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Whodis
10-02-2011, 07:19 PM
I was listening to the post game (Tim Benz?). When anyone bitches about Bruce Arians or the play calling he counters with "what about that horrible defense!"

So a simple question to any one here.

In what game would 10 points win?

As pissed off as i am about the defensive effort, I am almost ceratin defensive adjustments will be made next game. The question is what will be done on offense? Anyone like the no-huddle, 3 step drops or that fullback that was helping our depleted o-line?

Tomlin should be held responsible is he can't get more points on the board.

pete74
10-02-2011, 07:22 PM
our offensive line is a joke. Pouncey even looked like shit. the entire line is a complete joke and with the exception of Pouncey not a single one of them would start on any other team. we should of kept Urbik, he looks better then anyone on our line. most college teams would eat our offensive line up anyday of the week

SteelCityMom
10-02-2011, 07:29 PM
Well...the defense hasn't exactly been stellar yet this year. If they plan on making adjustments, I'd hope they would do it soon.

In past years I've been guilty of giving the D a pass. This year though, they are just as bad as the offense. It's a whole team effort IMO...and the whole team (coaches on down) have been underperforming.

To your main question....In today's NFL, 10 points doesn't guarantee or even come close to getting you a win. You HAVE to have a decent offense.

pete74
10-02-2011, 07:33 PM
the defenst is really bad to. we went so long without giving up 100 yards to a rb and now we did it twice in 4 games and one broke 150.

Steeldude
10-02-2011, 07:45 PM
IMO, the defense lacks a leader. someone vocal to keep people in line(assignments) and energized. i am not talking about a fool like porter. he was a joke. they need an intelligent player ala lambert etc... the defense looks lost as does the offense. i think lebeau is done. arians is a buffoon and always has been one. is it me or do his plays take too long to develop? i can't say i watched every play closely or every WR, but were there any quick slants? seems to me when they did run one it was positive. on the sequence before the half(i think before the half) it was another classic example of arians going for the home run on each play. if it wasn't arians that called it then whoever did was lost.

cloppbeast
10-02-2011, 07:59 PM
IMO, the defense lacks a leader. someone vocal to keep people in line(assignments) and energized. i am not talking about a fool like porter. he was a joke. they need an intelligent player ala lambert etc

They haven't had a vocal leader since Porter left and it hasn't held them back before.

I think the d-line has expired. I haven't seen a Steelers defense get pushed around like this since Maddox was QB.

Goldsteel86
10-02-2011, 08:01 PM
Reading what I have read all the points are valid, however, if you played defense for the Steelers, how would you love to know that no matter your effort, the offense can't score. Honestly, the Defense won the game last week, they pitched a shutout against the Seahawks after getting destroyed by the Ravens, these guys have played better football than that of the Offense. After all, at the end of the day the "D" held the Texans to zero points in the 2nd half, it is what it is. Now it is time to realize, the Offense can't execute, I totally blame that on the OC, he is ultimately responsible for the Offense, he please keep in mind, is also responsible for the personnel that are designated to play!!!!

Steel4ever95
10-02-2011, 08:11 PM
The Steelers just look lost on both sides of the ball, they seem to play with zero emotion. The Offense looked downright terrible in the first half and thats being nice. I thought the offense started to look decent in the 2nd half, and there was a something of a running game. Not sure if it is just me but did it seem like the Steelers were pulling there guards a lot more when they ran the ball in the 2nd half? I thought they had something going there for sure when they were pulling the guards, they almost broke a couple big runs off for a td in one drive, to bad almost dosent count.

Steeldude
10-02-2011, 08:12 PM
They haven't had a vocal leader since Porter left and it hasn't held them back before.

I think the d-line has expired. I haven't seen a Steelers defense get pushed around like this since Maddox was QB.

porter was a fool who embarrassed himself too often with his mouth. by vocal leader i mean someone intelligent, not someone who screams nonsense that no one can understand.

i agree the D-line is done. hopefully the youth can take over shortly, but they need direction. i don't see anyone on the team being able to supply it.

Steeldude
10-02-2011, 08:14 PM
I totally blame that on the OC, he is ultimately responsible for the Offense, he please keep in mind, is also responsible for the personnel that are designated to pla

don't you know it's never the fault of arians.

SteelCityMom
10-02-2011, 08:21 PM
don't you know it's never the fault of arians.

Do you mean never Arians fault in the sense that we have an entire thread dedicated (and stickied) to firing Arians?

