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12+88=6
12-14-2011, 12:04 AM
remember? he's the guy who clubbed ben in the head on thursday night. he got a flag but has anyone heard of him getting a fine?

or how about Joselio Hanson, from the eagles, he launched himself into lousman and made a much more direct hit to the side of lousman's helmet with the crown of his helmet, any fine for that?

why doesn't espn and nfl network keep show replays of those hits?

and what about the texans lineman who buried the crown of his helmet into harrison's face and broke his eye socket in week 4? i guess that's ok with godell.

or how bout gocong going helmet to helmet with mendy at the goaline? he didn't even try to make a form tackle. i guess when rb's get hit in the head and se it coming, it has no effect to their brain. good call roger. player safety.

DanRooney
12-14-2011, 01:32 AM
You're allowed a helmet to helmet hit on a runner (Mendenhall). I don't know why people keep whining about that.

Sixburgher
12-14-2011, 02:33 AM
You're allowed a helmet to helmet hit on a runner (Mendenhall). I don't know why people keep whining about that.

Because it invalidates the whole "player safety" argument as the completely bogus crock of shit that it is, perhaps?

Fire Arians
12-14-2011, 02:36 AM
phil taylor won't get fined for clubbing ben in the head. goodell only protects the pretty boys like manning and brady

ben is too ugly or something, and because he doesn't have 15 year old girls buying his jersey everywhere, or doing model shoots in GQ magazine, goodell doesn't think he's a big enough cash cow to protect him

Boomer
12-14-2011, 04:59 AM
Because it invalidates the whole "player safety" argument as the completely bogus crock of shit that it is, perhaps?

Exactly. It highlights the whole SAFETY bull crap. The NFL cares about it's players. Oh wait, only certain players.

Navy86
12-14-2011, 06:48 AM
Exactly. It highlights the whole SAFETY bull crap. The NFL cares about it's players. Oh wait, only certain players.

And only chooses to make examples out of other certain players...

Whodis
12-14-2011, 09:30 AM
You're allowed a helmet to helmet hit on a runner (Mendenhall). I don't know why people keep whining about that.

I thought some one posted rules claiming no helmet to helmet on a runner? Just curious, if Tebow rules out of the pocket and gets hit if he decided to throw. What happens? Im getting confused about the rules.

Steelersfan87
12-14-2011, 09:50 AM
You're allowed to hit a runner helmet to helmet because 1) it's impractical and impossible to not tackle a runner helmet to helmet sometimes because they use their own helmet to drive themselves forward and 2) when they are a runner, they are already cognizant of their surroundings and are in a position to defend themselves. I don't see this as hypocrisy. Do you know how many penalties and fines and suspensions there would be every single game if helmet to helmet contact on any runner was a flag?

Also, I don't remember Ben getting "clubbed in the head". When did this happen?

Steelerfreak58
12-14-2011, 09:50 AM
He is not a Steeler no fine for him.

DanRooney
12-14-2011, 09:59 AM
It's almost annoying how much you guys are crying about Harrison. I couldn't even defend the hit the first time I saw it. I was in shock that he actually went to the head regardless if he thought McCoy was a runner. He was behind the LoS. He should have aimed lower knowing Goodell is not a fan of his.

Now the Fitzpatrick, Brees and Jason Campbell fines were all bogus. But I thought this and the Massoquoi fines were perfectly warranted.

Boomer
12-14-2011, 10:12 AM
You're allowed to hit a runner helmet to helmet because 1) it's impractical and impossible to not tackle a runner helmet to helmet sometimes because they use their own helmet to drive themselves forward and 2) when they are a runner, they are already cognizant of their surroundings and are in a position to defend themselves. I don't see this as hypocrisy. Do you know how many penalties and fines and suspensions there would be every single game if helmet to helmet contact on any runner was a flag?

Also, I don't remember Ben getting "clubbed in the head". When did this happen?

