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Fire Arians
11-07-2011, 11:50 AM
Well, it's hard to stay positive after last night's win, but it's not the end of the world. We might have lost but we were very much in it and stayed toe to toe with the ravens until the end and went down swinging. Here's some observations from the game:

Woodley is worth the money. Criticized heavily in the beginning of the season, and started to turn it on later. Of course, was still claimed to have only been a product of 'the system' and anyone could do what he was doing in the same position (esp. according to the woodendong report @stillers.com). Well, Jason Worilds gets a start and does very little. The team was definitely missing woodley last night.

James Harrison is back and as good as ever. I'd have to agree that his eye injury was a blessing in disguise. Harrison is back and looks to be 100% healthy. Next week vs the bengals, we can have an appropriate Steeler welcome to the NFL for the rookie qb.

Keenan Lewis needs to be the fulltime #2 CB. Not Gay bashing here, Gay is OK. He just belongs in the nickel as the #3 or #4 db. Watching him against Tory Smith last night really showed his lack of top end speed. When keenan covered the rookie, he gave up a pass, but didn't get beat deep. Lewis has the speed and physical tools to cover the speedier recievers, gay does not.

Ben needs to be given the chance to 'win' games for us. We always talk about who are the 'elite' quarterbacks in the league, and Ben always gets in the discussion. One thing in common with 'elite' qb's is that their team/coaching staff puts the ball in their hands in the final 2 minutes and trusts them to get the 1st down. They do nothing of this 'playing it safe' thing and just simply trust their best player on the team to win. If Ben is this elite qb, then our OC needs to stop with the chicken shit playcalling and let Ben win the damn game.

As much as I hate to say it, this team is better without Hines Ward. Hines Ward has been my favorite player for many years, and still is my favorite on the team. It pains me to say his career is done. Antonio Brown proved that his recent success wasn't a fluke and has played with the poise of a veteran, he is ready for prime time. Cotchery is a solid possession WR and looks like hines ward of 5 years ago (have to agree with collinsworth on that). Hines will be forever remembered as a steeler legend, but unfortunately, all good things have to come to an end.

We need to give mendenhall another shot. We need to trust in this guy to pound the rock. Yes he hasn't played well early in the season, but he will come around. I think we should run the ball a little more. It seems like right now, judging by the playcalling, that the OC doesn't have much faith in rashard to get the job done. I thought he had himself a good game vs the ravens despite having limited carries.

Offensive Line is coming around. They have been doing great since max starks came back. If they stay healthy, this unit will only get better.

The Ravens do not 'own' us. The game could have went either way and IMO this officiating crew gave us some bad calls, and a coaches challenge that should have went our way that they also dicked us out of. A third meeting will be possible and should be another nailbiter, even if it is being played in baltimore. Who knows, with the teams as evenly matched as they are, we have a 50/50 shot of it going our way next time.

I'm not ready to say it's their division yet. The ravens have had a tendency to underachieve vs. teams that they should be blowing out of the water, and I expect them to lose 1-2 more regular season games. If we can finish at 12-4, we may end up winning the division. But enough about the ravens, this week is about the Bengals, let's do this.

DanRooney
11-07-2011, 11:52 AM
Woodley is worth the money or Jason Worilds sucks. Whichever way you look at it. :wink02: I really hated that draft pick with a passion.

And about Hines Ward...how long have I been saying that? :-P

Danny136200
11-07-2011, 11:55 AM
Ben needs to be given the chance to 'win' games for us. We always talk about who are the 'elite' quarterbacks in the league, and Ben always gets in the discussion. One thing in common with 'elite' qb's is that their team/coaching staff puts the ball in their hands in the final 2 minutes and trusts them to get the 1st down. They do nothing of this 'playing it safe' thing and just simply trust their best player on the team to win. If Ben is this elite qb, then our OC needs to stop with the chicken shit playcalling and let Ben win the damn game.




I dont agree with you on this one. Through out the second half, Ben was pretty much calling his own plays. And on the last offensive drive, they did go chicken shit conservative (LOL cowboys), they put the ball in their best player's hands. Its a shame though, because a dropped pass and a mis-communication costs us on that drive.

DanRooney
11-07-2011, 12:03 PM
David Johnson and Mewelde Moore were great options to get that last first down!

mizzouristeeler
11-07-2011, 12:06 PM
The david johnson play was a good call. He was wide open and had plenty of space. But he dropped it. What are you gonna do.

