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mesaSteeler
01-11-2012, 07:13 AM
Play that beat Steelers in Denver was legal

By Scott Brown
PITTSBURGH TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Wednesday, January 11, 2012

An NFL spokesman said the Denver Broncos did not use an illegal formation on the play Sunday that ended the Steelers' season.

A published report had questioned whether the Broncos had enough men on the line of scrimmage prior to Demaryius Thomas' 80-yard catch-and-run for a touchdown. But NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said the league already has reviewed the play and that officials were right in not penalizing the Broncos for illegal formation.

The Broncos' formation had been a non-issue with the Steelers even before the league said Denver did not commit a penalty on the final play of their 29-23 wild-card playoff victory.

"That's not going to give us the win and send us to New England," cornerback William Gay said when asked about the report. "They scored a touchdown, bottom line. Their receiver made a good play."

Steelers guard Trai Essex agreed with that assessment: "They still made a play, no matter what the formation."

Wide receiver Antonio Brown, like Gay and Essex, shrugged off questions about how the Broncos had lined up on what would be the only play of overtime.

"They still made a play no matter what the formation is," Brown said. "We still got beat."

Scott Brown can be reached at sbrown@tribweb.com or 412-481-5432.



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plenewken
01-11-2012, 09:11 AM
I know it's pointless and it didn't change the outcome but I would still like to know WHY the NFL officials say that the refs were right in not penalizing the Broncos.
Was the formation legal yes or no?

madtowndrunkard
01-11-2012, 09:24 AM
no it wasn't legal. I can see with my own eyes if they had 7 with in a yard of the LOS.

That said the players are correct in saying they lost because their coaches sucked about as bad as you could suck in a playoff game... oh wait they didnt' say that? Well they were thinking it. Just another of dozens of examples of how bad the NFL officiating is.

The NFL is destroying itself. Many large corporations have done this.... really I think it takes great leadership in a company to keep this from happening. Right now the NFL does not have good leadership. When the "employees" and the customers don't believe in the leadership or the direction the company is headed - then you are in trouble.

The league is allowing lawyers and the fear of litigation to mold the product into something the fans don't want. Add that fact to the "greed" culture that exists and you have a over produced, poorly officiated, arena league style of play, that is stopped every 120 seconds to fit in a commercial or official review.

Sit down and watch a great game from 10-20 years ago.....from start to finish. Then you will see why we all fell in love with the sport. What we are seeing now is garbage.

steelax04
01-11-2012, 09:31 AM
Here's Mike Pereira's explanation:
"Watch on any Sunday. This is a good formation compared to many. They are not technical with this,"

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_19706529

Bayz101
01-11-2012, 10:13 AM
They can say what they want, but i'm not seeing any explanations or proof that the play WAS legal. Either way, it's not like it would have mattered. Our secondary just didn't come ready to play. Denver wanted it more. The Steelers aren't crying over spilled milk, and I won't either.

theplatypus
01-11-2012, 10:17 AM
Quit crying over spilled milk.

The non fumble call against Ben and Wallace was far worse and more than likely would have meant that OT didn't even happen.

Curtain_of_Steel
01-11-2012, 10:27 AM
When did even become an issue?lol First I heard of it, was when this strand started.

I would agree on the non fumble call, that was a given 3 at least.

We have won our share of suspect calls in games, so arguing on a ref call or non call is not worth arguing

Whodis
01-11-2012, 11:34 AM
Quit crying over spilled milk.

The non fumble call against Ben and Wallace was far worse and more than likely would have meant that OT didn't even happen.

I agree... For the most part the bubble screen normally works!

Fire Arians
01-11-2012, 12:08 PM
no they cheated, god was on tebow's side so that was 12 men on the field! :P

Twentyvalve
01-11-2012, 12:11 PM
Well stated. I think commercialization is taking over. I bet many owners these days just happen to own teams, and they have money, and this is their hobby. They don't have a genuine interest in the team, or football, it is an ego and narcissism thing.

Additionally, when we watch the game, TV production and fluff are the order of the day. And, as we have recently experienced, rules and officiating seem to have more of an effect on the outcome of a game than the players themselves. And, guess who makes the rules?