Sorry guy, but that first part seems like such a load of BS. Did roger write that for you? So they're supposed to be safe...unless it's impractical?? What?? It's hard to tackle a runner without a helmet to helmet hit but not a QB or WR? I would think it's easier to tackle a RB without a helmet-to-helmet hit. Either you preach safety and stand behind it all the way or you pick and chose and look like you are fixing games. Plain and simple.

On the second part, did you watch the game? Ben got chopped across the head and got up moving his head like his neck was hurt.

Boomer
12-14-2011, 10:16 AM
It's almost annoying how much you guys are crying about Harrison. I couldn't even defend the hit the first time I saw it. I was in shock that he actually went to the head regardless if he thought McCoy was a runner. He was behind the LoS. He should have aimed lower knowing Goodell is not a fan of his.

Now the Fitzpatrick, Brees and Jason Campbell fines were all bogus. But I thought this and the Massoquoi fines were perfectly warranted.

It's annoying for fans wanting things to be called fairly? Really? Wow.

And the call against Harrison was roughing the passer. So had he aimed lower, they still would have thrown a flag. The refs felt he hit him too hard. I guess he's just supposed to wave his hands in his face and try to swat the ball. I guess I don't remember old Colt having on a red practice jersey.

ricardisimo
12-14-2011, 10:27 AM
You're allowed a helmet to helmet hit on a runner (Mendenhall). I don't know why people keep whining about that.

Either they are concerned about player safety, and specifically head injuries, or they are not. Which is it?

As far as Phil Taylor, there is no way to know if he got a fine. The league only announces suspensions, not fines. Normally, when we find out about fines, it's from the player themselves or their agent.

Sixburgher
12-14-2011, 10:41 AM
It's almost annoying how much you guys are crying about Harrison. I couldn't even defend the hit the first time I saw it. I was in shock that he actually went to the head regardless if he thought McCoy was a runner. He was behind the LoS. He should have aimed lower knowing Goodell is not a fan of his.

Now the Fitzpatrick, Brees and Jason Campbell fines were all bogus. But I thought this and the Massoquoi fines were perfectly warranted.

Uh, considering that those bogus fines were taken into account and weighed heavily into the establishment of Harrison as a "repeat offender" who was worthy of a suspension, the suspension was also complete bullshit, no? There's a huge difference between a fine and a suspension.

MasterOfPuppets
12-14-2011, 10:45 AM
You're allowed a helmet to helmet hit on a runner (Mendenhall). I don't know why people keep whining about that.
so the only difference between it being legal or illegal is whether or not the person that takes the hit has the ball or not ? so if McCoy doesn't throw the ball .3 seconds before the hit it's completely legal to put your helmet in his grill ? how exactly does having a football in your hand make a concussion less likely to happen ? does the ball magically absorb the impact to your head ?

DanRooney
12-14-2011, 10:57 AM
Either they are concerned about player safety, and specifically head injuries, or they are not. Which is it?

As far as Phil Taylor, there is no way to know if he got a fine. The league only announces suspensions, not fines. Normally, when we find out about fines, it's from the player themselves or their agent.

Really? Because I and the rest of the NFL world seems to know that Harrison was fined about $100,000 last year.

ricardisimo
12-14-2011, 10:58 AM
Really? Because I and the rest of the NFL world seems to know that Harrison was fined about $100,000 last year.
The league didn't announce those fines. James Harrison and his agent did.

Edit: I should say the league normally does not announce fines. Of course, Goodell's NFL is not consistent about anything, so I'm sure that they occasionally announce them.

Danny136200
12-14-2011, 02:00 PM
It's almost annoying how much you guys are crying about Harrison. I couldn't even defend the hit the first time I saw it. I was in shock that he actually went to the head regardless if he thought McCoy was a runner. He was behind the LoS. He should have aimed lower knowing Goodell is not a fan of his.

Now the Fitzpatrick, Brees and Jason Campbell fines were all bogus. But I thought this and the Massoquoi fines were perfectly warranted.