StainlessStill
11-07-2011, 12:12 PM
The david johnson play was a good call. He was wide open and had plenty of space. But he dropped it. What are you gonna do.

Yep. I agree. I thought it was a nice attack, coming out passing on first down. That drop by Johnson is truly the one haunting me today. He had 8-10 yards easily on that, game over. I liked the play call on 1st down, unfortunately, we didn't make the play.

Fire Arians
11-07-2011, 12:13 PM
The david johnson play was a good call. He was wide open and had plenty of space. But he dropped it. What are you gonna do.

true. if he caught the ball he had some room to run, that could have sealed the game right there if he held on

casteeler
11-07-2011, 12:25 PM
I don't understand why Lewis and Gay are CBs on a team that really wants to be a contender or an elite team. The Ravens converted on 14 of 21 3rd down attempts and the last drive the Ravens didn't even have to Burn their final T.O as they easily marched 92 yards to score the winning TD. The secondary has been a problem for the past few years, why isn't this addressed?

SoCalFan
11-07-2011, 12:33 PM
Ward has made so many key catches for us,how could you discredit that? Yea,maybe downgrade him to a more limited role,blocking situations and 3rd & longs mainly! Nobody I want in the lineup more to go across the middle! I dont know how he does it but he gets separation!

Sixburgher
11-07-2011, 12:36 PM
Ben needs to be given the chance to 'win' games for us. We always talk about who are the 'elite' quarterbacks in the league, and Ben always gets in the discussion. One thing in common with 'elite' qb's is that their team/coaching staff puts the ball in their hands in the final 2 minutes and trusts them to get the 1st down. They do nothing of this 'playing it safe' thing and just simply trust their best player on the team to win. If Ben is this elite qb, then our OC needs to stop with the chicken shit playcalling and let Ben win the damn game.

That's kinda why Ben was throwing with 2-3 minutes left, as opposed to running it 3 times up the gut and punting like Cowher would've done. The players need to execute. In other words, Johnson needs to hold onto the damn ball when it hits him in the hands and Moore needs to get turned around when the ball is headed his way. Ben was given every opportunity to win the game and came up one first down short.

Sixburgher
11-07-2011, 12:40 PM
I don't understand why Lewis and Gay are CBs on a team that really wants to be a contender or an elite team. The Ravens converted on 14 of 21 3rd down attempts and the last drive the Ravens didn't even have to Burn their final T.O as they easily marched 92 yards to score the winning TD. The secondary has been a problem for the past few years, why isn't this addressed?

See: Cortez Allen and Curtis Brown. Of course, we could have addressed it the way the Eagles did, but that really isn't working so hot for them either, is it?

Fire Arians
11-07-2011, 12:44 PM
That's kinda why Ben was throwing with 2-3 minutes left, as opposed to running it 3 times up the gut and punting like Cowher would've done. The players need to execute. In other words, Johnson needs to hold onto the damn ball when it hits him in the hands and Moore needs to get turned around when the ball is headed his way. Ben was given every opportunity to win the game and came up one first down short.

Yeah you guys are right, I was wrong about that assessment. With that said, ben did put the ball where it needed to be and stepped up. receivers also have to do their part. I hope we don't get away from that philosophy and play turtle ball in the future though. Live and die by the sword, and I think Ben is our man.

StainlessStill
11-07-2011, 12:53 PM
That's kinda why Ben was throwing with 2-3 minutes left, as opposed to running it 3 times up the gut and punting like Cowher would've done. The players need to execute. In other words, Johnson needs to hold onto the damn ball when it hits him in the hands and Moore needs to get turned around when the ball is headed his way. Ben was given every opportunity to win the game and came up one first down short.

Maybe that's why Arians won't unleash the no-huddle more often. (Ben throwing a pick, Johnson dropping a key first down and Moore not turning around for the hot-read.) Ben is certainly playing at a higher speed, it's guys like Johnson that keep the offense from not making strides. That play needed to be made and he puked.

