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zsheik22
01-02-2012, 12:04 PM
I remember some people thought it was the end of the world.



http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8259c9ba/article/teammate-jets-wr-holmes-quit-during-loss-to-dolphins


Looks like it was a really smart move after all

harrison'samonster
01-02-2012, 12:10 PM
yeah, he seems to be a locker room cancer. I read he was escorted from the Jets locker-room.

I remember thinking it was a bad idea when it happened.

OX1947
01-02-2012, 12:21 PM
The issue was never about him being traded or not being signed, it was compensation for a Super Bowl MVP. I wish they could have gotten a 2nd rounder not a 5th.

theplatypus
01-02-2012, 12:30 PM
The issue was never about him being traded or not being signed, it was compensation for a Super Bowl MVP. I wish they could have gotten a 2nd rounder not a 5th.


If they could have gotten a 2nd for him they would have.

Pentheon
01-02-2012, 12:45 PM
At this point it was a great deal, not only is he obviously givin up on his team,but we may have never drafted antonio brown who I believe is just as good already and not a problem for our team.

Kanata-Steeler
01-02-2012, 12:58 PM
self-indulgence breeds nuthin but more self-indulgence.
Holmes,...., just like Burress, ..., and unfortunately, so many other good players, continually prove, that thay fall into their own dream-world of god-like status, and the only thing they are REALLY concerned about is "padding their own stats" instead of just playing TEAM football. !!!
Steelers, thank gawd thus far, are for TEAM only, which DUH, still makes us the "real" SUPERSTARS of the Rings to this day.
oh wait, except for tv-*****s like Deion Sanders, but then again, he got what he really wanted too, Imaginary stardom behind a silver/lcd-screen.

Goldsteel86
01-02-2012, 01:08 PM
Ohhhhh My, My, how Santonio has fell from the graces of Steeler faithful, not me. First off Santonio was never meant to go to the Jets, he was meant for the Steelers, now I truly belive that Tomlin is the right one to keep Santonio grounded, after all he went through and has steered Ben in the right direction. Now seriously, the Steelers were seriously considering re-signing Plaxico, seriously. Correct me if I'm wrong didn't Plaxico go to jail? Has Santonio went to jail? I understand he was released for character isuues, doesn't Burress have character issues, once again I have to ask Plaxico left because he wanted more money, didn't he? Holmes left because he got shipped out of town, Re-sign Plax , screw Santonio, ummm correct me if I'm wrong, didn't Santonio make possibly the greatest catch in SB history? I say bring him in, Wallace, Brown, Santonio and Sanders, it can't possibly be any better, give Santonio a chance!

harrison'samonster
01-02-2012, 01:13 PM
Ohhhhh My, My, how Santonio has fell from the graces of Steeler faithful, not me. First off Santonio was never meant to go to the Jets, he was meant for the Steelers, now I truly belive that Tomlin is the right one to keep Santonio grounded, after all he went through and has steered Ben in the right direction. Now seriously, the Steelers were seriously considering re-signing Plaxico, seriously. Correct me if I'm wrong didn't Plaxico go to jail? Has Santonio went to jail? I understand he was released for character isuues, doesn't Burress have character issues, once again I have to ask Plaxico left because he wanted more money, didn't he? Holmes left because he got shipped out of town, Re-sign Plax , screw Santonio, ummm correct me if I'm wrong, didn't Santonio make possibly the greatest catch in SB history? I say bring him in, Wallace, Brown, Santonio and Sanders, it can't possibly be any better, give Santonio a chance!

You make some good points, and let's face it--none of us are without our problems.

However, I've got to disagree with resigning Holmes. He's still a great talent and I do remember and appreciate what he's done for this team. I just think he would do more harm than good. We've already got a great WR group.

Kanata-Steeler
01-02-2012, 01:15 PM
Ohhhhh My, My, how Santonio has fell from the graces of Steeler faithful, not me. First off Santonio was never meant to go to the Jets, he was meant for the Steelers, now I truly belive that Tomlin is the right one to keep Santonio grounded, after all he went through and has steered Ben in the right direction. Now seriously, the Steelers were seriously considering re-signing Plaxico, seriously. Correct me if I'm wrong didn't Plaxico go to jail? Has Santonio went to jail? I understand he was released for character isuues, doesn't Burress have character issues, once again I have to ask Plaxico left because he wanted more money, didn't he? Holmes left because he got shipped out of town, Re-sign Plax , screw Santonio, ummm correct me if I'm wrong, didn't Santonio make possibly the greatest catch in SB history? I say bring him in, Wallace, Brown, Santonio and Sanders, it can't possibly be any better, give Santonio a chance!