Massoquoi was a runner. As you stated, you can hit a runner helmet-to-helmet. That being said, the hit on Mccoy warranted a fine at most, but given James Harrison's track record, he got suspended. I do not agree with this at all; I think it give a bad precedence for the future, and will make defenders think twice about jarring the ball loose out of a receiver's grasp, or hitting a running QB. You think you have seen alot of miss tackles this year? just wait to this upcoming week.

smheart78
12-14-2011, 02:22 PM
When I first read the statement from Mike Holmgren that the team did not administer concussion tests on the field, I was a little surprised. It seemed that it was obvious to everyone watching the game that he should have been evaluated after that hit.
When "Holmgren said the Browns medical and training staff did not see the hit and did not realize the impact because they were treating other injured players at the time. McCoy was "lucid and talking," Holmgren said, when they tended to him on the field."
What about the coaches?! I thought, considering how lame this was as an excuse. After reading the updated concussion guidelines that was literally released weeks ago, I came across this:
"The new guidance supplements the 2007 statement on return-to-play that encouraged team physicians and athletic trainers to continue to take a conservative approach to treating concussions and established that a player should not return to the same game after a concussion if the team medical staff determined that he had lost consciousness."
I was kinda surprised about how specific the language was in here limiting the personel responsible for observations to these people, and to the player(s) themselves.
This doesn't make what the coach said after the game any better (an outright lie that a concussion test was administered), nor does it excuse everybody else on the team for not stepping up. I also find it hard to beleive that all these trainers and physicians missed this.

soulkitchen
12-14-2011, 03:10 PM
Here's the deal if you hit someone in the head your fine/flag is a direct result of the following:

1. Did you knock him out
2. Is he a QB
3. Is he a defenseless receiver

If 1 and he is a RB or WR running the ball no harm, no foul, no fine.
If 2 or 3, then flag and possibly fine. Really big fine if the hit results in #1.
Here's the fun part if 2 or 3 and no #1, then you get the flag and may get a fine, hell sometimes you won't even get the flag. It's the same action, but the result is different. In my opinion the result of the play and not the play itself is what the league acts on which is bull shit. You will get run through the media ringer if you knock the guy out or he lays on the ground in agony, but if the person that is hit gets up and guts it out (i.e. Ben/Hines) then the offending party gets the minimum or most of the time nothing at all.

Flag the hits you want to flag, fine the hits you want to fine, and suspend the players you want to suspend, but for God's sake keep it fair for all based on the hit and not the result. I think that is all that most of us are asking for.

Fire Arians
12-14-2011, 03:16 PM
http://www.steelersdepot.com/2011/12/browns-dt-phil-taylor-fined-15-k-for-hitting-steelers-qb-ben-roethlisberger-in-head/

phil taylor fined 15k

ricardisimo
12-14-2011, 03:45 PM
http://www.steelersdepot.com/2011/12/browns-dt-phil-taylor-fined-15-k-for-hitting-steelers-qb-ben-roethlisberger-in-head/

phil taylor fined 15k
Thank you for this.
Cleveland Browns rookie defensive Phil Taylor said on Wednesday that he has been fined $15,000 by the league for his roughing the passer penalty on Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger this past Thursday night.

Taylor was penalized in the first quarter for delivering a blow to the head of Roethlisberger. This makes the second player disciplined from the Thursday night game as Steelers linebacker James Harrison was suspended for one game on Tuesday for his helmet-to-helmet hit on Brown quarterback Colt McCoy .

There is still no word if Steelers linebacker James Farrior will be fined for his hit on McCoy out of bounds that also drew a penalty in that game.
DanRooney: Please note who informed us of the fine.

DanRooney
12-14-2011, 03:50 PM
Thank you for this.

DanRooney: Please note who informed us of the fine.

I don't really know who announces fines and I really could care less, but I find it hard to believe out of all of the fines you hear about (including the one below), the agent felt it was in his clients best interest to announce that he received a fine from the league office.


