me to understand why the front office would invest two 1st round picks in the last 3 years at defensive end just to sit and watch Kiesel and Smith struggle at their position and at the same time neglect our DB's and Oline to the point in which we are at now.

Seems like we passed up quite a few players that would have made an immediate impact.

Did you watch the last game?

STEELMANIAK
09-21-2011, 03:30 PM
Did you watch the last game?

Yes. I'd like to see Cam Heyward get more plays in, the kid was built for that position.

steelfury02
09-22-2011, 12:43 PM
:old: "C'mon sunny gem...fear the beard darnit."

Wallabeast17
09-22-2011, 01:03 PM
:old: "C'mon sunny gem...fear the beard darnit."

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

I think I just pissed my pants :doh: :toofunny:

tanda10506
09-24-2011, 01:20 AM
The way Smith is looking, I think it's over for him. I like Smith a lot, he's served the Steelers well and he is a true Steeler, but we are getting zero production from him it seems. Keisel and Smith played horrible against Baltimore, to my surprise, cause Keisel played well last year. Next game though Keisel stepped up and made some plays, I didn't see anything, not a single thing, from Smith against and inferior team. Hood played well last year and has earned the spot. I would say give Smith one more game to see if he comes around, if not, Hood should be starting and playing 75% of the time. Keisel looks like he's getting back to form, but it's only one game that he played well in and it wasn't extremely well. I think Keisel will get back to playing really good this year so I'm not going to go into hypothetical's about "what if he doesn't", but he shouldn't be in there every snap or 99% of the snaps. For that matter, none of the DE's should. I played junior leagues, high school, and college ball as a DE and LB. I know things are done differently at that level, but there was a good amount of rotation. If I was coaching I would start Hood and rotate Smith in every now and then for a set of downs here and there, keeping Hood "fresh", keeping Smith active, and getting overall better play from both of them because they will not be as tired. I would do the same with Heyward and Keisel, start Keisel, if he's having a monster game leave him in 90% of the time. If not, Heyward should be playing 30% or so of the snaps in the first 3 quarters. By doing this, you keep everybody "fresh", you get your young guy Heyward playing time while keeping your best DE Keisel ready to go when it counts the most. You also get to play the player who is playing the best in the 4th quarter when it counts, rather then just having to stick with whoever you started. I don't see a downside to it, I've seen first hand the benefits of it, I just don't see how NFL coaches don't see it. It would be different if Hood played bad last year and Heyward was a 6th round pick, but we got some guys behind our vets that can play, lets play them. I just really don't see how NFL coaches don't get it with so many things, but as a few mentioned before, maybe they are purposely holding the young guys back.

tony hipchest
09-24-2011, 01:17 PM
. I don't see a downside to it, I've seen first hand the benefits of it, I just don't see how NFL coaches don't see it. It would be different if Hood played bad last year and Heyward was a 6th round pick, but we got some guys behind our vets that can play, lets play them. I just really don't see how NFL coaches don't get it with so many things, but as a few mentioned before, maybe they are purposely holding the young guys back.the downside is that the youngsters may not be ready to produce on an overall consistant basis and hold the fort down on the nfl's best defense for 60 minutes. they are more apt to be caught out of place and open a hole for a scoring play

also, NFL coaches are way to busy to keep up with the revolutionary, game altering dynamics taking place in the high school and college ranks every week.

that is why they are so far behind the learning curve. :chuckle:

tanda10506
09-24-2011, 01:45 PM
the downside is that the youngsters may not be ready to produce on an overall consistant basis and hold the fort down on the nfl's best defense for 60 minutes. they are more apt to be caught out of place and open a hole for a scoring play

also, NFL coaches are way to busy to keep up with the revolutionary, game altering dynamics taking place in the high school and college ranks every week.

that is why they are so far behind the learning curve. :chuckle:

I agree that the youngsters might not be able to hold it down, if you look at what I wrote you would see that they would noy be in all game, Heyward not even half. How did you miss the majority of what I wrote, to busy trying to think of a "funny" cheap shot while reading.:chuckle:

Steelersfan87
09-24-2011, 02:11 PM
I don't know where all of these decisive conclusions that Smith didn't do anything against the Seahawks are coming from. Is it because he didn't record a tackle? Smith controlled the line well last game and looked much better than against the Ravens. Sometimes I think some people just don't understand what to look for when looking at the defensive line.

steelfury02
09-24-2011, 08:59 PM
We are only 2 games in, but this season is starting off in such a bizarre manner.

