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tony hipchest
01-05-2012, 08:57 PM
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January 5th, 2012


Here are selected excerpts from Bruce Arians and Dick LeBeau’s weekly media sessions. I thought it was very interesting what LeBeau had to say about Lawrence Timmons and all he has done to hold an injury-ravaged defense together.

Arians on…

Whether Ben Roethlisberger suffered a setback last Sunday in Cleveland
“No, because he was moving well in the fourth quarter. He moved around and made some great throws on third downs. Adrenaline does a lot for you in a football game that you don’t have on Monday. When you wake up, the adrenaline is not there. I am sure it happened during the game. He thought it was some time in the third quarter. Adrenaline gets you through football games, especially tight ones like that one was.”

Whether Roethlisberger’s high-ankle sprain has hindered the offense
“I think field position has a lot to deal with it. We are gaining yards but we aren’t scoring. Our red zone offense has really slipped. :chuckle: The other night, the clock ran out. We had two more downs but we only had five seconds. There were times when we could have played better in the red zone and scored more points.”

Whether he can remember a season when he has dealt with so many injuries
“We are close to last year’s number but no. Last year we had more guys on the Reserve/Injured List. This year, it’s week-to-week and day-to-day injuries, and who can participate and who cannot. You just go with the flow. You take what is there and go with it.”

LeBeau on…

How the defense has played at a high level despite all of the injuries
“I think you have to give a great deal of the credit to Lawrence Timmons. He played about four different positions for us this year, that’s hard to do. Sometimes two or three of them in the same game, and that is really hard to do. He has been the guy that we have wheeled around as we have lost some of our players. I think the other factor is that they have all been in the same system, and they play it pretty well. The whole group has assimilated to each new guy as they came in there, and I am very proud of them.”

How James Harrison has evolved as a player
“James is one of our very, very best players. He has tremendous experience now. That is probably the biggest difference. He has always been a solid player. When he got that confidence, and the knowledge that he knew he was a dominate player, he has been a really strong producer for us, and I would say that that has been for seven or eight years. He is going to play good every week.”

Tim Tebow and the phenomenon spawned by his success
“It is pretty unusual what he has done. All of those games that they have won at the end, that is a testimony to their team, and their teams’ character and the character of the quarterback. But you look back to the guy’s career and he has been winning everywhere he has ever been, and that is why we have a lot of respect for him and you have to play four quarters and 60 minutes because he is going to keep coming. I think they have won six in a row, and five out of the six they came from really looking up a tree, but they won. I think that’s all you need to say. The guy is a winner.”


gee, dick. you must not be reading steelersfever, because if you were, you would know timmons has been a huge disappointment this season.

and arians... the steelers redzone offense has sucked ever since you took over. you mean its even suckier now? i hadnt noticed. :noidea:

stb_steeler
01-05-2012, 09:03 PM
Yep...lookin up the tree is always better than lookin down....Aint Bruce?

Atlanta Dan
01-05-2012, 09:18 PM
gee, dick. you must not be reading steelersfever, because if you were, you would know timmons has been a huge disappointment this season.

Coach Dad apparently does not read the Post-Gazette either:chuckle:

Who has been the biggest surprise and the biggest disappointment this year on the team?

Gerry Dulac: There have been a couple big surprises, starting with Keenan Lewis and the continued development of Antonio Brown. Also, rookie Marcus Gilbert. Disappointments? That's easy -- Lawrence Timmons and/or Chris Kemoeatu.

http://plus.sites.post-gazette.com/index.php/pro-sports/steelers/114105-gerry-dulacs-steelers-chat-transcript-122811

Never a good thing to have your level of play equated to that of Kemo the human penalty machine

DanRooney
01-05-2012, 10:00 PM
What's Dick supposed to say? "Yeah Timmons stunk it up this season?"

I'm a big Timmons supporter. But I'm disappointed in the lack of big plays. I was hoping he'd come out like he did in the first 6 games of last season.

Danny136200
01-05-2012, 10:20 PM
Yeah... Timmons' tackles are down by a lot compared to last year's number. The run defense has been a disappointment this year (to the steelers standard), And I think Timmons' play was part of that.

tanda10506
01-05-2012, 10:24 PM
From what I see Timmons has been a dissapointment this year. At the end of last year I thought he'd end up being the best MLB this year, but outside of a few tackles I can't recall him making a play this year. If LeBeau says he's been great though, he's probably been great. As he mentioned, when you play that many different spots with that many other LB's hurt, it's hard to determine how well he is doing his job, at any of those spots.

tony hipchest
01-05-2012, 11:58 PM
i was particualrly disappointed when one of tom brady's TE's (including record setter gronkowski) didnt go off for 3 td's vs the steelers. shoring up our weak pass defense left alot to be desired as well. i love when teams beat us across and up the middle for huge chunks of yeardage.

