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tony hipchest
11-02-2011, 01:05 AM
my current favorite postgame tape review from mark kaboly of the tribune-

http://blog.triblive.com/steel-mill/2011/11/02/after-further-review-steelers-vs-patriots/#.TrDGNt9HQwA.twitter

Taking a look back at the Steelers-Patriots game on my DVR.

We all are quick to give credit to Dick LeBeau and the Steelers’ defense on what he was able to do to bring the great Tom Brady to his knees, and deservedly so.

To totally flip the script and go almost exclusively press man with a deep safety to protect the deep ball was absolute genius by LeBeau.

It forced Brady to do a pre-snap read and stick with it rather than go through his progression to find the open receiver, which we all knew Brady is deadly doing.

Looking back on it now, it was brilliance because the Patriots really don’t have much talent on offense other than Brady and a couple of tight ends.

Even though LeBeau’s plan was flawless, Bruce Arians’ game plan was even better.

The Steelers’ offense have been predicated on throwing the ball deep to make splash plays and get quick scores.



All in all, Taylor lined up across Welker and play straight man-to-man coverage on 37 of 57 plays.

Here’s the updated Taylor catch allowed list at the midway point:

Wes Welker, New England 4-23 yards
Larry Fitzgerald, Arizona 3-58 yards
Andre Johnson, Houston 3-23 yards
Nate Washington, Tennessee 2-11 yards
Rob Housler, Arizona 1-20 yards
Jason Hill, Jacksonville 1-18 yards, TD
Reggie Wayne, Indianapolis 1-11 yards
Deion Branch, New England 1-10 yards
Mike Williams, Seattle 1-9 yards
Damian Williams, Tennessee 1-8 yards
Mike Thomas, Jacksonville 1-3 yards
Pierre Garcon, Indianapolis 1-(-2) yards

* Arians finally decided to run some to the left against the Patriots.



see link for many more great tidbits.

ricardisimo
11-02-2011, 02:04 AM
Great read. Not so sure that Gronk "clearly scored", but I agree with him that "Joey Porter was a non-factor". :sofunny:

tony hipchest
11-02-2011, 02:13 AM
Great read. Not so sure that Gronk "clearly scored", but I agree with him that "Joey Porter was a non-factor". :sofunny:

:chuckle: and he has kemo with "too many dumb mistakes". i only counted one. i guess some things just cary over, from week to week.

i notice stevenson sylverster was the only player he gave a grade below a "B". i guess that is to be expected, being he is light (several seasons) away from farriors contribution level.

i think some people forget how high farrior was drafted by the jets, and how highly he is regarded by the staff, his teammates, and the rest of the league.

i do think pornkowski was in. if i easilly accept s. holmes game winning rec vs the ravens a few years back, i do the same with the opposition. the ball was caught more than half way beyond the front of the stripe.

desertsteel
11-02-2011, 01:07 PM
i do think pornkowski was in. if i easilly accept s. holmes game winning rec vs the ravens a few years back, i do the same with the opposition. the ball was caught more than half way beyond the front of the stripe.

Patriots coaches saw the same replays that we did. If he was in then it's on the Pats staff for not challenging.

steelerchad
11-02-2011, 01:20 PM
:chuckle: and he has kemo with "too many dumb mistakes". i only counted one. i guess some things just cary over, from week to week.

i notice stevenson sylverster was the only player he gave a grade below a "B". i guess that is to be expected, being he is light (several seasons) away from farriors contribution level.

i think some people forget how high farrior was drafted by the jets, and how highly he is regarded by the staff, his teammates, and the rest of the league.

i do think pornkowski was in. if i easilly accept s. holmes game winning rec vs the ravens a few years back, i do the same with the opposition. the ball was caught more than half way beyond the front of the stripe.

He was in. Even moreso than Santonio's imo. They can cry about that call if they'd like, but it didn't change the fact that they got outplayed in all aspects and deserved to lose that game. I seriouly doubt that call changes the outcome. Even if we only had 30 seconds and 50 yards to go to get into FG range, their D couldn't stop us all day.

tony hipchest
11-02-2011, 02:15 PM
Patriots coaches saw the same replays that we did.



you would think, but the article in cited in the original post suggests otherwise.

definitely the patriots fault though. im not gonna cry for them, but im also not gonna pretend to be blind.

* The Patriots sure did screw up late when Gronkowski clearly scored, but the line judge marked the ball at the 1-yard line.

Belichick said he didn’t see a replay and couldn’t make the challenge with the information he had.

Reason for that was that the Patriots went right to the line thus preventing CBS to show a replay.

What made it worse was that Brady took the full 40 seconds to run the play. If he would’ve huddled up, a replay would’ve been shown.

Blame Brady on this one, he needs to know better.

BKAnthem
11-02-2011, 06:18 PM
:chuckle: and he has kemo with "too many dumb mistakes". i only counted one. i guess some things just cary over, from week to week.

i notice stevenson sylverster was the only player he gave a grade below a "B". i guess that is to be expected, being he is light (several seasons) away from farriors contribution level.

i think some people forget how high farrior was drafted by the jets, and how highly he is regarded by the staff, his teammates, and the rest of the league.

i do think pornkowski was in. if i easilly accept s. holmes game winning rec vs the ravens a few years back, i do the same with the opposition. the ball was caught more than half way beyond the front of the stripe.

