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madtowndrunkard
09-25-2011, 11:20 PM
I won't even go into the O-line problems...because we all knew that before the season started. The FO decision to ignore the O-line is a curious one to me...but we are getting what we expected... a mess.


What really concerns me is our D-line. The Colts and Ravens both man handled our D-lineman. The LB's have bodies in their face consistently. Smith, Hood, and Hampton are getting blocked with regularity. We look soft. I can't recall the last season that our front 7 was physically beaten 2 games...and we've only completed 3 games.

Before you start saying we gave them 13 points on turnovers.... you can't ignore the fact that we knew they were going to run but struggled to stop it....not to mention that will be the worst QB's we will play all season - period.

tony hipchest
09-25-2011, 11:24 PM
hampton is getting chopped down at the knees on a regular basis. he cant be blocked one on one, and a double team seldom works.

chop blocks and cut blocks is the only way they can address him and our run stuffing dominance while still giving a bit of extra attention to our edge rushers.

you see this play out clear as day when reviewing the tape.

ETL
09-25-2011, 11:24 PM
I agree with you. I usually am a homer for veteran players but I think we should consider starting an all "H" D line:

Heyward, Hampton, Hood

JCPsteelers
09-25-2011, 11:25 PM
I think the OL play is more worrisome than the defense.


Scott has struggled and I don't think Legursky is a starting offensive guard. I much rather have Foster in there.
Tackle situation is problematic.

ZoneBlitzer
09-25-2011, 11:31 PM
You're damn right. There are very serious issues with this ball club. The offensive line is absolutely atrocious. I would go so far as to say that this isn't a modern NFL offense. While the rest of the league is shattering records and putting up points, the Steelers struggle mightily on offense. And the worst part, is that this is nothing new. There have been problems with consistency with this group for quite some time. And yes, it would have to boil down to the offensive line. I don't see this team going very far. I also see Ben regressing as a QB because of it. I don't what the hell is actually going in the city of Pittsburgh, but if I were a fan living there or if I was a season ticket holder, I would be absolutely livid over the bungling of the offensive line. Get the right players and get them in there.

madtowndrunkard
09-25-2011, 11:32 PM
hampton is getting chopped down at the knees on a regular basis. he cant be blocked one on one, and a double team seldom works.

chop blocks and cut blocks is the only way they can address him and our run stuffing dominance while still giving a bit of extra attention to our edge rushers.

you see this play out clear as day when reviewing the tape.


The chop blocks are occurring, but not on most plays. It's happened maybe a handful of times. That doesn't explain the Ravens and Colts running the ball down our throats when we KNOW they are going to run.

What I'm seeing is Hampton and our DE's getting pushed backwards or out of the play.... all 4 d-lineman are getting blocked.... The LB's have guys in their face and aren't hitting the RB till 3-5 yards past the LOS.

You NEVER use to see our D-linemen get blocked like we are seeing in the first 3 weeks so far. I'm shocked at how bad Smith looks right now. Farrior needs to be playing more...Foote sucks.

queeg
09-25-2011, 11:35 PM
I won't even go into the O-line problems...because we all knew that before the season started. The FO decision to ignore the O-line is a curious one to me...but we are getting what we expected... a mess.


What really concerns me is our D-line. The Colts and Ravens both man handled our D-lineman. The LB's have bodies in their face consistently. Smith, Hood, and Hampton are getting blocked with regularity. We look soft. I can't recall the last season that our front 7 was physically beaten 2 games...and we've only completed 3 games.

Before you start saying we gave them 13 points on turnovers.... you can't ignore the fact that we knew they were going to run but struggled to stop it....not to mention that will be the worst QB's we will play all season - period.

The Colts line was super fast....Corners and safeties knew our run blocking...telegraphed...

The offensive coaching needs unpredictability...good teams tee of us.

