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BlaZeQuietly
10-08-2011, 12:52 PM
2-3 starring pitt right in the face? Our defense noticeably old and weak and beat up and slow, can't stop the run. Our offensive line is going to get big ben killed. It's a mess. I've seen this team overcome adversity before like starting last season with out big ben, not having polamolu for a good chunk of the season... I think this week is the tipping point for the 2011-2012 Steelers, unable to beat the ravens or the texans, barely able the beat the colts??? I think pitt needs to make a statement against Tennessee, they gotta give redman the ball and hes gotta run really fast, really often, I just have a bad feeling about these guys, they are no longer a fun team to watch, they only have a few big plays each game and its always a hail marry that wallace tracks down, 1 turn over this year? whats going on? is it time to rebuild? Maybe we should enter the andrew luck sweepstakes, and draft and trade for an entire new young defense and let them gel for a few years? or should we let this old horse keep runnin:noidea:

finesward
10-08-2011, 01:04 PM
This is the new passing NFL leauge and we have a gunslinger and young talented receivers in Wallace brown sanders. Build a decent oline through draft next couple of years and we will be able to compete. Young d line ends in place. No need to panic and clean house. Have we grown so used to dominating that being a team with problems is so horrible they should quit and throw away a season to draft a qb that hasn't played. DOwn in the NFL? Ughhhh this is getting old with the panic threads. Make a sticky and be done with it already!

steelerjim58
10-08-2011, 01:11 PM
Working on the assumption that Heyward, Worilds and Sylvester will be ready to make significant contributions next year {and I know that is a huge assumption}, There is not much wrong with this team that one strong draft could not fix. Address the o-line in the first two rounds if possible, and middle lb in 3-4. As much as I like Clark, more speed there would be nice.

BlaZeQuietly
10-08-2011, 01:12 PM
heh

tanda10506
10-08-2011, 01:44 PM
No it's not. As mentioned, we are set at most positions now and in the future, just need to get an o line. Probably not going to win it this year, but if we at least will get one really good FA o lineman and draft a good one too, we will be right back where we were before this season.

Goldsteel86
10-08-2011, 01:48 PM
2-3 starring pitt right in the face? Our defense noticeably old and weak and beat up and slow, can't stop the run. Our offensive line is going to get big ben killed. It's a mess. I've seen this team overcome adversity before like starting last season with out big ben, not having polamolu for a good chunk of the season... I think this week is the tipping point for the 2011-2012 Steelers, unable to beat the ravens or the texans, barely able the beat the colts??? I think pitt needs to make a statement against Tennessee, they gotta give redman the ball and hes gotta run really fast, really often, I just have a bad feeling about these guys, they are no longer a fun team to watch, they only have a few big plays each game and its always a hail marry that wallace tracks down, 1 turn over this year? whats going on? is it time to rebuild? Maybe we should enter the andrew luck sweepstakes, and draft and trade for an entire new young defense and let them gel for a few years? or should we let this old horse keep runnin:noidea:

Are you serious????? Let me see here, having to open three of you first four games on the road???? No matter what the caliber of team this is no way to have to open the season, need I remind you they weren't in easy places to play either. Now, not trying to make excuses but there was a lockout, even the players assumed that would run long into the season, ever heard of game speed, conditioning? This was a team that was one turnover from winning the SB last year from a team that is now 4-0 this year. Please an era over, no this Sunday I think the era continues and another begins, the one thing the Steelers have done well is draft for the future ala, Wallace, Sanders and Brown, era over, not quite yet, not in Steel Town.

WickedSteel
10-08-2011, 02:33 PM
Are you serious????? Let me see here, having to open three of you first four games on the road???? No matter what the caliber of team this is no way to have to open the season, need I remind you they weren't in easy places to play either. Now, not trying to make excuses but there was a lockout, even the players assumed that would run long into the season, ever heard of game speed, conditioning? This was a team that was one turnover from winning the SB last year from a team that is now 4-0 this year. Please an era over, no this Sunday I think the era continues and another begins, the one thing the Steelers have done well is draft for the future ala, Wallace, Sanders and Brown, era over, not quite yet, not in Steel Town.