NFL announces fines for Seymour, Mayo, Pettigrew

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/nfl/12/09/nfl.fines.ap/index.htm

ricardisimo
12-14-2011, 03:53 PM
I don't really know who announces fines and I really could care less, but I find it hard to believe out of all of the fines you hear about (including the one below), the agent felt it was in his clients best interest to announce that he received a fine from the league office.


NFL announces fines for Seymour, Mayo, Pettigrew

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/nfl/12/09/nfl.fines.ap/index.htm
His agent didn't, he did. Probably because he was pissed about it, or because he was asked and answered honestly, but who really knows why? Half the time it's the showermates of the affected player griping to the reporters on their teammate's behalf.

Steelersfan87
12-14-2011, 04:10 PM
It's almost annoying how much you guys are crying about Harrison. I couldn't even defend the hit the first time I saw it. I was in shock that he actually went to the head regardless if he thought McCoy was a runner. He was behind the LoS. He should have aimed lower knowing Goodell is not a fan of his.

Now the Fitzpatrick, Brees and Jason Campbell fines were all bogus. But I thought this and the Massoquoi fines were perfectly warranted.

Harrison actually wasn't fined for the Campbell hit. Which, unfortunately, validated the fact that it wasn't a penalty to begin with, and took away a pick six from Ike Taylor.

Sorry guy, but that first part seems like such a load of BS. Did roger write that for you? So they're supposed to be safe...unless it's impractical?? What?? It's hard to tackle a runner without a helmet to helmet hit but not a QB or WR? I would think it's easier to tackle a RB without a helmet-to-helmet hit. Either you preach safety and stand behind it all the way or you pick and chose and look like you are fixing games. Plain and simple.

On the second part, did you watch the game? Ben got chopped across the head and got up moving his head like his neck was hurt.

Runners do not have helmet t helmet protection because they are in a defensive position. Anybody with the ball, whether it be a RB, QB, WR, TE, or even a lineman that picks up a fumble, is considered a runner. A runner has accountability for his own protection; if he doesn't want to get hit in the head, he has to avoid the hit. This is the theory behind the defenseless player (ie. a WR before he secures a ball or a QB in a throwing posture). Far from BS, and far from league spokesmanship, just good old fashioned common sense there.

Regarding the Taylor hit, I still don't remember it, but I'm not going to deny it, and I see that he was fined, so that answered the main question of the thread.

Somebody said Massaqoui was a runner; he was not. He never even caught the ball before Harrison drilled him, which is a prerequisite for a defenseless receiver to transition into a runner. This is why Ryan Clark's hit on Willis McGahee back in the 08-09 playoffs wasn't a penalty, because McGahee had become a runner. This is made explicit by the fact that the ball on the ground was ruled a fumble, meaning that McGahee had already secured possession and was attempting to advance the ball as a runner.

ricardisimo
12-14-2011, 05:13 PM
Harrison actually wasn't fined for the Campbell hit. Which, unfortunately, validated the fact that it wasn't a penalty to begin with, and took away a pick six from Ike Taylor.



Runners do not have helmet t helmet protection because they are in a defensive position. Anybody with the ball, whether it be a RB, QB, WR, TE, or even a lineman that picks up a fumble, is considered a runner. A runner has accountability for his own protection; if he doesn't want to get hit in the head, he has to avoid the hit. This is the theory behind the defenseless player (ie. a WR before he secures a ball or a QB in a throwing posture). Far from BS, and far from league spokesmanship, just good old fashioned common sense there.

Regarding the Taylor hit, I still don't remember it, but I'm not going to deny it, and I see that he was fined, so that answered the main question of the thread.

Somebody said Massaqoui was a runner; he was not. He never even caught the ball before Harrison drilled him, which is a prerequisite for a defenseless receiver to transition into a runner. This is why Ryan Clark's hit on Willis McGahee back in the 08-09 playoffs wasn't a penalty, because McGahee had become a runner. This is made explicit by the fact that the ball on the ground was ruled a fumble, meaning that McGahee had already secured possession and was attempting to advance the ball as a runner.
That doesn't make any sense. If it's incumbent upon the runner to protect his own head, and it's his responsibility to avoid the helmet-to-helmet contact, why isn't the runner ever fined for the contact when it happens, instead of the defender?