im thinking timmons havins starters such as harrison, smith, and farrior go out in the 1st 6 games of the season probably affected his game. not even patric willis could slide over to harrisons spot and reproduce previous years of great stats.

i have no problem saying that if i want any steelers LB dropping back into coverage and not padding his sack stats, i would want it to be timmons.

tony hipchest
01-06-2012, 01:08 AM
courtesey of ed b.-

They lost 30 starts by their regulars, some of their best players and all former Pro Bowlers -- Aaron Smith (12), LaMarr Woodley (6), James Harrison (5), Casey Hampton (3), Brett Keisel (2) and James Farrior (2).

In addition, longtime backup nose tackle Chris Hoke lost 10 games and No. 3 outside linebacker Jason Worilds four.



Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/12006/1201672-66-0.stm?cmpid=steelers.xml&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter#ixzz1iehmgqIR

It's been like that around here for a long time," Farrior said. "We always say the standard is the standard, the next guy up is somebody to come in and do the same job. Nobody can replace Aaron Smith, nobody can replace James Harrison or LaMarr Woodley, but we had guys come in there and do their part. I think we play good, sound, fundamental defense. That's what it's all about."

Coordinator Dick LeBeau, long one of the league's great assistant coaches, credited linebacker Lawrence Timmons for helping the defense maintain its level of play through injuries, especially the ones to Harrison and Woodley. Timmons started four games for Harrison on the outside and never leaves the field, playing in their nickel defenses in the middle and in their dime as a rush end when subbing for Harrison.

"He played about four different positions for us this year, and that's hard to do," LeBeau said. "Sometimes two or three of them in the same game, and that's really hard to do. He's kind of been the guy we wheeled around as we lost some of our players




yeah, timmons shoulda had much more impressive stats. :rolleyes:

Riddle_Of_Steel
01-06-2012, 01:21 AM
You will probably roll your eyes, Tony, but I seriously thought Timmons had a ROTTEN year as well.

All I saw of this guy in 2011 was him whiffing on tackles, falling a good body-length behind tight ends he was trying to cover, getting bowled over on run plays coming straight up the gut, and taking really bad angles in open-field pursuit.

To echo what other posters already said-- I can't recall seeing him make a single impact or "splash" play this entire season. I figured he got his paycheck and then got complacent, like many of us would be prone to do after a big payoff.

But I of course defer my opinion to the venerable Dick Lebeau-- I am sure he knows a little bit more than I do.

ricardisimo
01-06-2012, 01:46 AM
He had, statistically speaking, his second best year. And given him having to learn a new assignment almost every game, if not every quarter, I think that's just fine.

Besides, it's not like anyone on the team lit it up with so-called "splash plays". That was the gripe all year long wasn't it? That we shouldn't be doing as well as we were without interceptions, forced fumbles and sacks, all at abysmal lows. And yet here we are, the number one defense in yards, rush yards and points allowed.

Yeah, I'll defer to Lebeau on this one.

tony hipchest
01-06-2012, 01:55 AM
ive read several times on this board that polamalu has made no "splash plays" this season.

:rolleyes: whatever...

Sean95m
01-06-2012, 02:25 AM
Splash plays have been few and far between this season. To single out Timmons because he has been healthy and has played every LB position is unfair. Timid at times yes, because he doesnt know every LB position, so playing it safe yes. If he had played MLB all season he would probably be in the prowl bowl! just sayin, you play 4 different posistions in one season and tell me how that works out for ya! Yet our D ended the season ranked #1!

Bayz101
01-06-2012, 02:56 AM
Timmons is the second leading tackler behind Clark, if i'm not mistaken. I think Timmons has been great this year. Maybe not as good as last year but still damn good. So what if his sack numbers are way down, you guys are WAY to use to the sack numbers being through the roof.

He's in coverage more, and his position changes sometimes four times a game! We're the number one pass defense in the NFL, and Timmons is a coverage linebacker this year. Complain about that.

QCbeauBlak
01-06-2012, 03:18 AM
I can say that I have been spoiled with the "splash" plays of the past. Compared to almost every other team I have watched this year, we have looked the most consistent. Sure we don't make the big plays. I absolutely hate that we cannot get any sacks!! I do not like Jason Worlids one bit and really hopes he improves, get's stronger, etc.. but all in all, we simply do not give up many plays. This has been a down year for defenses in the league. I don't have any numbers to support it, for this is just my own subjective eye test. Watching other games, teams are getting butt raped.. look at all the great QB play this year! Our guys do not seem to have that problem and I think I can finally appreciate that about our defense.. Maybe once Timmons gets more security of playing only MLB, he will settle and get back to his old ways

PhantomJB93
01-06-2012, 04:14 AM
Lebeau's obviously not gonna come out and trash Timmons. He has been a disappointment this year, at least compared to what we came to expect from him from last year. But I will chalk that up to the lack of consistency at his position this year (He's been basically every single linebacker position throughout the year) and don't really think he's regressed as a player, it's just hard to transition to that many different spots on the defense and get in a groove. Considering what he went through I can't say I really could have expected any more.

