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Neil-Still-Rules-14
09-26-2011, 03:43 PM
Guys, you all need to calm down. Indianapolis is no push over. As for those of you comparing this game to 06 and 09, the difference is that the Steelers found a way to win, whereas in those years, they found a way to lose. Do you all not forget they were one Steve Johnson drop from losing to the Bills last year? Part of it is the fact they were playing on the road. It's said that if you win all of your home games and half of your road games, you are a good team. It's pretty rare you walk into someone's stadium and just blow them out. Not to mention Indianapolis has LOADS of talent. Yes, their missing piece is QB, but they still have maybe the best DE combo in the NFL (who faced maybe the worst OT combo in the NFL), a very good WR corps, and a very good OL. Yes if Manning would've played, it would've probably been a different story, but come on! They have been to the playoffs 9 yrs in a row for a reason. Also I think the Steelers should go to about 70-30 passing. Ben and the receivers are looking pretty spectacular lately and I am tired of hearing people complain about the Steelers needing to be a run-first team, I guess because they've happened to have a few HOF runningbacks? What happened from 1933-2010 doesn't matter to me. The Steelers have a HOF QB and a group of amazing receivers- they need to air it out.

Fire Arians
09-26-2011, 04:03 PM
i agree with you on most points except the 70-30 pass ratio. we need to be a little more balanced because if ben drops back 70% of the time he's going to get killed before the season is over. even in history's most prolific passing games, the key to its success is still having a solid enough running game to mix it up. even the greatest show on turf's success, a lot of the credit had to be attributed to having marshall faulk in the lineup

PhantomJB93
09-26-2011, 04:04 PM
I agree, even though we *should have* steamrolled them, it was a sight for sore eyes to see us be "clutch" when crunchtime came around again rather than keep rolling over and letting them win.

I don't agree about the passing thing, we need to be balanced. I do think if the run game is completely nonexistent like it was last night, we need to ADJUST (something Arians doesn't do often) and pass more, but we shouldn't come into a game with that mentality.

And although Indy's looked awful the first 2 weeks, Peyton Manning is not their whole team, honestly I think they had more of a mental problem than a talent problem and they overcame that last light. Freeney, Mathis, Bethea, Wayne, Clark, Garcon, and Addai are all legitimate, talented players that should be able to get them a few wins no matter who's behind center.

stb_steeler
09-26-2011, 04:08 PM
Guys, you all need to calm down. Indianapolis is no push over. As for those of you comparing this game to 06 and 09, the difference is that the Steelers found a way to win, whereas in those years, they found a way to lose. Do you all not forget they were one Steve Johnson drop from losing to the Bills last year? Part of it is the fact they were playing on the road. It's said that if you win all of your home games and half of your road games, you are a good team. It's pretty rare you walk into someone's stadium and just blow them out. Not to mention Indianapolis has LOADS of talent. Yes, their missing piece is QB, but they still have maybe the best DE combo in the NFL (who faced maybe the worst OT combo in the NFL), a very good WR corps, and a very good OL. Yes if Manning would've played, it would've probably been a different story, but come on! They have been to the playoffs 9 yrs in a row for a reason. Also I think the Steelers should go to about 70-30 passing. Ben and the receivers are looking pretty spectacular lately and I am tired of hearing people complain about the Steelers needing to be a run-first team, I guess because they've happened to have a few HOF runningbacks? What happened from 1933-2010 doesn't matter to me. The Steelers have a HOF QB and a group of amazing receivers- they need to air it out.
It didnt seem that hard for the Browns to take advantage of them....:noidea:

solardave
09-26-2011, 04:09 PM
60-40 would be good. The reason being is that great teams can do both. Right now we can't run on anyone and that sucks.

cloppbeast
09-26-2011, 04:13 PM
Guys, you all need to calm down. Indianapolis is no push over.

The Texans disagree.

As for those of you comparing this game to 06 and 09, the difference is that the Steelers found a way to win, whereas in those years, they found a way to lose.

In 2006 they found ways to win 8 games, also.