So, what we have is professional sports league that does not place value in it's substance - the players. Kinda' like the .Com bubble years ago. That bubble will burst at some point.

Goodell should be on Undercover Boss. He would truly see how much he has affected the league in a negative way. My guess it does not matter what job he held his coworkers and employees would despise him. Imagine him at as a manager at McDonalds:

New rule today. Burgers must be flipped from left to right. I am not going to tell you if I mean my right or the customer's right. If I see it, you could get docked pay. If another manager sees it, and you are not called out on it, I will watch the security film, and render my decision. I do have a docked pay structure in place, but I won't tell you what that is. Also, you may be suspended from work if you are a "repeat offender."

What is Goodell's background anyway? I don't understand how the Union lets this happen.


no it wasn't legal. I can see with my own eyes if they had 7 with in a yard of the LOS.

That said the players are correct in saying they lost because their coaches sucked about as bad as you could suck in a playoff game... oh wait they didnt' say that? Well they were thinking it. Just another of dozens of examples of how bad the NFL officiating is.

The NFL is destroying itself. Many large corporations have done this.... really I think it takes great leadership in a company to keep this from happening. Right now the NFL does not have good leadership. When the "employees" and the customers don't believe in the leadership or the direction the company is headed - then you are in trouble.

The league is allowing lawyers and the fear of litigation to mold the product into something the fans don't want. Add that fact to the "greed" culture that exists and you have a over produced, poorly officiated, arena league style of play, that is stopped every 120 seconds to fit in a commercial or official review.

Sit down and watch a great game from 10-20 years ago.....from start to finish. Then you will see why we all fell in love with the sport. What we are seeing now is garbage.

TRH
01-11-2012, 01:33 PM
On this "legal or not" debate, i just have my doubts that this play gets through if it was on the other side of the ball. I have a feeling we get it called. We certainly have reason to think that at this point.
Do you honestly think Denver would be called for "leaping" ?

plenewken
01-11-2012, 02:38 PM
Quit crying over spilled milk.

The non fumble call against Ben and Wallace was far worse and more than likely would have meant that OT didn't even happen.

That's not the point, dude. We all know there are several missed calls in a game and in this one in particular. But here, the League says that there was no infraction when obviously there was one.
I'd like to know why they say the formation was legal, that's all. Not offering an explanation makes it look suspect.

GMU Steeler
01-11-2012, 02:40 PM
I am not gonna let this gnaw at me but I know this much that if the Steelers had did this same play with the same results, we'd be hearing whining about how the refs favor the Steelers and are paid off by them.

Yehoodi
01-11-2012, 02:47 PM
On this "legal or not" debate, i just have my doubts that this play gets through if it was on the other side of the ball. I have a feeling we get it called. We certainly have reason to think that at this point.
Do you honestly think Denver would be called for "leaping" ?

you do remember the "missed" call on the backward lateral, which if called correctly would have given the broncos the ball in the red zone and for all intents and purposes essentially put the game out of reach . . .

Danny136200
01-11-2012, 02:52 PM
It doesn't matter, Tebow has 316 yards, averaging 31.6 YPA. something bigger is at work here...

Kanata-Steeler
01-11-2012, 03:00 PM
The only play, that beat the Steelers, was us allowing our crippled Ben to play during/after the 49ers game...and THAT -should NOT have been "legal".
In other words, if Charlie Batch would have played, throughout, then WE would probably be goin' to NE.
But, let's face it, with ALL the OTHER injuries that the Steelers have forced upon themselves, since then, it's probably better that you guys (Broncos) go INSTEAD !
and ya, I mean that with a lotta respect. so, GL !
Now, stomp on those PayToilets will ya ?!
:)

plenewken
01-11-2012, 03:22 PM
you do remember the "missed" call on the backward lateral, which if called correctly would have given the broncos the ball in the red zone and for all intents and purposes essentially put the game out of reach . . .

