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BIGNASTY91
09-30-2011, 10:17 AM
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/s_759292.html

Its the same thing we have all been saying on here! Why cant the team realize what everybody else does????????:noidea:

madtowndrunkard
09-30-2011, 10:56 AM
Good article.... well said.

Tomlin needs to start acting like a Head Coach and tell his O-coordinator to do his job or he'll find someone else to do it.


Knowing Tomlin's style it will take a couple more bad losses before he makes changes.

NEWstevo
09-30-2011, 11:45 AM
Prime example of typical glass is half empty BS.

Everything in this article is right, yet somehow these Steelers still go to every other Super Bowl, usually winning it all. No other OC can say that. Maybe they go undefeated and win the last four Super Bowls with a good o-line and better OC. But then again, without Bruce Arians maybe they don't even make the playoffs 4 years in a row. Who knows.

But so many of us forget how good the Pittsburgh Steelers have been for decades, inspite of 31 other teams trying to accomplish the same thing, some with better talent and "better" OC.

I guess its just much more fun (for the media and fans) creating drama and complaining about things, instead of just enjoying the game and our team. Hell, at my work (here in Pittsburgh) you'd a though our Steelers lost last week, they way everyone was putting them down.

Not me. Go Steelers!

kirklandrules
09-30-2011, 12:13 PM
Prime example of typical glass is half empty BS.

Everything in this article is right, yet somehow these Steelers still go to every other Super Bowl, usually winning it all. No other OC can say that. Maybe they go undefeated and win the last four Super Bowls with a good o-line and better OC. But then again, without Bruce Arians maybe they don't even make the playoffs 4 years in a row. Who knows.

But so many of us forget how good the Pittsburgh Steelers have been for decades, inspite of 31 other teams trying to accomplish the same thing, some with better talent and "better" OC.

I guess its just much more fun (for the media and fans) creating drama and complaining about things, instead of just enjoying the game and our team. Hell, at my work (here in Pittsburgh) you'd a though our Steelers lost last week, they way everyone was putting them down.

Not me. Go Steelers!

Maybe they'd be happier if the Steelers were more like the 18-1 Patriots? That team routed all opponents on their way to one of the best SB upsets since the Jets beat the Colts.

Third Rail
09-30-2011, 12:13 PM
I think it's just one of those things where you watch other teams rack up massive points against good opponents and then you see the Steelers just narrowly edge out a one-man team that is missing that one man.

I think we have a lot of talent on offense but for some reason we can't get it together and it's literally spirit crushing to watch a game. You see Ben throw a long bomb to start off a drive and it gets you excited. Then the O-Line lets him get sacked multiple times (on SCREEN passes). Or Mendenhall can't gain a single yard. Or Ben throws an INT. Or a receiver drops a surefire TD.

It's just disheartening. I'm glad they're 2-1 and maybe this will be the week that everything clicks. Sometimes that can happen against a good team... like in the 2009 season where we lost 5 straight to crap teams and then threw for 500 yards and beat the Packers.

Third Rail
09-30-2011, 12:14 PM
Maybe they'd be happier if the Steelers were more like the 18-1 Patriots? That team routed all opponents on their way to one of the best SB upsets since the Jets beat the Colts.

Yeah, I wouldn't be happy at all if we beat every single team in the regular season and coasted through the playoffs. What an awful thing that would be.

FanSince72
09-30-2011, 12:18 PM
Prime example of typical glass is half empty BS.

Everything in this article is right, yet somehow these Steelers still go to every other Super Bowl, usually winning it all. No other OC can say that. Maybe they go undefeated and win the last four Super Bowls with a good o-line and better OC. But then again, without Bruce Arians maybe they don't even make the playoffs 4 years in a row. Who knows.

But so many of us forget how good the Pittsburgh Steelers have been for decades, inspite of 31 other teams trying to accomplish the same thing, some with better talent and "better" OC.

I guess its just much more fun (for the media and fans) creating drama and complaining about things, instead of just enjoying the game and our team. Hell, at my work (here in Pittsburgh) you'd a though our Steelers lost last week, they way everyone was putting them down.

Not me. Go Steelers!


OK, I'll call your "glass half-empty" comment and raise you a "whistling through the graveyard".

Look, to me a "W" is a "W" and I'm all for being hopeful, but even I have to admit that we suck offensively - especially when you consider the talent we have.
Roethlisbergeer is one of the best QB's in the league yet he still makes bone-headed mistakes and frankly gets too arrogant too soon.

It's OK to to get a little full of yourself if you have a three or four score lead, but he seems to get that way far too early in games and it HAS cost us in the past.
You know, Bradshaw may have been that way to an extent, but HE had Swann and Stallworth along with a solid O-line and a Defense to die for -- plus he played in an era where it was possible to dictate terms.

But today's league is far different from those days. It's quicker and far more specialized and as such there is little time to step back and admire your work during a game especially if you follow a great pass with a high-school level fumble or pick.
Whether we should or shouldn't be scoring more isn't really the point. The point is that with the talent we have at the offensive skill positions, scoring frequently ought to be standard operating procedure yet scoring at all lately seems to be becoming more "miraculous" than standard and I don't care what kind of fan you are -- that simply HAS to bother you.

Hell, I've been a fan for just shy of forty years and it doesn't just bother me -- it pisses me off! Why are you willing to settle for what you're seeing now when you know as well as I that we're capable of so much more?
Would a pro golfer settle for a 200 yd. drive if he knew he could hit it 300?
Hell no!

