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mesaSteeler
12-02-2011, 07:17 AM
Steelers run game lacks results this season

By Scott Brown
PITTSBURGH TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Friday, December 2, 2011

There were dropped passes and penalties, including a silly one for having too many men in the huddle.

But what irked Bruce Arians most about an offense that managed only one touchdown last Sunday in Kansas City is that the Steelers averaged 3.9 yards per carry.

"It's got to pick up for us to be where we want to be," the Steelers' offensive coordinator said Thursday. "It's not the number of carries, it's the quality of the carries. When we run it, we have to run it better."

Sledding for the Steelers' running backs may not get any easier Sunday.

The Cincinnati Bengals visit Heinz Field for a 1 p.m. game, and they bring with them the NFL's fifth-ranked rushing defense (92.7 yards allowed per game). They limited the Steelers to 3.5 yards per carry Nov. 13 in Cincinnati.

The AFC North rematch represents the Steelers' first game in December, and that may be as significant as it is symbolic.

The importance of the running game is magnified at this time of year, especially in cold-weather climates, where weather is such an X-factor. That reality may explain the timing of Arians calling out the running game.

"That wind starts blowing, it starts to get cold, that ball starts to get hard, you've got to be able to run the ball, make teams start to quit and give up," said running back Isaac Redman, who is second on the Steelers with 267 rushing yards. "It's something we really haven't done this year is run the ball down teams' throats."

The Steelers are averaging 4.2 yards per carry and rank 18th in rushing offense (109.6) despite throwing the ball 57 percent of the time.

There seems to be a feeling in the Steelers' locker room that the ground game is close to breaking through even though leading rusher Rashard Mendenhall is on pace for less than 1,000 yards.

"It's going to happen," Steelers right guard Ramon Foster said. "We have the nastiness. We have the athletes, too. We definitely take it on our back to get that started and get a lot better at it."

Arians had high praise for several of the Steelers' offensive linemen yesterday, including Foster and rookie right tackle Marcus Gilbert.

The Steelers picked Gilbert in the second round of this year's NFL draft and had been grooming him to play left tackle. They plugged Gilbert in at right tackle after Willie Colon went down with a season-ending arm injury in the season opener.

"He's actually a better run blocker than Flo right now," Arians said of Flozell Adams, who played right tackle last season. "Flo did an unbelievable job with what he had left in his body last year. His mass covered up people more than he moved them. Marcus is getting movement, and he and Ramon (Foster) have become a pretty solid side as far as run blocking."

Arians has been criticized for being too enamored with the pass. And when asked about talk by the running backs that they would like more opportunities, Arians smiled.

"Run it better, we'll run it more," he said. "It's just like the passing game every receiver wants it. It's a nice problem to have."

Scott Brown can be reached at sbrown@tribweb.com or 412-481-5432.

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(Please Santa all I want for Christmas is a new OC who knows how and when to RUN the ball. - mesa)

MDSteel15
12-02-2011, 07:49 AM
If we used a FB we could run the ball!!!

steelfury02
12-02-2011, 08:29 AM
Yea Bruce, because the screen to Hines has ALWAYS worked right (NOT) ? so that is why you keep calling it?

Rashard gains a little confidence and breaks off a 7 to 10 yard run and then you immediately switch it to a pass. I bet you won't stop throwing a 30 yard pass to Wallace when its 3rd and 4.

Don't throw it to Heath even though he continues to make great catches when his number is finally called.

Oh yea and one more thing Bruce - when are you going to tell your running backs to stop lining up a whole 7 yards behind Ben. Might want to get a little more creative instead of running it to the right.

Oh, and once you start succeeding against defenses with that empty set 3rd and 1 you should keep calling it - until then - STOP THE MADNESS

DanRooney
12-02-2011, 08:31 AM
Funny how he says "run it better, run it more," yet immediately after 2 great runs by Mendenhall, Ben throws 40+yard bombs to Wallace. One was intercepted. One was incomplete.

steelfury02
12-02-2011, 08:45 AM
Anyone have any stats on number of times Mewelde's number has been called over Redman? It seems like Redman has been lost in the shuffle or am I wrong on this one?

In general, I wish we as fans would have something tangible to say ok, the Steelers are playing this team, so Bruce usually attacks them this way. It seems like we are playing against ourselves, practicing things to see what works instead of actual game planning.

I'm sure to some degree that is always the case with most teams that you don't know until you try it - but I just don't see anything logical. Ed Bouchette of PPG is usually the first in line to defend Arians and continually has brought up Wallace dropping the ball and Moore not fumbling the ball at the goal line. I put that Moore fumble as being more of a great play by Chiefs D (much like the Matthews play on Mendenhall in XLV) than him being reckless with it. As far as Wallace dropping it - yes, one of those he should have caught, but that's the reason it is a low percentage play - the distance makes it a hard ball to catch - why else do people erupt when those plays connect?

