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ricardisimo
10-12-2011, 05:03 PM
Should people's signatures be policed by the mods here, assuming people are offended?

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There. That wasn't so difficult, now was it?

Buddha Bus
10-12-2011, 05:07 PM
Only if it includes stuff outlawed by the COC.

Some people need to "sack up" and quit whining over words. I don't care if it hurts your wittle feewings. Go to the Sesame Street forum and brush up on your addition with The Count if you don't want to be offended with words. It seems to be much more your speed.

Self-righteous, thin-skinned people irritate me as it is, but they absolutely infuriate me when they are interfering with me finding out why the hell people hate Mendy so much.:banging: :wink02:

ricardisimo
10-12-2011, 05:23 PM
Go to the Sesame Street forum and brush up on your addition with The Count if you don't want to be offended with words. It seems to be much more your speed.
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Buddha Bus
10-12-2011, 05:33 PM
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Is nothing sacred anymore!!!!! :yikes:

You, sir, are the devil himself!


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_D8VwTKAphks/TJkCNg1ZNTI/AAAAAAAANl8/IXg5q47iIvM/s400/legend.jpg

ricardisimo
10-12-2011, 05:59 PM
Is nothing sacred anymore!!!!! :yikes:

You, sir, are the devil himself!


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_D8VwTKAphks/TJkCNg1ZNTI/AAAAAAAANl8/IXg5q47iIvM/s400/legend.jpg
Damn! I am one sexy devil! (and a horny bastard, to be sure.)

MasterOfPuppets
10-12-2011, 08:55 PM
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:toofunny:

MACH1
10-12-2011, 11:24 PM
Should people's signatures be policed by the mods here, assuming people are offended?

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There. That wasn't so difficult, now was it?

Need a fish?



:flap:

tony hipchest
10-13-2011, 12:58 AM
Need a fish?



:flap:

would you like some cheese with that whine?

:flap:

MACH1
10-13-2011, 04:00 PM
Only if it's government cheese. :hungry:

Wallace108
10-13-2011, 10:04 PM
Should people's signatures be policed by the mods here, assuming people are offended?

Yes. It's called political correctness.

ricardisimo
10-13-2011, 10:12 PM
Yes. It's called political correctness.
But haven't you heard? Political correctness is politically incorrect. Get with the times, Wally.

Wallace108
10-13-2011, 10:53 PM
But haven't you heard? Political correctness is politically incorrect. Get with the times, Wally.

Oh, I'm with the times, my friend. Political correctness is alive and well. I find it ironic that the same people who champion freedom of speech are the same people who brought us political correctness. The liberal motto: "You're free to say whatever you want ... as long as we agree with it."

thebus36idf
10-13-2011, 11:09 PM
Should people's signatures be policed by the mods here, assuming people are offended?

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There. That wasn't so difficult, now was it?
No it wasn't
Thanks ricardismo. Except steelaxe is the one I should be thanking he lead me here. I have the pittburgh steelers forum on my favs so it always brings me to that forum. I never have been to another forum.

To resectfully answer your question no. If we only assume it's offensive. I would never go up to a black person being white and call him the N word because I would assume it would be offensive. We can all agree it is offensive. By the mere title of your post offensive sigs you are making an obvious statement. We can all agree people are way too sensitive these days I'm with ya on that. I assure you I am not one of these. I am assuming by your name your of spanish mexican or latino decent. If I had a sig saying for instance "SPICKS DON'T BELONG IN THE U.S." OR "WETBACKS" It's safe to assume this would offend someone. Now if I said "ILLIGAL IMMIGRATION IN THE U.S. NEEDS TO STOP". one is obviously offensive, one is questionable ( I wouldn't use either because my values don't allow me this room). Now I'm not stating in any way I am better than you trust me I have my own issues. I was simply saying when I bring my son whom happens to love God, to this forum and if he also happened to have an amputated limb this would be disturbing to him. Not an assumption per se. I think it's a safe bet. So he came to a website to talk about his football team, and again I was just wondering if people consider what some may feel when they see obviously offensive sigs. Com' on your getting offended that I would suggest someone would get offended. The same goes with Masterofpuppets all I did was respond to what was clearly stated in the PITtSBURGH STEELERS FORUM with this statement "Yes but what Steven Weinber and you fail to understand is that all people good or evil do evil things, because of this we need God , and with this realization I have seen truly evil people become good. " then I get killed and I am the unforgiving offended one. Forgive me for having compassion towards others. And as I said I would do the same to a religious person with an obvious offensive sig. Key word obvious, and I know I'm not the judge, but were not so mentally bamkrupt we don't know the difference are we?

thebus36idf
10-13-2011, 11:28 PM
Only if it includes stuff outlawed by the COC.

Some people need to "sack up" and quit whining over words. I don't care if it hurts your wittle feewings. Go to the Sesame Street forum and brush up on your addition with The Count if you don't want to be offended with words. It seems to be much more your speed.

Self-righteous, thin-skinned people irritate me as it is, but they absolutely infuriate me when they are interfering with me finding out why the hell people hate Mendy so much.:banging: :wink02:

Now your sig is funny and nonoffensive. Funny self-righteous, thin-skinned people irritate you what is it that irritates you "was it something I said"? Was it my words that are upsetting you? maybe you should read your own words once again, but this time apply them to yourself. I hope I didn't hurt your feelings? I guess I'll see. Now I only did that to make a point. GOTCHA !! Now on to more intelligent people. Just kiddin again. Hope this little experiment didn't hurt your feelings. And yes I do care about your feelings it doesn't make me a politically correct liberal. This assure you I'm not. It just makes me compassionate towards others. Is that wrong? politically correct, or incorrect. When your down and out I think you would want to be my friend. I think you should wear that satan cotume for holloween!!

Wallace108
10-13-2011, 11:37 PM
Now your sig is funny and nonoffensive. Funny self-righteous, thin-skinned people irritate you what is it that irritates you "was it something I said"? Was it my words that are upsetting you? maybe you should read your own words once again, but this time apply them to yourself. I hope I didn't hurt your feelings? I guess I'll see.

:toofunny:

Take it easy on Buddha. He's liberal ... he doesn't know any better. :chuckle:

thebus36idf
10-13-2011, 11:43 PM
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Now that's pretty funny. A little much for my tea totalling mind (see I don't even know how to say Tea toodoling) however I will just revert to the laws of the land. pay close attention to the points underlined this would mean both the video, and sig is OUTTA THERE. Oh wait I forgot rules don't apply !!

-Racist and hate speech material (this will be met with a swift ban).-Gore and excessive violence (both photographic and animated).
-Pornography and strongly sexually suggestive material (both photographic and animated).
-Material generally considered rude, vulgar or crass.
-Links to gratuitous examples of the above is prohibited.

Ensure that your signature:-Does not exceed 500 pixels in width and 150 pixels in height.
-Does not exceed 100 kb in size.
-Contains only 1 image. Although, multiple smilies are acceptable if accompanied by text only.
-Does not contain annoying animations.
-Does not contain links for self-promotion. Links are available only at http://www.steelersfever.com/affiliates.html.
-Follows all the rules applying to posts themselves.

ricardisimo
10-14-2011, 01:09 AM
Are you suggesting that either my sig or MoP's are covered under the portions of the CoC you have underlined there? Let's get MoP's out of the way right now. There is absolutely no way that any reasonable person could think that his sig is racist, hate speech, or rude or crass. It's a pithy quote on a topic of interest to him. It would be unacceptable only if the rules said that religion is completely off-limits on SF. The rules do not say that.