1. Never saw that type of whoopin from Bmore comin
2. A general feeling of uneasiness regardless of any wins we rack up before New England and Baltimore. Even if we win all these games in a row before then, we'll then start talking about having another letdown after a string of wins and that we are destined to lose 1 of those 2 games for the simple reason we are not capable of winning against good teams this year
3. We can post a 12-4 record, win the division, get a #2 seed again (heck even #1) and we will still be uneasy - because if we have to face the Pats in the playoffs we have done nothing to give fans any confidence in our ability to beat a high-octane offense
4. We can make it to the Super Bowl, and if we have to play a team like Green Bay or New Orleans, we will be uneasy again. Grant it- we'll look to our SB XLV performance riddled with turnovers and still only losing by 6 as something to hang out hat on, BUT -
5. We won't be satisfied or feel better unless we exorcise our demons or get lucky with matchups against teams like Jets or Chargers and then someone like the Falcons or Eagles in SB.

Just a thought - but I feel like a series of events is leading us to an inevitable shedding of monkey off back by beating some teams we technically haven't been able to in past or we'll take our beatings again by those quick-strike QBs.

Phew - I've never felt so antsy about a season since 05-06 SB season - that was quite the roller coaster ride.

Atlanta Dan
09-25-2011, 06:54 AM
Ed.B. of the P-G once again wonders what is going on with Aaron Smith

I disagree with Warren Sapp that the whole defense is getting old and/or slow (particularly Casey Hampton, who I think has been playing great football), but Aaron certainly has not looked the same as years past.

http://plus.sites.post-gazette.com/index.php/pro-sports/steelers

Maybe Smith is not sitting because it would raise the question WTF the Steelers were thinking in not at least renegotiating the salary of 35 year old player who did not make it past October the last 2 seasons but is being paid $5 million?:noidea:

Steel4ever95
09-25-2011, 10:00 AM
The way Smith is looking, I think it's over for him. I like Smith a lot, he's served the Steelers well and he is a true Steeler, but we are getting zero production from him it seems. Keisel and Smith played horrible against Baltimore, to my surprise, cause Keisel played well last year. Next game though Keisel stepped up and made some plays, I didn't see anything, not a single thing, from Smith against and inferior team. Hood played well last year and has earned the spot. I would say give Smith one more game to see if he comes around, if not, Hood should be starting and playing 75% of the time. Keisel looks like he's getting back to form, but it's only one game that he played well in and it wasn't extremely well. I think Keisel will get back to playing really good this year so I'm not going to go into hypothetical's about "what if he doesn't", but he shouldn't be in there every snap or 99% of the snaps. For that matter, none of the DE's should. I played junior leagues, high school, and college ball as a DE and LB. I know things are done differently at that level, but there was a good amount of rotation. If I was coaching I would start Hood and rotate Smith in every now and then for a set of downs here and there, keeping Hood "fresh", keeping Smith active, and getting overall better play from both of them because they will not be as tired. I would do the same with Heyward and Keisel, start Keisel, if he's having a monster game leave him in 90% of the time. If not, Heyward should be playing 30% or so of the snaps in the first 3 quarters. By doing this, you keep everybody "fresh", you get your young guy Heyward playing time while keeping your best DE Keisel ready to go when it counts the most. You also get to play the player who is playing the best in the 4th quarter when it counts, rather then just having to stick with whoever you started. I don't see a downside to it, I've seen first hand the benefits of it, I just don't see how NFL coaches don't see it. It would be different if Hood played bad last year and Heyward was a 6th round pick, but we got some guys behind our vets that can play, lets play them. I just really don't see how NFL coaches don't get it with so many things, but as a few mentioned before, maybe they are purposely holding the young guys back.

Agree with what you had to say on the rotation, situation. It takes some time for rookies to get used to the speed of the game, and in Heywards case the lockout hurt him a bit in not getting time to learn the playbook. I would like to see him out there for a few snaps every game just so he can get a taste for the NFL, and get some on the job learning exp. The d-line is gunna be in for a big change sooner or later it would be nice to get the young guns some playing time.

steelfury02
09-25-2011, 12:17 PM
I'll say this - the defense didn't get old overnight or that much slower since last season. BUT - I do feel it is time to get some young blood injected into the line. Cripe - even if we were sitting at 2-0 I'd be wanting to see Hood more , if not 60 to 70 percent of the time just because of his performance last year.

The D can't rest on its prior achievements - just hoping pride doesn't get in the way of progress. We need to start seeing some other guys step up.

That said - very excited at the possibilities again this season.

Here's to hoping Gilbert continues to improve - that can shape up to be some nice chemistry.:drink:

tanda10506
09-25-2011, 06:55 PM
I agree that they didn't get much older since February, I don't think the age is the reason for the poor play game 1. I think Hood is a starter and Heyward could be so I don't think it's much of a risk having them in a lot in the first 3 quarters. Need to get them some experience before Heyward's third year or Hood's retirement lol.

Steelersfan87
09-25-2011, 07:09 PM
Hood played about as much as Smith did last game and he's starting tonight, so can we relax please? I think Heyward also got 7 snaps and will probably gradually get more as the season goes on.

Phillykeith
09-25-2011, 08:24 PM
Keisel is injured? What else is new! I like the guy but man it might be time to consider hanging 'em up. Ziggy Hood is going to be a good one IMO...