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Haiku_Dirtt
06-10-2006, 02:11 PM
Coolong's interview with Jim Wexell revealed that little secret which was conveniently swept under the carpet during the draft sweepstakes. At least kept secret in this forum. What? Nobody knew in here?

Now in retro-retrospect I have come back to my original No. 1 pick. This kitten Holmes is going to be a disaster. And the audacity of painting LenDale White as an undeserving First Rounder because of character issues may be haunting if Verron is the only RB who shows up this year. We had a chance to rectify future needs at tailback.

Cowher and Colbert have been nearly flawless in the draft. What are the glaring flaws????

Picking receivers in the first round. Please say it isn't so!!!!!!!!!!! History repeats?

Sorry. I'm a little angered by this - 3 kids at 22 by two mothers and not married. Yeah he's fast alright.

Black@Gold Forever32
06-10-2006, 02:25 PM
Man I think you are jumping the gun way to early with Santonio Holmes. Yea he made a mistake and was arrested. Yea he has 3 kids at 22 by two different women and isn't married. But I'm not ready to knock Holmes yet. He is a human being and he has made some mistakes. It sounds to me that Santonio just needs to grow up a little bit. I think he will learn from his mistakes and will be fine.

lamberts-lost-tooth
06-10-2006, 02:50 PM
Coolong's interview with Jim Wexell revealed that little secret which was conveniently swept under the carpet during the draft sweepstakes. At least kept secret in this forum. What? Nobody knew in here?

Now in retro-retrospect I have come back to my original No. 1 pick. This kitten Holmes is going to be a disaster. And the audacity of painting LenDale White as an undeserving First Rounder because of character issues may be haunting if Verron is the only RB who shows up this year. We had a chance to rectify future needs at tailback.

Cowher and Colbert have been nearly flawless in the draft. What are the glaring flaws????

Picking receivers in the first round. Please say it isn't so!!!!!!!!!!! History repeats?

Sorry. I'm a little angered by this - 3 kids at 22 by two mothers and not married. Yeah he's fast alright.


HMMMM I would be lying if I said that didnt concern me...but I still dont know enough to form an educated opinion...Did he have a kid when he was younger by one female and now has two with a lady that he is committed to? Has he accepted responsiblity (in time and money) for all his children?
I have NO doubts that Cowher and his minions have looked far deeper into this situation then we ever could...and am confident that they saw nothing that definately worried them beyond the ability to bring him aboard. I am soooo glad that I am not judged by the character of a 20 year old me!!!

BB2W
06-10-2006, 02:51 PM
I knew he had children from two different women when he was at Ohio State.

He'll be fine... the kid can play football. :yep:

siss
06-10-2006, 02:56 PM
Coolong's interview with Jim Wexell revealed that little secret which was conveniently swept under the carpet during the draft sweepstakes. At least kept secret in this forum. What? Nobody knew in here?

Now in retro-retrospect I have come back to my original No. 1 pick. This kitten Holmes is going to be a disaster. And the audacity of painting LenDale White as an undeserving First Rounder because of character issues may be haunting if Verron is the only RB who shows up this year. We had a chance to rectify future needs at tailback.

Cowher and Colbert have been nearly flawless in the draft. What are the glaring flaws????

Picking receivers in the first round. Please say it isn't so!!!!!!!!!!! History repeats?

Sorry. I'm a little angered by this - 3 kids at 22 by two mothers and not married. Yeah he's fast alright.
Who are you to say that because some one has 3 kids by 2 different women they are going to be a disaster on the football field. That is not for you to determine or judge. When he is playing football (which is what he was brought her to do) then you can judge his play. Other then that its none of your business.

CowherLover
06-10-2006, 03:20 PM
Santonio has always taken care of his responsibilities with his children which is the biggest reason he came out a year early. If you're really interested in his past and his character maybe you should google his name and do some research rather than form an opinion with the Cliff Notes version. When you do that you'll feel bad, or at least you should, about slamming someone before you know if in fact he DOES take responsibility for the life he's created. Children shouldn't be referred to as mistakes, IMHO.

Black@Gold Forever32
06-10-2006, 03:26 PM
Plus Santonio made sure his three younger brothers were fed and got them ready for school since their mother had to leave for work at the 3 a.m. So Santonio is responsible. He just isn't perfect. But last time I checked I don't think any of us are perfect. This is another reason why the season needs to start. By the time it does and Holmes is making plays on the field. Him being arreseted will have been long forgotten.

CowherLover
06-10-2006, 03:37 PM
My expectations are for him to be a contributor in the community as well as the football field. His mom worked the fields in Belle Glade Florida, you don't think she instilled work ethic in this guy? Humility and being gracious are also important and he's exhibited those qualities consistantly with Ohio State so I don't expect see a change in him in that regard.

3 to be 4
06-10-2006, 03:50 PM
I dont know, if hes like this in his personal life, how can he be an asset on the playing field? Hmmmmmm??