The other thing that doesn't make any sense is using the phrase "good old fashioned common sense" in reference to the NFL administration. Common sense would dictate eliminating all helmet-to-helmet hits, at least if your stated goal is to reduce head injuries. Instead, you cannot lead with your helmet, except in prime time, and on the third Thursday of every month, unless it's a handsome QB you're aiming at, and his arm is moving forwards or into his jock strap, or he's dating someone who is attractive, or...

Sixburgher
12-14-2011, 05:18 PM
Harrison actually wasn't fined for the Campbell hit.

No, but it was still used as part of the justification for suspending him anyway. Complete bullshit.

TRH
12-14-2011, 05:19 PM
I thought some one posted rules claiming no helmet to helmet on a runner? Just curious, if Tebow rules out of the pocket and gets hit if he decided to throw. What happens? Im getting confused about the rules.


The fans, the players, the coaches, and even the league office itself is confused about whats safe, whats not, what's an illegal hit, what ain't, etc.
Its incredibly pathetic. I can't even put it into words.

steelersfan77
12-14-2011, 05:42 PM
It's bullshit you have to lay off a reciever and allow him to catch the ball and make all sorts of moves before you can lay some wood. Is it the recievers fault, the defenders fault or the quarterbacks fault for putting his reciever in an akward position to begin with?

Every quarterback throws a bad ball without properly reading the defense. Ben threw a ball to Hines and got Hines layed out by Ray Lewis. Ben had no buisness trying to fit that ball in there in front of Lewis. He's either trying to fit the ball in for a first down knowing Lewis is there or he never saw him.

If Clark pulls up on Dickson that's a 30 yard completion in a game where the Steelers couldn't get off the field on 3rd down to begin with. I'd rather see Clark lay him out, take the 15 yard penalty and fine, suspension whatever, and let the Ravens know he's there than simply let Dickson make that long catch because Flacco made a horrible read with over the top safety help. It's not Clark, it's Flacco. The friggin' quarterback should be flagged 15 yards for being stupid.

I loved the hit by Harrison on Massaquoi. Massaquoi is soft to begin with and so is Cribbs. Cribbs admitted Harrison tryed to hurt him in practices at Kent State. For what? Hitting him to hard in a full contact practice. Get off the field Cribbs. I'd rather see Harrison take the penalty and fine/suspension than let Massaquoi catch that ball. I bet that hurt. You can thank you're quarterback later for not being able to read a defense. He still can't read a defense.

Let's play big boy football. The rest of these pansies, see you in the CFL.

Sincerely, Jack Lambert

P.s. Gocong didn't make a football play or try to wrap up. He launched himself helmet first into Mendenhall. Guess that should've been a penalty. Where you at Adolf GODell?

ricardisimo
12-14-2011, 06:54 PM
The fans, the players, the coaches, and even the league office itself is confused about whats safe, whats not, what's an illegal hit, what ain't, etc.
Its incredibly pathetic. I can't even put it into words.
These are some pertinent sections from the official NFL Rulebook:
Article 8
There shall be no unnecessary roughness. This shall include, but will not be limited to:
(a) striking an opponent anywhere with the foot or any part of the leg with a whipping motion;
(b) contacting a runner out of bounds;
Note: Defensive players must make an effort to avoid contact. Players on defense are responsible for knowing when a runner has crossed the boundary line, except in doubtful cases where he might step on a boundary line and continue parallel with it.

...

(g) If a player uses any part of his helmet (including the top/crown and forehead/”hairline” parts) or facemask to butt, spear, or ram an opponent violently or unnecessarily.
(h) any player who grabs a helmet opening of an opponent and forcibly twists, turns, or pulls his head.

...