"...didn't Santonio make possibly the greatest..."

Yes, but NO !,
Actually, Harrison made the greatest "Return" in SB history, and of course for an SB TD !.
In my books, that was the greatest memorable feat.
AND, of course, Harrison still wanted to be here, and that trumps' "vanity", anyday bud.

skinart82
01-02-2012, 01:18 PM
Santonio would never let his ego go long long enough to be the third receiver. And Wallace and Brown are the future of the Steelers receivers. I like what we have here without Holmes.

steelerchad
01-02-2012, 01:25 PM
Ohhhhh My, My, how Santonio has fell from the graces of Steeler faithful, not me. First off Santonio was never meant to go to the Jets, he was meant for the Steelers, now I truly belive that Tomlin is the right one to keep Santonio grounded, after all he went through and has steered Ben in the right direction. Now seriously, the Steelers were seriously considering re-signing Plaxico, seriously. Correct me if I'm wrong didn't Plaxico go to jail? Has Santonio went to jail? I understand he was released for character isuues, doesn't Burress have character issues, once again I have to ask Plaxico left because he wanted more money, didn't he? Holmes left because he got shipped out of town, Re-sign Plax , screw Santonio, ummm correct me if I'm wrong, didn't Santonio make possibly the greatest catch in SB history? I say bring him in, Wallace, Brown, Santonio and Sanders, it can't possibly be any better, give Santonio a chance!

Burress and Holmes are 2 different kind of problems. Making a stupid mistake off the field is different from being a premadona. Sure, Burress went to jail, but he made a stupid mistake. I don't think he's a violent criminal type. He also seems to have learned from it. I'd stay away from either which the Steelers did in the end.

Holmes is just a "me" type guy. I still remember that catch to win the SB and all he could say afterwards on the sideline is "that's how you be great" while thumping his chest. I cringed a little while watching that and we had just won the SB.

Glad he's gone.

Danny136200
01-02-2012, 01:56 PM
The issue was never about him being traded or not being signed, it was compensation for a Super Bowl MVP. I wish they could have gotten a 2nd rounder not a 5th.
They would have never gotten a 2nd rounder for someone that was going to be suspended. They were about to release him until the jets called.

Danny136200
01-02-2012, 01:58 PM
Ohhhhh My, My, how Santonio has fell from the graces of Steeler faithful, not me. First off Santonio was never meant to go to the Jets, he was meant for the Steelers, now I truly belive that Tomlin is the right one to keep Santonio grounded, after all he went through and has steered Ben in the right direction. Now seriously, the Steelers were seriously considering re-signing Plaxico, seriously. Correct me if I'm wrong didn't Plaxico go to jail? Has Santonio went to jail? I understand he was released for character isuues, doesn't Burress have character issues, once again I have to ask Plaxico left because he wanted more money, didn't he? Holmes left because he got shipped out of town, Re-sign Plax , screw Santonio, ummm correct me if I'm wrong, didn't Santonio make possibly the greatest catch in SB history? I say bring him in, Wallace, Brown, Santonio and Sanders, it can't possibly be any better, give Santonio a chance!

Absolutely not....

DanRooney
01-02-2012, 02:15 PM
Santonio would never let his ego go long long enough to be the third receiver. And Wallace and Brown are the future of the Steelers receivers. I like what we have here without Holmes.

Brown would have never saw the field if Holmes were still around. He wouldn't of gotten a chance to show off that he is possibly the best receiver on the roster.

We could have gotten at least a 3rd rounder for him. They were just in a hurry to send him off because of the offseason mess with Ben.

StainlessStill
01-02-2012, 02:18 PM
Regarding Santonio Holmes, it's kind of funny. Hines Ward caught his 1,000th career reception Sunday and was hugged by teammates, including former Jets WR Jericho Cotchery who said "I even look like a Steeler." Meanwhile, Santonio Holmes is telling Mark Sanchez to **** off in the huddle with Plaxico Burress standing next to him. Haha, nice pick, Buress! Could have been a Steeler. Enjoy your paycheck from the couch.

NO THANKS to signing Santonio. 0 logic in that one. Stay away, cancer.