No argument, dude. You won fair and square and deserved the W. I completely agree. The point remains that the League doesn't offer an explanation why this illegal formation is considered legal and this bothers me. If they consider that it's not a infraction, then take it off the rule book, that's all.

theplatypus
01-11-2012, 03:25 PM
That's not the point, dude. We all know there are several missed calls in a game and in this one in particular. But here, the League says that there was no infraction when obviously there was one.
I'd like to know why they say the formation was legal, that's all. Not offering an explanation makes it look suspect.

So now it's a conspiracy?

plenewken
01-11-2012, 03:40 PM
So now it's a conspiracy?

Strawman arguments don't work with me.

TRH
01-11-2012, 04:30 PM
No argument, dude. You won fair and square and deserved the W. I completely agree. The point remains that the League doesn't offer an explanation why this illegal formation is considered legal and this bothers me. If they consider that it's not a infraction, then take it off the rule book, that's all.


don't surprise me none. This league and Goodell's team has turned the NFL into such a unbelieveable dictatorship that they don't have to offer explanations..........for anything anymore. Whether its something thats in our favor or not and on other things that don't even pertain to us.
Just look at the new "helmet" hits and QB rule hits. On film, you continually have 2 plays, by different teams, that turn out exactly (and i mean identical) the same....yet you may have one flagged, one not, one suspended, another not...and on...and on...and on. And no explanations and if there are, its double-talk, vague statements that dont' make sense.

I still believe we deserved the loss..........but i'm not convinced we don't eat that call if we had the ball. On the other hand, the officiating is so bad this year, it wouldn't surprise me if they honestly just didn't know any better.

theplatypus
01-11-2012, 04:38 PM
Strawman arguments don't work with me.

It's no strawman argument it's a direct question. Do you think it's a conspiracy?

plenewken
01-11-2012, 04:48 PM
It's no strawman argument it's a direct question. Do you think it's a conspiracy?

I don't think it is. To me, it's more the demonstration that there are way too many rules in this game now, some of them making no sense whatsoever, and that the refs are in a much tougher position that before to enforce them.
When I see that a challenge and/or an official review can take up to 10mn of scrutiny under 3 different angles before the call is confirm or overturned, I can only shake my head and conclude that the game is turning into a travesty.

BleedPurple
01-11-2012, 05:07 PM
no it wasn't legal. I can see with my own eyes if they had 7 with in a yard of the LOS.

That said the players are correct in saying they lost because their coaches sucked about as bad as you could suck in a playoff game... oh wait they didnt' say that? Well they were thinking it. Just another of dozens of examples of how bad the NFL officiating is.

The NFL is destroying itself. Many large corporations have done this.... really I think it takes great leadership in a company to keep this from happening. Right now the NFL does not have good leadership. When the "employees" and the customers don't believe in the leadership or the direction the company is headed - then you are in trouble.

The league is allowing lawyers and the fear of litigation to mold the product into something the fans don't want. Add that fact to the "greed" culture that exists and you have a over produced, poorly officiated, arena league style of play, that is stopped every 120 seconds to fit in a commercial or official review.

Sit down and watch a great game from 10-20 years ago.....from start to finish. Then you will see why we all fell in love with the sport. What we are seeing now is garbage.

In trouble, are you joking? That Broncos/Steelers game was the most watched television program since . . . wait for it. . . the last Superbowl!

Yea they are really hurting :rolleyes: the audience is growing, it isn't some dwindling demographic who fell in love with some other game 20 years ago. Also, the league is not responding to prosecution, they are responding to the fact that all those players who made you love the game 20 years ago cannot stop themselves from pissing in their pants and can't remember their middle name.

TRH
01-12-2012, 01:31 AM
one more supremely annoying thing :
Don't you love the title of the article? "Was Tebow's heroic play illegal?"

Can someone, anyone, please tell me what was "heroic" about Tebow and that play????? Anyone?
Ridiculous.

Pentheon
01-12-2012, 07:27 PM
Im with the players...they still made a play simple as that see you next year

pete74
01-12-2012, 07:55 PM
i cant belive you guys are still talking about this. you made fun of the Seahawk fans for making excuses now some of you are doing it. who cares if one player was lined up a foot past the line. we got burnt and lost