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Stlrs4Life
06-17-2006, 10:22 AM
Quietly but systematically, the Bush Administration is advancing the plan to build a huge NAFTA Super Highway, four football-fields-wide, through the heart of the U.S. along Interstate 35, from the Mexican border at Laredo, Tex., to the Canadian border north of Duluth, Minn.

Once complete, the new road will allow containers from the Far East to enter the United States through the Mexican port of Lazaro Cardenas, bypassing the Longshoreman?s Union in the process. The Mexican trucks, without the involvement of the Teamsters Union, will drive on what will be the nation?s most modern highway straight into the heart of America. The Mexican trucks will cross border in FAST lanes, checked only electronically by the new ?SENTRI? system. The first customs stop will be a Mexican customs office in Kansas City, their new Smart Port complex, a facility being built for Mexico at a cost of $3 million to the U.S. taxpayers in Kansas City.

As incredible as this plan may seem to some readers, the first Trans-Texas Corridor segment of the NAFTA Super Highway is ready to begin construction next year. Various U.S. government agencies, dozens of state agencies, and scores of private NGOs (non-governmental organizations) have been working behind the scenes to create the NAFTA Super Highway, despite the lack of comment on the plan by President Bush. The American public is largely asleep to this key piece of the coming ?North American Union? that government planners in the new trilateral region of United States, Canada and Mexico are about to drive into reality.

Just examine the following websites to get a feel for the magnitude of NAFTA Super Highway planning that has been going on without any new congressional legislation directly authorizing the construction of the planned international corridor through the center of the country.

http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=15497




How in the heck is this good for America? Another case of Dumbya putting it to the regular working man. Doesn't surprise me though.

Livinginthe past
06-17-2006, 01:29 PM
Quietly but systematically, the Bush Administration is advancing the plan to build a huge NAFTA Super Highway, four football-fields-wide, through the heart of the U.S. along Interstate 35, from the Mexican border at Laredo, Tex., to the Canadian border north of Duluth, Minn.

Once complete, the new road will allow containers from the Far East to enter the United States through the Mexican port of Lazaro Cardenas, bypassing the Longshoreman?s Union in the process. The Mexican trucks, without the involvement of the Teamsters Union, will drive on what will be the nation?s most modern highway straight into the heart of America. The Mexican trucks will cross border in FAST lanes, checked only electronically by the new ?SENTRI? system. The first customs stop will be a Mexican customs office in Kansas City, their new Smart Port complex, a facility being built for Mexico at a cost of $3 million to the U.S. taxpayers in Kansas City.

As incredible as this plan may seem to some readers, the first Trans-Texas Corridor segment of the NAFTA Super Highway is ready to begin construction next year. Various U.S. government agencies, dozens of state agencies, and scores of private NGOs (non-governmental organizations) have been working behind the scenes to create the NAFTA Super Highway, despite the lack of comment on the plan by President Bush. The American public is largely asleep to this key piece of the coming ?North American Union? that government planners in the new trilateral region of United States, Canada and Mexico are about to drive into reality.

Just examine the following websites to get a feel for the magnitude of NAFTA Super Highway planning that has been going on without any new congressional legislation directly authorizing the construction of the planned international corridor through the center of the country.

http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=15497




How in the heck is this good for America? Another case of Dumbya putting it to the regular working man. Doesn't surprise me though.

Well I suppose the initial construction contracts will be worth alot of money - and should put money in the hnads of the working man.

I can see how, long term, this road could be a disadvantage - with cheap goods being transported into the country by cheap labor behind the wheel of a mexican truck.

The cost of just the Indiana section alone will amount to 1.8 billion dollars, of which the American taxpayer will be expected to contribute 1.44 billion (approx 80%).

So, it seems that you will be paying for the privelege of putting other Americans out of work.

Factor in costs to the environment, which is something the Bush government doesn't seem to bothered about anyway, and you have a pretty dangerous proposition to the average American.

Its good that people are becoming aware of this, lets hope it doesnt become another pro-Bush/ anti-Bush mudslinging exercise - there are much bigger issues at stake here.

Nice find Stlrs4life.

NM

MattsMe
06-17-2006, 06:06 PM
:coffee: I first read about this when Clinton was still in office. This little project is not Bush's baby.

tony hipchest
06-17-2006, 06:09 PM
:coffee: I first read about this when Clinton was still in office. This little project is not Bush's baby. the republican congress's baby?

Hawk Believer
06-17-2006, 06:37 PM
the republican congress's baby?
I think this one has to be pinned on both parties.

