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tony hipchest
10-17-2011, 08:02 PM
now why would ben connect on 65%, 70% & 75% of his targets to ward, miller, and wallace (respectively) yet only hit sanders (40%) and brown (46%) of the time?

the pedestrian answer is ben is just not accurate but the 3 veteran ball catchers are proving otherwise.

of course going with the pedestrian answer is usually incorrect and the lazy way out.

some of the ubercouch football masterminds will say brown just needs more targets. miller is targeted 27 times vs browns 39 yet miller still has 1 more reception.

tehn they will say miller has easier short routes ignoring millers 11 ypc vs browns 14. never mind miller making all teh tough catches over the middle in traffic.

http://burgh.us/8v4

we should really forget about team wins, and focus on feeding these sophmores the ball MORE so we dont stunt their development, and fantasy football geeks can finally justify their horrible homer draft selections. :tt:

"hines ward is old and his veteran leadership and blocking skills are to be laughed at and mocked." :toofunny:

if there is anything to learn from the vet it is that nothing is just handed to you. you have to go out and out produce the #1's (burress, edwards, holmes) ahead of you.

Goldsteel86
10-17-2011, 08:10 PM
now why would ben connect on 65%, 70% & 75% of his targets to ward, miller, and wallace (respectively) yet only hit sanders (40%) and brown (46%) of the time?

the pedestrian answer is ben is just not accurate but the 3 veteran ball catchers are proving otherwise.

of course going with the pedestrian answer is usually incorrect and the lazy way out.

some of the ubercouch football masterminds will say brown just needs more targets. miller is targeted 27 times vs browns 39 yet miller still has 1 more reception.

tehn they will say miller has easier short routes ignoring millers 11 ypc vs browns 14. never mind miller making all teh tough catches over the middle in traffic.

http://burgh.us/8v4

we should really forget about team wins, and focus on feeding these sophmores the ball MORE so we dont stunt their development, and fantasy football geeks can finally justify their horrible homer draft selections. :tt:

"hines ward is old and his veteran leadership and blocking skills are to be laughed at and mocked." :toofunny:

if there is anything to learn from the vet it is that nothing is just handed to you. you have to go out and out produce the #1's (burress, edwards, holmes) ahead of you.

I really have to blame this on the coordinator, not enough reps until they are needed, yesterday he went to Heath with success early, later in the game Heath was non-existent. Is it fair to say that the Steelers offensively are really quick to abandon the game plan. I have been a very hard critic on Mendenhall lately but in the first half he looked like an absolute stud. What happened in the 2nd half, game plan abandoned and ohh by the way the Steelers looked to be very one dimensional. The Steelers should have rotated the backfield, fresh legs and then looked to "dink and dunk" they have the personnel to get it done for 2nd and 3rd and manageable. The jury is still out, however, this is not a bad football team by any stretch of the means, they suffer from bad play calling and decisions and a defense that is having to play on their heels.

Atlanta Dan
10-17-2011, 08:16 PM
A subtext to many posts by Ed.B. of the P-G is that Brown is not running crisp routes - as for Sanders, it may be a lack of reps in training camp followed by being passed by Brown as the #3 receiver

But IMO it comes back to this season so far being Roethlisberger's worst season since 2006 - he has been off target since week one except for the Tennessee game

tony hipchest
10-17-2011, 08:59 PM
A subtext to many posts by Ed.B. of the P-G is that Brown is not running crisp routes - as for Sanders, it may be a lack of reps in training camp followed by being passed by Brown as the #3 receiver

But IMO it comes back to this season so far being Roethlisberger's worst season since 2006 - he has been off target since week one except for the Tennessee gamebut that doesnt explain why he is a 70% passer when throwing to miller/ward/wallace and only 45% to brown and sanders.

i have noticed that ben is throwing alot of balls to wallace/miller/ward when they arent even looking, before they come out of their breaks. this is a huge sign of maturity and development on his part. he is also throwing alot deep to wallace before he is actually open deep ("when he's even, hes leavin'").

when ben threw the faks spike int vs TEN he was throwin to a spot, not a wr (hines was on board and running out to block).

however i also notice that ben is taking far to much time with reading the defenses at the LOS. maybe its because he is calling out protection schemes for pouncey (something he was supposedly proficient at last year).

i also notice the coaches seem real comfortable with legursky in there, not for his brawn, but for his brains.

bens sudden lack of accuracy on sunday seemed to coincide not only with the winds picking up drastically in the 2nd qtr, but with legurskys departure. :noidea:

sepulveda said he wouldve rather run than kick that late ball that only went 23 yds. not only did ben and gabberts comp % suffer on sunday in the swirling winds, but so did the PITT and UTES qb's on saturday.