Keep up with the homerism dude. I could care less about Wallace, Sanders and Brown right now because they are not able to contribute thanks to a swiss cheese O line. Sure injury problems really shot the O line to hell but they were bad to begin with.

Right now the best teams in the NFL could care less about defense. The Patriots D stinks and yet they still manage to hang 30+ on an opponent every week and outshoot them. They do this without big name players either. Welker, Woodhead, Branch, Steven freaking Ridley, etc. Bellichick has built a very effective O line to protect Brady and has a gameplan that allows them to basically plug in Joe blow at any given position and make him effective. The Saints D isn't the greatest yet they manage to have success year in and year out because of a good O line once again and a gameplan that keeps the ball moving by getting it out of the QBs hand in a hurry. Same goes for many other strong offensive teams like the Texans, Lions and the Chargers.

As much as I like a strong defensive team, things are changing. Offense is the order of the day and you don't have to worry about high paid defenders when you can just out score the opponent. Manning and the Colts did it for years. The best defense is a good offense nowadays. If you have an offense that can move the ball down the field, dinking and dunking and taking time off the clock, then you keep the ball out of your opponents hands, not allowing them to score on you.

It's a combination of bad play on BOTH sides of the line of scrimmage and poor play calling.

ricardisimo
10-08-2011, 02:35 PM
Yes. It's over. You can all go away now.

FanSince72
10-08-2011, 02:56 PM
I think it's a question of identity more than anything else.

We have the tools and even with some aging vets we still have a solid roster overall.
What we're lacking is a clear definition of "who" we are. Are we a running team? A passing team? A West Coast team? A hybrid?

I think we can be any of those things but someone needs to decide which it's going to be and then set about to sculpt the team in that image and design it to work as efficiently as possible to that end.

Right now it seems as if we don't do anything particularly well and it sometimes seems as if the offensive game plan consists of Arians entering a room with a dartboard in it that has a bunch of plays written on it and a half-hour later he comes out with his plan (if it can be called a plan).

I really think that he, Tomlin, Ben and the rest of the offensive group need to sit down and have a no-holds-barred discussion of just what type of team they want to have and then work on ways to make that happen.
Right now it just seems as if Arians is making it up as he goes and that's not working.

Goldsteel86
10-08-2011, 03:13 PM
Keep up with the homerism dude. I could care less about Wallace, Sanders and Brown right now because they are not able to contribute thanks to a swiss cheese O line. Sure injury problems really shot the O line to hell but they were bad to begin with.

Right now the best teams in the NFL could care less about defense. The Patriots D stinks and yet they still manage to hang 30+ on an opponent every week and outshoot them. They do this without big name players either. Welker, Woodhead, Branch, Steven freaking Ridley, etc. Bellichick has built a very effective O line to protect Brady and has a gameplan that allows them to basically plug in Joe blow at any given position and make him effective. The Saints D isn't the greatest yet they manage to have success year in and year out because of a good O line once again and a gameplan that keeps the ball moving by getting it out of the QBs hand in a hurry. Same goes for many other strong offensive teams like the Texans, Lions and the Chargers.

As much as I like a strong defensive team, things are changing. Offense is the order of the day and you don't have to worry about high paid defenders when you can just out score the opponent. Manning and the Colts did it for years. The best defense is a good offense nowadays. If you have an offense that can move the ball down the field, dinking and dunking and taking time off the clock, then you keep the ball out of your opponents hands, not allowing them to score on you.

It's a combination of bad play on BOTH sides of the line of scrimmage and poor play calling.

Really??? Lets model the Steelers after the Patriots, I would rather see the Steelers do it fairly, however you and Bellicheat can have it the way you want it, I'll stick to my heroism!!!!!