I remember back in high school having to read an article by Gore Vidal in which he thesis was we really have a 1 party system. The two parties agree on 95% of the status quo and make a big deal about some realtively inconsequential things to make us feel like we have a vigorous government that considers all sides of every issue.

I don't fully agree with that, but I do think NAFTA is a case that fits well into his theory. The left and the right pushed this along without much debate. And there sure seemed to be a lot of the people who they represent who don't agree with it. Ultimately I think that both the Republicans and Democrats were looking out mostly for multinational corporations when they passed NAFTA.

Course then we get into the classic Wallmart debate - are poor Americans served better by low cost of goods and crappy jobs or better jobs with higher prices? Guess it doesn't matter what we think if the WTO continues to dictate market rules...

MattsMe
06-17-2006, 07:37 PM
the republican congress's baby?

I think it's just Washington's baby. But that won't matter much, it'll be widely viewed as a conspiracy by the current administration before too long.

CAH
06-17-2006, 10:22 PM
Clinton signed NAFTA. I was busy fighting against it.

Suitanim
06-18-2006, 04:56 PM
NAFTA was supposed to create a powerful bloc of Western Hemisphere allies to keep costs down in a fight against the European bloc and the Pacific Rim bloc.

This 15 year old idea of a super highway would have made sense if any of the shit that NAFTA was supposed to do actually came to pass.

The article above is completely irrelevant...

Stlrs4Life
06-18-2006, 09:39 PM
:coffee: I first read about this when Clinton was still in office. This little project is not Bush's baby.


Don't care, your boy isn't doing anything to stop it. And it was a Republican Congress with Clinton to pass it, and even though Clinton made the mistake to sign NAFTA, Dumbya Sr. started NAFTA.

MattsMe
06-18-2006, 09:44 PM
Don't care, your boy isn't doing anything to stop it. And it was a Republican Congress with Clinton to pass it, and even though Clinton made the mistake to sign NAFTA, Dumbya Sr. started NAFTA.

"My boy?" That pretty much says it all.

Hawk Believer
06-18-2006, 09:56 PM
I really feel like this is one of those cases where people feel pissed off about a policy (NAFTA) and they instinctively want to blame the party they aren't affiliated with. But both parties are equally culpable. They are both looking out for the multinationals.

MattsMe
06-18-2006, 10:01 PM
I really feel like this is one of those cases where people feel pissed off about a policy (NAFTA) and they instinctively want to blame the party they aren't affiliated with. But both parties are equally culpable. They are both looking out for the multinationals.

Bingo!

Maidenarcher
06-18-2006, 10:42 PM
Guys,

Let's just face reality...I don't care if you're a elephant or a jackass.....Most, if not all politicians have no idea or concern about what the people want. They are in politics for themselves and not because they want to be a servant to the public....You do the best you can as an American to vote according to your ideas or beliefs...Then after they get your vote and become elected they totally change directions politically on important issues to please Washington instead of the constituents that voted them into office.
What gets really old is all of the ignorance of the American people who just continue to point the finger from one party to the next....The Democrats blame the Republicans and vice versa....They are all to blame.....Perhaps some more and others less.....

Livinginthe past
06-19-2006, 03:05 AM
Guys,

Let's just face reality...I don't care if you're a elephant or a jackass.....Most, if not all politicians have no idea or concern about what the people want. They are in politics for themselves and not because they want to be a servant to the public....You do the best you can as an American to vote according to your ideas or beliefs...Then after they get your vote and become elected they totally change directions politically on important issues to please Washington instead of the constituents that voted them into office.
What gets really old is all of the ignorance of the American people who just continue to point the finger from one party to the next....The Democrats blame the Republicans and vice versa....They are all to blame.....Perhaps some more and others less.....

Great post Archer,

I guess its second nature to have these debates develop into a Dems v Repubs debate - but I dont feel that is what its really all about.

Over in the UK, we have the same thing - people are dying of preventable diseases in our hospitals, and all the useless politicians can do is try and score points of the opposition - "If the previous administration hadn't left us in such a bad situation......."

I think we all deserve a little better than what amounts to a school yard p*ssing contest between the people we elect.

There are some hugely important subjects up for debate each and every day - stuff that directly affects me and you - and alot of us fall into the trap of treating it like backing your football team when they are going through a rough patch.

Its good that people are becoming aware of this, lets hope it doesnt become another pro-Bush/ anti-Bush mudslinging exercise - there are much bigger issues at stake here.

If left to their own devices most Governments will try and screw you, it doesn't matter if they are Republican, Democrats, Conservative or Labour - most of them are out to improve their lot in life - if we want them to do our bidding (as they as paid to do) then they should be held accountable for every decision they make.

