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GoFor6
06-27-2006, 10:16 AM
Cowher, like his mentor, "Marty Ball" Schottenheimer, play conversative football. They win 10 games a year and never see a Super Bowl. Cowher basically followed that path until last year.

The playoffs are totally different animal - most to all teams in the playoffs can stop the run or at least reduce its impact of being the game difference.

So why did Cowher change in 2005 and what makes you think he has learned the lesson for a long time to come.

Some say Wisenhunt convinced him, others say it is because he trusted Ben, some say it because we were such underdogs and on the road that he had to mix it up. What do you say?

By the way, I looked back at the Cowher postings from December, 2005. It was a mixed bag on Cowher but nothing a Super Bowl didn't fix. Personally, I am not Cowher fan and his brand of "Marty Ball", but if he really has learned the playoff game, though it certainly took a long time... I hope he sticks around.

ARKIESTEEL
06-27-2006, 10:18 AM
Mike Bubbie Neil Kordell Tom need i say more we never had anything else

section514
06-27-2006, 10:26 AM
its all about personel

Big D
06-27-2006, 10:27 AM
Cowher, like his mentor, "Marty Ball" Schottenheimer, play conversative football. They win 10 games a year and never see a Super Bowl. Cowher basically followed that path until last year.

The playoffs are totally different animal - most to all teams in the playoffs can stop the run or at least reduce its impact of being the game difference.

So why did Cowher change in 2005 and what makes you think he has learned the lesson for a long time to come.

Some say Wisenhunt convinced him, others say it is because he trusted Ben, some say it because we were such underdogs and on the road that he had to mix it up. What do you say?

By the way, I looked back at the Cowher postings from December, 2005. It was a mixed bag on Cowher but nothing a Super Bowl didn't fix. Personally, I am not Cowher fan and his brand of "Marty Ball", but if he really has learned the playoff game, though it certainly took a long time... I hope he sticks around.
I still think they play concervative. Ben still didnt pass the ball very much. I think this year the ball will be up in the air more though.

DIESELMAN
06-27-2006, 10:42 AM
Like what Arkie said and no matter what your game plan is you'll always need a very capable field general. We finally have ours in Ben. IMO I think Cowher has gotten away from being a micro manager and started trusting and listening to his co-ordinators more. We've got the best in the business with LeBeau and Whisenhunt and the rest of the staff. Year in and year out teams stick to their basic philosophies but through great coaching and experience comes the wisdom to know when to tweak those game plans to adapt to the ever changing game. Cowher has come full circle and will definitely keep tweaking for a few more seasons.

nicesteel4life
06-27-2006, 12:26 PM
OH YEAH gotta agree. I think we finally got our field general in Ben, that hasent been there, since Bradshaw. PLUS WISE is a hell of a Offensive Play Caller, But of course that comes back to personel. But as Cowher said "We didn't even win our division" I believe thats the first step this year! He wants to Command respect in OUR division and the Team is More Solid this year than last overall. Figure this as well we finally went in as UNDERDOGS and played the games the way we wanted.

Ambridge
06-27-2006, 12:39 PM
Imagine the possibilities of having had Ben during the last 10 seasons instead of the list of already mentioned flunkie QB's??

The only thing that concerns me is that Ben is coming in on the tail end of Cowher's tenure and that now that we have a solid franchise QB can we keep the rest of the pieces in place around him.

nicesteel4life
06-27-2006, 12:52 PM
WOW, that is a pretty deep thought. We might have all 10 fingers done and be working on the toes!

Haiku_Dirtt
06-27-2006, 01:12 PM
Rooney's trust in Cowher.

Cohwer's trust in Coach Whiz.

Whiz's trust in Ben.

LeBeau's trust in Polamalu.

Porter's trust in LeBeau.

That's where it starts. And has anything changed? Yeah. I see improvements across the board.

The pundits can dissect the personnel but that's what they are paid to do. But after we trounced the Colts they all went to "THE CORE" of this team for the Steeler's success.

THE CORE IS INTACT.