Which leaves my signature, which we can discuss in further detail following your response.

Buddha Bus
10-14-2011, 04:20 AM
Now your sig is funny and nonoffensive. Funny self-righteous, thin-skinned people irritate you what is it that irritates you "was it something I said"? Was it my words that are upsetting you? maybe you should read your own words once again, but this time apply them to yourself. I hope I didn't hurt your feelings? I guess I'll see. Now I only did that to make a point. GOTCHA !! Now on to more intelligent people. Just kiddin again. Hope this little experiment didn't hurt your feelings. And yes I do care about your feelings it doesn't make me a politically correct liberal. This assure you I'm not. It just makes me compassionate towards others. Is that wrong? politically correct, or incorrect. When your down and out I think you would want to be my friend. I think you should wear that satan cotume for holloween!!

I hardly think you hurt my feelings, genius. I'm one of the more thicker skinned people on this board. Trust me. You can say whatever the hell you want to IN THE PROPER FORUM on an internet message board as long as it follows the COC rules. I could care less. Your posts in the Mendy thread DO NOT follow these rules. Thusly, you were singled out and told to cut the shit for it. Unlike you, I do have good reading comprehension skills and understand these rules.

You chose to ignore, or were too "smart", to understand these rules and people reminded you of them. You still continued your rant in the wrong thread after that. I would think that someone who has been a member here for 5 years and is a self-proclaimed "intelligent person" would have the capability to find these forums on their own without someone holding their hand and leading them to it. It's all in plain English that your superior reading comprehension skills should be able to master easily, but I guess you weren't smart enough to figure that out on your own. I hope that doesn't make you feel dumb..... GOTCHA!

My irritation didn't compel me to cry and whine to have your words removed, unlike you. That's the big difference. I can be irritated about something and move on with my life without being a big baby about it. You hurting my feelings is the biggest funny of them all. I don't care about your feelings or if you care about mine. I'm not here to make you feel good about yourself. I'm here to have discussions with people on varying topics in the proper forums. All you were doing was repeatedly interrupting that conversation with your two-bit ridiculous whining about something that had absolutely NOTHING to do with the conversation.

You really have a superiority complex in thinking that anyone here thinks your opinion holds more weight than their's and that somehow their day has been ruined by your lame-ass barbs and attempts at belittling them . And, thanks, maybe I will wear that costume for Halloween (notice the spelling there, Einstein?) and take a picture to post as my new sig so I can offend you some more.

Isn't about time for you to go back to your 0.08 posts per day now? I'm sure you'll be missed.

Buddha Bus
10-14-2011, 04:26 AM
Now that's pretty funny. A little much for my tea totalling mind (see I don't even know how to say Tea toodoling) however I will just revert to the laws of the land. pay close attention to the points underlined this would mean both the video, and sig is OUTTA THERE. Oh wait I forgot rules don't apply !!

-Racist and hate speech material (this will be met with a swift ban).-Gore and excessive violence (both photographic and animated).
-Pornography and strongly sexually suggestive material (both photographic and animated).
-Material generally considered rude, vulgar or crass.
-Links to gratuitous examples of the above is prohibited.

Ensure that your signature:-Does not exceed 500 pixels in width and 150 pixels in height.
-Does not exceed 100 kb in size.
-Contains only 1 image. Although, multiple smilies are acceptable if accompanied by text only.
-Does not contain annoying animations.
-Does not contain links for self-promotion. Links are available only at http://www.steelersfever.com/affiliates.html.
-Follows all the rules applying to posts themselves.



Oh, and I guess you completely missed the rules about acting as a mod and copying and pasting the rules on the open board. :applaudit:

ricardisimo
10-14-2011, 05:00 AM
Oh, and I guess you completely missed the rules about acting as a mod and copying and pasting the rules on the open board. :applaudit:
For the record, Buddha, I've always been offended by your sig, and the stench it produces as it wafts in my direction.

finesward
10-14-2011, 05:44 AM
No it wasn't
Thanks ricardismo. Except steelaxe is the one I should be thanking he lead me here. I have the pittburgh steelers forum on my favs so it always brings me to that forum. I never have been to another forum.

To resectfully answer your question no. If we only assume it's offensive. I would never go up to a black person being white and call him the N word because I would assume it would be offensive. We can all agree it is offensive. By the mere title of your post offensive sigs you are making an obvious statement. We can all agree people are way too sensitive these days I'm with ya on that. I assure you I am not one of these. I am assuming by your name your of spanish mexican or latino decent. If I had a sig saying for instance "SPICKS DON'T BELONG IN THE U.S." OR "WETBACKS" It's safe to assume this would offend someone. Now if I said "ILLIGAL IMMIGRATION IN THE U.S. NEEDS TO STOP". one is obviously offensive, one is questionable ( I wouldn't use either because my values don't allow me this room). Now I'm not stating in any way I am better than you trust me I have my own issues. I was simply saying when I bring my son whom happens to love God, to this forum and if he also happened to have an amputated limb this would be disturbing to him. Not an assumption per se. I think it's a safe bet. So he came to a website to talk about his football team, and again I was just wondering if people consider what some may feel when they see obviously offensive sigs. Com' on your getting offended that I would suggest someone would get offended. The same goes with Masterofpuppets all I did was respond to what was clearly stated in the PITtSBURGH STEELERS FORUM with this statement "Yes but what Steven Weinber and you fail to understand is that all people good or evil do evil things, because of this we need God , and with this realization I have seen truly evil people become good. " then I get killed and I am the unforgiving offended one. Forgive me for having compassion towards others. And as I said I would do the same to a religious person with an obvious offensive sig. Key word obvious, and I know I'm not the judge, but were not so mentally bamkrupt we don't know the difference are we?

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To the point you made to me in the other thread, it could be argued that you can be forgiving and still be offended, but in essence being offended is someone hurting your ego. If you take your ego out of the equation yes you could go through life without ever being offended by anything. It's not an easy thing to accomplish, and I am by no means an expert...but I have read a few books and watched a few interviews with people who are so I'm familiar with the concept. :noidea:

As for your kid, the internet is out there and he will find worse things than a diatribe on why god hates amputees. If anything use ricardismo as a teaching instrument about tolerance and the expression of others' beliefs. I think the sheltering of young minds can lead to a breakdown and possible rejection of a belief system all together later on.

You seem like a nice enough guy, I hope you get I wasn't trying to blast you before.

thebus36idf
10-14-2011, 07:44 AM
Oh, and I guess you completely missed the rules about acting as a mod and copying and pasting the rules on the open board. :applaudit:

I agree I broke the rules there. See I can admit when I'm wrong and move on and change my habit as to not do it again. BECAUSE IT MAY BOTHER OTHER PEOPLE.

thebus36idf
10-14-2011, 07:47 AM
Are you suggesting that either my sig or MoP's are covered under the portions of the CoC you have underlined there? Let's get MoP's out of the way right now. There is absolutely no way that any reasonable person could think that his sig is racist, hate speech, or rude or crass. It's a pithy quote on a topic of interest to him. It would be unacceptable only if the rules said that religion is completely off-limits on SF. The rules do not say that.