Bill Cowher's Jaw
01-02-2012, 02:29 PM
Trading him away seems brilliant in retrospect. Last year, I went through the whole "Man we could have Wallace AND Holmes right now" thing but with Brown's emergence and Holmes' behavior, I couldn't be happier he's gone. Yeah Sanchez sucks and the Jets are a joke, but ya gotta be a pro. Kolb and Skelkton suck and the Cardinals are a joke but Larry Fitzgerald continues to play hard and is never a distraction.

In fact, it's interesting to look at both Holmes and Fitzgerald now being that they both had huge games in Super Bowl 43. Since that game, Holmes has been traded away (disowned) by the Steelers and now seems to be burning his bridges with the Jets after they took him in and gave him a big contract. Fitz on the other hand has been a great player on a horrible team since XLIII. Not what he wants I'm sure...but at least there's dignity in taking it like a man. Holmes is a fair-weather player. When he's catching winning TDs in the Super Bowl, he's happy. When Sanchez targets him once in a lose-or-go-home week 17 game, he handles it like a baby.

tanda10506
01-02-2012, 03:12 PM
Glad we got rid of him. When we did I didn't think it was a good idea, but as mentioned, we probably wouldn't have Brown playing the way he is now. Tough spot for the Jets, but their mistake in the first place. I know there will be arguments saying "It was just marijuana", which yes I see that point, but the bottom line is the Jets gave a bunch of money to a guy that they knew couldn't follow the league policy. Do I agree with the league policy and do I think you shouldn't be able to smoke? That's neither here nor there, the issue is the fact that he wasn't dedicated to the game enough to avoid a clear cut problem that could keep him off the field. Mix that with a known ego and that just doesn't sound like somebody I would want to spend big money on, especially not guaranteed money.

steeltheone
01-02-2012, 03:53 PM
Once again i say...A Franchise QB makes any receiver look good or good ones look better!

Danny136200
01-02-2012, 04:01 PM
Brown would have never saw the field if Holmes were still around. He wouldn't of gotten a chance to show off that he is possibly the best receiver on the roster.

We could have gotten at least a 3rd rounder for him. They were just in a hurry to send him off because of the offseason mess with Ben.

Him being suspended for four games, plus a law suit hanging above him for an alleged incident is what devalued him so greatly. Again, the Steelers had no takers and were ready to just outright release the guy, but the jets called and gave up a 5th round pick. As good a talent Holmes was, he always had off-field problems and he never grew out of that habit. It was a good move from the Steelers to do let him go.

Bayz101
01-02-2012, 04:28 PM
Once again i say...A Franchise QB makes any receiver look good or good ones look better!

Exactly. Just like a good offensive line can make a runningback look like Barry Sanders.

MasterOfPuppets
01-02-2012, 04:38 PM
the vulture belichek will be waiting to see if NY cuts him , then swoop in with a league minimum offer , while the jets are stuck paying the lions share of his contract ...:popcorn:

Goldsteel86
01-02-2012, 05:07 PM
Exactly. Just like a good offensive line can make a runningback look like Barry Sanders.

Now those are some very wise words!!!!!

TRH
01-02-2012, 05:14 PM
I've always thought....and have never changed my stance once...that letting Holmes go was the absolute right decision, no question.
He has a "i'm bigger than the team - its all about ME" attitude and thats just not something the Pittsburgh front office stands for, so i'm not surprised they did it. Good riddance!!!!

Goldsteel86
01-02-2012, 05:26 PM
I understand the concerns, however, I believe that Santonio could be a welcome addition again to the Steelers, as far as the locker room drama, nobody gave up on Ben and he showed people can change. Everything that is being said about Santonio being all about himself, was also said about Ben, the difference is, Ben's fellow teammates said that about him, not us fans. Ben has proved that changes can be made, he has also shown what a consummate professional can be, now I believe Santonio could do the same thing, if he has the same thing behind him that Ben had and that is a strong Steeler locker room.

ricardisimo
01-02-2012, 05:33 PM
I understand the concerns, however, I believe that Santonio could be a welcome addition again to the Steelers, as far as the locker room drama, nobody gave up on Ben and he showed people can change. Everything that is being said about Santonio being all about himself, was also said about Ben, the difference is, Ben's fellow teammates said that about him, not us fans. Ben has proved that changes can be made, he has also shown what a consummate professional can be, now I believe Santonio could do the same thing, if he has the same thing behind him that Ben had and that is a strong Steeler locker room.
:huh:
Are we hurting at wide receiver? How about dedicating some energy to finding us a decent free agent guard?

