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STEELAMANIA
10-17-2011, 02:04 PM
I noticed that the reason why the Steelers took so many shots down field was that they were expecting the Jags to think that they were gonna dink and dunk them to death like they did the Titans.....So the game plan pretty much made sense and it did allow receivers to get open down field a lot but Ben was off target by a few yards on those throws to Sanders.

So everyone who thinks that Ben was getting greedy with all those deep throws...think again. It was part of the game plan.

And to those who think that Ben still holds on the ball too long, yes he still does, but this offense is still trying to get in harmony and Ben will show all the doubters why he is still a winner.....

steelfury02
10-17-2011, 02:27 PM
I can appreciate the positive approach while observing yesterday's offense and yes we still have time to work out the kinks but

A. Let's do it while we are winning
B. I'm just a little confused as to how that approach would work seeing that we almost let the game slip away. Its exactly what I've been getting mad at - that approach. Why try to out think yourself instead of doing it until someone can stop it ala Green Bay and New England.

That is the mentality we need to have - impose our style of play until you can prove you can stop it. Not think ahead of time and change our play based on what you may be thinking we might do - it is sabotaging us from getting any chemistry or identity on offense. I know we should game plan to strengths, weaknesses, mismatches, etc etc but even just repeating that approach sounds like someone who is thinking too much. Yes, it is partially on Ben - but why go back to it when you are nursing a 14 or 7 point lead? It is such a low percentage play that is basically wasting a down in tight situations when you should be going for the first down.

Agree to disagree:chuckle:

tanda10506
10-17-2011, 02:41 PM
I agree. The receivers were pretty open almost every time they threw deep. If Ben makes those throws it would have been a blowout, like the first half indicated. I think the reason so many of us on here are worried about the long bombs is because Arians has a history of calling them all the time, regardless of the plan. Ben will get back on track, I am sure of that, but against great teams we need to stick with the quick passing and running game plan and only take a couple of those shots.

steelfury02
10-17-2011, 02:44 PM
let's also not forget that the quick passing game can lower the chance of Ben getting creamed or fumbling the ball from getting smothered after 5 to 7 seconds have gone buy and no one is open 30 to 40 yards down field.

tanda10506
10-17-2011, 02:55 PM
Steelfury, I agree about impossing our playing style until someone stops it, but you have to mix it up A BIT. I think they kept calling the bomb because the receivers were open every time. I don't think Arians planned on Ben missing it every single time. I say stick with the short passes and running, but with Brown, Sanders and especially Wallace, we should take that shot sometimes. If we are impossing our playing style and then we mix it up and get a 50 yard TD pass it makes our play style a lot harder to stop.

steelfury02
10-17-2011, 03:01 PM
Absotootley - and I understand - hindsight is always 20/20. I think someone else mentioned about it being the moments when they decide to go down field is maddening. I think that, more than anything is what angered me. I feel like we should have had a lot more breathing room before trying it so often.

stb_steeler
10-17-2011, 03:11 PM
My biggest gripe is when were 1st an goal and come up short handed. Nothing like the emotional rollercoaster ride!....

SmashmouthFootball
10-17-2011, 03:30 PM
No QB can hit every deep ball. There's a reason you saw the Colts and Pats all these years with quick-hitting offenses and opportunistic deep balls. Ben is going to miss some, because even if a reciever gets open it doesn't mean he got open in rhythm with what's going on in the backfield in terms of pass rush or if he got open in the right passing lane. Plus when you're talking about throwing a certain distance, inaccuracy is natural for even the best QB's.

We know that Ben has the ability to make the hardest throws in the game in the biggest moments, we just have to hope he's able to replicate it if and when the time comes.

LVSteelersfan
10-17-2011, 04:35 PM
I was screaming the whole game to go for the sticks on third down. There is very little play action passing going on either because Arians puts them in that stupid empty backfield set all the freakin time. Talk about telling the other team what you are going to do. You can loosen them up with the long pass but that is meant to open up the middle on most other teams in the NFL. Just chucking it downfield over and over and over on a windy day is just plain stupid. Hines and Heath were open all the time in that first quarter in the middle of the field. But they quit going to them for some inexplicable reason. I hate Arians and his boneheaded doing it his way even though the short passing game is working. I agree with those who say "MAKE THEM STOP WHAT IS WORKING". MOVE THE STICKS and keep the ball for our offense.

tony hipchest
10-17-2011, 04:44 PM
I noticed that the reason why the Steelers took so many shots down field was that they were expecting the Jags to think that they were gonna dink and dunk them to death like they did the Titans.....So the game plan pretty much made sense and it did allow receivers to get open down field a lot but Ben was off target by a few yards on those throws to Sanders.

.....

That'll trick 'em!!! :muhaha:

your theory would pretty much make sense if it took out 1 major flaw in the equation- bruce arians brain.

he is the easiest OC in the league for the opponents to "figure out" and gameplan against. they know he will out "smart" himself and do the exact opposite of what is working in some sort of perverse form of self scouting.

he does the opposite of what conventional wisdom says to do. theres no way somebody would continue throwing the ball in 40 mile per hour wind gusts... exept bruce arians.

and when those deep bombs arent working theres no way he would simply go to the high percentage and managable short passes that proved so effective, right? :doh:

Sixburgher
10-17-2011, 05:10 PM
and when those deep bombs arent working theres no way he would simply go to the high percentage and managable short passes that proved so effective, right? :doh:

When the opponent is largely taking the short and middle routes away while leaving the deep stuff wide open (see Mathis almost turning one of the shorter passes to Wallace into a touchdown the other way)? No. Roethlisberger needs to start hitting receivers who are wide open downfield. That game yesterday would have been a cakewalk if he did. This past Super Bowl would have been a different game if he did. But then, had Mathis actually made that interception and taken it to the house, I'm sure that would have been Arians fault too.

ggoldman
10-17-2011, 05:15 PM
the deep bombs were there, but Ben just couldn't adjust to the wind. It'll be interesting to see what Arizona does next week with their Ray Horton 3-4

FanSince72
10-17-2011, 06:52 PM
I think two things are at play here:

1. Ben doesn't have the greatest arm when it comes to going deep and I think he's somewhat self-conscious about that.

2. He's never really had deep threat receivers before and so he's simply not accustomed to having the ability to add a deep pass to his game.