Atlanta Dan
10-17-2011, 09:13 PM
It is more than accuracy - i am referring to failure to hold on to the ball when hit (which has improved since the Texans game) and nonsense like the game changing play at the end of the first half in the Colts game when he audibled from a draw play into a pass to Wallace that nobody got (Kemo was blocking 5 yards downfield) and Scott was blamed for a strip sack when he made the proper block on Freeney

For whatever reason his stats are way down - this from Bob Smizik yesterday

With all but two of the Week 6 games completed, Roethlisberger’s rankings among league quarterbacks were ordinary. In passer rating, he was 12th; yards per game, 11th; percentage of completion, 14th; touchdowns, tied for 7th; interceptions, tied for sixth.

http://communityvoices.sites.post-gazette.com/index.php/sports/bob-smiziks-blog/30442-whats-up-with-roethlisberger

tony hipchest
10-17-2011, 10:24 PM
It is more than accuracy - i am referring to failure to hold on to the ball when hit (which has improved since the Texans game) and nonsense like the game changing play at the end of the first half in the Colts game when he audibled from a draw play into a pass to Wallace that nobody got (Kemo was blocking 5 yards downfield) and Scott was blamed for a strip sack when he made the proper block on Freeney

For whatever reason his stats are way down - this from Bob Smizik yesterday

With all but two of the Week 6 games completed, Roethlisberger’s rankings among league quarterbacks were ordinary. In passer rating, he was 12th; yards per game, 11th; percentage of completion, 14th; touchdowns, tied for 7th; interceptions, tied for sixth.

http://communityvoices.sites.post-gazette.com/index.php/sports/bob-smiziks-blog/30442-whats-up-with-roethlisberger



i will concede bens TO's. they have been careless and atrocious (though i still dont blame him for the fake spike).

but in fairness to ben i think smizik is grossly skewing the stats in which his ranking placement is dependent upon 31 other starting qb's.

is ben actually getting worse or are other qb's catching up and getting better?

we have 3 qb's on pace to shatter marino's passing record. rookie cam newton is right behind them.

the usual suspects like shaub, rivers, romo, manning are tossing the ball all over the field.

ben currently has a 90.0 rating. his career average is 92.3.

his career completion percentage is 63.0. he is currently at 62.1. he has 3 seasons right around 66. three around 62., and two right around 60.

he is on pace for about 30 td's. hes only thrown for more than 26 once. 4 times he has thrown for only 17 TD's and once for 18. he is already halfway there.

he is on pace for his 2nd best yardage total, and currently 9th in the league (attempts are still low compared to those higher than him).


his interceptions are right on par for the norm as is his YPA.

i would say ben has shown no signs of regression, and he is exactly who we drafted, who we always have had, and will continue to have.

drew brees is developing into p. manning, d. marino, and t. brady. we are stuck with b. favre/j. elway.

this is a bit disheartening, cause if ben starts his career as a 66% passer, we expect him to be around an 80% passer by now, in his 8th year..

not in this city. not with this offense. not with his style, but if he can make it to 2 more sb's like john, i guess i will take it.

im about ready to accept that he is what he is, but for smizik to insinuate he's anything less is a bit unfair. i would even say it is misrepresentation of the facts.

tanda10506
10-17-2011, 10:50 PM
Ben's not taking a step back, the first 4 games the O line played horrible and he never threw a non-hurried pass, that accounts for some of the down stats and turnovers. He made some mistakes this last game, but he will reel in those throws and be fine. The wind may have been a factor in the 2nd half, but in the first half it was noticeably calm and he missed some there too. It won't keep happening. I'm guessing Ben probably practices the most with Hines, Wallace, and Miller, they've also been playing together a long time (not so long for Wallace but a decent amount of time on the field). Training camp was short. As mentioned, supposedly Brown is not running his routes correctly and that will play a factor. Overall, he doesn't throw to them that much and when he does, half the time it's a bomb, it will come around with more playing time together, although I'm sure some of it is just the fact that Ben has been off in general.

tony hipchest
10-17-2011, 10:56 PM
although I'm sure some of it is just the fact that Ben has been off in general.