Black@Gold Forever32
06-10-2006, 03:52 PM
I dont know, if hes like this in his personal life, how can he be an asset on the playing field? Hmmmmmm??

L.T. was coked up all the time. I think he was an asset on the field for the Giants to say the least.

tony hipchest
06-10-2006, 03:53 PM
i was a huge fan of lendale becoming a steeler. and a huge opponent of the steelers drafting a wr in the 1st round (i think in 3 years willie reid will be starter quality).

that being said, we needed a wr more than a rb. our 4 running backs will be fine. as for holmes character, i think its great. dude has proven he likes to have sex, and he likes to go out on holiday weekends. hes joining the steelers, not a monastary.

if having a holy christian with impeccable character was the steelers main concern they wouldve kept randle el.

Cape Cod Steel Head
06-10-2006, 03:58 PM
Yeah, I don't think that it was "swept under the rug."I knew about, and I'm sure the Steelers knew about it. Only time will tell what he can bring to the team. Personally I think its a non issue.

CowherLover
06-10-2006, 04:02 PM
I think Phil Savage has the "holy christain" player market cornered, just in case you've forgotten his recent comments.

Black@Gold Forever32
06-10-2006, 04:12 PM
i was a huge fan of lendale becoming a steeler. and a huge opponent of the steelers drafting a wr in the 1st round (i think in 3 years willie reid will be starter quality).

that being said, we needed a wr more than a rb. our 4 running backs will be fine. as for holmes character, i think its great. dude has proven he likes to have sex, and he likes to go out on holiday weekends. hes joining the steelers, not a monastary.

if having a holy christian with impeccable character was the steelers main concern they wouldve kept randle el.

If the Steelers would have drafted White I wouldn't have complained. I'm with you Tony I think our backs will be fine this year. Also there is a certain RB from Louisville that I like alot. Michael Bush that kid is a beast. Since we will be picking 32 again I think the Steelers will have to trade up to get Bush. But anyway thats next year. Let me get back to this year.

I wanted Holmes. I think this kid is going to be a star. He reminds me of the Panthers Steve Smith. Holmes is alittle taller then Smith. I think Holmes will be starting by the end of the year. Like you said if the Steelers wanted a christian. They would have kept El. Lets face these little concerns about Holmes in really nothing. Its not like he pointing guns and getting into fights.

The Steelers value character and they should. Also I think most Steelers fans want quality people on our team. But my dear Steelers fans lets remember that Holmes is just a person like everyone else and that he will make mistakes. Now if Holmes is arrested again and again. Then its easy for the Steelers. Don't resign him or cut him.

SteelShooter
06-10-2006, 05:00 PM
Haiku,

Bro, I really like your posts, usually, but this time you are WAY off target. :thmbdown:

I had 2 daughters from my wife, we eventually divorced, and then I had an "Uh-Oh" event later on that put a wonderful son in my life.

Guess what? I'm human. Guess what else? My personal life is NONE of your business...and neither is Santonio's (up until he begins to illegally carry firearms, committing a felony, etc...)!

If anything, it places responsibility in my, sometimes chaotic, life and gives me a reason to be even more dedicated to my career...
...all for the sake of:
1) being a man
2) my children.

Your post itself did not bother me....rather, the way you wrote it. :shake02:

You are wrong this time Bro. It is really none of our business.

TP43
06-11-2006, 09:34 AM
Having 2 kids doesn't have anything to do with playing football. U would think if anything that having 2 kids would motivate the man to play good football so he can get paid and provide for them. Wonder if Haiku will give a damn about that if Holmes develops into one of the best receivers in the game. As long as it doesn't affect him on the field, his personal life doesn't matter.

SteelShooter
06-11-2006, 04:06 PM
Having 2 kids doesn't have anything to do with playing football. U would think if anything that having 2 kids would motivate the man to play good football so he can get paid and provide for them. Wonder if Haiku will give a damn about that if Holmes develops into one of the best receivers in the game. As long as it doesn't affect him on the field, his personal life doesn't matter.


Oh so true.............................

SteelerzGirl
06-11-2006, 09:17 PM
Santonio has always taken care of his responsibilities with his children which is the biggest reason he came out a year early. If you're really interested in his past and his character maybe you should google his name and do some research rather than form an opinion with the Cliff Notes version. When you do that you'll feel bad, or at least you should, about slamming someone before you know if in fact he DOES take responsibility for the life he's created. Children shouldn't be referred to as mistakes, IMHO.

I agree with you there, CL. I'm sure Santonio loves his children and takes his responsibilities for them seriously. There are so many deadbeat dads out there, as well as sicko parents who abuse their own children. Santonio most definitely isn't one of them. :smile:

3 to be 4
06-12-2006, 06:46 AM
i dunno, a father of 3 out getting into trouble with the law at 3AM? Not too many good fathers i know do that.

oh well, theres always next years draft.(wink)

rowedf
06-12-2006, 09:47 AM
L.T. was coked up all the time. I think he was an asset on the field for the Giants to say the least.