HometownGal
06-27-2006, 01:30 PM
I think all of the points made here are very valid points as to why The Chin took some risks this season. He has confidence in this team as a whole, not in just a couple of elite players. He also has two excellent coordinators who he trusts implicitly. The Steelers last season oozed confidence not only in themselves but in each other and as Cowher is a master motivator, he built upon those confidences and took some chances that we as fans aren't used to seeing. It was definitely one of the most exciting seasons I have experienced in all of the years I've bled black and gold! :smile:

clevestinks
06-27-2006, 02:22 PM
its all about personel
I agree, Cowher got the best out of some mediocre talent on offense over the years, he took some heat for not winning the big one before, but his always had average QB`s, good running backs and descent WR, but quality defenses. Once he got a QB, and better than average play out of his WR it was on

clevestinks
06-27-2006, 02:23 PM
Mike Bubbie Neil Kordell Tom need i say more we never had anything else
Great points, nobody could win a SB with these guys, just to make it back to the AFCC game is a credit to Cowhers coaching!

ARKIESTEEL
06-27-2006, 02:38 PM
Great points, nobody could win a SB with these guys, just to make it back to the AFCC game is a credit to Cowhers coaching!

And a great D and run game but that wont get you to the big dance

Black@Gold Forever32
06-27-2006, 02:46 PM
Cowher, like his mentor, "Marty Ball" Schottenheimer, play conversative football. They win 10 games a year and never see a Super Bowl. Cowher basically followed that path until last year.

The playoffs are totally different animal - most to all teams in the playoffs can stop the run or at least reduce its impact of being the game difference.

So why did Cowher change in 2005 and what makes you think he has learned the lesson for a long time to come.

Some say Wisenhunt convinced him, others say it is because he trusted Ben, some say it because we were such underdogs and on the road that he had to mix it up. What do you say?

By the way, I looked back at the Cowher postings from December, 2005. It was a mixed bag on Cowher but nothing a Super Bowl didn't fix. Personally, I am not Cowher fan and his brand of "Marty Ball", but if he really has learned the playoff game, though it certainly took a long time... I hope he sticks around.

Well, Ben Roethlisberger for one is a reason Cowher changed his style. Lets face it Ben is by far the best QB that Cowher has had. I also think Cowher trusted and listened to his coaching staff more this year. Not that Cowher didn't value his coaches input in the past. But it seems to me that this current group of coaches has more of role in the gameplan. To me thats the two reasons.

BBC
06-27-2006, 02:56 PM
Cowher never changed, he never got conservative during the playoffs. Go for it on 4th down on the first drive of the game? Suprise onside kick during a playoff game? These are things that Bill has always done during the playoffs. People just felt he got conservative because his teams couldn't execute once they had to play real football teams.

Black@Gold Forever32
06-27-2006, 02:58 PM
Cowher never changed, he never got conservative during the playoffs. Go for it on 4th down on the first drive of the game? Suprise onside kick during a playoff game? These are things that Bill has always done during the playoffs. People just felt he got conservative because his teams couldn't execute once they had to play real football teams.

I agree with and those are good points and facts thought you mentioned. But I never seen Cowher open up playoff games with the QB firing the ball all over the field like in the Colts game and in the AFC title game vs the Broncos. There is were I think Cowher changed some.

BBC
06-27-2006, 03:03 PM
I agree with and those are good points and facts thought you mentioned. But I never seen Cowher open up playoff games with the QB firing the ball all over the field like in the Colts game and in the AFC title game vs the Broncos. There is were I think Cowher changed some.

In Super Bowl XXX Neil O'Donnel had 49 pass attempts.

Black@Gold Forever32
06-27-2006, 03:10 PM
In Super Bowl XXX Neil O'Donnel had 49 pass attempts.

Ok, your right and I know O'Donnell had that many attempts. But it just seemed to me Cowher was more eager to open the game up with the pass in last years playoffs.

SteelerFanInCA
06-27-2006, 04:18 PM
I'm not sure if Cowher changed. I know if I were the coach and I had a QB like Ben I think it might make me think differently.

CowherLover
06-27-2006, 06:31 PM
I'm not sure if Cowher changed. I know if I were the coach and I had a QB like Ben I think it might make me think differently.
No mystery where I stand with our coach,by my screen name,lol. I don't think the changes in him are that drastic, as previously stated, it's definitely the players around him. The QUALITY players they have IMHO. He has stated in recent interviews that he doesn't feel the need to micr-manage every single thing around him because of the awesome staff. Everything has fallen into place and I hope and pray that he'll stick it out another 10 years. Wishful thinking I know!

clevestinks
06-28-2006, 04:11 AM
I agree with and those are good points and facts thought you mentioned. But I never seen Cowher open up playoff games with the QB firing the ball all over the field like in the Colts game and in the AFC title game vs the Broncos. There is were I think Cowher changed some.
This is so true, to want to go out and beat manning at his own game was priceless