When he was a FA i was praying the Steelers would scoop him up and they did:tt04:

Yehoodi
11-02-2011, 09:12 PM
:chuckle: and he has kemo with "too many dumb mistakes". i only counted one. i guess some things just cary over, from week to week.

i notice stevenson sylverster was the only player he gave a grade below a "B". i guess that is to be expected, being he is light (several seasons) away from farriors contribution level.

i think some people forget how high farrior was drafted by the jets, and how highly he is regarded by the staff, his teammates, and the rest of the league.

i do think pornkowski was in. if i easilly accept s. holmes game winning rec vs the ravens a few years back, i do the same with the opposition. the ball was caught more than half way beyond the front of the stripe.

Good article, thanks for posting . . .

First off, i think the steelers dominated pretty much the entire game . . . in some ways i kind of reminded me of SB 42, the other team on the field and we can not score . .. of coarse the steelers O was much better than the Gmen O in SB 42 . . .

I do think that Gronk was in on that TD and too bad it was not called a TD . . . given the auto ruling it would be nice to almost have the refs erred on the side of calling the guy in and then can fix it on replay, absent of coarse the presumption in replay would be that he was in . . .

as for challenging it, i think a few things on that matter . . . BB loves to use situational football during the week and does it mainly to get his players prep for a number of situations in the game, and if they occur, you are more comfortable with the situation and more importantingly, one will know off the top of your head what play to call without having to think and decide with a milliions of things going on in game . . .

. . . to a degree wish we had that here . . . it was kind of a combinations of things . . . BB did not know if he got in, did not see if from his spot, did not have a replay; TB on the other hand was running the no huddle and I think he waited and held the ball hoping for a replay which never came, understandable as there was no replay due to the O being in no huddle, it all sounds so easy now, the next day . . . furture reference the sitational football move would of been to stay in the huddle and wait for a replay . ..perhaps TB wanted to get to the line to quick snap a play to punch it in, did not like what he saw then held up waiting for replay . . . there are number of things that did not go very well, too bad BB did not simply challenge it, true he might of lost a TO, which would be like 35 seconds, but the true loss is the 35 seconds minus the time save for the pats to run that play, so it might of been only a lost of say 15 or 20 seconds . . .

. . . as with some plays, they can have an impact on the game, and i think that TD did, had Gronk got in, there is 4 mins to go as opposed to 2:35, so we probably kick off and whose knows what happens . . . down by only 6 . . .

Great game for Pitts, I guess the only thing one might say as a downer is that the Steelers pretty much outplayed a AFC rvial for 50 mins and yet near the end had the ball and only leading by 6 . . . essentially Pitt brought its A+ game but only won by 6 points, other than this point is pretty much a solid confidence builder for the Steelers . . . and great game by Big Ben and the Pitt O . . . and of coarse now they hold the tiebreaker aganst the Pats . . . perhaps the most important part of Sunday's win. . . .

madtowndrunkard
11-02-2011, 11:01 PM
I'll be the first guy to say Dick Lebeau is a defensive genius.

But WHY was it so shocking and amazing that we played press coverage against the Patriots? I mean lets be honest... HOW many of you have been saying for years " WHY THE F$%& ARE WE GIVING 5-10 yard cushins to the Pats WR's? WHY do we insist on only playing zone, when Brady has proven game after game that he can pick it apart with ease?

When I saw our DB's up on the LOS, I was like "ABOUT TIME!" Why let a finesse QB who destroys zone coverage get comfortable with his timing? Brady and their WR's were clearly frustrated. All you need to do is slow that offense down and you can beat them. I want to know why it took us this long to try this?

tony hipchest
11-02-2011, 11:22 PM
I'll be the first guy to say Dick Lebeau is a defensive genius.

But WHY was it so shocking and amazing that we played press coverage against the Patriots? I mean lets be honest... HOW many of you have been saying for years " WHY THE F$%& ARE WE GIVING 5-10 yard cushins to the Pats WR's? WHY do we insist on only playing zone, when Brady has proven game after game that he can pick it apart with ease?

When I saw our DB's up on the LOS, I was like "ABOUT TIME!" Why let a finesse QB who destroys zone coverage get comfortable with his timing? Brady and their WR's were clearly frustrated. All you need to do is slow that offense down and you can beat them. I want to know why it took us this long to try this?

lebeaus zone blitz scheme is much more effective when we dont spot the opposition 21 points off of TO's. :hunch:

his scheme was just fine in 2004, and 2005 (when randle el gave them the game) plus it destroyed matt cassell.

his scheme was designed to slow down the likes of joe montana (which brady is). kinda ironic out of san francisco's 5 SB's the only ones worth watching where it was even close was the 2 vs the bungles of all teams (with lebeau on the staff).

he gave them fits.

the system usually works. what lebeau proved is even at the ripe old age of 70+ he isnt unwilling to adapt and evolve.

important to note that brady and moss were scorching press coverage in 07.

Bayz101
11-03-2011, 02:01 AM
It seems to me that on a lot of the helmet-to-helmet plays that happened against the Pats, the Pats players seemed to lower there helmets into the pursuing players helmet, initiating contact.