"fact"???

the numbers say otherwise. ben is a 75% passer when throwing to his main target (which is also his deep threat, which is also typically a low percentage throw).

what you say is a fact, i would call more of a generalized opinion. :hunch:

MACH1
10-18-2011, 12:47 AM
I read at another forum the O disappeared in the second half because of all the TV timeouts. :laughing:

tony hipchest
10-18-2011, 12:58 AM
I read at another forum the O disappeared in the second half because of all the TV timeouts. :laughing:

thats rich.

everybody knows the networks and advertizers dont wanna neglect the HUGE jacksonville fanbase and television draw. :sofunny:

MACH1
10-18-2011, 01:28 AM
thats rich.

everybody knows the networks and advertizers dont wanna neglect the HUGE jacksonville fanbase and television draw. :sofunny:

Also I didn't see airhead out there over throwing the long pass's. :chuckle:

Oh, and lack of player execution not the piss poor play calling.

ricardisimo
10-18-2011, 06:07 AM
I'm looking at the Gamebook from NFL.com, and I might be reading this wrong, but...


only one completion by Ben in the second half... is that even possible?
17 of 32 rushing plays in the first half, i.e. we ran more in the first half yet again?

How does a certain fellow keep his job?

theplatypus
10-18-2011, 06:47 AM
I'm looking at the Gamebook from NFL.com, and I might be reading this wrong, but...


only one completion by Ben in the second half... is that even possible?
17 of 32 rushing plays in the first half, i.e. we ran more in the first half yet again?

How does a certain fellow keep his job?

We converted 3rd downs in the 1st half

Steelers>NFL
10-18-2011, 07:19 AM
One thing we know, on the "fake spike" or the "dumb pass", Ben is not as good Dan Marino in this area.

DoctorCAD
10-18-2011, 08:17 AM
One thing we know, on the "fake spike" or the "dumb pass", Ben is not as good Dan Marino in this area.

An awful lot of NFL QB's are "not as good as Dan Marino".

Not a big deal.

steelfury02
10-18-2011, 08:25 AM
Here's the thing for me when it comes to Ben:

- I can't name 4 quarterbacks that are "better" than him. And I think "better" sometimes means being a pocket passer that can pass 60 to 70 % of the time and dink and dunk a team to death, read defenses, and burn the blitz. I'd say in this area, Brady and Rodgers are above Ben and while some would say Drew Brees, I can only agree with that on occasion - we complain about dialing up long bombs - MAN do the Saints like to go for the home run - probably more than any other offense. Graham, Meachem, Moore and Colston all have some plently long TD catches.

- As far as flat out winning - divisions, playoff games, conference champs and SBs - there is only 1 that has more huge wins than Ben and that is Brady. Rodgers is a bit of a late bloomer, and until I'm convinced otherwise (winning 3 SBs over Ben's 2 - while having a VASTLY better offensive line) Ben is still above Rodgers in clutch games

- NO ONE, Not Brady or Rodgers - can win with this type of mediocre at best offensive line.

- Bottomline - Ben is tough as nails, wins without protection, and is just clutch - even when a pass in incomplete the guy is amazing (insert image of shedding Suggs last year) Very unorthodox situation with our Steelers. We have a coach with a defensive background, a legendary defensive coordinator and stellar defense, an unpopular O coordinator and Ben just wins.

- I think before it is all said and done Ben and co. will get another ring (who knows - Ben getting another 2 is possible) and we'll look back with fond memories sniff sniff and quite a special time while we are stuck in the 80s all over again waiting for our next savior. Let's remember - we were always a contender for the past 20 years - but Ben came along and put us over the top.

plenewken
10-18-2011, 08:55 AM
Here's the thing for me when it comes to Ben:

- I can't name 4 quarterbacks that are "better" than him. And I think "better" sometimes means being a pocket passer that can pass 60 to 70 % of the time and dink and dunk a team to death, read defenses, and burn the blitz. I'd say in this area, Brady and Rodgers are above Ben and while some would say Drew Brees, I can only agree with that on occasion - we complain about dialing up long bombs - MAN do the Saints like to go for the home run - probably more than any other offense. Graham, Meachem, Moore and Colston all have some plently long TD catches.

- As far as flat out winning - divisions, playoff games, conference champs and SBs - there is only 1 that has more huge wins than Ben and that is Brady. Rodgers is a bit of a late bloomer, and until I'm convinced otherwise (winning 3 SBs over Ben's 2 - while having a VASTLY better offensive line) Ben is still above Rodgers in clutch games

- NO ONE, Not Brady or Rodgers - can win with this type of mediocre at best offensive line.