Rotorhead
10-08-2011, 03:24 PM
Our Oline is one player (LT) and a couple of injuries away from being fine. Draft a decent guard, get a FA tackle, preferrable left and keep gilbert at rt and we have a LT, Kemo (not great but will work between Pouncey and a above avg LT, drafted Guard and Gilbert. Our Def is fine, why cant ppl see we ar focusing on stopping passing attacks this season, which we are. Aside from a bad play by Woodley, Foster didnt kill us and we stopped a pretty potent passing attack. We could use a bit more youth at ILB an maybe more speed at safety (although Clark is nice to have IMHO). I honestly believe given the injuries and moron OC we are fine. If our Oline can stay with one line up for the forseable future we will make he playoffs. 3 or 4 different lines in as many games is a big issue. And why is it that fans who prefer to be optimistic are just Homers? I chose to look at the bright side. We have alot of youth coming into there own and going to get more and more playing time. Our biggest issue last season seems to have been addressed as our secondary is much better. Smack airhead arians in the head and we start winning these games. We are 1-2 botched playes from being 3-1 no matter how ugly.

Atlanta Dan
10-08-2011, 03:31 PM
Yes. It's over. You can all go away now.

Agreed - I am ordering a Matthew Stafford jersey to start wearing on Sundays after i finish this post

Goldsteel86
10-08-2011, 03:38 PM
Agreed - I am ordering a Matthew Stafford jersey to start wearing on Sundays after i finish this post

Not Stafford, Get the Brady one after all the Steelers should model their team after the Pats, score alot on offense so you can give up just as much on defense.

ricardisimo
10-08-2011, 04:26 PM
Agreed - I am ordering a Matthew Stafford jersey to start wearing on Sundays after i finish this post
Order one for me as well... hopefully you get a bulk discount. (Two jerseys is bulk in Detroit, don't you know?)

Atlanta Dan
10-08-2011, 05:38 PM
Order one for me as well... hopefully you get a bulk discount. (Two jerseys is bulk in Detroit, don't you know?)

Too late - sold out:banging:

The operator at NFL.com said she has been flooded since late last Sunday afternoon with calls from area codes 412 and 724 trying to order jerseys for Stafford, Rodgers, Brady and Plaxico Burress

She also said one caller who claims to be a Steelers fan and sounded like he had been drinking keeps trying to order a hooded sweatshirt "like the one Belichick wears." When she asked that caller why he wanted a Belichick sweatshirt, he mumbled something that sounded like "right now the best teams in the NFL could care less about defense" and that unlike Belichick, who has brought in Albert Haynesworth and Chad Ochocinco this year, the Steelers front office "hasn't been planning for the future." When she asked if i could explain to her the thought processes of that caller I told her I was sorry but that I could not help her:noidea:

queeg
10-08-2011, 05:54 PM
2-3 starring pitt right in the face? Our defense noticeably old and weak and beat up and slow, can't stop the run. Our offensive line is going to get big ben killed. It's a mess. I've seen this team overcome adversity before like starting last season with out big ben, not having polamolu for a good chunk of the season... I think this week is the tipping point for the 2011-2012 Steelers, unable to beat the ravens or the texans, barely able the beat the colts??? I think pitt needs to make a statement against Tennessee, they gotta give redman the ball and hes gotta run really fast, really often, I just have a bad feeling about these guys, they are no longer a fun team to watch, they only have a few big plays each game and its always a hail marry that wallace tracks down, 1 turn over this year? whats going on? is it time to rebuild? Maybe we should enter the andrew luck sweepstakes, and draft and trade for an entire new young defense and let them gel for a few years? or should we let this old horse keep runnin:noidea:

Cannot believe the rambling negative comments. Is this the Steeler faithful!!!

queeg
10-08-2011, 05:57 PM
Keep up with the homerism dude. I could care less about Wallace, Sanders and Brown right now because they are not able to contribute thanks to a swiss cheese O line. Sure injury problems really shot the O line to hell but they were bad to begin with.