NM

Suitanim
06-19-2006, 08:21 AM
Wow...maybe it's too obvious, so let me try again.

NAFTA...North American Free Trade Agreement...create BLOC of Canada/US/Mexico to compete globally with seperate European and Pacific Rim Bloc's.

This highway is going to be used to ship goods FROM THE FAR EAST through Mexico and into the US. Who gives a shit about who signed off on this, or the unions being cut out of the deal? The entire irony lies in the fact that goods that were SUPPOSED to be manufactured cheaply in Mexico (the central tenet of the whole reason NAFTA was enacted in the first place) are actually being manufactured in China. This defeats the whole purpose of NAFTA.

NAFTA should be repealed immediately...

Maidenarcher
06-19-2006, 09:43 AM
Suitanim,

I totally understood what you were talking about.....And I agree what a mess, maybe more of a mess than we could ever imagine......And you are right about who cares who signed off on this....That is the whole point that Livinginthepast and I were trying to make.

Stlrs4Life
06-19-2006, 06:08 PM
Wow...maybe it's too obvious, so let me try again.

NAFTA...North American Free Trade Agreement...create BLOC of Canada/US/Mexico to compete globally with seperate European and Pacific Rim Bloc's.

This highway is going to be used to ship goods FROM THE FAR EAST through Mexico and into the US. Who gives a shit about who signed off on this, or the unions being cut out of the deal? The entire irony lies in the fact that goods that were SUPPOSED to be manufactured cheaply in Mexico (the central tenet of the whole reason NAFTA was enacted in the first place) are actually being manufactured in China. This defeats the whole purpose of NAFTA.

NAFTA should be repealed immediately...


Exactly. It should be repealed.

Suitanim
06-19-2006, 06:21 PM
Exactly. It should be repealed.

Thank you. That was, is, and will always be the only thing I have to say about this absolutely horrible POS legislation that was force-fed down the American public's throat.

Hawk Believer
06-19-2006, 06:22 PM
Wow...maybe it's too obvious, so let me try again.

NAFTA...North American Free Trade Agreement...create BLOC of Canada/US/Mexico to compete globally with seperate European and Pacific Rim Bloc's.

This highway is going to be used to ship goods FROM THE FAR EAST through Mexico and into the US. Who gives a shit about who signed off on this, or the unions being cut out of the deal? The entire irony lies in the fact that goods that were SUPPOSED to be manufactured cheaply in Mexico (the central tenet of the whole reason NAFTA was enacted in the first place) are actually being manufactured in China. This defeats the whole purpose of NAFTA.

NAFTA should be repealed immediately...

IMHO, that was the reason for NAFTA on paper. It sounded nice and gave the politicians a reason to pat themselves on the back in spite of much dissent. But if you look at who essentially wrote and lobbied for NAFTA legislation you'll find gigantic multinational corporations. They didn't care about Pac Rim vs. N. America vs. Europe. They are global and just more favorable market conditions. Agreement like NAFTA and groups like the WTO force nations to operate their economies at the lowest common denominator.

So I guess that I am not going to try to hold my breath until our government repeals it. Its here to stay because corporations pay the campaign bills. IMHO.

Suitanim
06-19-2006, 06:40 PM
But, by that same measure, if we can't believe ANYTHING they pitch us, even things that sound reasonably well thought out and rational at the time, then what is the point of even having a government in any form?

I don't think that this was what anybody originally intended to happen, but economic realities are the hardest things to predict, and always make the strangest bedfellows...

Hawk Believer
06-19-2006, 07:04 PM
economic realities are the hardest things to predict, and always make the strangest bedfellows...
True dat.

But there were a lot of people who were predicting that NAFTA was the beginning of a slipppery slope and that it would hurt the people/nations it was trying to help more than it would hurt them.

Course, I suppose that no government can impliment any policy without a bunch of people predicting it will all turn out wrong.

You know what I think is by far the best thing the government has done legislative-wise in my adult lifetime? The Do Not Call list. I can't get over what a difference it makes to not have your phone ring 2-4 times a night with telemarketers. So there is one case where our representatives struck a blow for the common man. But that is the only one I can think of. Maybe we should all write our legislators about spam laws.

SteelShooter
06-19-2006, 07:21 PM
Wow...maybe it's too obvious, so let me try again.

NAFTA...North American Free Trade Agreement...create BLOC of Canada/US/Mexico to compete globally with seperate European and Pacific Rim Bloc's.