Where do you get this notion that people here don't blame the offense?

cubanstogie
10-02-2011, 08:25 PM
there is no scapegoat today. Ben sucked, Mendy sucked, D line sucked bad. Oline sucked bad except for maybe 2 drives and even Troy and Woodley were just a step to slow a couple of times. Tomlin and BA sucked. I am starting to think of Tomlin as Herm Edwards. Just a motivator. Lets face it he inherited most of his players. Deer in the headlights many times this season. Redman was the bright spot. He ran behind the same line as the excuse maker Mendy and ran north to south without stutter stepping. Did Hines Ward play in this game.? I still think things can turn around, only because I have been a Steelers fan for 40 years and they usually do. But we need to make a trade or do something about the line. I have no problem getting rid of BA but hardly think it will help right now.

Steel4ever95
10-02-2011, 08:41 PM
there is no scapegoat today. Ben sucked, Mendy sucked,

Ehhh not to sure about Ben sucking, its kinda hard to suck when your running for your life. I agree that Mendenhall sucked it up today, and Ive been holding out hope that he will turn it around, I think he is a talented back but he just needs to get to playing some smashmouth football.

Rockonsteel
10-02-2011, 09:01 PM
Reading what I have read all the points are valid, however, if you played defense for the Steelers, how would you love to know that no matter your effort, the offense can't score. Honestly, the Defense won the game last week, they pitched a shutout against the Seahawks after getting destroyed by the Ravens, these guys have played better football than that of the Offense. After all, at the end of the day the "D" held the Texans to zero points in the 2nd half, it is what it is. Now it is time to realize, the Offense can't execute, I totally blame that on the OC, he is ultimately responsible for the Offense, he please keep in mind, is also responsible for the personnel that are designated to play!!!!

Actually, Arians ripped off that long TD run in the 4th quarter, so they didn't give up zero points in the second half. What they did have, was zero sacks and zero turnovers the entire game. Not a good look at all. This whole team stinks right now. :banging:



Rockon

Rockonsteel
10-02-2011, 09:04 PM
there is no scapegoat today. Ben sucked, Mendy sucked, D line sucked bad. Oline sucked bad except for maybe 2 drives and even Troy and Woodley were just a step to slow a couple of times. Tomlin and BA sucked. I am starting to think of Tomlin as Herm Edwards. Just a motivator. Lets face it he inherited most of his players. Deer in the headlights many times this season. Redman was the bright spot. He ran behind the same line as the excuse maker Mendy and ran north to south without stutter stepping. Did Hines Ward play in this game.? I still think things can turn around, only because I have been a Steelers fan for 40 years and they usually do. But we need to make a trade or do something about the line. I have no problem getting rid of BA but hardly think it will help right now.

It for damn sure can't hurt. I mean what's the worse that could happen, the offense struggles to score and looks embarrassingly amateurish?


Rockon

tony hipchest
10-02-2011, 09:43 PM
. by vocal leader i mean someone intelligent, not someone who screams nonsense that no one can understand.

.that player has always been farrior, who is now splitting time and ridin the pine. if you listen to some here, the leadership you speak of is overrated, and sylvester should be wearing the captains helmet mic.

grward
10-02-2011, 11:03 PM
The Steelers just look lost on both sides of the ball, they seem to play with zero emotion. The Offense looked downright terrible in the first half and thats being nice. I thought the offense started to look decent in the 2nd half, and there was a something of a running game. Not sure if it is just me but did it seem like the Steelers were pulling there guards a lot more when they ran the ball in the 2nd half? I thought they had something going there for sure when they were pulling the guards, they almost broke a couple big runs off for a td in one drive, to bad almost dosent count.

They were all just emulating their head coach. ZERO emotion.

tony hipchest
10-02-2011, 11:35 PM
:shout: - FIRE TOMLIN!!!

:jerkit:

ZoneBlitzer
10-02-2011, 11:41 PM
The sole reason for today's loss is on the offense. The Steelers do not have a modern day 2011 offense. They have a pop gun offense that operates in fits and spurts. The defense is finally bankrupt and are incapable of cashing the bouncing cheques from the O. It is time that the O lead this team for a change.

CALSTEELER88
10-02-2011, 11:48 PM
the numbers don't lie...Ben has been able to deflect the truth for sometime now with his size and ability to run and extend plays but the bottom line is he, Ben, gets sacked way to much. Why? Answer, O'Line. You can't pass or run without a decent O line. Yes, if you have a QB who is 6'4'' and 2something he'll buy you sometime but eventually the truth will catch up to you. If you can't put points on the board you can't always depend on the defense. Speaking of, they didn't look that great either.

SteelCityMom
10-03-2011, 08:22 AM
The sole reason for today's loss is on the offense. The Steelers do not have a modern day 2011 offense. They have a pop gun offense that operates in fits and spurts. The defense is finally bankrupt and are incapable of cashing the bouncing cheques from the O. It is time that the O lead this team for a change.