Right now the best teams in the NFL could care less about defense. The Patriots D stinks and yet they still manage to hang 30+ on an opponent every week and outshoot them. They do this without big name players either. Welker, Woodhead, Branch, Steven freaking Ridley, etc. Bellichick has built a very effective O line to protect Brady and has a gameplan that allows them to basically plug in Joe blow at any given position and make him effective. The Saints D isn't the greatest yet they manage to have success year in and year out because of a good O line once again and a gameplan that keeps the ball moving by getting it out of the QBs hand in a hurry. Same goes for many other strong offensive teams like the Texans, Lions and the Chargers.

As much as I like a strong defensive team, things are changing. Offense is the order of the day and you don't have to worry about high paid defenders when you can just out score the opponent. Manning and the Colts did it for years. The best defense is a good offense

nowadays. If you have an offense that can move the ball down the field, dinking and dunking and taking time off the clock, then you keep the ball out of your opponents hands, not allowing them to score on you.

It's a combination of bad play on BOTH sides of the line of scrimmage and poor play calling.

When you do like a product or service you move on....an intelligent decision.

queeg
10-08-2011, 06:02 PM
Our Oline is one player (LT) and a couple of injuries away from being fine. Draft a decent guard, get a FA tackle, preferrable left and keep gilbert at rt and we have a LT, Kemo (not great but will work between Pouncey and a above avg LT, drafted Guard and Gilbert. Our Def is fine, why cant ppl see we ar focusing on stopping passing attacks this season, which we are. Aside from a bad play by Woodley, Foster didnt kill us and we stopped a pretty potent passing attack. We could use a bit more youth at ILB an maybe more speed at safety (although Clark is nice to have IMHO). I honestly believe given the injuries and moron OC we are fine. If our Oline can stay with one line up for the forseable future we will make he playoffs. 3 or 4 different lines in as many games is a big issue. And why is it that fans who prefer to be optimistic are just Homers? I chose to look at the bright side. We have alot of youth coming into there own and going to get more and more playing time. Our biggest issue last season seems to have been addressed as our secondary is much better. Smack airhead arians in the head and we start winning these games. We are 1-2 botched playes from being 3-1 no matter how ugly.

Some people are miserable most of the time. Most follow this forum to learn, rout and support the Steelers....others who are negative....getting old...

Steeldude
10-08-2011, 07:01 PM
IMO, this team seems to have no direction/identity under tomlin.

Steeler4life1972
10-08-2011, 07:50 PM
I think it's a question of identity more than anything else.

We have the tools and even with some aging vets we still have a solid roster overall.
What we're lacking is a clear definition of "who" we are. Are we a running team? A passing team? A West Coast team? A hybrid?

I think we can be any of those things but someone needs to decide which it's going to be and then set about to sculpt the team in that image and design it to work as efficiently as possible to that end.

Right now it seems as if we don't do anything particularly well and it sometimes seems as if the offensive game plan consists of Arians entering a room with a dartboard in it that has a bunch of plays written on it and a half-hour later he comes out with his plan (if it can be called a plan).

I really think that he, Tomlin, Ben and the rest of the offensive group need to sit down and have a no-holds-barred discussion of just what type of team they want to have and then work on ways to make that happen.
Right now it just seems as if Arians is making it up as he goes and that's not working.I totally agree!!!

Steeler4life1972
10-08-2011, 07:54 PM
We will turn the ship around...imho!!!

WickedSteel
10-08-2011, 08:08 PM
If the Titans smack the Steelers right in the face tomorrow, we will see how you all feel about this season.

All season long so far I keep hearing "this game was a fluke, we will get it turned around next game". Then next game comes and the same shit and then I hear, "we will get things straightened out next time" and the same shit again. How many games have to go by before we finally accept the fact that it looks like this season is in the can.

Look, I hope to God that the Steelers come out tomorrow and kick ass all over the field and look like an unstoppable force on both sides of the ball but my confidence is shot right now. I would love to eat crow and have this team get things on track and start rolling but I think that too much damage has been done so far.

MACH1
10-08-2011, 08:23 PM
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mikegrimey
10-08-2011, 08:53 PM
To me tomorrow is an early season make/break indicator of where I expect this season to go.