LOL yeah, yup, and unfortunately, the coke was a big factor in how well he performed. I'm not looking for a huge LT / coke debate, but gesh, when your on coke your motor is at 1,000 rpms.

rowedf
06-12-2006, 09:55 AM
Haiku,

Bro, I really like your posts, usually, but this time you are WAY off target. :thmbdown:

I had 2 daughters from my wife, we eventually divorced, and then I had an "Uh-Oh" event later on that put a wonderful son in my life.

Guess what? I'm human. Guess what else? My personal life is NONE of your business...and neither is Santonio's (up until he begins to illegally carry firearms, committing a felony, etc...)!

If anything, it places responsibility in my, sometimes chaotic, life and gives me a reason to be even more dedicated to my career...
...all for the sake of:
1) being a man
2) my children.

Your post itself did not bother me....rather, the way you wrote it. :shake02:

You are wrong this time Bro. It is really none of our business.

Sorry, I disagree with you. How old are you? You had 2 kids, got divorced, had another kid, BUT I'm guessing your not 22 and still in college. I'm not saying you or Santonio is right or wrong at how you live your life, but given his age, his circumstances, personally that shows a little bit more of a lack of responsiblity rather than someone wanting to get their family life started early. Everyone here has the right to be concerend about "character" concerns, it's part of being passionate about a team.

What's up with this "it's none of our business" .... that's BS. It certainly is our business just as it is the Steelers business. If you owned a company and were hiring an employee is it not your business to do a background check on them? It absolutely is! Sure, we are fans, not owners, so it's not our obligation to do that, but it's totally fitting to be concerend about people's character or past behaviors.

Livinginthe past
06-12-2006, 12:16 PM
When it comes down to it - Steeler fans are the owners - you are the guys who buy the tickets and the merchandise.

I think its ok to be concerned about potential character flaws - I thought Rowedf's analogy to general employment was a good one.

NM

Haiku_Dirtt
06-12-2006, 03:09 PM
Who are you to say that because some one has 3 kids by 2 different women they are going to be a disaster on the football field. That is not for you to determine or judge. When he is playing football (which is what he was brought her to do) then you can judge his play. Other then that its none of your business.

That's what we do in here. Make judgments. ANd I'm not passing judgement on anyone with 3 kids at 22. It's is what you do while having 3 kids at 22...ie drugs, violence and the list goes on. Parents are supposed to set an example - not the teachers in their schools.

It's getting busted at 3 AM while visiting his kid is why I pass this judgement. You have limited litmus tests when determining if I guy like this will a) holdout of camp unsigned (which I expect) b) demand premature negotiations c) cry about not getting the ball d) become a cancer in the locker room.

All you have is history. Whether you like it or not.

As to it not being my business I say BS. I spend alot of time and money each year watching and going to games. I have to get up at 5:30 AM just so I can see the kickoffs.

IS WHAT HAPPENED TO BEN OFF THE FIELD SOMETHING WE CAN PASS JUDGEMENT ON?

Haiku_Dirtt
06-12-2006, 03:17 PM
Haiku,

Bro, I really like your posts, usually, but this time you are WAY off target. :thmbdown:

I had 2 daughters from my wife, we eventually divorced, and then I had an "Uh-Oh" event later on that put a wonderful son in my life.

Guess what? I'm human. Guess what else? My personal life is NONE of your business...and neither is Santonio's (up until he begins to illegally carry firearms, committing a felony, etc...)!

If anything, it places responsibility in my, sometimes chaotic, life and gives me a reason to be even more dedicated to my career...
...all for the sake of:
1) being a man
2) my children.

Your post itself did not bother me....rather, the way you wrote it. :shake02:
You are wrong this time Bro. It is really none of our business.

That's why we chime in here...agree or disagree. I was pretty ticked off when I wrote it and that came through for sure.

We are in a world of relativity. With a-hole agents out there teams are forced to through around millions of dollars. That's the context of my post that was lost.

It had nothing to do with kids and divorce et al. It is the money we have to commit that can bring down and organization.

Peace.

Petesburgh66
06-12-2006, 11:42 PM
Has this kid heard of condoms? Man, use them.

tony hipchest
06-12-2006, 11:57 PM
atleast holmes didnt wind up with his face implanted into the windshield of a car.

helmets- use them

SteelShooter
06-13-2006, 12:49 AM
That's why we chime in here...agree or disagree. I was pretty ticked off when I wrote it and that came through for sure.

We are in a world of relativity. With a-hole agents out there teams are forced to through around millions of dollars. That's the context of my post that was lost.

It had nothing to do with kids and divorce et al. It is the money we have to commit that can bring down and organization.

Peace.

Haiku...........I must've mis-read your post then Bro. My apologies.

My point was, to the others....was the child issue has nothing to do with it, as long as he is being responsible.

Again, my apologies Bro.........