For years, Hines was his go-to guy and most of those passes were in a very comfortable 10 to 30 yard range, which is Ben's strong suit.
But now with Wallace as well as Sanders and Brown, he has an embarrassment of riches when it comes to deep-threat receivers and I think he's still getting used to the idea.

Because of his less-than-cannonlike arm, I think if Arians designs deep plays to be in the 50 yard range, Ben would do fine.
But when he tries to go deep (especially with the end zone in mind) from longer than 50 yards, he tends to under-throw, which often results in picks.

So I think it's a combination of learning-curve (regarding his receiver's abilities) along with realizing his limitations and if he can get comfortable with those things, I think we'll have a formidable (if not Bradshaw-like) deep option that would add a new and welcome wrinkle to our offense.

skinart82
10-17-2011, 06:53 PM
Just get the damn first down, it's third and five and they try hitting 50 yards down field!!!! Get the first down, dink and dunk, then give it a shot, but not every other throw. I love the huge long bombs too, but you have to be able to stay on the field. I'm sure the defense would like for the offense to stay out there a little bit longer, they might not be so winded.

FanSince72
10-17-2011, 06:57 PM
Just get the damn first down, it's third and five and they try hitting 50 yards down field!!!! Get the first down, dink and dunk, then give it a shot, but not every other throw. I love the huge long bombs too, but you have to be able to stay on the field. I'm sure the defense would like for the offense to stay out there a little bit longer, they might not be so winded.

I agree with you.

I think it's always best to play to your strengths and Ben doesn't have a whole lot of strength when it comes to bombs.

Like I said, if he wants a deep option, just keep it to around 50 yards and he'll be fine.

steelfury02
10-18-2011, 11:32 AM
Bruce - is that you on the Steelers Fever message boards?

I'm no expert - but when they go into the empty set how come I, as a fan, be able to see what is coming? Whether that be Ben getting killed or the famous 3rd and 1 and let's not just go for the first down. Is it the angle we are provided on our tvs? Because really, it is so pathetic to be able to do that - i'd rather the offense take people off guard than be able to call out the result before it happens at least 60 to 75% of the time.

Imagine what a man-child like Billicheat sees if we are seeing it from our recliner?!?!? I think we've all boiled it down to bad, bad, BAD situational football.

wera176
10-19-2011, 11:36 AM
I agree with the OP, anyone consider they were just taking what the D gave them?

I really believe that one to Wallace the wind grabbed just by the way Wallace was looking for it. Anyone that was at the game see it?

kirklandrules
10-19-2011, 12:17 PM
So we should all hope the next road to a Championship opportunity for the Steelers doesn't involve gale force winds?

I think the excuse that it was great play calling, but the darn wind didn't cooperate is a load of crap. It's good to know those guys were open deep, but the idea of continuously calling deep balls in windy conditions (when it only resulted in failure) is moronic. Additionally, saying "we were just taking what the defense gave us" is a cop out. It should be about playing to your strengths and game conditions. The Ravens defense isn't going to give you anything. The next time a defense moves their safety up (to stop the run, by the way) and the weather is not conducive to the deep pass (or you tried it and failed ... 6 times), try throwing seam passes to your stud TE or run crossing patterns with those small, shifty receivers. But wasting 2 1/2 quarters of a game on a failed tactic is stupid. More people would be complaining if this wasn't a 1-5 team we faced and the result was a Steelers loss. Fortunately, the Jags suck this year.

steelfury02
10-19-2011, 12:25 PM
What does Mathis ALMOST returning it have to do with taking long shot after long shot when you only have a 7 to 14 point lead?

It isn't a high percentage play and to use it so often in a tight game is mind boggling to some of us

- of course those of us who would rather see more attempts at the quick underneath stuff can't discuss it hypothetically but some of those that are justifying the deep ball can -

- seems a little bit of an odd approach to a message board doesn't it?

Separate Ben's accuracy and supposed pick 6s that didn't happen - because it has nothing to do with the argument. The argument is high percentage v. low percentage. It has nothing to do with enjoying a huge bomb play (because I do just as much as the next person) - But c'mon - not when you are only ahead 17-10 on a 1-3rd and manageable. I think you'll find many more people arguing over the play calling than accuracy issues. And to mention Ben's SB 45 performance as being relevant? I can't sit here and be blind to the fact that the GB defense had actually penetrated and slapped his arm on the throw, causing it to fall shorter than intended - it had zero to do with Ben's accuracy - all to do with a great play being made. HYPOTHETICALLY - if the ball simply falls incomplete instead of pick 6 - we find ourselves at least tied at the end, if not winning. BUT - it didn't happen so let's just agree to disagree. Never said Ben isn't having a sub par season for his standards. How can we give Arians a pass and then not give one to Ben or vice versa? It isn't even about that - it is about situational football and right now we are 22nd in the league on offense for a reason - simply because what we are doing is NOT effective so to me - its up for debate. Cheers.