tanda10506
11-07-2011, 01:11 PM
Yeah, we played a form of prevent offense which was stupid. Also, I don't understand why we designed a play to go to Johnson, yes he was open but he's not a "hands" guy. Ben put it on the money and Johnson put it on the grass. As far as the things mentioned about staying positive: I agree the o line was really good, Harrison is back but only him and Foote were playing defense last night, we will be better with Woodley. I am irritated with Gay just like everyone else, but this is his first bad game, and that rookie has been playing well all season, he even't burnt Ike. I'm more angry that after seeing our corner's get beat EVERY 3rd down, LeBeau kept calling the same garbage. I agree though that Lewis is probably a better #2 corner. The fact that we had another real Steelers-Ravens game, unlike the week 1 BS, and that we almost won makes me somewhat optimistic. The refs really helped them out and I know nobody wants to sound like they are complaining about it, but let's be realistic for a second, the refs practically spotted them 7 points on the early pass interference call in the endzone. Take away that 7 from the score and we win, I realize it doesn't work like that, but that was a major "screwing". All that said, the problem is that it is their division now, we will not win every game left. If you speculate and say that we win all but one, that means they have to lose 3, that's not going to happen. Even if we win all of them except one, they will not lose 3. There most likely will be a wild card spot for us if we play correctly, and I know we've won from there before, but it's pretty hard to be optimistic about squeaking into a wild card and winning a playoff game in Baltimore right now.

casteeler
11-07-2011, 01:15 PM
See: Cortez Allen and Curtis Brown. Of course, we could have addressed it the way the Eagles did, but that really isn't working so hot for them either, is it?

The Eagles have NO pass rush so I don't buy that argument, Allen and Brown Who? The Steelers need to remedy the problem now or even last year not in 3 yrs when these 2 guys might be ready.... maybe

tanda10506
11-07-2011, 01:20 PM
As much as I hate to say it, this team is better without Hines Ward. Hines Ward has been my favorite player for many years, and still is my favorite on the team. It pains me to say his career is done. Antonio Brown proved that his recent success wasn't a fluke and has played with the poise of a veteran, he is ready for prime time. Cotchery is a solid possession WR and looks like hines ward of 5 years ago (have to agree with collinsworth on that). Hines will be forever remembered as a steeler legend, but unfortunately, all good things have to come to an end.

I agree with this to a point, but he's not "done". The overall passing game is better with Brown playing #2 then Ward, that is true. At this point, I don't think that's even a question. The thing with Ward is he's there when it counts. Against teams like the ravens, he always gets that 20 yard catch in the middle of the field on third down to keep the drive alive. He's still better in the redzone then everybody except maybe Miller. He's not done, he's just not a starting receiver anymore. Bring him in on 3rd down when we are 3+ wide and in the redzone. There's no doubt in my mind that Ben would have been looking for Ward rather then Moore or Johnson, and Ward would have made the play because they have done it time and time again.

Sixburgher
11-07-2011, 01:22 PM
The Eagles have NO pass rush so I don't buy that argument, Allen and Brown Who? The Steelers need to remedy the problem now or even last year not in 3 yrs when these 2 guys might be ready.... maybe

Isn't that why the Eagles invested quite heavily in "shutdown" corners, including one of the two best (according to most personnel experts) in the league? Or maybe we could essentially mortgage a couple years worth of drafts to trade up in the first round to grab a true blue chip prospect like Patrick Peterson, and not some high second round grade of player like we usually get. You know, the same Patrick Peterson that was absolutely schooled by Boldin last week? Nobody was complaining about the secondary after the Patriots game, but now many are quick to want to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Relax.

tanda10506
11-07-2011, 01:30 PM
The Eagles have NO pass rush so I don't buy that argument, Allen and Brown Who? The Steelers need to remedy the problem now or even last year not in 3 yrs when these 2 guys might be ready.... maybe

The Eagles addressed the pass rush too though, free agents don't always work out no matter who they are. Gay had a bad game, but I don't think a free agent new to the system would come in and play better then Gay has this season, not right away. Gay has actually played pretty well and so has Lewis. After last night I say we should start Lewis and bring Gay in on the nickle. When the defense stays on the field a lot like last night, the pass rush never gets there, and the same plays that haven't worked all game keep getting called, ANY "average" CB will get exposed, Taylor was one lucky drop away from being burnt for the game winning catch. He was burnt other times too. Everybody had poor coverage last night except for Foote, and Keisel on one play lol, just because Gay happened to be the last one to get burnt doesn't mean we need a FA corner, these guys just shut down Brady a week before.

casteeler
11-07-2011, 02:07 PM
Well I guess I'm alone in thinking the secondary stinks

NoFieldFive
11-07-2011, 02:18 PM
the secondary gets ragged on a lot but haven't they given up the least amount of yards in the NFL this year...or close to it.

the last Steelers drive....there are times Ben can run the ball for 5 yards. times like that he can often get the first down and also keep the clock moving.

the throw to Moore seemed rushed. I don't remember Ben being under pressure on that throw.

seems like Miller is either used a lot or not at all. need to keep him active the entire game.