So far we're 2-2 and on the precipice. We've lost 2 games already to AFC competition, on the road, but still, looked pretty flaccid in the process. If we can't take care of business against a good, but not great, team at home, then I will have low expectations for facing teh likes of Balt or NE at home.

Playoffs can be tough to get into and a 9-7 record doesn't always guarantee a spot and losing 3 to AFC teams this early in the year could be a bad sign for potential tiebreakers.

Steeler4life1972
10-08-2011, 09:35 PM
If the Titans smack the Steelers right in the face tomorrow, we will see how you all feel about this season.

All season long so far I keep hearing "this game was a fluke, we will get it turned around next game". Then next game comes and the same shit and then I hear, "we will get things straightened out next time" and the same shit again. How many games have to go by before we finally accept the fact that it looks like this season is in the can.

Look, I hope to God that the Steelers come out tomorrow and kick ass all over the field and look like an unstoppable force on both sides of the ball but my confidence is shot right now. I would love to eat crow and have this team get things on track and start rolling but I think that too much damage has been done so far.A true steelers fan will have confidence week in and out...if you dont have confidence in your team then you dont need to be a fan...Im a fan through the good and bad!

WickedSteel
10-08-2011, 09:42 PM
I'm still a fan buddy. Does anyone have confidence in the Pirates anymore? I mean, c'mon, I love the Steelers to death but I am a realist. I'm not going to sit there and believe that when the Pats come to town that they will sack Brady 7 times and that Ben will throw for 500 yards and 6 TDs. Gotta be realistic.

There was a time that I had confidence that the Steelers would shut down ANY RB and that the offense could move the ball effectively on the ground and through the air. That time has passed now. I still love them but the confidence and swagger is gone, no gas left in the tank.

RatbirdExtreme
10-08-2011, 10:18 PM
A true steelers fan will have confidence week in and out...if you dont have confidence in your team then you dont need to be a fan...Im a fan through the good and bad!

There's a huge difference between being a fan and having confidence, even if misguided. They are definitely mutually exclusive.

Myself for example. As you have probably surmised from the name, I'm a huge Ravens fan. Born and spent most of my life in Baltimore, etc. Do I think the Ravens are one of the better teams in the NFL this year? Absolutely. Am I confident they could beat the Packers in the SB if they get that far? Nope, not at all. Doesnt make me any less of a fan, I just try to be objective.

Ok, enough of my Ravens fandom. Most of you don't care, and that's fine. As I see the Steeler's situation, most of the criticism this year is completely unjustified. No, your D isn't too old. No, Ben isnt taking a step backwards. Are you serious? Ben is top 5 in the NFL.

The Steeler's performance this year can be summed up in one sentence. Your OLine is beyond bad. Horrible. Atrocious. Your main concern this year should be Ben come through the year without getting maimed. I remember after the Ravens- Steelers game saying to my gf " Anyone with an above average DLine is going to pound the Steelers this year" Then after watching the Colts-Steelers game I thought anyone with an average DLine was going to pound the Steelers this year. After the Texans game Im starting to wonder if 4 Catholic schoolgirls in uniform could overwhelm your OLine.

For a few years now, Ben has been able to overcome a mediocre OLine with his skills. Blame your FO for not upgrading after last year. That was sort of a curious move, IMO (or nonmove, such as it is). You'll be back, no worries, there is too much talent there on both sides of the ball. But this year might be another post SB hangover for ya'all.

WickedSteel
10-08-2011, 10:39 PM
Sure, Ben is a top 5 QB, Wallace is a top 5 wide out, and Mendenhall is a top 10 back but their success all hinges on the O line play. Right now they look like bottom feeders because the O line is so bad.

IMO, the two most important things on a football team are the O line and the D line. Controlling the line of scrimmage is the key and right now the Steelers are failing miserably in both. ANY NFL caliber QB can be successful when you put him behind a good O line and surround him with talent. Exhibit A-Matt Cassel. Did well in NE and looks like crap in KC.