Not to mention Indianapolis has LOADS of talent. Yes, their missing piece is QB, but they still have maybe the best DE combo in the NFL (who faced maybe the worst OT combo in the NFL), a very good WR corps, and a very good OL.

They have 2 good DEs, 1 good WR who can catch, and another good WR who can't catch. Their offensive line ain't that good, actually. I don't know where you got that idea. And, they are so bad a quarterback they called Kerry Collins off the couch.

C'mon. This team sucks. The Colts are the worst team in the league.

Yes if Manning would've played, it would've probably been a different story, but come on! They have been to the playoffs 9 yrs in a row for a reason.

And now you can see why Manning won so many MVPs during his career.

Ben and the receivers are looking pretty spectacular lately

:doh:

Mike Wallace has looked good.......other than that, I have no idea WTF you're talking about.

The Steelers have a HOF QB and a group of amazing receivers- they need to air it out.

Whether or not Ben will make the HOF, he has absolutley not even looked like an above average quarterback this season. I don't care how many Super Bowls he managed to win by free-loading off a Dick Lebeau defense, he cannot even carry this team to victory against the Colts without counting on TP to bail him out.

They're only shot on offense is to learn to run left every once in a while, give the ball to Redman, and pass off of play action.

Fire Arians
09-26-2011, 04:23 PM
antonio brown looked good as well. he had a few big first down grabs, and some really good punt returns (which our offense did a bad job of capitalizing on)

cloppbeast
09-26-2011, 04:26 PM
antonio brown looked good as well. he had a few big first down grabs, and some really good punt returns (which our offense did a bad job of capitalizing on)

He looks good on special teams. I do recall him dropping a pass, though.

I would love more than anything to see him get the ball on those bubble screens instead of #86. Let's get Hines to 1000 catches and then put him on the bench and get Brown on the field.

Fire Arians
09-26-2011, 04:34 PM
He looks good on special teams. I do recall him dropping a pass, though.

I would love more than anything to see him get the ball on those bubble screens instead of #86. Let's get Hines to 1000 catches and then put him on the bench and get Brown on the field.

i thought he had a good outing as a WR too. 4 catches for 75 yards, and I think every reception resulted in a 1st down.

agree with the bubble screen though. ward is our best blocking WR, maybe sstill the best blocking WR in the NFL. use him where he's best (blocking), and throw it to our best open field runner, which might be brown.

Atlanta Dan
09-26-2011, 04:38 PM
i thought he had a good outing as a WR too. 4 catches for 75 yards, and I think every reception resulted in a 1st down. .

And after every first down catch it resulted in Brown channeling Santonio Holmes and pointing forward:chuckle: I wish Tomlin would tell him to lose that

I agree with those who say Brown should pass Sanders (who had a drop on the first drive and screwed up by leaping over the DB after the late first half INT by Ben) on the depth chart

DanRooney
09-26-2011, 05:05 PM
And after every first down catch it resulted in Brown channeling Santonio Holmes and pointing forward:chuckle: I wish Tomlin would tell him to lose that

I agree with those who say Brown should pass Sanders (who had a drop on the first drive and screwed up by leaping over the DB after the late first half INT by Ben) on the depth chart

I personally like it. Its that confidence that made Santonio so clutch.

steelfury02
09-26-2011, 07:42 PM
Sooooo - anyone feel better about our chances against Patriots? Looking very beatable all of a sudden because they are getting utterly scored on.

Fire Arians
09-26-2011, 07:54 PM
until our offense can start scoring and not turning the ball over, no.

tanda10506
09-26-2011, 08:41 PM
Sooooo - anyone feel better about our chances against Patriots? Looking very beatable all of a sudden because they are getting utterly scored on.