(j) if a player illegally launches into a defenseless opponent. It is an illegal launch if a player (1) leaves both feet prior to contact to spring forward and upward into his opponent, and (2) uses any part of his helmet (including the top/crown and forehead/”hairline” parts) to initiate forcible contact against any part of his opponent’s body.
Note: This does not apply to contact against a runner, unless the runner is still considered to be a defenseless player, as defined in Rule 12, Section 2, Article 9.
And here is the aforementioned Article 9 in its entirety:
Article 9
It is a foul if a player initiates unnecessary contact against a player who is in a defenseless posture.
(a) Players in a defenseless posture are:
(1) A player in the act of or just after throwing a pass;
(2) A receiver attempting to catch a pass; or who has completed a catch and has not had time to protect himself or has not clearly become a runner. If the receiver/runner is capable of avoiding or warding off the impending contact of an opponent, he is no longer a defenseless player;
(3) A runner already in the grasp of a tackler and whose forward progress has been stopped;
(4) A kickoff or punt returner attempting to field a kick in the air;
(5) A player on the ground at the end of a play;
(6) A kicker/punter during the kick or during the return;
(7) A quarterback at any time after a change of possession, and
(8) A player who receives a “blindside” block when the blocker is moving toward his own endline and approaches the opponent from behind or from the side.
(b) Prohibited contact against a player who is in a defenseless posture is:
(1) Forcibly hitting the defenseless player’s head or neck area with the helmet, facemask, forearm, or shoulder, regardless of whether the defensive player also uses his arms to tackle the defenseless player by encircling or grasping him; and
(2) Lowering the head and making forcible contact with the top/crown or forehead/”hairline” parts of the helmet against any part of the defenseless player’s body.

Note: The provisions of (2) do not prohibit incidental contact by the mask or helmet in the course of a conventional tackle on an opponent.

Penalty: For unnecessary roughness: Loss of 15 yards. The player may be disqualified if the action is judged by the official(s) to be flagrant.

I included the segment which relates to Farrior's stupid penalty against McCoy.

steelersfan77
12-14-2011, 07:00 PM
The rules are the rules set forth by Adolph GODell.

Just like Hitler, there was no questioning it.

When were these rules written?

I still love it when somebody knocks the snout right out of another player. Love it. I endorse it. That's football. You don't want a concussion? You don't want to be a man? Find another profession. The CFL is looking for amatuers.

The National Fun League

Steelersfan87
12-14-2011, 08:11 PM
That doesn't make any sense. If it's incumbent upon the runner to protect his own head, and it's his responsibility to avoid the helmet-to-helmet contact, why isn't the runner ever fined for the contact when it happens, instead of the defender?

The other thing that doesn't make any sense is using the phrase "good old fashioned common sense" in reference to the NFL administration. Common sense would dictate eliminating all helmet-to-helmet hits, at least if your stated goal is to reduce head injuries. Instead, you cannot lead with your helmet, except in prime time, and on the third Thursday of every month, unless it's a handsome QB you're aiming at, and his arm is moving forwards or into his jock strap, or he's dating someone who is attractive, or...

Your scenario only applies if the runner aims at the defender's head, I would think, but I guess the argument would be that the runner has a defensive posture and that all defensive players are not defenseless players by definition. Only defenseless players are protected from helmet to helmet collisions, so defensive players can get knocked around all they desire because they are in a position to defend and protect themselves, so the onus, again, is on themselves to protect themselves just as it is for a runner.

The "common sense" was in reference to the logic behind what I said specifically, since what I originally said was described as "a load of BS".

12+88=6
12-14-2011, 09:56 PM
hanson from the eagles was fined. here is the link http://www.csnphilly.com/blog/eagles-talk/post/Eagles-Hanson-Cole-fined-for-hits-vs-Fin?blockID=612096&feedID=704

i find this part interesting talking about trent cole....