- Bottomline - Ben is tough as nails, wins without protection, and is just clutch - even when a pass in incomplete the guy is amazing (insert image of shedding Suggs last year) Very unorthodox situation with our Steelers. We have a coach with a defensive background, a legendary defensive coordinator and stellar defense, an unpopular O coordinator and Ben just wins.

- I think before it is all said and done Ben and co. will get another ring (who knows - Ben getting another 2 is possible) and we'll look back with fond memories sniff sniff and quite a special time while we are stuck in the 80s all over again waiting for our next savior. Let's remember - we were always a contender for the past 20 years - but Ben came along and put us over the top.

Ben hasn't WON 2 SBs, he's been awful in one, and average in the second. Both times, the D won the game, not him and the O. Against the Packers this year, Rodgers was awesome and Ben was sloppy.
Ben's been going downhill last year and so far this year, the trend continues. A top 5 QB? Not anymore, sorry. He's not an accurate passer, never been and he's lost a lot of speed and mobility out of the pocket. Can he take hits? Yeah but so what? Who wouldn't at 6'5" and more than 250lbs?

steelfury02
10-18-2011, 09:01 AM
- Well needless to say but we don't sniff any of those Super Bowls with any of the other current QBs. I find it pretty hard to believe that Brady, Rodgers or Brees survives behind the line he has had to deal with and the defensive minds that dominate the team.

Steelerindc
10-18-2011, 09:07 AM
I thought it was stupid to try to run the clock out in a single back formation and w/ Mendenhall. Redman is a closer, when you're trying to run the clock put a fullback in with Redman and that way Play Action would be more successful b/c teams would think run allday.

theplatypus
10-18-2011, 09:28 AM
- Well needless to say but we don't sniff any of those Super Bowls with any of the other current QBs. I find it pretty hard to believe that Brady, Rodgers or Brees survives behind the line he has had to deal with and the defensive minds that dominate the team.


People keep saying this shit but fail to acknowledge that Brady and Rogers get rid of the ball with a quickness. They make their reads a let it fly while Ben has a tendency to wait for a month of Sundays before making a decision.

JustinM
10-18-2011, 09:38 AM
now why would ben connect on 65%, 70% & 75% of his targets to ward, miller, and wallace (respectively) yet only hit sanders (40%) and brown (46%) of the time?

the pedestrian answer is ben is just not accurate but the 3 veteran ball catchers are proving otherwise.

of course going with the pedestrian answer is usually incorrect and the lazy way out.

some of the ubercouch football masterminds will say brown just needs more targets. miller is targeted 27 times vs browns 39 yet miller still has 1 more reception.

tehn they will say miller has easier short routes ignoring millers 11 ypc vs browns 14. never mind miller making all teh tough catches over the middle in traffic.

http://burgh.us/8v4

we should really forget about team wins, and focus on feeding these sophmores the ball MORE so we dont stunt their development, and fantasy football geeks can finally justify their horrible homer draft selections. :tt:

"hines ward is old and his veteran leadership and blocking skills are to be laughed at and mocked." :toofunny:

if there is anything to learn from the vet it is that nothing is just handed to you. you have to go out and out produce the #1's (burress, edwards, holmes) ahead of you.

maybe Sanders and Brown are messing up on their routes and that throws Ben off a bit

plenewken
10-18-2011, 09:58 AM
- Well needless to say but we don't sniff any of those Super Bowls with any of the other current QBs. I find it pretty hard to believe that Brady, Rodgers or Brees survives behind the line he has had to deal with and the defensive minds that dominate the team.

None of these guys would have as many sacks as Ben because they'd get rid of the ball faster. Sunday, Ben has all the time he needed behind the OL and yet, he couldn't complete a pass in the 2nd half.
It's not only Ben's fault, Arians' playcalling is awful, but Ben's got to read defenses better and faster than he does.

ricardisimo
10-18-2011, 10:34 AM
I thought it was stupid to try to run the clock out in a single back formation and w/ Mendenhall. Redman is a closer, when you're trying to run the clock put a fullback in with Redman and that way Play Action would be more successful b/c teams would think run allday.
Wrong thread. If you want to bash Mendenhall, you're not only a week late but in the wrong spot.
:coffee:

tanda10506
10-18-2011, 10:48 AM
"fact"???

the numbers say otherwise. ben is a 75% passer when throwing to his main target (which is also his deep threat, which is also typically a low percentage throw).

what you say is a fact, i would call more of a generalized opinion. :hunch:

He's been off to Wallace and Ward a decent amount too, but Wallace and Ward have bailed him out with a lot of great catches. Combine that with how often he is off to Brown and Sanders, and as I said, in general he's off. I guess I won't call it a "fact" since there is not a stat for poorly thrown balls that are caught, just figured we were all seeing it.