As far as defensive line....no pressure...and linebackers lost in space no sacks

ETL
09-25-2011, 11:37 PM
Maybe even McClendon may be an improvement over Smith.

casteeler
09-25-2011, 11:51 PM
Where do you go from here? The only decent o linemen are Pouncey and Kemo, how do you play the rest of the season with no o- line and as a result no run game? This is an issue that has been ignored for too long. I'm sure they'll bring in Flozell or patch the hole temporarily but when will the problem be fixed? Sure the Steelers can beat a depleted Colts D but what about next week? I'm just sayin

davidtrout
09-25-2011, 11:57 PM
Agreed that Dline is an issue, but not near the issue that the OLine is, especially now. Hood looked really bad tonight and the reason Hampton continues to get cut is because the DEs are getting mugged. Don't get me wrong, I'm not with the "start the rookie" movement, but this is a problem. They marched right down the field after the big play that usually seals games for us with a QB who's mother has never even heard of him and punched it in with very little resistance. I don't know what but something has to happen in a hurry.

The OL on the other hand. Wow, just wow. Before all the injuries it was sickening to watch. Now, I don't believe we have a capable starter other than Pouncey on the roster. I don't no what Scott's injury is, but if his leg fell off, he could have come back in and played just as well. That sack/fumble/td was 100% his fault and it wasn't even that he got beat, he looked as if he wasn't even trying. Made me want to vomit.

I've defended these guys, I know too many people exaggerate issues and whine and cry over things they don't even understand, but enough is enough. This OL will NOT work. It is not worthy of Steeler football and should not be acceptable to the FO, to the coaches, or to us. I don't blame Tomlin or Arians or Kugler, this is talent, pure and simple we severely lack talent.

DanRooney
09-26-2011, 12:07 AM
The OL on the other hand. Wow, just wow. Before all the injuries it was sickening to watch. Now, I don't believe we have a capable starter other than Pouncey on the roster. I don't no what Scott's injury is, but if his leg fell off, he could have come back in and played just as well. That sack/fumble/td was 100% his fault and it wasn't even that he got beat, he looked as if he wasn't even trying. Made me want to vomit.

I've defended these guys, I know too many people exaggerate issues and whine and cry over things they don't even understand, but enough is enough. This OL will NOT work. It is not worthy of Steeler football and should not be acceptable to the FO, to the coaches, or to us. I don't blame Tomlin or Arians or Kugler, this is talent, pure and simple we severely lack talent.

I blame Tomlin and Kugler 100%. They evaluate and put people on this team and right now Legursky and Scott are getting mauled. It was their decision not to bring back Flozell and roll with a bum that Kugler was in love with from the Bills. It was also their choice to roll with Legursky when any fans knew that he didn't have the build to be a starter in the NFL.

davidtrout
09-26-2011, 12:17 AM
I blame Tomlin and Kugler 100%. They evaluate and put people on this team and right now Legursky and Scott are getting mauled. It was their decision not to bring back Flozell and roll with a bum that Kugler was in love with from the Bills. It was also their choice to roll with Legursky when any fans knew that he didn't have the build to be a starter in the NFL.

Blame them all you want, but as usual you are incorrect. They don't sign contracts or determine who to bring in, their job is to get the most out of the players they are given and I believe they are doing that. I have no problem with who they cut or who they are starting, because the alternatives weren't any better. My issue is with the overall talent pool from the day camp opened, up to now. Maybe the lockout has some culpability, but scouting and Colbert himself have to take the brunt of this issue.

The grass isn't any greener on the bench, they're all bad.

tony hipchest
09-26-2011, 12:22 AM
all 4 d-lineman are getting blocked.... The LB's have guys in their face and aren't hitting the RB till 3-5 yards past the LOS.

.what 4 d-linemen???

we run a base 3-4.