This highway is going to be used to ship goods FROM THE FAR EAST through Mexico and into the US. Who gives a shit about who signed off on this, or the unions being cut out of the deal? The entire irony lies in the fact that goods that were SUPPOSED to be manufactured cheaply in Mexico (the central tenet of the whole reason NAFTA was enacted in the first place) are actually being manufactured in China. This defeats the whole purpose of NAFTA.

NAFTA should be repealed immediately...


:stupid: I agree Bro!

SteelShooter
06-19-2006, 07:23 PM
Guys,

Let's just face reality...I don't care if you're a elephant or a jackass.....Most, if not all politicians have no idea or concern about what the people want. They are in politics for themselves and not because they want to be a servant to the public....You do the best you can as an American to vote according to your ideas or beliefs...Then after they get your vote and become elected they totally change directions politically on important issues to please Washington instead of the constituents that voted them into office.
What gets really old is all of the ignorance of the American people who just continue to point the finger from one party to the next....The Democrats blame the Republicans and vice versa....They are all to blame.....Perhaps some more and others less.....


Well worded Archer! Reps coming your way!

Maidenarcher
06-19-2006, 10:07 PM
Well worded Archer! Reps coming your way!


Thanks SteelerShooter.....I knew you had to be cool when I noticed you were from Houston. My old stomping ground.....

floodcitygirl
06-19-2006, 11:37 PM
You know what I think is by far the best thing the government has done legislative-wise in my adult lifetime? The Do Not Call list. I can't get over what a difference it makes to not have your phone ring 2-4 times a night with telemarketers. So there is one case where our representatives struck a blow for the common man. But that is the only one I can think of. Maybe we should all write our legislators about spam laws.I don't know that I can say it is the "best" legislation but it has definately helped to destress my household! If you thought it was bad in the evening, you should see what it's like during the day! That No Call List has been very effective - amazing!

Hines0wnz
01-08-2007, 10:31 AM
My company's USA HQ is in Austin so I get decent info about this. Like the new toll bypass around Austin is bascially the first leg in the "superhighway." They werent supposed to start charging tolls until this month but they have been monitoring vehicles traveling on it since it opened a few months ago. Also, a co-worker of mine there told me about the "environmental impact" meetings that were being held with the public. It ended up being just a front to keep pushing this highway through. And all of this is endorsed by a governor who was re-elected with under 40% of the vote in November.

stlrtruck
01-08-2007, 12:40 PM
Repeal NAFTA and start a new Trade Agreement

FUSTA (For United States Trade Agreement)

And make it real simple terms...

If you're import is an attempt to derail the American Dream, then we will put a tax on it so high, you won't be able to afford it.

If you're company is outsourcing, then we're going to lay a fine on you for taking jobs away from Americans.

If you hire illegals, then you'll get fined

Something along those lines!!

fansince'76
01-08-2007, 12:49 PM
Simply more proof that NEITHER party could give a rat's ass less about the middle class in this country.

Stlrs4Life
01-08-2007, 04:13 PM
Repeal NAFTA and start a new Trade Agreement

FUSTA (For United States Trade Agreement)

And make it real simple terms...

If you're import is an attempt to derail the American Dream, then we will put a tax on it so high, you won't be able to afford it.

If you're company is outsourcing, then we're going to lay a fine on you for taking jobs away from Americans.

If you hire illegals, then you'll get fined

Something along those lines!!



I want you for our next President. That would make too much sense.

stlrtruck
01-11-2007, 08:57 AM
I want you for our next President. That would make too much sense.

I appreciate the vote of confidence but I think many of the younger ones would be calling for my impeachment when I return to the "Good Old Days!" When children were obedient and respectful, or disciplined for not being so! When a man had to pay for the crimes he had done and victims had rights and not the criminals! When hard time was HARD TIME!

But, they were also times that this country and it's people THRIVED! They lived, they helped each other, not shot at each other.

Anyone know how I can get on the next election ballot!

I just wonder if I can get congress to buy in to it too!

SteelCzar76
01-11-2007, 09:32 AM
Anyone know how I can get on the next election ballot!

I just wonder if I can get congress to buy in to it too!


I think you'd have to be of "Illuminated" descent Truck. (LOL) Not that this is a bad thing by any means. (for the most part the masses could not handle TRUTH)
And many might not agree,....but i believe what we need now more than anything is leadership that would make the NECCESSARY "hard math" decisions. We (USA) for better or worse are the last "super power" so to speak,.....yet we have become far too soft. And are slowly but surely losing our "NATIONAL " identity.





"Hail Caesar,......HAIL THE BLACK AND GOLD"

floodcitygirl
01-11-2007, 09:36 AM
I agree with both of you. I think we may have our running team!