"Cole was fined $15,000 for hitting Losman too low and also plans to appeal the league's decision. This is the second consecutive week Cole has been fined. He was fined $7,500 from the Seahawks game. He has been fined "four or five" times this season and said he has lost count of the amount of money he has been docked. "

4 or 5 times this season??? sounds like a repeat offender, where is his suspension?? the nfl needs to be consistent with it's punishments.

ricardisimo
12-14-2011, 10:51 PM
Your scenario only applies if the runner aims at the defender's head, I would think, but I guess the argument would be that the runner has a defensive posture and that all defensive players are not defenseless players by definition. Only defenseless players are protected from helmet to helmet collisions, so defensive players can get knocked around all they desire because they are in a position to defend and protect themselves, so the onus, again, is on themselves to protect themselves just as it is for a runner.

The "common sense" was in reference to the logic behind what I said specifically, since what I originally said was described as "a load of BS".

I think you're missing my point. If the claim is that we want to reduce shooting victims, and the law says you cannot shoot anyone UNLESS they see it coming... just how seriously do we take the stated intentions of the bozos in charge?

Steelersfan87
12-15-2011, 01:06 AM
Your point is understood just fine. However, all parties universally recognize that there are certain hazards that come with the sport. Other sports like hockey also have rules that relate to whether or not a player is "defenseless", so to speak. Eliminating all helmet to helmet contact is just not feasible without literally completely changing the sport, at which point every single person on this forum would be whining. The rules on defenseless players do attempt to eliminate what are typically the most egregious and severe helmet to helmet collisions, and are also usually the more avoidable ones. It's not like a linebacker flowing to a hole and lowering his shoulder, only to be met head to head by a tailback battering ramming himself into the defense to convert a crucial 3rd down. With that in mind, I'll answer what I assume your broader question is: No, I don't think that it's hypocritical for the league to say that it's fine to not penalize helmet to helmet hits against runners.

ricardisimo
12-15-2011, 04:01 AM
Your point is understood just fine. However, all parties universally recognize that there are certain hazards that come with the sport. Other sports like hockey also have rules that relate to whether or not a player is "defenseless", so to speak. Eliminating all helmet to helmet contact is just not feasible without literally completely changing the sport, at which point every single person on this forum would be whining. The rules on defenseless players do attempt to eliminate what are typically the most egregious and severe helmet to helmet collisions, and are also usually the more avoidable ones. It's not like a linebacker flowing to a hole and lowering his shoulder, only to be met head to head by a tailback battering ramming himself into the defense to convert a crucial 3rd down. With that in mind, I'll answer what I assume your broader question is: No, I don't think that it's hypocritical for the league to say that it's fine to not penalize helmet to helmet hits against runners.
No, it's inconsistent and ineffective. Hypocritical is selling framed photos of big hits and injury moments on NFL.com's gift shop, as they did with the Massaquoi hit last year and are currently doing with Ben's ankle and Colt McCoy sitting dazed on the ground after the Harrison collision.

I disagree that it would not possible to penalize all helmet-to-helmet hits. Tackling has gotten worse over the decades, not better. I think it would be refreshing to see good, sound tackling being reinforced both in the rules and in the coaching. Wrap up, don't blow up.

FOOTEupyourarse
12-15-2011, 07:46 AM
if "god"dell was all about player safety then why has he not implemented a rule which states that EVERY PLAYER MUST WEAR A PROTECTIVE MOUTHPEICE! mouthpeices are proven to reduce the chance of consussions! that should have been the first order of business but it wasnt, why?

TRH
12-15-2011, 02:01 PM
it depends on WHO you hit, first of all. Don't even think about htting Aaron Rogers or Tom Brady with a good lick...any hard lick. It's going to be punished, legal or not. Or it seems to be numerous guys on the Packers roster now. I've watched a few of their games this year and its amazing the stuff the refs don't (won't) call on that team. On the other hand, you can hit Ben with a pretty hard nasty lick, unless its not a extremely blatant helmet-to-helmet and nothing will be called.
On defense, look the other way when a Ray Lewis drills someone (unless its something minor like a hold).

This stuff and mindset all started back in the "Michael Jordan era" of basketball, back when he could walk 10 steps with the ball and not get called. Thats when all this BS started about not calling penalties and illegals on "superstar" or well-known players.