Goldsteel86
01-02-2012, 05:37 PM
:huh:
Are we hurting at wide receiver? How about dedicating some energy to finding us a decent free agent guard?

Not a bad choice, maybe someone who can provide a pass rush, or a corner that can compliment Ike????

PhantomJB93
01-02-2012, 06:49 PM
Once again i say...A Franchise QB makes any receiver look good or good ones look better!

In the same way, Mark Sanchez makes him look worse than he is. Santonio is still good. VERY good. I'm not saying anything about his attitude, just his prowess as an NFL receiver. I'd still call him a top 15 receiver in the league.

Though, I don't want him back on the Steelers. At least not yet. Maybe more toward the end of his career, when we don't have Hines, Cotchery, and at least one of Wallace/Sanders/Brown on the team anymore.

bornaSteelersfan
01-02-2012, 09:23 PM
There could never be a reason to re-sign Tone. When the Steelers send someone packing, that is it. Yes, he caught the game-winning catch in the SB. He will always be known for that. However, he dropped the possible game-winning catch only moments before. I think he begged Ben for another chance. Then after that, he thought his feces didn't stink. "I can smack a ho around and smash glass in her face, I am better than everyone!" "I can smoke weed if I want to, I am the SB MVP!" He got caught on that last one and it wasn't his first offense. The same week Antonio gets teams choice MVP, Santonio gets his teams choice LVP.

I know Plax left because he wanted more money and got it. The problem I have with him is that with his height and talent, he kept dropping the big TD pass. He was supposed to be the man in the end zone and simply couldn't catch (at least for as long as he played with The Steelers).

I wouldn't want either one of these guys being a Steeler ever again. We have a great receiver corps right now.

ETL
01-02-2012, 10:33 PM
Reactions to trade on 4/11/10: - I was bored

by Polamalu Beast: What a bad trade .... I'm furious

by JCPSteelers: OMG.. What a joke this is.. Why cut him loose now? So he misses 4 games at the start of the year.. We could still use him next year.. i understand not signing him but just to give him away to an AFC team is pure robbery..

by Hines86Ward: This is pathetic. One of the worst trades I've seen. WTF

by Rpd616: A 5th round Pick, Are you F***ing kidding me? Let's just make the Jet's a powerhouse why don't we. I wouldn't of had a problem with it if we would've got somthing good but a 5th round pick, C'mon man. This just ruined my whole summer, seriously.

by MattsMe: Wow. Makes me think they know something we don't.

by Stang909: I could see Santonio for Darelle Revis but santonio for a 5th round pick? come on

by ETL: Here are the factors that went into this trade:

1. Holmes was a goner after this year. His demands were gonna be too high. I definitely would have been upset if the Steelers paid him what he was asking and he definitely did not seem like he was going to provide a home team discount.

2. Holmes is going to get AT LEAST a 4 game suspension. Which means at best - he's going to play 12 games this year.

3. He's not a consistent #1 WR. I know he's been the Steelers #1 for a while but when he compared to the rest of the league - he is not held that highly

Given all that - if you were a GM in the league, what would you give for a headcase but talented WR with a drug and possible assault history that will only play, at most, 12 games this year and will be a free agent after that? What would you give to basically rent that player for 3/4th of a season?

I say a 5th rounder is about right.

Still colbert did not have to pull the switch on the trade but something tells me that the Rooneys were pushing for it.

by Steel Bus 24: This is just such BS.....

If we don't have a hell of draft this year then our team will be limping into the next decade.....about 2 months ago I just felt that this draft/off season was going to be critical to the success or failure of our team

by CargoJon: So basically for our #1 wide receiver, we'll end up with a guy who will be lucky to make the team as a special teamer. Awesome (actually this trade translated eventually into Antonio Brown - nice prophesy)

by xboroughneck: One year earlier than expected.

No biggie.

There are other, more pressing concerns (QB if Ben gets suspended, fixing our secondary in this pass happy league)

Time for Mike Wallace to have a stand out season.

by Shoes: It's Mike Wallace's time in Pittsburgh

The Pittsburgh Steelers' trade for Santonio Holmes means the team has a lot of confidence in second-year receiver Mike Wallace.

And why not?