I have faith in this team, that they can pull it together and start playing Steelers football. Right now though, seeing what I saw last night, we won't beat anybody, maybe some bottom feeders. We might have a better chance with our defense vs their offense then last game IF our defense is playing how they were that time last year simply because we should know what to look for. But the problem is we will have to score still, and with this O line we can't. No running game, which I put 75% on the O line, and zero time. We have one of the best QB's in the league, one of the best TE's in football and maybe the best receiving corps in football and we still struggle passing because of this line. Without the line "patched up" I don't see us beating any quality team, and I think we are a long way from beating a top team. I say patched up because I think we can get the line good enough with just adding one more player, Adams. We have a great center, Gilbert looks like he's going to play well, our guards (Kemo and Foster, not Legursky) aren't great but we can get by with them, we just need a good blindside tackle and we can win correctly again. It won't be a great line by any means, but we've one with lines similar to the quality of the line I described.

steelerjim58
09-27-2011, 12:47 AM
Sooooo - anyone feel better about our chances against Patriots? Looking very beatable all of a sudden because they are getting utterly scored on.

Sure they look beatable if your offense can put up 40 points and have the ball last. If the Steelers come out from jump with 5 wide no huddle and commit to it, they have a chance. On d jam the midget welker as hard as they legally can at los and send Harrison and Woodley on every down. Neither of them should ever drop into coverage.

PhantomJB93
09-27-2011, 01:05 AM
Sooooo - anyone feel better about our chances against Patriots? Looking very beatable all of a sudden because they are getting utterly scored on.

Personally I feel worse because every time they lose like that they just come back 20x stronger the next week

tony hipchest
09-27-2011, 02:11 AM
Right now though, seeing what I saw last night, we won't beat anybody, maybe some bottom feeders. We might have a better chance with our defense vs their offense then last game IF our defense is playing how they were that time last year simply because we should know what to look for. But the problem is we will have to score still, and with this O line we can't. No running game, which I put 75% on the O line, and zero time. We have one of the best QB's in the league, one of the best TE's in football and maybe the best receiving corps in football and we still struggle passing because of this line. Without the line "patched up" I don't see us beating any quality team, and I think we are a long way from beating a top team. I say patched up because I think we can get the line good enough with just adding one more player, Adams. We have a great center, Gilbert looks like he's going to play well, our guards (Kemo and Foster, not Legursky) aren't great but we can get by with them, we just need a good blindside tackle and we can win correctly again. It won't be a great line by any means, but we've one with lines similar to the quality of the line I described.

people said the EXACT same thing in '08 after the eagles game, and then again last year when we got beat by the saints and patriots.

that still didnt prevent us from going to the superbowl.

and whats with this struggle in the passing game? so far wallace has the 2nd most yards of any receiver and ben is ranked 6th in total yards passing just behind the likes of brady, brees, stafford and rivers (of course he has 10 or more fewer attempts than all of them.)

his 63% comp isnt the greatest but is still respectable. he is pretty much right where he has been for his entire career when having a good season, which is championship calibur qb'ing.

is he gonna get killed aned suffer a career ending injury? of course he is, just like he was since he headbutted a moving crown victoria.

but until that time gets here, he just keeps on keeping on and doing what he has been doing, which for the most part, is winning games and going to superbowls.

his 3 td total for the year is abysmal, but then again, this offense isnt designed for him to have more than 2 td's in a game (unless 1 is on a scramble).

cloppbeast
09-27-2011, 08:34 AM
people said the EXACT same thing in '08 after the eagles game, and then again last year when we got beat by the saints and patriots.

I didn't.....

The then eagles, saints, patriots, giants don't compare to the colts, the seahawks. Big difference.


that still didnt prevent us from going to the superbowl.

Well, you have established we could make the Super Bowl. Mathmatically, we haven't been eliminated, so you're correct.

Is it likley? No.

and whats with this struggle in the passing game? so far wallace has the 2nd most yards of any receiver and ben is ranked 6th in total yards passing just behind the likes of brady, brees, stafford and rivers (of course he has 10 or more fewer attempts than all of them.)

Throwing for yards is meaningless, and a overrated a statistic in football.