Which leaves my signature, which we can discuss in further detail following your response.

The word hate is in the sig:noidea: You are suggesting that a group of people are hated by someone or something for no other reason then the fact that they happen to be different.

SteelCityMom
10-14-2011, 08:07 AM
Ok, I'm going to make this short and simple (as possible for me).

No, we tend not to police signatures...we don't police a whole lot around here outside of trolls and spammers...I feel that most times, people can police themselves, and every now and then maybe just need a nudge from the mods. Again, for the most part.

As to what sigs are or are not allowed, I'd only delete the vulgar (full of obcenities or nudity) and obvious racist/hateful ones (if you need to ask what these are, you probably shouldn't be posting them). As far as the religious ones go, if I told Ric and MOP to remove their sigs because they might offend Christians, then I'd have to go to every Christian user that has a religious themed sig or avatar (geared towards Christianity, in a positive light...yes there are some) and tell them to remove theirs too because they might offend the atheists, agnostics, Jew, etc. I'm not going to do that by the way. Even though this is mostly a football forum, users are encouraged to bring their personalities to the board, and part of users doing that is through avatars and sigs. (within reason of course).

Now, for everyone quoting the CoC and going on about being sticklers for rules....just stop. We're not going to be judging people and posts very strictly against the CoC (since we all became mods, we never have)...only obvious cases. If you have a real problem with a user or something they are posting, then take it to a mod, not the public board. I'm not the best by any means at keeping up with a lot of threads (I didn't even know this discussion was going on in the Mendy thread), but I check my PM's daily and try to browse through as much as time will allow sometimes...if there's an issue, just say so directly, and one of us will try to help out.

thebus36idf
10-14-2011, 08:07 AM
I hardly think you hurt my feelings, genius. I'm one of the more thicker skinned people on this board. Trust me. You can say whatever the hell you want to IN THE PROPER FORUM on an internet message board as long as it follows the COC rules. I could care less. Your posts in the Mendy thread DO NOT follow these rules. Thusly, you were singled out and told to cut the shit for it. Unlike you, I do have good reading comprehension skills and understand these rules.
You chose to ignore, or were too "smart", to understand these rules and people reminded you of them. You still continued your rant in the wrong thread after that. I would think that someone who has been a member here for 5 years and is a self-proclaimed "intelligent person" would have the capability to find these forums on their own without someone holding their hand and leading them to it. It's all in plain English that your superior reading comprehension skills should be able to master easily, but I guess you weren't smart enough to figure that out on your own. I hope that doesn't make you feel dumb..... GOTCHA!

My irritation didn't compel me to cry and whine to have your words removed, unlike you. That's the big difference. I can be irritated about something and move on with my life without being a big baby about it. You hurting my feelings is the biggest funny of them all. I don't care about your feelings or if you care about mine. I'm not here to make you feel good about yourself. I'm here to have discussions with people on varying topics in the proper forums. All you were doing was repeatedly interrupting that conversation with your two-bit ridiculous whining about something that had absolutely NOTHING to do with the conversation.

Isn't about time for you to go back to your 0.08 posts per day now? I'm sure you'll be missed.

With all do respect. I never went on a rant, I was never angry, or irritated. You can see by my post I was loving, and respectful. I even had hugs, and opolagies, and always stayed on point. So it would seem my skin would be thicker than yours. Not that I am superior, just fact. I'm on here every day, as if that's even a logical point to argue. I also apologize for using the wrong forum, and won't do it again. If you read my post I kindly asked Ricardismo to direct me to the right post, and before he did he continued the discussion. So I suspect I could see that part of your argument directed at him also. If you also read our discussion back and forth you would see that I said the link to the PITTSBURGH STEELERS FORUM is in my favorites. It brings me straight there because that's all I am interested in reading about. Never been to another forum until now. That's why the topic came up, because I want to read about the STEELERS in that forum, and simply suggested that people should be able to do that without having to read sigs that aren't apart of that topic. And quite frankly could stress could be offensive to people. Then I get verbally bashed by people, never retaliate with anything but respect, and I have the thin skin????? Go figure. :coffee:

SteelCityMom
10-14-2011, 08:14 AM
The word hate is in the sig:noidea: You are suggesting that a group of people are hated by someone or something for no other reason then the fact that they happen to be different.

I have to say, you are really stretching on this one lol.

Hate speech against amputee's? Is that what you're trying to suggest? :sofunny:

I'm not telling you to read the link in his sig, but I have, and I can tell you it is more of a religious conundrum than hate speech. It just uses a catchy title to draw people in.


It probably doesn't help that I despise the term "hate speech", and if I could, I'd have that stricken from the CoC. I despise it because of who it is supposed to refer too (people of certain color, gender or sexual orientation), and not everyone.

thebus36idf
10-14-2011, 08:17 AM
dF1NUposXVQ

To the point you made to me in the other thread, it could be argued that you can be forgiving and still be offended, but in essence being offended is someone hurting your ego. If you take your ego out of the equation yes you could go through life without ever being offended by anything. It's not an easy thing to accomplish, and I am by no means an expert...but I have read a few books and watched a few interviews with people who are so I'm familiar with the concept. :noidea:

As for your kid, the internet is out there and he will find worse things than a diatribe on why god hates amputees. If anything use ricardismo as a teaching instrument about tolerance and the expression of others' beliefs. I think the sheltering of young minds can lead to a breakdown and possible rejection of a belief system all together later on.

You seem like a nice enough guy, I hope you get I wasn't trying to blast you before.
I appreciate a calm well thought out response. Hard to find somedays. It's impossible to be forgiving unless there is something to be forgiven for. Yes my original post said all people do bad things. Me included. So because I am a person of faith I can't have an ego. No the reason my faith helps me because it keeps the things I desire to do in check. "If I claim I am without sin I am a liar and the truth is not in me." Apostle Paul. It helps me to confront my sin, for the good of me and others. Some might argue sheltering kids could have adverse affects. We can agree to disagree on that. Finally yes this is a diatribe of objectionable stuff, and Ricardsmo has the link right there. Is it wrong for me to suggest it is offensive. Does it make me egotistical, and unforgiving?

ricardisimo
10-14-2011, 01:03 PM
I have to say, you are really stretching on this one lol.

Hate speech against amputee's? Is that what you're trying to suggest? :sofunny:

I'm not telling you to read the link in his sig, but I have, and I can tell you it is more of a religious conundrum than hate speech. It just uses a catchy title to draw people in.


It probably doesn't help that I despise the term "hate speech", and if I could, I'd have that stricken from the CoC. I despise it because of who it is supposed to refer too (people of certain color, gender or sexual orientation), and not everyone.
Stretching is one way to put it. I'll have you know I googled "crazy stretching" for an appropriate visual metaphor, but I decided not to post any of them because they would almost certainly offend. :jawdrop:

finesward
10-14-2011, 03:12 PM
I appreciate a calm well thought out response. Hard to find somedays. It's impossible to be forgiving unless there is something to be forgiven for. Yes my original post said all people do bad things. Me included. So because I am a person of faith I can't have an ego. No the reason my faith helps me because it keeps the things I desire to do in check. "If I claim I am without sin I am a liar and the truth is not in me." Apostle Paul. It helps me to confront my sin, for the good of me and others. Some might argue sheltering kids could have adverse affects. We can agree to disagree on that. Finally yes this is a diatribe of objectionable stuff, and Ricardsmo has the link right there. Is it wrong for me to suggest it is offensive. Does it make me egotistical, and unforgiving?