Protect your QB and pressure the opposing QB, that is the key and the Steelers can't do either.

TRH
10-09-2011, 10:15 AM
Sure, Ben is a top 5 QB, Wallace is a top 5 wide out, and Mendenhall is a top 10 back but their success all hinges on the O line play. Right now they look like bottom feeders because the O line is so bad.

IMO, the two most important things on a football team are the O line and the D line. Controlling the line of scrimmage is the key and right now the Steelers are failing miserably in both. ANY NFL caliber QB can be successful when you put him behind a good O line and surround him with talent. Exhibit A-Matt Cassel. Did well in NE and looks like crap in KC.

Protect your QB and pressure the opposing QB, that is the key and the Steelers can't do either.

Mendenhall is not a top 10 back.

WickedSteel
10-09-2011, 12:02 PM
Who is ahead of him? There may be guys in the league that have better stats then him each year but he has had a bad O line ever since he was a rookie.

Besides Peterson, CJ2K and Foster, who else has loads more talent than Mendy? They may have much better lines but they are not necessarily better talent wise.

I am disappointed with his dancing around this year but he has talent with his speed and size.

MattsMe
10-09-2011, 02:33 PM
Apparently someone forgot to tell the players it's over.

55BaileyFan
10-09-2011, 02:49 PM
NO, this is just a hiccup

MACH1
10-09-2011, 03:53 PM
Postponed one week.

FanSince72
10-09-2011, 04:16 PM
I said we needed an identity and now we have an embarrassment of riches...

174 yds. rushing, 257 passing with 5 touchdown passes by our washed up broken down QB AND a solid performance by our Harrison-less defense.

So we STILL don't know if we're a running team or a passing team but after today I think that's a helluva nice problem to have to have to deal with!

:tt04::tt03::tt02::applaudit:

Kanata-Steeler
10-09-2011, 04:24 PM
Even if God believes it's over, you NEVER POST a "is this Steeler era over?" ... even if it was.
hello, but I will answer that for you: "NOooooo" it's NEVER over.
That's all we need to know, we can beatch about this or that, QB this or that, "D" this or that,..., but it ain't ever over.
...ever.
:)

theplatypus
10-09-2011, 04:32 PM
If the Titans smack the Steelers right in the face tomorrow, we will see how you all feel about this season.

All season long so far I keep hearing "this game was a fluke, we will get it turned around next game". Then next game comes and the same shit and then I hear, "we will get things straightened out next time" and the same shit again. How many games have to go by before we finally accept the fact that it looks like this season is in the can.

Look, I hope to God that the Steelers come out tomorrow and kick ass all over the field and look like an unstoppable force on both sides of the ball but my confidence is shot right now. I would love to eat crow and have this team get things on track and start rolling but I think that too much damage has been done so far.

Right now? Your confidence is shot right now? I honestly don't think you've ever posted anything positive.

SteelerFanInATL
10-09-2011, 05:59 PM
2-3 starring pitt right in the face? Our defense noticeably old and weak and beat up and slow, can't stop the run. Our offensive line is going to get big ben killed. It's a mess. I've seen this team overcome adversity before like starting last season with out big ben, not having polamolu for a good chunk of the season... I think this week is the tipping point for the 2011-2012 Steelers, unable to beat the ravens or the texans, barely able the beat the colts??? I think pitt needs to make a statement against Tennessee, they gotta give redman the ball and hes gotta run really fast, really often, I just have a bad feeling about these guys, they are no longer a fun team to watch, they only have a few big plays each game and its always a hail marry that wallace tracks down, 1 turn over this year? whats going on? is it time to rebuild? Maybe we should enter the andrew luck sweepstakes, and draft and trade for an entire new young defense and let them gel for a few years? or should we let this old horse keep runnin:noidea:


How old is our defense really? There is youth at d-line (but could use more). Secondary is not too bad. The only real problem with age is Farrior and Foote at linebacker. I dont consider our defense OLD overall!!!!!! Just my $.02