However, now that we seem mostly healthy at Linebacker, of all positions, (I remember when Carter, Worilds, and Sylvester were all starting this year) I think he'll do a lot better in the playoffs, since he shouldn't have to worry about any position but his own.

Bayz101
01-06-2012, 04:27 AM
Timmons had 3 sacks last year, he has 2 this year. His tackles are way down from last year, but who's isn't? He's still second on the team in the tackle category and for a man who's year has been a "disappointment" he's making more tackles than every linebacker we have!

I'd take a look at how many snaps he's taken at his primary position this year, and then a look at how many time's he's been forced to change positions during the course of the game; and season, and you'll find the reason he's not as productive. We're obviously more of a pass defense this year, and defending passes is a hard transition to make for a linebacker who came in on a lot of rushes last year. as opposed to coverage.

QCbeauBlak
01-06-2012, 04:34 AM
I'd take a look at how many snaps he's taken at his primary position this year...........We're obviously more of a pass defense this year, and defending passes is a hard transition to make for a linebacker who came in on a lot of rushes last year. as opposed to coverage.

I'd also like to look at how many snaps we are playing on defense all together! Our TOP seems a lot longer this year with less huge gains on offense when we drive. Also, on defense, I wonder where we stand on 3rd down efficiency compared to last year.. These things have a huge impact on individual defensive stats..

Bayz101
01-06-2012, 04:38 AM
I'd also like to look at how many snaps we are playing on defense all together! Our TOP seems a lot longer this year with less huge gains on offense when we drive. Also, on defense, I wonder where we stand on 3rd down efficiency compared to last year.. These things have a huge impact on individual defensive stats..

I think injuries have a lot to do with the overall production of both sides of the ball. It's obvious, really. With a healthy Woodley and Harrison, Timmons loses lot's of attention. Injuries are the key. If we get healthy, and stay healthy throughout the playoffs, we'll be fine.

ricardisimo
01-06-2012, 05:18 AM
I think people's disappointment with Timmons - a primary component of the league's best D - is a good example of how fantasy football is ruining the actual game of football.

DanRooney
01-06-2012, 05:42 AM
What is it with you two and fantasy football analogies? :chuckle:

Timmons has been unspectacular. He was all over the field last year. Mostly, I'm crediting our #1 defense to Lake and our improved corner play (specifically Gay and Lewis), and so are most logical people on this board. None of them have a plethora of INTs aka fantasy points either.

Bayz101
01-06-2012, 06:24 AM
What is it with you two and fantasy football analogies? :chuckle:

Timmons has been unspectacular. He was all over the field last year. Mostly, I'm crediting our #1 defense to Lake and our improved corner play (specifically Gay and Lewis), and so are most logical people on this board. None of them have a plethora of INTs aka fantasy points either.

That's okay, I never recalled Timmons being "spectacular" ar in the past? I recalled him playing great at his position, and exceeding the work expected by a young player. But he was never "spectacular". I think people tend to get too excited by what a young man can do, and then jump off a building when things don't pan out the same later on.

Tebow fans will be doing the same thing in a few days. Oh wait, he walks on water. Nevermind.

DanRooney
01-06-2012, 10:37 AM
That's okay, I never recalled Timmons being "spectacular" ar in the past? I recalled him playing great at his position, and exceeding the work expected by a young player. But he was never "spectacular". I think people tend to get too excited by what a young man can do, and then jump off a building when things don't pan out the same later on.

Tebow fans will be doing the same thing in a few days. Oh wait, he walks on water. Nevermind.

Timmons was spectacular in the first 6-7 weeks of last season. He was playing out of his mind.

ricardisimo
01-06-2012, 03:24 PM
Timmons was spectacular in the first 6-7 weeks of last season. He was playing out of his mind.
And then Lebeau started pulling him out on 3rd down. Never did understand that.

Curtain_of_Steel
01-06-2012, 03:43 PM
Timmons cant be the best playing in 4 different positions. when he filled in for Harrison, he mainly was threatening blitz and backing off. Than they shift him over to dropping back at MLB.

The drop back MLB aided in the #1 def and pass def didn't he?

If your going by individual stats, go watch the Jets, they worry about stats. You can also have Januarys free to not watch football. Steeler football is a team effort.