Wrong? No, appropriate? Probably not as well. Like SCmom said that's why there are mods which you can contact, or you could contact the offenders directly and give your concerns.

The way I use ego you could swap with sin, they are the same concept. They both represent the same things, desire, vanity, etc... I'm sure you use your religion as a way to manage your ego, your desire to sin, etc. so that you can stay on the right path. No problem with that. It's the desire to change others or rules or things around you to conform others that leaves me sour. It's why I shy from organized religion all together. I know there is strength in numbers and we are social creatures by nature, so church and associating with others through religion is only natural. If we took down the dividing lines in beliefs and came to the same conclusion that we are all part of the same whole I think there wouldn't be the disconnect that we have as a society. :noidea:

tony hipchest
10-14-2011, 05:38 PM
this subject is very deep.

but then again, so was the orifice someones appendage was shoved into when i looked up ricardo's "crazy stretching" photos. :headshake:

MasterOfPuppets
10-14-2011, 09:33 PM
Finally yes this is a diatribe of objectionable stuff, and Ricardsmo has the link right there. Is it wrong for me to suggest it is offensive
so what makes it "objectionable stuff " ??? because it goes against YOUR personal beliefs ??? i got news for ya pal , 2/3 of the worlds population has a different perception of the "almighty" than you and the christian sect do.

thebus36idf
10-14-2011, 10:06 PM
[QUOTE=finesward;953228]Wrong? No, appropriate? Probably not as well. Like SCmom said that's why there are mods which you can contact, or you could contact the offenders directly and give your concerns.

. It's the desire to change others or rules or things around you to conform others that leaves me sour. It's why I shy from organized religion all together.

So go to ricardismos posts or masterofpuppets with an unbiased mind. And answer one question. "what are they trying accomplish by the sigs they use? with video attchments? because maybe you could help me to understand, since you seem to be able to at least hear me out? Mind you I didn't suppose anybody to be of any affiliation they told me they were athiests. I believe they have that right. No problem. it appears they are attempting to conform.
Also keep in mind I never asked that anyone remove a sig or get banned. In fact you'll find I have been respectful, despite being disrepected, and forgiving, despite being sworn at and chastized. and in fact the sig doesn't even bother me. I just posed the question why the need for it no matter what faith. Since then I've been defending a question.

thebus36idf
10-14-2011, 10:12 PM
[QUOTE=SCMom;953186]Ok, I'm going to make this short and simple (as possible for me).

if I told Ric and MOP to remove their sigs because they might offend Christians, then I'd have to go to every Christian user that has a religious themed sig or avatar (geared towards Christianity, in a positive light...yes there are

Not christians amputees. Would you feel the same way if it said why God hates ______ you add race or nationality

I respect your response though and conceed, because I was never trying to get anything banned, just bringing my personality to the forum. check out the cookie monster link that ricardsmo sent me on this board. It is funny, but let me know if you would want your kid to see it?

I am sure your busy, and appreciate your hard work. Love ya all!!

MasterOfPuppets
10-15-2011, 03:41 AM
. "what are they trying accomplish by the sigs they use?the better question is what are you trying to accomplish by complaining about them ? i can't speak for Rico, but i have no motive. i seen a quote that i found to be insightful . i take it that when you read it , things like the salem witch burnings , the great crusades , or the inquisitions didn't come to mind ? you know the things where people justified MURDERING innocent people because of their religious beliefs. these religious killings are still going on in the world today.

I didn't suppose anybody to be of any affiliation they told me they were athieststhey ? i don't recall mentioning my beliefs or disbeliefs.

. I believe they have that rightwell gee wiz... thank you for recognizing my constitutional rights. keep in mind that freedom of religion ,also means freedon FROM religion.

. No problem. it appears they are attempting to conform. do you even know what "conform" means ?

Also keep in mind I never asked that anyone remove a sig or get bannedthen what was your motive for breaching this subject ? were you just being a "good christian" and pointing out our sins to us ?

. In fact you'll find I have been respectful, despite being disrepected, and forgiving,forgiving ? who ask or needs your forgiving ?
despite being sworn at and chastizedyour quite the drama queen aren't you. please direct me to the post where you were "sworn" at ?

and in fact the sig doesn't even bother me. I just posed the question why the need for it no matter what faith. Since then I've been defending a question.
i coulda swore you said you found it to be offensive.

We should be able to without having to be bombarded with slogans on peoples viewpoints that are offensive. The websters dictionary 2: to OBTRUDE (imposed yourself on others 3. To take unwarranted advantage of something. You are taking an forum used to discuss a thing we all share in common and using it spread an offensive belief, full knowing that some may be offended.
yep....you did...nice back pedal.

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finesward
10-15-2011, 07:17 AM
[QUOTE=finesward;953228]Wrong? No, appropriate? Probably not as well. Like SCmom said that's why there are mods which you can contact, or you could contact the offenders directly and give your concerns.

. It's the desire to change others or rules or things around you to conform others that leaves me sour. It's why I shy from organized religion all together.

So go to ricardismos posts or masterofpuppets with an unbiased mind. And answer one question. "what are they trying accomplish by the sigs they use? with video attchments? because maybe you could help me to understand, since you seem to be able to at least hear me out? Mind you I didn't suppose anybody to be of any affiliation they told me they were athiests. I believe they have that right. No problem. it appears they are attempting to conform.
Also keep in mind I never asked that anyone remove a sig or get banned. In fact you'll find I have been respectful, despite being disrepected, and forgiving, despite being sworn at and chastized. and in fact the sig doesn't even bother me. I just posed the question why the need for it no matter what faith. Since then I've been defending a question.

MOP's sig is thought provoking to me, not bashing Christianity. You could apply that to islam or any radical sect of religion.

Ricard's sig is representative of who he is, and if you've read his posts or noticed the monty python gif you should be able to let it slide as just his wacky sense of humor. Shouldn't a sig be allowed to portray or represent who you are? Christian or Atheist?

Personally neither bother me at all, and while I tried to give ricard's a read I found it rather blah and clicked the x. Doesn't mean I should question it's appropriateness because I didn't agree with it or find it funny. If someone finds it offensive and are a registered user there is a simple solution to never see his or others' sigs. The ignore list is there for people to use.

thebus36idf
10-15-2011, 10:16 AM
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[QUOTE=thebus36idf;953256]

MOP's sig is thought provoking to me, not bashing Christianity. You could apply that to islam or any radical sect of religion.

Ricard's sig is representative of who he is, and if you've read his posts or noticed the monty python gif you should be able to let it slide as just his wacky sense of humor. Shouldn't a sig be allowed to portray or represent who you are? Christian or Atheist?

Personally neither bother me at all, and while I tried to give ricard's a read I found it rather blah and clicked the x. Doesn't mean I should question it's appropriateness because I didn't agree with it or find it funny. If someone finds it offensive and are a registered user there is a simple solution to never see his or others' sigs. The ignore list is there for people to use.