So why settle for the Field-goal shootouts (kickouts?) if you know you can score touchdowns?
And if the reason why we can't score touchdowns isn't for lack of talent, then it MUST BE the game plan, so CHANGE THE GAME PLAN.

I love this team just as much as any fan and I'll never root against them and I'll take any win that comes our way but even I realize that we can do far better offensively and there HAS to be a reason why we're not.
So if that's true and if the people in charge don't take steps to correct that, then they should not be in charge anymore.

In short, I'm tired of hearing about the "Vaunted Steeler Defense".
I know we have a great "D" and it's what we're known for.

But I've known that for decades and I'd really like to see a "Vaunted Offense" for a change -- maybe even just a "pretty good", or consistent one at this point.

kirklandrules
09-30-2011, 01:56 PM
Yeah, I wouldn't be happy at all if we beat every single team in the regular season and coasted through the playoffs. What an awful thing that would be.

You forgot about the defeat in the SB. But that's fine, tell only the side of the story that makes your point. My point is that we have a team that may go up and down, but overall has great success (and has won more SBs in the last few years than the mighty Patricheats).

cloppbeast
09-30-2011, 02:38 PM
Yeah, I wouldn't be happy at all if we beat every single team in the regular season and coasted through the playoffs. What an awful thing that would be.

excruciating......lol

cloppbeast
09-30-2011, 02:48 PM
You forgot about the defeat in the SB.

Maybe you forgot about the Steelers defeat in the SB. :noidea:

But that's fine, tell only the side of the story that makes your point.

There seems to be a lot of that going on around here......

My point is that we have a team that may go up and down, but overall has great success (and has won more SBs in the last few years than the mighty Patricheats).

I agree. We have had great success. Certainly in the playoffs, the past few seasons we have experienced more success than the Patriots.

We're talking about this season, not the last few seasons......

Anyway.....there's no point arguing on this thread about the Steelers past success, because we're talking about this offense. This offense sucks, at least it has sucked the past 3 games. You can't deny it. Hopefully it will improve.

kirklandrules
09-30-2011, 02:58 PM
Maybe you forgot about the Steelers defeat in the SB. :noidea:

Not at all, but my point was that the Steelers have had more success winning championships than a team that always looks undefeatable in the regular season.


This offense sucks, at least it has sucked the past 3 games. You can't deny it. Hopefully it will improve.
Totally agree with that. It's a long season and somehow I take comfort in knowing that the Steelers have sucked real bad on offense and still have a 2-1 record ... even if the opponents are not top quality, it beats being 0-3.

cloppbeast
09-30-2011, 03:05 PM
I take comfort in knowing that the Steelers have sucked real bad on offense and still have a 2-1 record ... even if the opponents are not top quality, it beats being 0-3.

I'm not real sure how to take it in. It all depends on how the rest of the season goes. If we go 10-6 and squeeze into the play-offs, yes I would take comfort in our 2-1 record, retrospectively. If we go 6-10 and miss the playoffs, our 2-1 record doesn't mean anything; it's no consolation. In fact, these 2 wins would have moved us back a few spots in the draft, and we would probably miss the opportunity to trade up to get Andrew Luck.

Steelerfreak58
09-30-2011, 03:50 PM
This team will be lucky to limp into the playoffs. The schedule looks pretty weak besides the pats and ravens but then again "unleash hell" can haunt a team...

Third Rail
09-30-2011, 04:40 PM
You forgot about the defeat in the SB. But that's fine, tell only the side of the story that makes your point. My point is that we have a team that may go up and down, but overall has great success (and has won more SBs in the last few years than the mighty Patricheats).

And I think you're forgetting that the Steelers just lost a Super Bowl. Does that make last season a failure?

Look, I gloated like hell when the Pats choked in the Super Bowl, because I hate them as much as you do. But it doesn't take away from the fact that they played well that entire year (and kicked the Steelers' asses, I might add). So if Pittsburgh were to go out and level every damned team for an entire season but choke in the SB or somewhere else in the post-season, I think I could live with that, as opposed to seeing them lose games they should have won here and there or possibly miss the playoffs altogether.

steelfury02
10-01-2011, 01:15 PM
Three things:

1. Because of the Steelers' overall success over the past decade - you can't deny everyone is playing us like it is their Super Bowl or a statement game. They want to prove they can beat the contender/champ. This team has never thrived after winning Super Bowls. And while we are 2-1 now, just look at the post-SB 43 season. We started off like 6-2 and then collapsed.

2. The flip side to that is you can argue things either way. You can come out and say Green Bay looks unbeatable and are 3-0 in impressive fasion, they look even better than last season, :blah:. they have the mental toughness to repeat or make it back to the show. Or - you can say it is only the beginning of the season and they will peter off at the end while the Steelers will get slowly better and are battle tested.

3. If the offense doesn't gel - nothing else will matter.

plenewken
10-02-2011, 09:11 AM
With the OL we have and with Ben moving as slowly as he does and needing at least 5 or 6 seconds to throw an half-accurate pass into coverage, I don't see the Steelers being a factor this year.
Stats don't lie. Subtract the pts scored by our defense and special teams and you'll see that our offense ranked in the bottom tier of the NFL in terms of points scored pretty much every season since Arians coaches it.
The Steelers's defense has been carrying the team for several years. If its production drops, it'll be a short football season in the Burgh.