PLUS we are now running more snaps out of our nickel package where hampton is the one coming off the field.

you do realize he typically plays less than 50% of the snaps in an entire game, right?

just visit steelersdepot.com and check out the weekly participation charts, and its broken down quite nicely.

of course teams are gonna run more and better when they get hampton off the field. we still allowed j. addai (a damn good rb) less than 100 yds.

stb_steeler
09-26-2011, 12:24 AM
Its gonna be a long season no matter how we look at it :popcorn:

tony hipchest
09-26-2011, 12:28 AM
I blame Tomlin and Kugler 100%. They evaluate and put people on this team..... It was their decision not to bring back Flozell .

:rofl: such cluelessness has GOT to be laughed at.

:doh:

OX1947
09-26-2011, 12:28 AM
Some of you keep saying how the Steelers haven't addressed their offensive line, they drafted probably the best center in the league and Gilbert looks to be coming into his own. I do not think the Steelers expected Starks to come in at 400 pounds and colon having season ending surgeries in back to back seasons.

Actually, the offense was playing fine in the 1st quarter, what happen was momentum changed everything. Big Ben needs to stop turning the ball over. He had 3 turnovers in a row. He has turned the ball over an average of 3 times a game in the last 5 games he has played. One of those games cost us a world title.

Team needs to either adjust or Big Ben needs to figure out something else.

Third Rail
09-26-2011, 12:55 AM
Yes... because ALL of those turnovers were 100% Ben's fault.

I'm guessing you didn't watch the Super Bowl, because if you did, you'd realize that pick 6 he threw early on in the game was due to the fact that he got hit immediately and if he didn't throw the ball, he would have gotten sacked in the end zone for a safety.

OX1947
09-26-2011, 01:52 AM
Yes... because ALL of those turnovers were 100% Ben's fault.

I'm guessing you didn't watch the Super Bowl, because if you did, you'd realize that pick 6 he threw early on in the game was due to the fact that he got hit immediately and if he didn't throw the ball, he would have gotten sacked in the end zone for a safety.

Ok, lets take that play and even give you a break on the 2 sack fumbles tonight. What about the other 9? Explain.......

theplatypus
09-26-2011, 05:22 AM
Yes... because ALL of those turnovers were 100% Ben's fault.

I'm guessing you didn't watch the Super Bowl, because if you did, you'd realize that pick 6 he threw early on in the game was due to the fact that he got hit immediately and if he didn't throw the ball, he would have gotten sacked in the end zone for a safety.

Because the smart play is to pump the ball and go for a 50yd pass from your own end zone. THe int last night was all on Ben as was the first sack/fumble.

TRH
09-26-2011, 06:23 AM
I think the OL play is more worrisome than the defense.


Scott has struggled and I don't think Legursky is a starting offensive guard. I much rather have Foster in there.
Tackle situation is problematic.

absolutely true.
Ben is going to get injured, maybe killed, before the year ends.
Scott played one of the worst OL games i've ever seen last night. It was so bad, i'd think about releasing him today and calling, well, anyone.
Legursky is 'good', but just 'good'. I think he's good when he comes in and plays spots, but you're right, not to start.

theplatypus
09-26-2011, 07:13 AM
Ok, lets take that play and even give you a break on the 2 sack fumbles tonight. What about the other 9? Explain.......


6 games and 17 turnovers, but fault falls squarely on the shoulders of Arians', Colbert, Tomlin et al

steelfury02
09-26-2011, 08:58 AM
I will put 60% blame on offensive line because of turnovers this season, but at least 40% has to go on Ben for at least 1 of them in last night's game. As the announcers stated - he has to know when to get rid of the ball. Certain situations has has to be comfortable throwing it away so he gets at least a minority share of the blame IMHO.

That said - I fear for Ben's season right now because if we can't establish any kind of run game - no one is going to respect it - and it will be open season on Ben off the edges AND up the middle.

Something has to be done and done F_A_S_T. I don't think the Texans defense will have as much pressure coming off both edges BUT it is going to be a greater challenge because they are capable of putting up some points.