I agree. so why so many negative responses to my thought prevoking response. It would seem hypocritical. It's not a christianity issue it's an amputee issue. I will ask you the same question. What if it stated Why does God hate _________ you fill it in. Race , nationality, or a group of people? I aslo agree with you about MOP's it is thought provoking. Somewhat of a generalization, because I happen to be associated with a religion I am more prone to becoming evil if I was at first good. I will still contend that it would be nice if others were more considerate of how it could affect some whom come here to share a common cause. I don't have to be right on the issue it's my opinion. I'm not saying change anything. It's just a thought provoking statement. Never said he was bashing christianity

thebus36idf
10-15-2011, 11:29 AM
the better question is what are you trying to accomplish by complaining about them ?

Way to throw the question back at me. I will however afford you an answer. Just an opinion not trying to accomplish anything. I realize you could be doing the same with your sig and I respect that.:tt04:

[I]they ? i don't recall mentioning my beliefs or disbeliefs

I apologize if this statement was inerror. Ricadismo replied to me that I happen to take the only two atheiest or agnostic veiws on this forum implying that he knew this about you.

well gee wiz... thank you for recognizing my constitutional rights. keep in mind that freedom of religion ,also means freedon FROM religion.

I have a right to say it would be nice to go to a place where we all share a common belief, and not see sigs of the sort. (However I do think your sig is though provoking as another replied). I just happen to think it's a generalization.

do you even know what "conform" means ?

I was responding to a statement as it was presented to me. Someone was of the opinion that I was trying to "conform", and yes it means to be similar or identical. or agree. In this context I was I believe the person was suggesting I was trying to get people to agree with me. So my response was that it could go both ways.

then what was your motive for breaching this subject ? were you just being a "good christian" and pointing out our sins to us ?

Are you suggesting it's a sin, because i certainly didn't. Please don't take this the wrong way, but I posed an opnion, just as you do with your sig. It seems as though I'm not aloud to have an opinion. I got to confreneces all the time where we all have one thing in common. We also have things we don't have in common. If we all had to voice or mention our political or religious view it would become a place where noone wants to go. Not a fact just an opinion.

forgiving ? who ask or needs your forgiving ?

Someone suggested I should be more forgiving see for yourself.

Originally Posted by finesward "to be offended by something or someone you have to be without forgiveness. If you truly were like the big J, you wouldn't be offended but would be forgiving. "




your quite the drama queen aren't you. please direct me to the post where you were "sworn" at ?

"holy derailment, batshitman"posted by ricardismo.

" you were singled out and told to cut the shit for it. Unlike you, I do have good reading comprehension skills and understand these rules." Posted by buddah bus. Read that whole post and tell me I wasn't slammed.


i coulda swore you said you found it to be offensive
I said it. Maybe I wan't clear on how I used it. I said we should be able to go here and be able avoid seeing sigs that are offensive. I didn't exactly say I was offended, and I stand by that claim. My opinion is it would be nice. A good opinion I think. Could be wrong.

finesward
10-15-2011, 12:24 PM
Regardles off what was filled in the blank, the first half of the question tells me whatever follows is irrelevant because no one, unless they are truly delusional, can say who or what God hates or loves. If you believe God loves us as a Christian, it should be Ok for someone to say who he hates as a non-believer. Freedom of speech goes both ways, and unfortunately God can't exactly come down from the heavens and sue people for slander.

I don't wouldn't be offended no matter what he said. I don't associate myself so much as a religious person but can understand how you would being that you have an intimate relationship with God. It's his right to have it up in his sig as much as it is your right to wear a cross around your neck. It's the same concept. :noidea:

Buddha Bus
10-15-2011, 02:36 PM
" you were singled out and told to cut the shit for it. Unlike you, I do have good reading comprehension skills and understand these rules." Posted by buddah bus. Read that whole post and tell me I wasn't slammed.

Yeah, AFTER you made the comment about me not being intelligent.

Remember this?

Now your sig is funny and nonoffensive. Funny self-righteous, thin-skinned people irritate you what is it that irritates you "was it something I said"? Was it my words that are upsetting you? maybe you should read your own words once again, but this time apply them to yourself. I hope I didn't hurt your feelings? I guess I'll see. Now I only did that to make a point. GOTCHA !! Now on to more intelligent people.



You don't want to get slammed? Then don't insult people's intelligence if you don't want it returned in spades.

thebus36idf
10-15-2011, 02:57 PM
Buddha Bus;953301]Yeah, AFTER you made the comment about me not being intelligent.

Remember this?



Originally Posted by thebus36idf
Now your sig is funny and nonoffensive. Funny self-righteous, thin-skinned people irritate you what is it that irritates you "was it something I said"? Was it my words that are upsetting you? maybe you should read your own words once again, but this time apply them to yourself. I hope I didn't hurt your feelings? I guess I'll see. Now I only did that to make a point. GOTCHA !! Now on to more intelligent people.

You don't want to get slammed? Then don't insult people's intelligence if you don't want it returned in spades

Nice try, convenient you left the rest out espacially the part right after i said that, specifically stating "I was kidding" to make a point. I underlined it for ya. That's the second time someone did that you guys don't even play fair. I still love ya though

Now your sig is funny and nonoffensive. Funny self-righteous, thin-skinned people irritate you what is it that irritates you "was it something I said"? Was it my words that are upsetting you? maybe you should read your own words once again, but this time apply them to yourself. I hope I didn't hurt your feelings? I guess I'll see. Now I only did that to make a point. GOTCHA !! Now on to more intelligent people. Just kiddin again. Hope this little experiment didn't hurt your feelings. And yes I do care about your feelings it doesn't make me a politically correct liberal. This assure you I'm not. It just makes me compassionate towards others. Is that wrong? politically correct, or incorrect. When your down and out I think you would want to be my friend. I think you should wear that satan cotume for holloween!! here it is

Buddha Bus
10-15-2011, 03:03 PM
[QUOTE=Buddha Bus;953301]Yeah, AFTER you made the comment about me not being intelligent.

Remember this?





You don't want to get slammed? Then don't insult people's intelligence if you don't want it returned in spades

Nice try, convenient you left the rest out espacially the part right after i said that, specifically stating "I was kidding" to make a point I underlined it for ya

Now your sig is funny and nonoffensive. Funny self-righteous, thin-skinned people irritate you what is it that irritates you "was it something I said"? Was it my words that are upsetting you? maybe you should read your own words once again, but this time apply them to yourself. I hope I didn't hurt your feelings? I guess I'll see. Now I only did that to make a point. GOTCHA !! Now on to more intelligent people. Just kiddin again. Hope this little experiment didn't hurt your feelings. And yes I do care about your feelings it doesn't make me a politically correct liberal. This assure you I'm not. It just makes me compassionate towards others. Is that wrong? politically correct, or incorrect. When your down and out I think you would want to be my friend. I think you should wear that satan cotume for holloween!! here it is

You can try to cover up your passive/aggressive jabs all you want with insincere apologies, I ain't buying. I'm not your friend so don't think I'm going to let that slide by unanswered. You did it trying to bait a response and you got one that you wanted to turn around and then complain about.

You also repeatedly used the "hurt you feelings" line and the "GOTCHA" to further illicit a hostile response. You can try to sugarcoat it all you want, but it truly rings as hollow and trollish.

thebus36idf
10-15-2011, 03:27 PM
Regardles off what was filled in the blank, the first half of the question tells me whatever follows is irrelevant because no one, unless they are truly delusional, can say who or what God hates or loves. If you believe God loves us as a Christian, it should be Ok for someone to say who he hates as a non-believer. Freedom of speech goes both ways, and unfortunately God can't exactly come down from the heavens and sue people for slander.