SoCalFan
10-18-2011, 10:50 AM
Alot of Millier and Wards catches come on MUCH higher percentage plays/throws!!!

steelfury02
10-18-2011, 11:43 AM
And why do we keep coming back to the idea of Brady or Rodgers being successful with the personnel we have up front? Good for them for getting rid of it so quickly - but neither the Packers or the Patriots are 5-1/6-0 with our offensive line and our schemes.

Fitting a square peg into a round hold. This offense and the personality has been built around Ben - even the lineman say how important it is to stay with your guy because Ben might improv and move around. Its no coincidence that Ward is the best BLOCKING receiver in football - all of our receivers have to be because of our QB and what is expected. We would love to be a quick passing attack - but what, after 2 games of having EXPECTED perforances from an O-line you think he should change into a laser beam quick release guy?

Yes - he has to learn to get rid of it quicker but I'm not familiar with the "sh*t" im supposedly feeding or the idea that I've failed to realize Brady and Rodgers skill when I just got done establishing that they are better than Ben in that specific area (quickness). People need to understand our receivers aren't even practicing in the same way as Brady or Rodgers. Everything is about timing and we can't even get Brown and Sanders on the same page with a predictable 5 to 7 step drop, empty set, or shotgun formation. We like the idea of it, but it ain't happening overnight. We might see flashes of it - but Ben is Ben and again, we don't sniff the Super Bowls without him. If you'd like to play hypotheticals I'll take the All-Madden team and put black and gold over them. Until then - I guess you'll have to live with my "sh*t" and Ben.

theplatypus
10-18-2011, 11:55 AM
I wish those of you with working crystal balls would spill the beans on where you found them.

steelfury02
10-18-2011, 12:06 PM
I don't need a Crystal Ball when I have

WIZARD!

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Fire Arians
10-18-2011, 12:07 PM
timing isn't down with them yet, it will come

OX1947
10-18-2011, 12:27 PM
Ben missed some throws in the last game. Had he made them, this wouldnt be a topic. And the steelers special teams have ignited momentum to a lot of the scoring drives the last few weeks. And its nice that Tomlin went into Cowher mode in the second half. By doing that, u lesson the blows on Big Ben and you run out the clock quicker. I remember it being 12:40 or 3:40 eastern time and game was at the 4 min mark I believe. The game went quick.

Sixburgher
10-18-2011, 12:57 PM
None of these guys would have as many sacks as Ben because they'd get rid of the ball faster. Sunday, Ben has all the time he needed behind the OL and yet, he couldn't complete a pass in the 2nd half.
It's not only Ben's fault, Arians' playcalling is awful, but Ben's got to read defenses better and faster than he does.

What about all the other games when he has had someone in his grill practically as soon as he takes the snap? If you don't think Brady is afforded better protection, WAY better protection by his offensive line than Roethlisberger is afforded by his, you're delusional.

Sixburgher
10-18-2011, 01:08 PM
Ben hasn't WON 2 SBs, he's been awful in one, and average in the second. Both times, the D won the game, not him and the O.

The defense most certainly did NOT win Super Bowl 43.

DanRooney
10-18-2011, 01:21 PM
Yeah it was Brown's fault that Ben missed him WIDE OPEN in the endzone the other day. And if I'm not mistaken, Brown STILL has more yards than Hines despite being the #3 receiver. Sanders is still barely on the field.

But yeah, sophomore receivers suck. Mike Wallace and his 1250+ yards and 12 touchdowns were laughable. Let's get him out of there. Ward, Cotchery...hell let's bring back the crafty, veteran Randle El and get Brown off the kickoffs too. Superboel.

plenewken
10-18-2011, 02:10 PM
What about all the other games when he has had someone in his grill practically as soon as he takes the snap? If you don't think Brady is afforded better protection, WAY better protection by his offensive line than Roethlisberger is afforded by his, you're delusional.