SteelCzar76
01-11-2007, 12:07 PM
I agree with both of you. I think we may have our running team!


I don't know if you'd want me in power FloodCity LOL I'd close ALL borders (at least for the next hundred years) and require that every citizen holds NO other allegiance before that of this Nation. (this would include all peoples of any ethnic descent)
And if "provoked" by any foreign power i would wage "total war" (ie no "sitting duck" police duty for our soldiers) just "foot to azz" and bring home the spoils.

And in turn i would make certain that those "spoils" would benefit the people of this Nation before any other. Using them to place greater economic emphasis on education, the Arts, research and technology. As well as that of quality health care and retirement for all citizens. (Basically if you declare yourself an enemy,.....you will pay for it in all fashions)

We waste so much money,....in "bribes" catering to the political agenda's of other countries. I think it's time we took care of "In house affairs". Even if it requires the "Iron fist in the velvet glove" so to speak. LOL
Bottom line,..... i think you might consider me something of a "Dictator". (Though i would have the purerest intentions i assure you) LOL





"Hail Caesar,.......HAIL THE BLACK AND GOLD"

stlrtruck
01-11-2007, 12:33 PM
Well, I wouldn't close the border for 100 years, only 50! But that doesn't mean I wouldn't close them for another 50 after that.
Next, round up the illegals and shove them over the wall to Mexico! What wall you ask? The one that would be started 15 minutes after arriving in the Oval! For those that are illegal from overseas - find your way home via Mexico.
I like the Iron Fist in a Velvet Glove touch. Nice. Although that may not be the best policy at all times, I definitely think it's time to come back to the "America First" thought process.
Second, this nation stands as One Nation Under GOD! We've lost that identity as well. The foundation of this country is based on scripture. Our Forefathers did not picture the State of the Union to be like this when they set it up.
So Czar when do you want to put our names on the ballot?

SteelCzar76
01-11-2007, 01:11 PM
So Czar when do you want to put our names on the ballot?



Oh i have the distinct impression that someone would finish us before we even got the chance Truck :sofunny: :sofunny:
The good of the people isn't always in the best buisness interest of some with great Corporate concerns. Don't get me wrong,.... industry and free enterprise are of great value to the economic health of our country. But if allowed to "run amuck" it can consume and or destroy us. (By manipulating political policies)



"Hail Caesar,.......HAIL THE BLACK AND GOLD"

floodcitygirl
01-11-2007, 02:12 PM
Like I said, I think we have our team! I have full confidence that you two would hammer out the foreign policy to perfection.

Livinginthe past
01-11-2007, 02:28 PM
I don't know if you'd want me in power FloodCity LOL I'd close ALL borders (at least for the next hundred years) and require that every citizen holds NO other allegiance before that of this Nation. (this would include all peoples of any ethnic descent)
And if "provoked" by any foreign power i would wage "total war" (ie no "sitting duck" police duty for our soldiers) just "foot to azz" and bring home the spoils.

And in turn i would make certain that those "spoils" would benefit the people of this Nation before any other. Using them to place greater economic emphasis on education, the Arts, research and technology. As well as that of quality health care and retirement for all citizens. (Basically if you declare yourself an enemy,.....you will pay for it in all fashions)

We waste so much money,....in "bribes" catering to the political agenda's of other countries. I think it's time we took care of "In house affairs". Even if it requires the "Iron fist in the velvet glove" so to speak. LOL
Bottom line,..... i think you might consider me something of a "Dictator". (Though i would have the purerest intentions i assure you) LOL





"Hail Caesar,.......HAIL THE BLACK AND GOLD"

Czar by name.....Tsar by nature :wink02:

I am now a firm believer in reincarnation...welcome back Mr Lenin.

NM

stlrtruck
01-11-2007, 03:19 PM
Like I said, I think we have our team! I have full confidence that you two would hammer out the foreign policy to perfection.

Of course by hammer you mean running a few carpet bombs by night..yeah I'm sure we'll have 'em right in shape by the following football season.

Because you know, the first idiotic country leader or terrorist group that decided to mess up football season, would have my truck driven right up...oh wait...sorry I lost myself! Anyway, you get the point!

SteelCzar76
01-11-2007, 06:15 PM
Czar by name.....Tsar by nature :wink02:

I am now a firm believer in reincarnation...welcome back Mr Lenin.

NM



LOL-Actually LITP,....even though i pronounce it Czar here,...."I think welcome back Mr Caesar" is a little more fitting. (At least that's what the seers say) :sofunny:




"Hail Caesar,.......HAIL THE BLACK AND GOLD"