Please, please, please more logic! Like I said yesterday, this team has proven to step it up in playoffs and put together great games on offense but even then we are either playing from behind or holding onto a lead. We have yet to see this group get out to a huge lead and keep the foot on the pedal. Fine line - basically for my selfish reasons, I'm tired of the heart attack games!

NoFieldFive
12-02-2011, 09:32 AM
the Steelers' offense seems to come out different every game. they seem to lack an identity. when you play quality teams you know what their plan is as it works game in and game out. each week the Steelers' offense comes out you don't know what they are going to look like. One game Miller has 7 catches and the next game 1. One game they run no huddle 80% of the time and then you don't see it for 3 games. One game it's quick short drops and passes that work great (and little sacks on Ben). Then 4 games goes by and you see no quick drops/passes, a 5 sack game and a beat up Ben.

Look at film, see what works, make that who you are and tweak that to make perfection. run with it until it no longer works.

Big Daddy Beast
12-02-2011, 09:44 AM
Ah, the art of making a non-issue an issue for the sake of a story. If we were sitting with a mere 2 or 3 wins then we could be concerned about the lack of the running game. But we're not. We're also not a running team anymore.

Facts are facts.

soulkitchen
12-02-2011, 10:06 AM
Probably is a non-issue, but I would just like us to stay on it until they stop it. Don't try to trick the defense every series. I don't care if we run (or pass) every play. If the defense can't stop it keep on it.

Big Daddy Beast
12-02-2011, 10:17 AM
Probably is a non-issue, but I would just like us to stay on it until they stop it. Don't try to trick the defense every series. I don't care if we run (or pass) every play. If the defense can't stop it keep on it.

Don't get me wrong, I want a good ground attack, too. But at the same time it's not all doom-and-gloom because we're missing one right now.

That better change in the playoffs, though, if we want ring #7.

soulkitchen
12-02-2011, 11:18 AM
Just say get back to being a bully and make other teams defense stop what we are doing instead of basically stopping ourselves by being to "cute" sometimes.

DanRooney
12-02-2011, 11:28 AM
"(Marcus Gilbert) is actually a better run blocker than Flo right now," Arians said of Flozell Adams, who played right tackle last season. "Flo did an unbelievable job with what he had left in his body last year. His mass covered up people more than he moved them. Marcus is getting movement, and he and Ramon (Foster) have become a pretty solid side as far as run blocking."

I highly doubt that Bruce...

rich4eagle
12-02-2011, 04:05 PM
Steelers run game lacks results this season

By Scott Brown
PITTSBURGH TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Friday, December 2, 2011

There were dropped passes and penalties, including a silly one for having too many men in the huddle.

But what irked Bruce Arians most about an offense that managed only one touchdown last Sunday in Kansas City is that the Steelers averaged 3.9 yards per carry.

"It's got to pick up for us to be where we want to be," the Steelers' offensive coordinator said Thursday. "It's not the number of carries, it's the quality of the carries. When we run it, we have to run it better."

Sledding for the Steelers' running backs may not get any easier Sunday.

The Cincinnati Bengals visit Heinz Field for a 1 p.m. game, and they bring with them the NFL's fifth-ranked rushing defense (92.7 yards allowed per game). They limited the Steelers to 3.5 yards per carry Nov. 13 in Cincinnati.

The AFC North rematch represents the Steelers' first game in December, and that may be as significant as it is symbolic.

The importance of the running game is magnified at this time of year, especially in cold-weather climates, where weather is such an X-factor. That reality may explain the timing of Arians calling out the running game.

"That wind starts blowing, it starts to get cold, that ball starts to get hard, you've got to be able to run the ball, make teams start to quit and give up," said running back Isaac Redman, who is second on the Steelers with 267 rushing yards. "It's something we really haven't done this year is run the ball down teams' throats."

The Steelers are averaging 4.2 yards per carry and rank 18th in rushing offense (109.6) despite throwing the ball 57 percent of the time.

There seems to be a feeling in the Steelers' locker room that the ground game is close to breaking through even though leading rusher Rashard Mendenhall is on pace for less than 1,000 yards.

"It's going to happen," Steelers right guard Ramon Foster said. "We have the nastiness. We have the athletes, too. We definitely take it on our back to get that started and get a lot better at it."

Arians had high praise for several of the Steelers' offensive linemen yesterday, including Foster and rookie right tackle Marcus Gilbert.

The Steelers picked Gilbert in the second round of this year's NFL draft and had been grooming him to play left tackle. They plugged Gilbert in at right tackle after Willie Colon went down with a season-ending arm injury in the season opener.