Teams throw the ball to score points, not to rack up yards. Brady, Brees, Stafford haven't just thrown for yards, they've thrown for points. For all of those yards, the Steelers don't have many points to show for it.

his 63% comp isnt the greatest but is still respectable. he is pretty much right where he has been for his entire career when having a good season, which is championship calibur qb'ing.

Championship caliber with the right pieces in place, namely a dominant defense. I don't see a dominant defense.

They could change some things around, I guess. We'll see.

his 3 td total for the year is abysmal, but then again, this offense isnt designed for him to have more than 2 td's in a game (unless 1 is on a scramble).

I'm sorry, I don't believe that. This offense is designed for Ben to throw as many TD passes as he can. Apparently, he can only throw 3 in 3 games.

GMU Steeler
09-27-2011, 10:56 AM
It's a marathon- not how you start but how you finish. I agree the team needs work and definitely improvement but sky is falling bs gets old when we all have seen this team respond before. With the exception of 2009 this is a team that usually gets better as the year goes on . Hopefully we see some changes this week against the Texans since I think they are by far the biggest challenge that our D has had to deal with thus far.

tony hipchest
09-27-2011, 04:05 PM
I didn't.....

The then eagles, saints, patriots, giants don't compare to the colts, the seahawks. Big difference.


im sure the saints thought there was a big difference as well, right before the seahawks bounced them from the playoffs 4 games ago.



Well, you have established we could make the Super Bowl. Mathmatically, we haven't been eliminated, so you're correct.

Is it likley? No.

when was the last time it was considered "likely" that the steelers would reach the superbowl? 06 and 09? past records indicate its not likely that the packers, patriots, jets, saints, chargers, ravens, etc reach it, as well.



Throwing for yards is meaningless, and a overrated a statistic in football.

Teams throw the ball to score points, not to rack up yards. Brady, Brees, Stafford haven't just thrown for yards, they've thrown for points. For all of those yards, the Steelers don't have many points to show for it.

throwing for yards cant be meaningless if teams throw the ball to score points. wallace had the longest touchdown of his career last sunday. how is that any more meaningless than the 2 yard td he caught the week before?



Championship caliber with the right pieces in place, namely a dominant defense. I don't see a dominant defense.

They could change some things around, I guess. We'll see.

of course youre not gonna see a dominant defense. you cant even recognize their defensive stats. all stats to you are meaningless. i saw 2 defensive mvp's ( one being 1 of the most dominant defenders since reggie white, d. sanders, and lawrence talor on sunday



I'm sorry, I don't believe that. This offense is designed for Ben to throw as many TD passes as he can. Apparently, he can only throw 3 in 3 games.

:bs: you believe some really strange stuff then. manning and bradys offens is designed to throw as many td's as possible.

bens offense is (and has always been) designed to get a 14-21 point lead and then take the air out of the ball.

i guess i really dont care if you believe it, but it would bug me if other people bought this spew. the proof is in the pudding, and the facts are undeniable.

do the research. how many times has ben thrown for more than 3 td's in a game during his 8 year career? i can count 1 off hand (5td's vs ravens in 1st half). what happened in the 2nd half? ben had 3 throws. the steelers turtle shell'd it.

he mighta had 4 vs green bay.

they take their foot off the throttle (unlike offenses designed to let the qb throw for as many ts's as possible). it almost cost us a playoff win in indy in 05.

take a look at every game where ben has had a 140.0-158.3 passer rating. off hand, im quickly thinking of vs titans and texans in 05 and vs chiefs in o6. they build a sizable lead and then the 2nd half is comprised of 5 possessions of run-run-run-punt.

of course i'm exaggerating a bit, but anyone who follows the steelers knows thats exactly how their offense is, and has been dating back to cowher.

and why wouldnt it be? cowher only had an elite qb for the 1st 3 years of bens career, and he never lost a game using that philosophy with a 10 point lead. he was like

Men of Steel
09-27-2011, 06:12 PM
but they still have maybe the best DE combo in the NFL (who faced maybe the worst OT combo in the NFL), .


dude, u hit the nail on the head.

for that fact alone, we should have lost.

but they found a way to win...

that is all.