The sole reason? Really? Lol...not even close. They are certainly part of the reason, and they certainly sucked, but were you even watching the game when the defense was on the field? It was a nightmare. No run pressure, no pass pressure either...the only bright spot on the day were the penalties on the Texans, or it would have been 31-10 (or more).

The defense was also on the field first, before the offense ever was (until the first quarter was almost over), and allowed a long, drawn out, TD drive right off the bat. So, while in the past you may have had a point, in the here and now, your point (about bouncing checks or whatever) isn't really that valid. The only Steelers TO came in the last seconds of the game from a hail mary bomb. Yes, the offense needs a lot of changes...but they are not the reason the defense has been horrible so far this year.

Absolutely abysmal on all sides of the ball. The sole reason for the loss last night was everyone sucked. Period.

BIGNASTY91
10-03-2011, 09:16 AM
When the offense ends the first half with a time of possesion around 5 mins os so( give or take) The defense has no choice but to be tired and worn out. Im not standing up for the defense because they have there problems also, But if the O-Line could protect Ben and allow them to stay on the field a little longer than 3 snaps before the D comes back out on the field, The D might look a lil better. The O-Line has got to give Ben some time in the pocket. We saw it yesterday after halftime. If they can halfass protect him they can move the ball. The coaching staff needs to man up and admit they have a problem, and begin trying to get this thing turned around!!!!
:banging: :banging: :banging:

Steelerindc
10-03-2011, 10:02 AM
I think after this year "WhiZ" will be available for a OC job. Do you think he would be good back here as an OC?

cubanstogie
10-04-2011, 08:19 PM
I think after this year "WhiZ" will be available for a OC job. Do you think he would be good back here as an OC?

what about head coach. BA gets all the blame and LeBeau gets all the credit. Both deserve what they get for the most part. So I ask what exactly is Tomlin responsible for. I see him as Herm Edwards. A motivator thats it. I have seen more mistakes in managing games and throwing the red flag than great moves. Redman coming in last week was a good move then it turns out it was due to injury so not really a coaches decision. I am not saying fire him, I am just kinda of wondering out loud why Tomlin gets a pass and Arians is to blame for out terrible offense and O line. Lets face it, if Tomlin wanted to run an offense with a FB or didn't like the bubble screen to Hines, or didn't like the empty backfield on goal line situations( I could go on) then he would over rule BA and run things like he wanted, I presume. If a move is not made for an O lineman he is in denial.

ricardisimo
10-04-2011, 08:53 PM
what about head coach. BA gets all the blame and LeBeau gets all the credit. Both deserve what they get for the most part. So I ask what exactly is Tomlin responsible for. I see him as Herm Edwards. A motivator thats it. I have seen more mistakes in managing games and throwing the red flag than great moves. Redman coming in last week was a good move then it turns out it was due to injury so not really a coaches decision. I am not saying fire him, I am just kinda of wondering out loud why Tomlin gets a pass and Arians is to blame for out terrible offense and O line. Lets face it, if Tomlin wanted to run an offense with a FB or didn't like the bubble screen to Hines, or didn't like the empty backfield on goal line situations( I could go on) then he would over rule BA and run things like he wanted, I presume. If a move is not made for an O lineman he is in denial.
Yes and no. Tomlin can shuffle the deck he is given, but that deck is determined largely (if not exclusively) by Colbert. Ain't nothing he can do now about the O-line.

We have a substantial body of evidence regarding Dick Lebeau which tells us that his unit will get things straightened out before too long. With Lebeau one sees both consistency and a willingness to make adjustments. What one comes to expect from his units are sustained periods of dominance.

On the other hand, when was the last time you can recall the offense stringing together more than two, maybe three convincing performances all in a row? It is absolutely flabbergasting! There's a reason Arians can't put a similar sort of track record together: he doesn't really know what he's doing.

Ultimately it's on Tomlin, true. If his coaches cannot be held accountable (and it would appear they cannot) then neither should his players. How bad did things have to get with Shitthebedsky before he got fired? Is that really how bad Arians needs to be just to get canned?

BKAnthem
10-06-2011, 08:16 AM
Tomlin deserves to get as long a leasch as Cowher...but he needs to put his foot down more...On his OC or fire him and especially on his GM...Cowher always had influence in the draft room and on the field....Tomlin after two SB appearances still has no sway? at least as reported by some on here.....there is no reason why he shouldn't have the same Juice as Cowher did, and seeing what he sees on the field demand better drafting on the OLine and secondary....