"He's actually a better run blocker than Flo right now," Arians said of Flozell Adams, who played right tackle last season. "Flo did an unbelievable job with what he had left in his body last year. His mass covered up people more than he moved them. Marcus is getting movement, and he and Ramon (Foster) have become a pretty solid side as far as run blocking."

Arians has been criticized for being too enamored with the pass. And when asked about talk by the running backs that they would like more opportunities, Arians smiled.

"Run it better, we'll run it more," he said. "It's just like the passing game every receiver wants it. It's a nice problem to have."

Scott Brown can be reached at sbrown@tribweb.com or 412-481-5432.

Read more: Steelers run game lacks results this season - Pittsburgh Tribune-Review http://pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/print_770014.html#ixzz1fNYFjAjn

(Please Santa all I want for Christmas is a new OC who knows how and when to RUN the ball. - mesa)

Well it works this way, Mendenhall is one dimensional back no moves and can only burst outside to the right, so defenses probably get this

OTOH, nobody knows what Redman can do given the load, he has good burst upfield and and great spin move, but has not been given enough carries to see what he really has

Time to let Redman do his thing:tt03:

steelfury02
12-02-2011, 09:12 PM
Yes - we are 8-3, but what is the bottom line here? The fact that we played a desperate Chiefs D making their final stand for any outside shot in hell means nothing to me.

They can't beat New England in Foxboro playing this way, they can't beat the Ravens in M&T playing this way and sure as shite won't beat Green Bay or New Orleans in the SB playing this way.

Essentially, they have yet to make the next step, and because of the evolution of the league - the 35-45 pt scoring juggernauts are going to win the SB, not this team with this type of inconsistent offense

With any outside shot of the division on the line they better step it up and figure out who they are and quickly.

Arians can say what he wants - but this isn't the type of team capable of punching people in the mouth or scoring at will on the road.

Fire Arians
12-02-2011, 10:26 PM
we can score on the road, we proved that in cincy. last week's game was a trap game and they dicked around too much. lucky it didnt result in a loss.

steelfury02
12-03-2011, 07:41 AM
yea, we scored 3 touchdowns and a field goal - but go back and look what we scored in the 4th quarter:

A big fat Zero. A re-occurring theme where we have to hold on for dear life. 14 points in the first quarter and 10 points the rest of the game. That is horrid. If that game gives you comfort for playoff time, I tip my hat to you - cause it doesn't for me

Rick5895
12-03-2011, 08:04 AM
Whether we are great at running or not, we still have to run the ball. That opens up play action especially in the red zone. If we run the ball effectively or not, the threat of run holds LBs especially inside the 10 and that opens up the pass.
Unfortunately that appears beyond Ariens mental scope. So we get all these empty sets. When something works keep doing it, whether its run or pass, with this team constantly looking for the big play is our undoing.
Also , when we run the ball we are way too predictable anymore as to where the ball is going and Mendy keeps trying out for "dancing with the stars." When Mendy lowers his shoulder and runs hard he usually gets positive yards.
We are stuck with this attack this season. here hoping to a new OC and a backfield of Redman, Dwyer and B.Batch next season.

rich4eagle
12-03-2011, 03:41 PM
Steelers run game lacks results this season

By Scott Brown
PITTSBURGH TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Friday, December 2, 2011

There were dropped passes and penalties, including a silly one for having too many men in the huddle.

But what irked Bruce Arians most about an offense that managed only one touchdown last Sunday in Kansas City is that the Steelers averaged 3.9 yards per carry.

"It's got to pick up for us to be where we want to be," the Steelers' offensive coordinator said Thursday. "It's not the number of carries, it's the quality of the carries. When we run it, we have to run it better."

Sledding for the Steelers' running backs may not get any easier Sunday.

The Cincinnati Bengals visit Heinz Field for a 1 p.m. game, and they bring with them the NFL's fifth-ranked rushing defense (92.7 yards allowed per game). They limited the Steelers to 3.5 yards per carry Nov. 13 in Cincinnati.

The AFC North rematch represents the Steelers' first game in December, and that may be as significant as it is symbolic.

The importance of the running game is magnified at this time of year, especially in cold-weather climates, where weather is such an X-factor. That reality may explain the timing of Arians calling out the running game.

"That wind starts blowing, it starts to get cold, that ball starts to get hard, you've got to be able to run the ball, make teams start to quit and give up," said running back Isaac Redman, who is second on the Steelers with 267 rushing yards. "It's something we really haven't done this year is run the ball down teams' throats."

The Steelers are averaging 4.2 yards per carry and rank 18th in rushing offense (109.6) despite throwing the ball 57 percent of the time.

There seems to be a feeling in the Steelers' locker room that the ground game is close to breaking through even though leading rusher Rashard Mendenhall is on pace for less than 1,000 yards.