If Ben needs 5 or 6 sec to half-read coverage and to miss each and every receiver like he did Sunday during the second half, he's not worth >$100M, sorry.
Ben has underachieved since his suspension last season. He had at best 3 or 4 good performances in 20 games, the rest was average if not completely sloppy.
Blame the OL if you want but I expect much better from our >$100M QB.

finesward
10-18-2011, 02:33 PM
I really have to blame this on the coordinator, not enough reps until they are needed, yesterday he went to Heath with success early, later in the game Heath was non-existent. Is it fair to say that the Steelers offensively are really quick to abandon the game plan. I have been a very hard critic on Mendenhall lately but in the first half he looked like an absolute stud. What happened in the 2nd half, game plan abandoned and ohh by the way the Steelers looked to be very one dimensional. The Steelers should have rotated the backfield, fresh legs and then looked to "dink and dunk" they have the personnel to get it done for 2nd and 3rd and manageable. The jury is still out, however, this is not a bad football team by any stretch of the means, they suffer from bad play calling and decisions and a defense that is having to play on their heels.

Captain Hindsight reporting for duty! :coffee:

http://www.adamtglass.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/photobucket-captainhindsight.png

finesward
10-18-2011, 02:35 PM
The defense most certainly did NOT win Super Bowl 43.

Take away Harrison's Pick 6 and we don't win, lets meet in the middle and say it was a whole team effort eh?

DanRooney
10-18-2011, 02:59 PM
Take away Harrison's Pick 6 and we don't win, lets meet in the middle and say it was a whole team effort eh?

Take away that 65 yard Fitzgerald TD, and the Cardinals never have a chance.

Sixburgher
10-18-2011, 03:18 PM
If Ben needs 5 or 6 sec to half-read coverage and to miss each and every receiver like he did Sunday during the second half, he's not worth >$100M, sorry.

5 or 6 seconds? I'd settle for 2 or 3 and he doesn't even get that 80-plus percent of the time, this past Sunday notwithstanding. Typically, he takes the snap, then almost immediately has to duck an oncoming (and usually unblocked) defender, and then has to ad-lib like a madman thanks to his shitty line that usually can't competently block a four man rush, never mind blitzes. It's hard to step up in the pocket and make throws when there generally is no pocket to begin with.

Goldsteel86
10-18-2011, 06:38 PM
Captain Hindsight reporting for duty! :coffee:

http://www.adamtglass.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/photobucket-captainhindsight.png

And wisdom shines through, with a screen name like "finesward", someone to listen to. Ohh and still stuck on Saturday morning cartoons, "Coulda, shoulda, woulda", sounds like life has come up short so far!!!!

grandprize_23
10-18-2011, 06:41 PM
Ben has a pretty unique skillset at the quarterback position. He has good strength and above-average accuracy. His quick release is non-existent, that's been shown time and time again. Makes up for it with sheer size and grit. He is also the top QB in the league at pump-faking, which sounds like a minor skill- but it helps receivers get separation on those bombs Araians loves to dial up so often. If the offensive line can continue to hold it together better than those first few game debacles, then things look up for Ben.

OX1947
10-18-2011, 08:43 PM
The defense most certainly did NOT win Super Bowl 43.

Defense won the game in Quarters 1,2,3 and half of 4. Then then offense and their pathetic starting center almost cost them a super bowl. Then the defense let a big play through, which in turn, gave the offense a chance to win it for the final half quarter. There you go, its called a team game.

plenewken
10-19-2011, 07:37 AM
Defense won the game in Quarters 1,2,3 and half of 4. Then then offense and their pathetic starting center almost cost them a super bowl. Then the defense let a big play through, which in turn, gave the offense a chance to win it for the final half quarter. There you go, its called a team game.

Harrison' pick 6 at the end of the 1st half was a 14pts swing. That's what won the game IMO. Holmes winning TD was awesome but without the lead at half-time, it wouldn't have been sufficient.

finesward
10-19-2011, 09:47 AM
And wisdom shines through, with a screen name like "finesward", someone to listen to. Ohh and still stuck on Saturday morning cartoons, "Coulda, shoulda, woulda", sounds like life has come up short so far!!!!

Too bad you don't have a direct line to the Rooneys, coaches, and players so you could enlighten them to all the things they should have done, what you would have done differently, and how they could be the most dominant team in the history of the NFL.

How's that armchair treating you?

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