I don't wouldn't be offended no matter what he said. I don't associate myself so much as a religious person but can understand how you would being that you have an intimate relationship with God. It's his right to have it up in his sig as much as it is your right to wear a cross around your neck. It's the same concept. :noidea:

I could debate the premise, but it opens up a whole other can worms. I respect your answer, and still contend for me to say God loves amputees or God hates amputees carries an entirely different conentation. To say I love someone can't by it's nature be offensive. to say I hate someone can. If I said I love you you'd probably think that's nice or feel a sense of joy from it,. it's positive. To say I hate you or even better to make the claim on someones behalf will almost always bring up emotions of haterd back. Not in my case, but in many. If you don't believe me go into a jail and say I hate convicts and see what happens. then say I love them and see what happens. Or any social group of people. gays, blacks, cristians muslims etc... Am I really out of line here, because I don't understand why people can't see it's potential harm, or offense. So If I said God hates you it carries the same emotional response as if I said God loves you. No. One by nature can't be offensive, one can. we keep getting off the point that my opinion was just an opinion as was there's.

harrison'samonster
10-15-2011, 03:35 PM
To say that God hates or loves you could mean absolutely nothing to a lot of people. And that can be because of a lot of different reasons. It would mean nothing to me because my relationship with God is between myself and him.

thebus36idf
10-15-2011, 03:53 PM
[QUOTE=thebus36idf;953302]

[QUOTE]You can try to cover up your passive/aggressive jabs all you want with insincere apologies, I ain't buying. I'm not your friend so don't think I'm going to let that slide by unanswered. You did it trying to bait a response and you got one that you wanted to turn around and then complain about.

You also repeatedly used the "hurt you feelings" line and the "GOTCHA" to further illicit a hostile response. You can try to sugarcoat it all you want, but it truly rings as hollow and trollish.
[/QUoteSome people need to "sack up" and quit whining over words. I don't care if it hurts your wittle feewings. Go to the Sesame Street forum and brush up on your addition with The Count if you don't want to be offended with words. It seems to be much more your speed.

Self-righteous, thin-skinned people irritate me as it is, but they absolutely infuriate me when they are interfering with me finding out why the hell people hate Mendy so much

So now your saying the above words words don't apply to yourself. That's why I did it and I stated it to make a point as I said when I wrote it. The point was that words offend people. Apparently you were offended by the passive aggresive words like "GOTCHA" and "HURT YOU FEELINGS" they were intented to be as you say hostile. But if you read your very own words this makes you self righteous, and thin-skinned. I wouldn't have used them other than to prove the point. Mind you these are not my words, but yours. I don't think your not intelligent, or stupid. However my words made you feel that way. So by your own admission you should still want to be my friend, because no matter what I say you said it wouldn't bother you. and it most certainly shoudn't have illicited a hostile response. Listen I'm very serious when i say I'm sorry I really didn't think it would go this far. The only reason I did it is because words affect people especially negative ones. Peace:hug:

thebus36idf
10-15-2011, 04:09 PM
To say that God hates or loves you could mean absolutely nothing to a lot of people. And that can be because of a lot of different reasons. It would mean nothing to me because my relationship with God is between myself and him.

Do you know this whole thing started because I simply said that it would be great if I came to a place we all have something in common, and not be bombarded by people viewpoints that could be offensive. Apperently alot of people found that offensive. I did however point out a couple and in hindsight shouldn't have done it. However the fact that another person could be offended by it should cause us to err on compassion. I can choose not to come here again. I guess I was looking at it from an amputees point of view, and not ricardismo, and there is where I made my mistake. I will say the same for MOP's I was looking at it from my point of view, and not his. So i guess I was asking them to see my point of view. I was asking them to do something I wasn't doing, and recognize that. Having thought it over though I still contend it would be nice.

harrison'samonster
10-15-2011, 05:09 PM
I can understand both sides of the argument. We all have something in common being Steelers fans, but there are a lot of people on here and we all have different backgrounds.

seeing the phrase "why does God hate amputees?" next to a picture of Monty Python members in a skit about having a silly argument, I could tell that it was a joke. We don't realize that everybody's not going to recognize the actors or know that they are comedians.

ricardisimo
10-15-2011, 05:44 PM
My signature is funny - or rather, the website to which it links is funny - for the same reason the South Park episodes on Mormons, Scientologists, Catholicism, and even atheism are funny. There are blatantly obvious truths right in front of all of us that we decide to ignore so that our "rock solid beliefs" do not crumble to dust at the first passing breeze. That's a truism of the human condition, and a hysterical truism to boot.

Anyone who is offended by that is offended by life. And sure enough, it seems to me that many religious people are just that: offended by life, whether it's teenage pregnancy, two dudes shtooping or whatever. People need to get over themselves, and humor is the best way to do that, period.

You're engaging in some pretty dramatic backpedaling here in this thread, and trying to cover it up with a lot of grandiose forgiveness. No one asked for, nor requires your forgiveness. No one did anything "wrong". This is a message board. We exchange ideas. Mostly our ideas involve football and the Pittsburgh Steelers, but every now and again real life creeps in, like insightful quotes or witty observations on peoples' worldviews. It happens. Get over it.

thebus36idf
10-15-2011, 06:05 PM
[QUOTE]You're engaging in some pretty dramatic backpedaling here in this thread, and trying to cover it up with a lot of grandiose forgiveness. No one asked for, nor requires your forgiveness. No one did anything "wrong". This is a message board. We exchange ideas. Mostly our ideas involve football and the Pittsburgh Steelers, but every now and again real life creeps in, like insightful quotes or witty observations on peoples' worldviews. It happens. Get over it.

I am responding to a pleathera of people and as I showed the quote once already someone was suggesting I be more forgiving. Man you guys are pumped up in here. Try looking back through the posts. You call it back pedaling. I was accused of being all kinds of things I'm simply not like somehow I'm running around my house angry upset, and frustrated. I didn't watch the video. Perhaps with a better introduction I would have. Man it seems like you all have taken my opinion alot more to heart than I did yours. I call it admitting the thing is getting out of hand, and being humble as you can see I expressed the fact that perhaps I was asking you guys to do something I wasn't willing to do. look at it from another point of view. However you asked the question, you started this thread. I know I know it was moved here after I started it in another forum, and all the other things that go along with it. I have been over it. my worldview creeped in and I would respectfully ask you to do the same. I stand by my integrity in the matter. In fact I was thinking we could have some healthy discussion about it. Doesn't seem to be working out. It's interesting that you guys seem to know exactly how I feel what I'm doing, and why I'm doing it. You couldn't be farther from the truth. It's an opinion.

thebus36idf
10-15-2011, 06:07 PM
I can understand both sides of the argument. We all have something in common being Steelers fans, but there are a lot of people on here and we all have different backgrounds.

seeing the phrase "why does God hate amputees?" next to a picture of Monty Python members in a skit about having a silly argument, I could tell that it was a joke. We don't realize that everybody's not going to recognize the actors or know that they are comedians.

didn't realize they were monty python comedians. :chuckle:

thebus36idf
10-15-2011, 06:24 PM
[QUOTE=ricardisimo;953322]My signature is funny - or rather, the website to which it links is funny - for the same reason the South Park episodes on Mormons, Scientologists, Catholicism, and even atheism are funny. There are blatantly obvious truths right in front of all of us that we decide to ignore so that our "rock solid beliefs" do not crumble to dust at the first passing breeze. That's a truism of the human condition, and a hysterical truism to boot.