"It's going to happen," Steelers right guard Ramon Foster said. "We have the nastiness. We have the athletes, too. We definitely take it on our back to get that started and get a lot better at it."

Arians had high praise for several of the Steelers' offensive linemen yesterday, including Foster and rookie right tackle Marcus Gilbert.

The Steelers picked Gilbert in the second round of this year's NFL draft and had been grooming him to play left tackle. They plugged Gilbert in at right tackle after Willie Colon went down with a season-ending arm injury in the season opener.

"He's actually a better run blocker than Flo right now," Arians said of Flozell Adams, who played right tackle last season. "Flo did an unbelievable job with what he had left in his body last year. His mass covered up people more than he moved them. Marcus is getting movement, and he and Ramon (Foster) have become a pretty solid side as far as run blocking."

Arians has been criticized for being too enamored with the pass. And when asked about talk by the running backs that they would like more opportunities, Arians smiled.

"Run it better, we'll run it more," he said. "It's just like the passing game every receiver wants it. It's a nice problem to have."

Scott Brown can be reached at sbrown@tribweb.com or 412-481-5432.

Read more: Steelers run game lacks results this season - Pittsburgh Tribune-Review http://pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/print_770014.html#ixzz1fNYFjAjn

(Please Santa all I want for Christmas is a new OC who knows how and when to RUN the ball. - mesa)

Sorry but the Steelers have never had a guy who pushes the pile since Bettis and further have no home threat now. Mendenhall is disappointing and one deminsional it is time to give Redman the chance to become the Steelers running threat:tt:

Steeler4life1972
12-03-2011, 03:48 PM
the Steelers' offense seems to come out different every game. they seem to lack an identity. when you play quality teams you know what their plan is as it works game in and game out. each week the Steelers' offense comes out you don't know what they are going to look like. One game Miller has 7 catches and the next game 1. One game they run no huddle 80% of the time and then you don't see it for 3 games. One game it's quick short drops and passes that work great (and little sacks on Ben). Then 4 games goes by and you see no quick drops/passes, a 5 sack game and a beat up Ben.

Look at film, see what works, make that who you are and tweak that to make perfection. run with it until it no longer works.

Best post ive heard in a while!! Well said and I totally agree!! Props to you!!:noidea: :tt04:

Steeler4life1972
12-03-2011, 03:55 PM
To further reiterate NOFIELDFIVE's point....this is the exact reason why Arian's needs to go...he says all this stuff to cover his faults thinking us as fans are dumb!! We see the BS Brucey boy...time for you to exit the building! Sorry Ben...time for a new coordinator and for you to learn a new system!!

Ricco Suavez
12-03-2011, 04:05 PM
Whether we are great at running or not, we still have to run the ball. That opens up play action especially in the red zone. If we run the ball effectively or not, the threat of run holds LBs especially inside the 10 and that opens up the pass.
Unfortunately that appears beyond Ariens mental scope. So we get all these empty sets. When something works keep doing it, whether its run or pass, with this team constantly looking for the big play is our undoing.
Also , when we run the ball we are way too predictable anymore as to where the ball is going and Mendy keeps trying out for "dancing with the stars." When Mendy lowers his shoulder and runs hard he usually gets positive yards.
We are stuck with this attack this season. here hoping to a new OC and a backfield of Redman, Dwyer and B.Batch next season.

I agree completely with your observation. Our run to pass ratio is not that bad, but our "O" is pretty predictable at times. Bubble screen, empty set, one back (Mendy) set that is good for an up the gut two yards, and usually on the first two downs. No mixing plays.

During Cowhers Superbowl run of 05 Ben was known as a manager of the offense and Bettis and Parker carried the load, and what did the Steelers do that was out of character but proved effective was let Ben pass on first and second down to set up the run. Only after we had a lead did Cowher go into turtle mode.

Same thing during Tomlins first playoff game against Jaguars we fell behind in the first half due to Bens Interceptions, but fought our way to a late game lead only to go turtle on the last drive and give ball back losing the game.

Arains has called some good games but he is not consistent and it shows in the play of the Steelers, some is execution but I would love to see a change and see if this organization can do better. Trouble is Arians could very well be the best available right now.

ricardisimo
12-03-2011, 05:17 PM
Funny how he says "run it better, run it more," yet immediately after 2 great runs by Mendenhall, Ben throws 40+yard bombs to Wallace. One was intercepted. One was incomplete.
Exactly. Thank you.

The guy does not like the running game. He desperately wants New England's offense, which is funny because Belichick really does make an effort every year to get himself a ground game. He just can't draft RBs to save his life. But whenever he got a hold of quality free agents like Antowain Smith or Corey Dillon, he ran them like crazy... and won it all. He hasn't done shit since.