Wallace took advantage of every opportunity last season as a rookie, recording 39 receptions for 756 yards and six touchdowns. He added deep speed and reliable hands to Pittsburgh's offense as the No. 3 receiver, and Wallace could be an early fantasy sleeper for 2010 now that he's projected in the starting lineup.

(nice prediction by xborough)

mesaSteeler
01-03-2012, 06:23 AM
I'm was at the time and till am so glad that we got rid of that hip hop, pot head, punk. Oh excuse me, hip hop, pot head, and punk are redundant.

EbonySteel86
01-03-2012, 07:06 AM
Holmes was a Raven killer! I live in Maryland and every Raven fan I know was happy as hell he was gone!!! I'm sure Holmes would have got himself together after his suspension, just like Ben did. And what Holmes did doesn't even compare to what Ben was charged for, and we kept him on the team. I love my Steelers and how they run things, but they shouldn't of let Holmes go, or at least get equal compensation for him. I think we would have beat GB if we had him.....YEA MY FIRST POST!!!!

Bayz101
01-03-2012, 07:15 AM
Holmes was a Raven killer! I live in Maryland and every Raven fan I know was happy as hell he was gone!!! I'm sure Holmes would have got himself together after his suspension, just like Ben did. And what Holmes did doesn't even compare to what Ben was charged for, and we kept him on the team. I love my Steelers and how they run things, but they shouldn't of let Holmes go, or at least get equal compensation for him. I think we would have beat GB if we had him.....YEA MY FIRST POST!!!!

He was on a bad road when we traded him, and so was Ben. I think Rooney pulled the plug on Holmes to make a point to Ben. Get your shit together, or your next. I wish that we could have at least got a higher pick for him, but his attitude was bad and his head was getting to big for his shoulders, so it didn't bother me to much. Not to mention we probably wouldn't have been able to afford him down the road either way. Well, welcome to the board, enjoy your stay!

:tt02:

steelfury02
01-03-2012, 08:32 AM
Holmes is too stupid to realize what could have been so I would only expect his free fall to get even worse. He is slowly talking his way out of the league for good - period. Say what you want about Sanchez - but Holmes quit on Sanchez as soon as they lost 3 in a row.

Thanks for the memories Holmes - there may be a few local car commercials in your future but that's about it.

DanRooney
01-03-2012, 02:04 PM
Him being suspended for four games, plus a law suit hanging above him for an alleged incident is what devalued him so greatly. Again, the Steelers had no takers and were ready to just outright release the guy, but the jets called and gave up a 5th round pick. As good a talent Holmes was, he always had off-field problems and he never grew out of that habit. It was a good move from the Steelers to do let him go.

Carson Palmer, a player who looks like a shell of his former self coming off Tommy John surgery, was worth 2 first rounders. Kolb was worth a first round pick and a player who was a former first round pick. We at least could have gotten a 3rd rounder or a 5th and a conditional 3rd. Especially being a #1 receiver on a team that just won the SB and MVP I might add. They were just in a mad hurry to dump him, which was obviously the right decision in hindsight.

theplatypus
01-03-2012, 02:11 PM
Holmes was a Raven killer! I live in Maryland and every Raven fan I know was happy as hell he was gone!!! I'm sure Holmes would have got himself together after his suspension, just like Ben did. And what Holmes did doesn't even compare to what Ben was charged for, and we kept him on the team. I love my Steelers and how they run things, but they shouldn't of let Holmes go, or at least get equal compensation for him. I think we would have beat GB if we had him.....YEA MY FIRST POST!!!!


BEN WAS NEVER FREAKING CHARGED WITH ANYTHING!


Maybe it's just me, but I'm pretty sure Holmes wouldn't have prevented Ben from throwing 2 interceptions or Mendy from fumbling the ball.

Kanata-Steeler
01-03-2012, 03:33 PM
BEN WAS NEVER FREAKING CHARGED WITH ANYTHING!


Maybe it's just me, but I'm pretty sure Holmes wouldn't have prevented Ben from throwing 2 interceptions or Mendy from fumbling the ball.

THANKYOU theplatypus,
it's utterly surprising, to this day, how many ppl forget the fact that Ben and Mendy blew our SB against GB !!! (simple as that). and NO, Holmes would not have made any difference.
of course they didn't mean it, but big mistakes happen in big games.
....isn't that also what Harrison said ?
ya, and deservedly Harrison got shit from Tomlin for it. -but the truth does hurt don't hit ?