I went to the website, and I can't even find the video in which you posted with it. I clicked the link and it is a argument for wether or not God is imaginary or not. I don't see anything humorous. I say this without any ill will, because it seems I have to precursor it in order to not be taken the wrong way. It is compelling but I don't see literal humor are we on the same page?

harrison'samonster
10-15-2011, 06:35 PM
they are two different things, the link doesn't take you to anything about the skit. but the two things juxtaposed together makes me assume that Ricardismo isn't suggesting that amputees are hated by God. Monty Python humor generally makes a person think and I assume that is what the phrase is intended for as well.

MasterOfPuppets
10-15-2011, 07:17 PM
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I went to the website, and I can't even find the video in which you posted with it. I clicked the link and it is a argument for wether or not God is imaginary or not. I don't see anything humorous. I say this without any ill will, because it seems I have to precursor it in order to not be taken the wrong way. It is compelling but I don't see literal humor are we on the same page?
the monty python skit they are referring to is the one in Ric's sig. i don't believe there is a connection between monty and the website. if you bothred to read any of the site you'd discover its a debate about the validity of religion and its claim of miracles.
"Why won't God heal amputees?" may seem like an odd name for a Web site. The reason for choosing it is simple: this is one of the most important questions that we can ask about God.
The question, "Why won't God heal amputees?" probes into a fundamental aspect of prayer and exposes it for observation. This aspect of prayer has to do with ambiguity and coincidence.

http://www.whydoesgodhateamputees.com/important.htm

religious people give prayer and god the credit for things they deem "miracles" , such as recovery from cancer. the author simply ask why somebody that looses a limb and prays for their lost appendage to be restored never experiences such miracles . :noidea:

Think about it this way. The Bible clearly promises that God answers prayers. For example, in Mark 11:24 Jesus says, "Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours." And billions of Christians believe these promises. You can find thousands of books, magazine articles and Web sites talking about the power of prayer. According to believers, God is answering millions of their prayers every day.

So what should happen if we pray to God to restore amputated limbs? Clearly, if God is real, limbs should regenerate through prayer. In reality, they do not.

ricardisimo
10-15-2011, 07:41 PM
The point being, you can read a lengthy and dry exposition from some scientist detailing all of her or his reasons for dismissing god in general and Creationism particular, or you can pare it down to one very simple, very pithy question: why does God hate amputees? I submit to you that it's much funnier in that form than "Why won't God heal amputees?"

I'm not going to get into the subject matter of the question (or the site) here. That's another thread entirely. There was a very, very good, high quality discussion over at Planet Steelers (http://www.planetsteelers.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=10858) that has since gone dead, but it was not only very entertaining, it made me proud to be a Steelers fan. Check it out. Or open another thread here to discuss the merits and demerits of god and religion. I'll be happy to contribute my two cents.

thebus36idf
10-15-2011, 09:15 PM
[QUOTE=MasterOfPuppets;953335]the monty python skit they are referring to is the one in Ric's sig. i don't believe there is a connection between monty and the website. if you bothred to read any of the site you'd discover its a debate about the validity of religion and its claim of miracles.If you:noidea: read what I was asking Ricardismo you would see I went to the site, and stated just that.

thebus36idf
10-15-2011, 09:28 PM
The point being, you can read a lengthy and dry exposition from some scientist detailing all of her or his reasons for dismissing god in general and Creationism particular, or you can pare it down to one very simple, very pithy question: why does God hate amputees? I submit to you that it's much funnier in that form than "Why won't God heal amputees?"

Your reasoning makes sense to me. Don't take this the wrong way, but why didn't you just say that in the first place?

My signature is funny - or rather, the website to which it links is funny - for the same reason the South Park episodes on Mormons, Scientologists, Catholicism, and even atheism are funny

You can see however by your statement that it could be misunderstood as you saying the article itself was funny, or it led you to a humorous link?

your are suggesting however that a person seeing the sig would know all this beforehand. I will say it again I think people should be able to go to a place where we have a common passion for something without being subject to things that could at the surface appear offensive. I realized that isn't my initial statement I will retract that and leave you with this one. Not complaining just stating an opinion.:wave:

not going to get into the subject matter of the question (or the site) here. That's another thread entirely. There was a very, very good, high quality discussion over at Planet Steelers (http://www.planetsteelers.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=10858) that has since gone dead, but it was not only very entertaining, it made me proud to be a Steelers fan. Check it out. Or open another thread here to discuss the merits and demerits of god and religion. I'll be happy to contribute my two cents.

didn't expect you too. Thanks for the direction.:wave:

thebus36idf
10-15-2011, 10:22 PM
QUOTE]the monty python skit they are referring to is the one in Ric's sig. i don't believe there is a connection between monty and the website. if you bothred to read any of the site you'd discover its a debate about the validity of religion and its claim of miracles.

If you read what I was asking Ricardismo you would see I went to the site, and stated just that.

"Why won't God heal amputees?" may seem like an odd name for a Web site. The reason for choosing it is simple: this is one of the most important questions that we can ask about God.
The question, "Why won't God heal amputees?" probes into a fundamental aspect of prayer and exposes it for observation. This aspect of prayer has to do with ambiguity and coincidence.

I agree 100%, and am familiar with the content, and the argument. That's not what Ric's sig say's though, and he's explained to me his reasoning.

Think about it this way. The Bible clearly promises that God answers prayers. For example, in Mark 11:24 Jesus says, "Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours." And billions of Christians believe these promises. You can find thousands of books, magazine articles and Web sites talking about the power of prayer. According to believers, God is answering millions of their prayers every day.

So what should happen if we pray to God to restore amputated limbs? Clearly, if God is real, limbs should regenerate through prayer. In reality, they do not.

You know I enjoy the fact that you would like to discuss the matter in a healthy debate. Why did we have to go through all the rigamaroll to get to logical conversation? Not blaming you 100% or anyone else. I said we. Now Ric's took the time to dispute my opinion finally, but I wonder why it seemed to go more towards an attack on me rather than a exchange of ideas. Maybe it was how I presented it, but I certainly didn't mean for it to sound attacking.. Do you really want to debate this logically, because I can respond to it, and as someone whom is new to any other thread but the Pittsburgh Steelers I am not sure if were within the peramiters. Ric's seems to think it's for another thread, and he'd know better than I. But just to give you a quick answer. James 4:4 explains the reason for unaswered prayers
James 4:3
New Living Translation (NLT)3 And even when you ask, you don’t get it because your motives are all wrong—you want only what will give you pleasure.
I can go on for a long time as to the proper exegesis but in short Often the reason prayers are unanswered is it may be of no benefit to him Phil 4:19 God is not obligated to answer our prayers in the affirmative. He will not act in ways that are contrary to his will. The matter is settled he was created that way. Often times amputees even people with no limbs become much stronger in life, and in faith because of this. I could argue God hates ugly people because they feel they are somehow less of a person and go under the knife to change it. God won't magically make them beautiful based on what we think is good, and not good. My sisters doctor said her overcoming stage four cancer was a miracle, and he is of no religious faith. Our prayers God listens to, but is not obligated to answer. God revealed to us the conditions of belief, (Pertaining to Mark 11:24) and the "accordance to his will" in 1 John 5:14 and what it means to do it in Christ's name in John 15:16. The problem with religion today is we take one verse and consider the matter settled. Scripture has to interpret scipture, as it's revealed to us as a whole. That's why I'm not going to sacrafice a animal tonight. I'm sure you didn't want to get into a theological debate, but I appreciate the time you took to elaborate.

Buddha Bus
10-15-2011, 11:29 PM
[QUOTE=Buddha Bus;953303][QUOTE=thebus36idf;953302]




So now your saying the above words words don't apply to yourself. That's why I did it and I stated it to make a point as I said when I wrote it. The point was that words offend people. Apparently you were offended by the passive aggresive words like "GOTCHA" and "HURT YOU FEELINGS" they were intented to be as you say hostile. But if you read your very own words this makes you self righteous, and thin-skinned. I wouldn't have used them other than to prove the point. Mind you these are not my words, but yours. I don't think your not intelligent, or stupid. However my words made you feel that way. So by your own admission you should still want to be my friend, because no matter what I say you said it wouldn't bother you. and it most certainly shoudn't have illicited a hostile response. Listen I'm very serious when i say I'm sorry I really didn't think it would go this far. The only reason I did it is because words affect people especially negative ones. Peace:hug:


So now I'm self righteous because I retaliated to a personal attack?!? Funny stuff. I said you were being thin-skinned about a couple of general quotes/phrases, not about personal attacks upon yourself. You're damn right I'm going to respond to a personal attack on my intelligence and I did it in kind which you appear to have taken issue with, so I guess that proves you DO have thin-skin. I really don't care what you think of me and, no, I don't want to be your friend. Just because I said nothing you say bothers me does not mean I'd like to chum around with you. That's a really silly conclusion.

You are also making a statement that the words in Ric's and MOP's sigs are negative ones. Why? Because YOU say they are? How arrogant. Just because they question YOUR beliefs, doesn't necessarily mean they are "negative". I find them to be genuinely thought provoking and honest theories to ponder. That doesn't make my opinion right, just as it doesn't make yours right.

MACH1
10-16-2011, 02:08 AM
So now I'm self righteous because I retaliated to a personal attack?!?

Bad Buddah, Bad.

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MACH1
10-16-2011, 02:12 AM
I find this signature offensive.

http://www.sportsblink.com/product_images/kordell-stewart-autographed-gold-panel-football-3330783.jpg

ricardisimo
10-16-2011, 02:58 AM
Somebody ban Mach!! This time he's really crossed the line!

finesward
10-16-2011, 06:35 AM
I could debate the premise, but it opens up a whole other can worms. I respect your answer, and still contend for me to say God loves amputees or God hates amputees carries an entirely different conentation. To say I love someone can't by it's nature be offensive. to say I hate someone can. If I said I love you you'd probably think that's nice or feel a sense of joy from it,. it's positive. To say I hate you or even better to make the claim on someones behalf will almost always bring up emotions of haterd back. Not in my case, but in many. If you don't believe me go into a jail and say I hate convicts and see what happens. then say I love them and see what happens. Or any social group of people. gays, blacks, cristians muslims etc... Am I really out of line here, because I don't understand why people can't see it's potential harm, or offense. So If I said God hates you it carries the same emotional response as if I said God loves you. No. One by nature can't be offensive, one can. we keep getting off the point that my opinion was just an opinion as was there's.

Go to a mosque in Afghanistan and say god loves christians. Yes some will be offended. Go to a conservative Baptist church in Alabama and say god loves homosexuals. Some will be offended. Using god loves can be equally offensive as god hates.

You or anyone else that may get offended by anyone in sf has the ability to ignore anyone and no longer see any of their posts. You asked wouldn't it be nice if i could come here and not be exposed to others offensive beliefs? (or something to that effect) the reality is you can with the aid of the ignore feature.

And ill quickly pass on saying I love u to a bunch of guys that have been locked away for a long time.....lol. they might fine me kinda purrrrrrty:doh:

thebus36idf
10-16-2011, 09:24 AM
So now I'm self righteous becauseI retaliated to a personal attack?!? Funny stuff. I said you were being thin-skinned about a couple of general quotes/phrases, not about personal attacks upon yourself. You're damn right I'm going to respond to a personal attack on my intelligence and I did it in kind which you appear to have taken issue with, so I guess that proves you DO have thin-skin. I really don't care what you think of me and, no, I don't want to be your friend. Just because I said nothing you say bothers me does not mean I'd like to chum around with you. That's a really silly conclusion.[/QUOTE]

Some people need to "sack up" and quit whining over words. I don't care if it hurts your wittle feewings. Go to the Sesame Street forum and brush up on your addition with The Count if you don't want to be offended with words. It seems to be much more your speed.
I'll just refer you again to the above quote by you.



SOME PEOPLE (i guess you meant some people not including you) NEED TO "SACK UP AND QUITE WHINING OVER WORDS(I guess you should have been more clear on what words) I DON'T CARE IF IT HURTS YOUR WITTLE FEEWINGS(by this we shouldn't care if we hurt feeling so the "hostility" of the words as you put it shouldn't matter) GO TO SESAME STREET FORUM AND BRUSH UP ON YOUR ADDITION WITH THE COUNT IF YOU DON'T WANT TO BE OFFENDED BY WORDS (couldn't be any clearer people shouldn't be offended by words) IT SEEMS TO BE MORE UP TO YOUR SPEED ( toooo shayyyy PUSSSSSY CAT).

So now I'm self righteous because I retaliated to a personal attack?!?
Do i need to keep going back and retrieving your own words because you don't apply your owh rules to youself??
You said that the people that do the above are self righteous thin-skinned people so again by your view of things YES. BY MINE... NO!!! If you would calm down enough to think it through you would see our whole dialogue has been because you applied the above to me, thus I'm thin-skinned, and self-righteous. And distinctly made that claim about me. That's not my worldview. So No.. I don't think anything about you, I don't even know you. So lighten up a little. Maybe we can meet at a game and have a beverage, or you can even knock me out, if it will make you feel better. Enjoy the game!

thebus36idf
10-16-2011, 09:33 AM
Go to a mosque in Afghanistan and say god loves christians. Yes some will be offended. Go to a conservative Baptist church in Alabama and say god loves homosexuals. Some will be offended. Using god loves can be equally offensive as god hates.

You or anyone else that may get offended by anyone in sf has the ability to ignore anyone and no longer see any of their posts. You asked wouldn't it be nice if i could come here and not be exposed to others offensive beliefs? (or something to that effect) the reality is you can with the aid of the ignore feature.

And ill quickly pass on saying I love u to a bunch of guys that have been locked away for a long time.....lol. they might fine me kinda purrrrrrty:doh:

Great point about the Mosque, but we know that in the Mosque envirnment it would carry a negative aspect. So you got me there, but that's why we wouldn't do it. we know that potentially it could carry a very negative response. To not care is one thing, but then to be surprised when someone reacts is another. As for the Baptists and homosexuals well that is simply unexplainable.As well as unjustifiable

I do volunteer in the prisons, and I do say I love them, now you got me worried:sofunny: ENJOY THE GAME!!